If i happen to kill somebody and i become born again, is there any need of telling the family what i have done to their child. Pls ur suggestion can help

The Bible does not make restitution a condition precedent for forgiveness. Restitution only comes it where and when it is necessary. And that is on a case by case basis. For example a son who was deliquent and had caused so much pain to his family may need to do some restitution after he gets born again

Whose child did you kill?

Restitution is part of genuine repentance towards God and man!
If you are an ex-cultist or witch that killed people whose grieving families are still in pains and u just say your prayer of salvation then boom you think you are now Born again ....! no sir... you're not
Until you confess to the victims families and get their approval or forgiveness before you can boldly say you are born again indeed

Guiltless Conscience town God and man backup with water baptism is what born again means
You can't be driving the Car you stole after killing the owner to Church or anywhere and you claim you are now in Christ Jesus..... No sir...

If you wrong your fellow man, ask for his forgiveness...
Only then will your God forgive you.

Note:
You must have to pay for your sins.
If you murdered someone, the law must have its course. Every other thing is between you and your God.
That you have asked God for forgiveness or even the deceased family members doesn't mean you shouldn't be punished.
You must be punished...even as a born again. You must pay for it

TooMuchStuff:
Restitution is part of genuine repentance towards God and man!
If you are an ex-cultist or witch that killed people whose grieving families are still in pains and u just say your prayer of salvation then boom you think you are now Born again ....! no sir... you're not
Until you confess to the victims families and get their approval or forgiveness before you can boldly say you are born again indeed

Guiltless Conscience town God and man backup with water baptism is what born again means

Wrong. Very wrong. If restitution is a condition or additional condition for your salvation then Christ died in vain. The price Christ paid is perfect, complete and enough to save the worst of sinners. Any other action you believe you must take in order to be ‘fully’ saved indicates that you do not have faith in Christ.

I don't know ohhh

Missyajoke:
I don't know ohhh

If a pastor doesn't know how can ordinary people know?

Galactico4ever:
If a pastor doesn't know how can ordinary people know?

Have not eaten that's the reason why I can't provide an answer. Happy sunday .
How was service today.

Missyajoke:


Have not eaten that's the reason why I can't provide an answer. Happy sunday .
How was service today.

Please go and eat oh,we need your strength to always be at a 100%
Service was Spirit filled, thanks for asking.

Galactico4ever:
Please go and eat oh,we need your strength to always be at a 100%
Service was Spirit filled, thanks for asking.

Have a wonderful Sunday. Let me go and eat. Nice hearing from you again.

chelsea04:
If i happen to kill somebody and i become born again, is there any need of telling the family what i have done to their child. Pls ur suggestion can help

Restitution is a biblical concept; it is to be a result of our salvation—it is not a requirement for salvation. There are passages in both Old and New Testaments that reveal the mind of God on this subject. In the Old Testament, the Israelites were under the Law, which specified restitution in a variety of circumstances: “If a man steals an ox or a sheep and slaughters it or sells it, he must pay back five head of cattle for the ox and four sheep for the sheep. . . . A thief must certainly make restitution, but if he has nothing, he must be sold to pay for his theft. If the stolen animal is found alive in his possession—whether ox or donkey or sheep—he must pay back double. If a man grazes his livestock in a field or vineyard and lets them stray and they graze in another man’s field, he must make restitution from the best of his own field or vineyard. If a fire breaks out and spreads into thornbushes so that it burns shocks of grain or standing grain or the whole field, the one who started the fire must make restitution. . . If a man borrows an animal from his neighbor and it is injured or dies . . . he must make restitution” (Exodus 22:1, 3-6, 14).

Leviticus 6:2-5 covers other situations in which the stolen property is restored, plus one fifth of the value. Also of note in this passage, the restitution was made to the owner of the property (not to the government or any other third party), and the compensation was to be accompanied by a guilt offering to the Lord. The Mosaic Law, then, protected victims of theft, extortion, fraud, and negligence by requiring the offending parties to make restitution. The amount of remuneration varied anywhere from 100 to 500 percent of the loss. The restitution was to be made on the same day that the guilty one brought his sacrifice before the Lord, which implies that making amends with one’s neighbor is just as important as making peace with God.

In the New Testament, we have the wonderful example of Zacchaeus in Luke 19. Jesus is visiting Zacchaeus’s home, and the people who know the chief publican to be a wicked and oppressive man are beginning to murmur about His associating with a sinner (verse 7). “But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, ‘Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost’” (verses 8-10). From Zacchaeus’s words, we gather that:

1) he had been guilty of defrauding people,
2) he was remorseful over his past actions, and
3) he was committed to making restitution.

From Jesus’ words, we understand that:

1) Zacchaeus was saved that day and his sin was forgiven, and
2) the evidence of his salvation was both his public confession (see Romans 10:10) and his relinquishing of all ill-gotten gains.

Zacchaeus repented, and his sincerity was evident in his immediate desire to make restitution. Here was a man who was penitent and contrite, and the proof of his conversion to Christ was his resolve to atone, as much as possible, for past sins.

The same holds true for anyone who truly knows Christ today. Genuine repentance leads to a desire to redress wrongs. When someone becomes a Christian, he will have a desire born of deep conviction to do good, and that includes making restoration whenever possible. The idea of “whenever possible” is crucially important to remember. There are some crimes and sins for which there is no adequate restitution. In such instances, a Christian should make some form of restitution that demonstrates repentance, but at the same time, does not need to feel guilty about the inability to make full restitution. Restitution is to be a result of our salvation—it is not a requirement for salvation. If you have received forgiveness of sins through faith in Jesus Christ, all of your sins are forgiven, whether or not you have been able to make restitution for them.

https://www.gotquestions.org/restitution-Bible.html

2 Corinthians 5:19, 21: God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, .., He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Jiggaz.

cicero:


Wrong. Very wrong. If restitution is a condition or additional condition for your salvation then Christ died in vain. The price Christ paid is perfect, complete and enough to save the worst of sinners. Any other action you believe you must take in order to be ‘fully’ saved indicates that you do not have faith in Christ.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

This is how the cage people in fewr and everlasting bondage.

How many can you remember to restitute?

Lean on the finished works of Christ. Grace and mercy works.

Brachaa:




You took the words right out of my mouth.

This is how the cage people in fewr and everlasting bondage.

How many can you remember to restitute?

Lean on the finished works of Christ. Grace and mercy works.

Yes, many (so-called) churches use their doctrine of restitution to hold many in everlasting bondage. When we are saved, Christ takes the place and punishment for our old man: the old man sinned, it’s Christ that restitutes. Jacob was a man who thought he could restitute towards his brother; he didn’t know that God has given his brother, Esau, all the things Esau thought he had lost- there was no need for his restitution- El-shaddai paid it all. The doctrine taught today asserts that Christ cannot do exceedingly, and abundantly above all that we think. It is unfortunate.

Acehart:


Yes, many (so-called) churches use their doctrine of restitution to hold many in everlasting bondage. When we are saved, Christ takes the place and punishment for our old man: the old man sinned, it’s Christ that restitutes. Jacob was a man who thought he could restitute towards his brother; he didn’t know that God has given his brother, Esau, all the things Esau thought he had lost- there was no need for his restitution- El-shaddai paid it all. The doctrine taught today asserts that Christ cannot do exceedingly, and abundantly above all that we think. It is unfortunate.

Exactly.

Brachaa:
Jiggaz.

Christ Jesus' finished work is enough... The price He paid on the Cross is completely complete.

@OP Your faith in His finished work is what saves you and nothing else. If you're trying to restitute so you can score merits with God, then you're doing a dead work. But if you're doing it out of a grateful heart that Christ has forgiven all your sins, then you can go ahead and it's your personal business. But bear in mind that your salvation is solely because of your faith in the finished work of Christ, nothing more. Restitution is not a condition for our salvation.

jiggaz:
Christ Jesus' finished work is enough... The price He paid on the Cross is completely complete.

@OP Your faith in His finished work is what saves you and nothing else. If you're trying to restitute so you can score merits with God, then you're doing a dead work. But if you're doing it out of a grateful heart that Christ has forgiven all your sins, then you can go ahead and it's your personal business. But bear in mind that your salvation is solely because of your faith in the finished work of Christ, nothing more. Restitution is not a condition for our salvation.

God bless you Sir.

Brachaa:



God bless you Sir.

Thank you bro.

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chelsea04:
If i happen to kill somebody and i become born again, is there any need of telling the family what i have done to their child. Pls ur suggestion can help

Yes, there is absolutely a need.
Not only will the family have closure of some sort, but the perpetrator will also release the guilt & burden of holding in that info.
If you have surrendered to Jesus Christ, then you are a new creature and are forgiven by Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 John 1:9 (KJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

However, something as gargantuan as the sin committed above needs to be addressed.
Do you know something else?
By confessing to the family may mean that you may have to go to trial or be imprisoned for a lengthy amount of time.
However, if you are born-again and continue to live a holy life unto the Lord, then even if you have to deal with the consequences of your actions, your salvation is set & sealed.
Restitution is very important in as much as it needs to happen.
It is the correct thing to do as a follower of Christ who is repentant.

chelsea04:
If i happen to kill somebody and i become born again, is there any need of telling the family what i have done to their child. Pls ur suggestion can help

It is very clear OP asked about the case of 1st degree murder. And OP is in Nigeria where capital punishment is very active. This is why he has put it this way. But I guess most comments above did not put this information into consideration.

Eviana:


Yes, there is absolutely a need.
Not only will the family have closure of some sort, but the perpetrator will also release the guilt & burden of holding in that info.
If you have surrendered to Jesus Christ, then you are a new creature and are forgiven by Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 John 1:9 (KJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

What I found not correct is using the word absolutely. Perhaps you had used "may" you might have made more sense. You are saying that restitution is a sure ticket to forgiveness. Is it? This is what absolutely means here. So, from here, I can deduce you meant a new creature in Christ must do it. Since you mentioned Jesus, where in the Bible did Jesus declare it is absolutely necessary?

However, something as gargantuan as the sin committed above needs to be addressed.
Do you know something else?
By confessing to the family may mean that you may have to go to trial or be imprisoned for a lengthy amount of time.
However, if you are born-again and continue to live a holy life unto the Lord, then even if you have to deal with the consequences of your actions, your salvation is set & sealed.
Restitution is very important in as much as it needs to happen.
It is the correct thing to do as a follower of Christ who is repentant.

Exactly why I am so interested in your comment. You have just considered imprisonment as the consequence of the law he broke, but what if it is capital punishment? I have a question, what if the person lived in a country where capital punishment is valid. Let's say in some states in the US. Better still we say in Saudi Arabia or Iran or in Nigeria where it is 100% sure he is paying with his blood. Do you still maintain your stand? He knows surely he is going to be hung, would you still recommend it? Would you still say it is absolutely necessary?

Also, you are saying his salvation is sealed with restitution. Really? Are you saying Jesus is not enough to seal our salvation? John 3:16 is about Salvation. For God loves the world, He gave his son, who believes him should have salvation (not perish but have eternal life). I don"t think I read restitution added to the criteria of salvation.

Are you saying not until he makes restitution even with his blood then, he cannot get salvation. This is what you are saying here. That the blood of Jesus is not enough, but the blood of the man via restitution will seal his faith. Lol. Hope you get me.

I agree that guilty conscience is a terrible thing which can mess one up and restitution may be needed to straighten ones up mentally and emotionally. In this case, do you think guilty conscience can come in immediately when the person needs to battle with his life? Do you think he will even think of sealing his so called salvation with restitution? Is restitution absolutely necessary?

Ok. Now that you have seen the above new scenario and you know that not all cases will lead to just jail term, but some will lead to paying with his blood, would you still say restitution is absolutely necessary to seal our salvation?

PeaceLoveJoy:

It is very clear OP asked about the case of 1st degree murder. And OP is in Nigeria where capital punishment is very active. This is why he has put it this way. But I guess most comments above did not put this information into consideration.


What I found not correct is using the word absolutely. Perhaps you had used "may" you might have made more sense. You are saying that restitution is a sure ticket to forgiveness. Is it? This is what absolutely means here. So, from here, I can deduce you meant a new creature in Christ must do it. Since you mentioned Jesus, where in the Bible did Jesus declare it is absolutely necessary?



Exactly why I am so interested in your comment. You have just considered imprisonment as the consequence of the law he broke, but what if it is capital punishment? I have a question, what if the person lived in a country where capital punishment is valid. Let's say in some states in the US. Better still we say in Saudi Arabia or Iran or in Nigeria where it is 100% sure he is paying with his blood. Do you still maintain your stand? He knows surely he is going to be hung, would you still recommend it? Would you still say it is absolutely necessary?


Also, you are saying his salvation is sealed with restitution. Really? Are you saying Jesus is not enough to seal our salvation? John 3:16 is about Salvation. For God loves the world, He gave his son, who believes him should have salvation (not perish but have eternal life). I don"t think I read restitution added to the criteria of salvation.
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Are you saying not until he makes restitution even with his blood then, he cannot get salvation. This is what you are saying here. That the blood of Jesus is not enough, but the blood of the man via restitution will seal his faith. Lol. Hope you get me.

I agree that guilty conscience is a terrible thing which can mess one up and restitution may be needed to straighten ones up mentally and emotionally. In this case, do you think guilty conscience can come in immediately when the person needs to battle with his life? Do you think he will even think of sealing his so called salvation with restitution? Is restitution absolutely necessary?

Ok. Now that you have seen the above new scenario and you know that not all cases will lead to just jail term, but some will lead to paying with his blood, would you still say restitution is absolutely necessary to seal our salvation?

Ok, I thought I was clear with my comment sir, but I will gladly & kindly clarify a few things.
Let me see if I can sum up what you're asking and stating.
I agree that I should change the word "absolutely" to "may".
Ultimately if the person belongs to Jesus, then he/she would ultimately pray for practical wisdom.
I cannot make a decision nor force anyone to do anything.
What I know is that to people "born-again", there is given a mighty important help in the form of the Holy Spirit which speaks to one's spirit through the Word of God.
I would think that this question has been on the mind of many people the world over in the exact same position.
Salvation to a born-again believer is not dependant upon offering restitution.
I hope folks didn't interpret that from my post.
Spiritually, as long as a person has confessed to God, is repentant and strives to leave a holy life pleasing to God, then his/her salvation is sealed. He/she has accepted the gift of salvation....
That was what I tried to convey.

In this earthly realm that we, humans, live our lives in come with free-will.
Meaning we make choices.
There are laws or at least should be that govern our lives.
If a crime is committed, and a person is found guilty (assuming that it's based on untampered, unbiased evidence etc.--which much could be said about that), then the laws says that restitution should be made...be it imprisonment, house arrest, community service or even the death penalty.
Having to deal with consequences of one's actions (if genuinely born-again) has "0" to do with the pardon, forgiveness and eternal life that God has bestowed to the person.
Even if crimes committed, happened before being born-again, there should be a desire to make restitution...even at the sacrifice of one's own comfort and security. Even at the risk of death...which although may mean a born- again is no longer alive, he/she has gained eternity.
Again I stress that anyone in this predicament would need to prayerfully go to the Lord for wisdom on what to "do" or "not" do.
Christianity should be a religion of relationship......relationship with God and relationship with fellow human beings.
Relationship that causes born-agains to have empathy, love, joy that is practically expressed.
There is a hope that we, Christians have through genuine faith in the Lord, that is worth risking our lives for others to experience it...even if death is the result.
I have a thread coming soon enough on that...which will address that.
I hope that cleared up a few things.

Eviana:



Ok, I thought I was clear with my comment sir, but I will gladly & kindly clarify a few things.
Let me see if I can sum up what you're asking and stating.
I agree that I should change the word "absolutely" to "may".
Ultimately if the person belongs to Jesus, then he/she would ultimately pray for practical wisdom.
I cannot make a decision nor force anyone to do anything.
What I know is that to people "born-again", there is given a mighty important help in the form of the Holy Spirit which speaks to one's spirit through the Word of God.
I would think that this question has been on the mind of many people the world over in the exact same position.
Salvation to a born-again believer is not dependant upon offering restitution.
I hope folks didn't interpret that from my post.
Spiritually, as long as a person has confessed to God, is repentant and strives to leave a holy life pleasing to God, then his/her salvation is sealed. He/she has accepted the gift of salvation....
That was what I tried to convey.

In this earthly realm that we, humans, live our lives in come with free-will.
Meaning we make choices.
There are laws or at least should be that govern our lives.
If a crime is committed, and a person is found guilty (assuming that it's based on untampered, unbiased evidence etc.--which much could be said about that), then the laws says that restitution should be made...be it imprisonment, house arrest, community service or even the death penalty.
Having to deal with consequences of one's actions (if genuinely born-again) has "0" to do with the pardon, forgiveness and eternal life that God has bestowed to the person.
Even if crimes committed, happened before being born-again, there should be a desire to make restitution... even at the sacrifice of one's own comfort and security. Even at the risk of death...which although may mean a born- again is no longer alive, he/she has gained eternity.
Again I stress that anyone in this predicament would need to prayerfully go to the Lord for wisdom on what to "do" or "not" do.
Christianity should be a religion of relationship......relationship with God and relationship with fellow human beings.
Relationship that causes born-agains to have empathy, love, joy that is practically expressed.
There is a hope that we, Christians have through genuine faith in the Lord, that is worth risking our lives for others to experience it...even if death is the result.
I have a thread coming soon enough on that...which will address that.
I hope that cleared up a few things.

I cannot say it better. Beautifully written. In fact, this piece is the 100% truth. I have nothing to add.

To show you how happy I am when I read truths, hmmm... Now, I know you, and I am genuinely interested and willing to know you more. You can contact me. Feel free.

Eviana
Brethren, this is my own point of view, righteousness is classified. We have righteousness of the flesh or self which is done with ur own human wisdom and knowledge not according to the spirit leadership and righteousness of the spirit which is according to the spirit leadership, for u to do restitution, is self righteousness not what jesus say u should do. The word of God is not on way.

chelsea04:
Eviana
Brethren, this is my own point of view, righteousness is classified. We have righteousness of the flesh or self which is done with ur own human wisdom and knowledge not according to the spirit leadership and righteousness of the spirit which is according to the spirit leadership, for u to do restitution, is self righteousness not what jesus say u should do . The word of God is not on way.

Hmmmm!
From your statement, you are saying that for anyone to do restitution, it is self righteous. And you had defined self righteous as an act of our own human wisdom. Hmmmm. Very deep.

Now let me ask you 2 question sirs. By the way, I hope I can because it is Eviana you addressed. Lol. Anyway, let me ask. You know there is possibility of guilt to occur. And conscience can trap the person into a very deep state. Let me borrow Eviana's words:

Eviana:

.......
Not only will the family have closure of some sort, but the perpetrator will also release the guilt & burden of holding in that info.
........

The key phrase here is "the guilt and burden". And they can lead to depression. Here is my question.

1. Would you say this guilt and burden are self righteous? As in would you say self righteous created the guilt? Are you saying the depression is self righteous?

2. Can ONLY believing in GOD and having faith in Him heal this depression caused by the guilt? I mean can ONLY God's righteousness alone in the victim's life address the guilt?

@ peacejoy.
Very good question. We say knowledge is power to overcome sin or any challenge, what do u think, u can give in exchange for ur soul or that persons soul. Remember old testament, how the law was, can u state the judgement for killing, jesus manifested to simplify everything that trough him we can see the kingdom but not enter. jn 3v3. Pls note: for u to be forgiven dose not mean it is done and dusted if not, paul wouldn't have suffered like that, but note; that all the souls he slain, he preached and gave men life tro evangelism and men became born again through him. To this because zacceus returned tings he extorted, does not mean it is a doctrine, if truely jesus is in u, u must learn to acknowlegde him befor u move or do anytin.

chelsea04:
@ peacejoy.
Very good question. We say knowledge is power to overcome sin or any challenge, what do u think, u can give in exchange for ur soul or that persons soul. Remember old testament, how the law was, can u state the judgement for killing, jesus manifested to simplify everything that trough him we can see the kingdom but not enter. jn 3v3. Pls note: for u to be forgiven dose not mean it is done and dusted if not, paul wouldn't have suffered like that, but note; that all the souls he slain, he preached and gave men life tro evangelism and men became born again through him. To this because zacceus returned tings he extorted, does not mean it is a doctrine, if truely jesus is in u, u must learn to acknowlegde him befor u move or do anytin.

Oga, my questions are direct which require yes or no before you explain. What you did is to write around them. You have not answered either. Again:

1. Would you say this guilt and burden are self righteous? As in would you say self righteous created the guilt? Are you saying the depression is self righteous?

2. Can ONLY believing in GOD and having faith in Him heal this depression caused by the guilt? I mean can ONLY God's righteousness alone in the victim's life address the guilt?

Answer each question above separately. Start with yes or no for each of them. Then you can elaborate more why you say yes or no for each. Do not mix them up. I didn't even understand your response above.

Take note. Number 1 question is not solution. It has to do with the cause. Number 2 has something to do with the solution.

Note: I am not trying to convince you. I have just presented two scenarios and I am trying to understand your approach. My approach may be different from yours. So, please, go over them again and answer the question. Then, you can explain further if you like. Answer 1, 2 separately.


Expecting sincere responses.

If an Israelite kill another Israelite and repented, what does the law covenant demands?
God's standard is the same only that the first and second covenant came with different settings.
So if you're able to figure out what God requires of a killer who wasn't caught in the old covenant it will guide your perception on what a killer who wasn't caught in the new covenant ought to do!

chelsea04:
If i happen to kill somebody and i become born again, is there any need of telling the family what i have done to their child. Pls ur suggestion can help

MaxInDHouse:
If an Israelite kill another Israelite and repented, what does the law covenant demands?
God's standard [/u]is the same only that the first and second covenant came with [u] different settings.
So if you're able to figure out what God requires of a killer who wasn't caught in the old covenant it will guide your perception on what a killer who wasn't caught in the new covenant ought to do!

Look at the underlined words or phrases. Answer the following questions:

1. What is a standard?
2. What is a setting?
3. Is it possible for settings to change without interference with the standard? Hmmmm. Think deeply cos more questions may land on you laps.

The law and covenant. Really, I am not sure of JW's position on the old law and the new law. Well, one thing I really try to figure out is how you are so bold and so sure that you know the inside of GOD. But you seem not to answer some questions I asked you in another thread. My brother, your points will be very valid only if you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the old laws are still relevant and they need to be upheld in the modern days. You will then state the standard and explain. And you explain how the settings are different from the standard of God.

Bro, please, dig deeper. Explain further. Explain explicitly. I can change my position if you are able to convince us.

It seems this OP is saying there is no need for restitution and it is self righteousness, while it seems you are saying that it is the standard of God as it is writing in some portion of the Bible. It seems you are directly opposing him. I have asked OP some questions which he avoided. And I have thrown them back to him to answer them accordingly.

Here is a better approach. You will argue your case by not necessarily laying emphasis on restitution first, but by going deep into the difference btw standard and setting. And the convince us beyond reason doubts that the laws of the old testament are applicable to new testament. If you do this well, then, we will now look into restitution and see how its setting is different, and how the standard is the same with God.

Bro, do not just say it. Dont just argue it. Dont just yell it. Dont just keep repeating your truth. Defend it. Analysed it. Explain it. Prove it. Show us.

Ride on sir.

I'm sorry my comments are directed to the OP, if you're fully satisfied with what you know please go out there to PREACH and TEACH what you know in your neighbourhood.
I'm OK with what i know and i don't entertain arguments of any kind, my interest is the OP, let him engage me if he finds something of interest in my post.
Thanks for your understanding!

PeaceLoveJoy:

Look at the underlined words or phrases. Answer the following questions:

1. What is a standard?
2. What is a setting?
3. Is it possible for settings to change without interference with the standard? Hmmmm. Think deeply cos more questions may land on you laps.

The law and covenant. Really, I am not sure of JW's position on the old law and the new law. Well, one thing I really try to figure out is how you are so bold and so sure that you know the inside of GOD. But you seem not to answer some questions I asked you in another thread. My brother, your points will be very valid only if you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the old laws are still relevant and they need to be upheld in the modern days. You will then state the standard and explain. And you explain how the settings are different from the standard of God.

Bro, please, dig deeper. Explain further. Explain explicitly. I can change my position if you are able to convince us.

It seems this OP is saying there is no need for restitution and it is self righteousness, while it seems you are saying that it is the standard of God as it is writing in some portion of the Bible. It seems you are directly opposing him. I have asked OP some questions which he avoided. And I have thrown them back to him to answer them accordingly.

Here is a better approach. You will argue your case by not necessarily laying emphasis on restitution first, but by going deep into the difference btw standard and setting. And the convince us beyond reason doubts that the laws of the old testament are applicable to new testament. If you do this well, then, we will now look into restitution and see how its setting is different, and how the standard is the same with God.

Bro, do not just say it. Dont just argue it. Dont just yell it. Dont just keep repeating your truth. Defend it. Analysed it. Explain it. Prove it. Show us.

Ride on sir.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sorry my comments are directed to the OP, if you're fully satisfied with what you know please go out there to PREACH and TEACH what you know in your neighbourhood.
I'm OK with what i know and i don't entertain arguments of any kind, my interest is the OP, let him engage me if he finds something of interest in my post.
Thanks for your understanding!

I respect your response, but you should understand you are posting on a public forum.

Your Truth: It is the OP you are responding to and replying.

The Fact and The Real Truth: Yes, you mentioned OP, but you are on a platform addressing many readers. Therefore, I am qualified to address the issues you have pushed down to the OP just like anyone here. You have the right to answer me or not.

Question: Is your truth above the fact and the real truth above. No, they are not the same. Your truth above is false. It may be the real truth in some cases, but in this case, it is not.

Analysis: Just like your truth is false here, it can be false in many other real scenarios. So, it is always necessary to process your points beyond reasonable doubts so that it makes sense logically to the general public. If you know it will not make sense, you excuse yourself, or you make your point and walk away. You do not need to choke down your truth on many. The truth is that you are addressing many readers who are on this site now, and many who will many years to come. This is going to be an archive. It is our duty to preserve the real truth and not your truth. If your truth is the real truth, it will be upheld. If not, we will over rule it.

While you reserve the right to your truth, my concern is that the real truth should be revealed, and readers should take their positions. Not you force your truth down the throat of readers.

I asked you to explain explicitly, and not argue. I pushed questions to you. If you dont want to answer them, fine, I can not force you to. And the last time I check, I did not ask you irrelevant questions. They are questions related directedly to the subject of discussion because you brought in the law, the standard of God, and the settings. Also, you did not caution me or anyone that it is not related to the subject. If I had had the cauton made known, I would not have put these questions forward.

Well, thanks for your truth. I hope readers understand my point of view. Many times they make claims, but cannot explain why. And they tell you to just believe. Believe what? How? How possible?

Best of luck!