DappaD:

The issue is not whether the sons of Ishmael were mentioned in the Bible. Can you explain what Jeremiah was talking about there? — that's the question.

Do you agree that by mentioning one's name, you want that person's attention? Or you are drawing attention to someone?

That said, what Jeremaiah was saying in Jer 2:7-13 is so clear. The Tribe of Kedar: Ishmael's fourth son will do away with ALL Their graven images which were not god and embrace the True Faith and worship the True God. Jeremaiah says no Nation as ever done it except at the "Tent of Kedar". And while they are doing it, His "people" will go after what doesn't profit.

I quoted this to show Blind Maximus69 that the Arabs are not perpetual idolaters as posted. In the words of Jeremaiah "consider diligently"

DappaD:


I'm sorry but you lost me @ the bolded words. The idea that there's a spirit living in man is a miscontrued meaning of Genesis 2:7
Genesis 2:7 made it clear that Jehovah God formed man from dust(body) and blew into his nostrils breath of life(impersonal life force). It was only when these two were joined together that a living human being came about. When God created Adam, he didn't put any already existing spirit being inside him. Get your facts right chief.

Bros you don't like reading and researching. Like I said there's nothing I can learn from you like this.
Adam and Eve had perfect bodies. But they were only subject to destruction when they sinned. If God had made Adam and Eve immortal from the start, death wouldn't have had any effect on them whether they obey or disobey God. That's why I said the angels in heaven aren't immortals as well. Satan is a spirit, as well as the demons — they are not immortal. They are subject to destruction. Which will happen after the Thousand Year Rule of Christ (Matthew 25:41,46, Hebrews 9:14, Revelation 20:10)
If Satan (before he turned against God) was made immortal from start, there's nothing God can do about Satan again and that would mean we're all in soup. But as it were Satan has a perfect body, something that Adam and Eve had. And as such, Satan is subject to destruction too.

I think Maximus69 did justice to the remaining part of your comments.

OH Lord!. What a falsehood!.

Who misconstrued the meaning of Genesis 2:7?.you or the Bible's?.

* When Jesus was about to die in the cross, He said, Father into your hands I commit my spirit, so you're telling me that what he committed into God's hands is mere breath, the one you call life force?, can you guys be open and objective in your believes, when it doesn't go your way, it's either you twist it or it's not the true meaning, or some men altered it.

Explain this to me

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.


When God made this statement to Moses in the burning bush, these men where all dead and buried long time before Moses's encounter. Tell me why Jesus will say they're living, to warrant that statement?. If there bodies were buried, how come Jesus refferd to them as living?. Is this living part of them 'mere breath' or life force too'? as you're claiming?.


That your statement about perfect body and immortality is to me an insult to God. So the one who can make the body immortal cannot reverse it to mortality?. What are you talking about?. It then means there's something that God after doing, creating, can not reverse, or put it this way, he's limited.

Angel's are immortal because they are spirits, they don't die. The only person who can destroy that ability is God, likewise the soul of man. Spirit don't die like the flesh does. You say I don't do research, but with all the research you've done, you're clearly against the Bible. The immortality of spirits angels inclusive comes from God, and it's dependent on God. Only God himself has immortality in Himself, everyone else draws it from him. But to say angels are mortals is wrong. If that be the case, tell me their age limit?.

Have you not read Jesus saying, do not be afraid of the one who can kill the body but after that will have no power again, but be afraid of the one (God) who can kill both the body and the soul in hell?. Now I ask you again, do you destroy a life force or the breath like this as Jesus said it if it wasn't an entity of its own?.

Finally, you haven't answered my question.

Here it is again: You said Jesus spiritually, and as such manifested in different forms other than physical body/flesh.

My question is, where went the body of Jesus buried in the tomb after his resurrection, and why was the spirit of Jesus as you called it, touchable by human beings, and having scars and marks exactly where he had them in the flesh upon His crucifixion?. Please tell me this, so that we can know whether Jesus physically or spiritually. If he did rise spiritually, then we should see his body!.

Please tell me what happened as you've done a lot of research. Thank you.

Lukuluku69:


Do you agree that by mentioning one's name, you want that person's attention? Or you are drawing attention to someone?

That said, what Jeremaiah was saying in Jer 2:7-13 is so clear. The Tribe of Kedar: Ishmael's fourth son will do away with ALL Their graven images which were not god and embrace the True Faith and worship the True God. Jeremaiah says no Nation as ever done it except at the "Tent of Kedar". And while they are doing it, His "people" will go after what doesn't profit.

I quoted this to show Blind Maximus69 that the Arabs are not perpetual idolaters as posted. In the words of Jeremaiah "consider diligently"

Was Kedar the only tribe mentioned at Jeremiah 2:10?

Okay... Since you want to be ignoring context, Oya what did Isaiah say regarding this your Kedah at Isaiah 21:16,17 ?
Please read out loud
I know you'll come and say that verse was manipulated now

DappaD:


Was Kedar the only tribe mentioned at Jeremiah 2:10?

Okay... Since you want to be ignoring context, Oya what did Isaiah say regarding this your Kedah at Isaiah 21:16,17 ?
Please read out loud
I know you'll come and say that verse was manipulated now

I have an handicap! Can't copy and paste nor quote any Scripture for now. Had it been I can, by God you won't say any word of abuse you have been posting.

Be kind enough to post it here and I will give you the interpretation in the light of the Cold hard fact of History.

Be kind enough. Oya Isaiah 21:16-17.

DappaD:


Was Kedar the only tribe mentioned at Jeremiah 2:10?

Okay... Since you want to be ignoring context, Oya what did Isaiah say regarding this your Kedah at Isaiah 21:16,17 ?
Please read out loud
I know you'll come and say that verse was manipulated now

And please do offer The Watchtower interpretation of Jeremaiah 2:7-13 too.

Thanking you as you do.

Maximus69:


Jesus was referring to the Temple worship not his physical body!

Before and during the ministry of Jesus that is the only place where pure worship is offered to God {John 4: 20-22} so at Jesus death a new covenant was sealed {Jeremiah 31:31-34} that's why the large curtain dividing the holy and the most holy was miraculously turn apart {Matthew 27:51} within those three consecutive days, there was no place on this planet where pure worship could be rendered until Jesus' resurrection!
So whoever wants to worship God acceptably from that time on must do so in the spiritual Temple which is amongst the Christians in Jesus name {Act 2:29-38} the Jerusalem Temple became useless because worshipers can't receive the holy spirit which has been promised as a GIFT to identify those practicing pure worship when the Christ comes {Joel 2:28; Act 2:18} that's the Temple Jesus was referring to not physical body, Apostle Paul confirmed this in his letter! Ephesians 4:12

So when Jesus said he will demolished the old Temple and raised it in three days, he meant the symbol of pure worship which is the physical Temple in Jerusalem will be demolished spiritually speaking within those three days of his death so that whoever wants to worship the God of Israel must turn to the new spiritual Temple (Christ)! John 2:24

God bless you!

Can you please stop twisting the scriptures?. You see the truth but reject it, only looking for what to use and confuse people. Stop picking single verses and generalizing it as the meaning of things. Read the whole chapter or even chapters and get the context.

That same John chapter 2 you quoted, go back and read it from verse 18, then come back and repeat what you just gave me as the meaning of what Jesus meant. For the benefit of others, see it here.

John 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Did you see verses 19 to 22, carefully look at verses 21 & 22 did you read these verses first before you singled out just verse 24?. The Bible tells you what Jesus meant, but you rejected that one, instead you started doing Bible chemistry, is it good?.

The truth is open for you to see, that Jesus talked about His body and not the temple of worship.


I will also ask you this. You say Jesus did not rise physically, but spiritually, if that be the case, where went His body, the one that was buried in the tomb, how come it disappeared after his spirit resurrected?. And how is it that human beings could touch his spirit, see wounds and bruises on the spirit body, and this spirit also ate with them bread and fish?. Please kindly let me know where the flesh/body of Jesus went after just three days in the tomb. Please don't tell me it decayed away. Thank you.

Lukuluku69:


I have an handicap! Can't copy and paste nor quote any Scripture for now. Had it been I can, by God you won't say any word of abuse you have been posting.

Be kind enough to post it here and I will give you the interpretation in the light of the Cold hard fact of History.

Be kind enough. Oya Isaiah 21:16-17.

Read it out loud nah
What does Isaiah 21:16,17 say concerning Kedar?
See wahala oo

DappaD:



Read it out loud nah
What does Isaiah 21:16,17 say concerning Kedar?
See wahala oo

The Verses were not tampered with! The problem is this: you left Verses 1 thru 15 and ask me about 16 and 17. I know JW do this a lot!

The Chapter starts with a certain burden on a Desert of Sea. Move on to watchmen on the look out for someone and Babylon falling with her idols. Then the watchmen saw some horse rider, A Chariot of Ass or Rider upon an Ass and a Chariot of Camel or a Rider upon a Camel. I will tell you the mystery of the Riders. Then Verse 13 mentioned "the burden upon Arabia!

Also note that "Dedan(im) and Tema" Are ISHMAEL SONS NAMES!

Tema and Dedan were Ishmael sons name who descendants settled in Tema and Dedanim just like Judah. They were the Tribe that housed Prophet Muhammad when Kedar the chief tribe were attacking the Prophet! They brought water to him that fled!
And the glory of kedar that failed was when Kedar (the Meccan Pagans were defeated)
Babylon being mentione was figurative as it was the Persians that ended their reign.
The Burden upon Arabia is to spread the message preached by that Rider that the watchmen spied on the Camel.

DappaD:



Read it out loud nah
What does Isaiah 21:16,17 say concerning Kedar?
See wahala oo

Arabia, Tema, Kedar, Midian, Dedan(im) All sons of Ishmael and their dwelling place.

Again I ask, when you mentioned someone's name, or something name, are you doing it just because you can or you are drawing your listener attention to them/it?

By the way, the Rider on the Ass was Jesus the son of Mary who entered Jerusalem riding upon an Ass while the Rider upon the Camel was Prophet Muhammad who the whole World knows that he Rode on A CAMEL.

Don't just take a verse from a chapter and make a Religion out of it, consider the whole chapter.

You can post your elders interpretations too and let the whole Nairaland see.

Primesky:


Can you please stop twisting the scriptures?. You see the truth but reject it, only looking for what to use and confuse people. Stop picking single verses and generalizing it as the meaning of things. Read the whole chapter or even chapters and get the context.

That same John chapter 2 you quoted, go back and read it from verse 18, then come back and repeat what you just gave me as the meaning of what Jesus meant. For the benefit of others, see it here.

John 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Did you see verses 19 to 22, carefully look at verses 21 & 22 did you read these verses first before you singled out just verse 24?. The Bible tells you what Jesus meant, but you rejected that one, instead you started doing Bible chemistry, is it good?.

The truth is open for you to see, that Jesus talked about His body and not the temple of worship.


I will also ask you this. You say Jesus did not rise physically, but spiritually, if that be the case, where went His body, the one that was buried in the tomb, how come it disappeared after his spirit resurrected?. And how is it that human beings could touch his spirit, see wounds and bruises on the spirit body, and this spirit also ate with them bread and fish?. Please kindly let me know where the flesh/body of Jesus went after just three days in the tomb. Please don't tell me it decayed away. Thank you.

Good morning Mr Primesky!

I've given you the interpretation that i subscribed to which is that of the Watchtower Organization, but if you think it's wrong there is no problem Sir.
You just present the result of your interpretation perhaps i'll be convinced that the Watchtower is wrong. I'm a Muslim from birth and i believe in the existence of God, but i can never agree that God is in the midst of confused religionists who can't speak with one voice.
So if JWs taught me that the body of Christ means the Christian congregation, and they're able to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign within them i can't doubt their interpretation.
You can only convince me they're wrong if you tell me the name of your church and how well they are doing regarding LOVE, JOY and PEACE!

Jesus is the Prince of Peace and his body must have PEACE reigning in their midst!

Thanks and God bless you!

Lukuluku69:


The Verses were not tampered with! The problem is this: you left Verses 1 thru 15 and ask me about 16 and 17. I know JW do this a lot!

The Chapter starts with a certain burden on a Desert of Sea. Move on to watchmen on the look out for someone and Babylon falling with her idols. Then the watchmen saw some horse rider, A Chariot of Ass or Rider upon an Ass and a Chariot of Camel or a Rider upon a Camel. I will tell you the mystery of the Riders. Then Verse 13 mentioned "the burden upon Arabia!

Also note that "Dedan(im) and Tema" Are ISHMAEL SONS NAMES!

Tema and Dedan were Ishmael sons name who descendants settled in Tema and Dedanim just like Judah. They were the Tribe that housed Prophet Muhammad when Kedar the chief tribe were attacking the Prophet! They brought water to him that fled!
And the glory of kedar that failed was when Kedar (the Meccan Pagans were defeated)
Babylon being mentione was figurative as it was the Persians that ended their reign.
The Burden upon Arabia is to spread the message preached by that Rider that the watchmen spied on the Camel.

The mention of Babylon wasn't figurative. Yes Babylon was overthrown by the Medo-Persians. But Babylon actually struck down Kedar — Jeremiah 49:28,29

Lukuluku69:


The Verses were not tampered with! The problem is this: you left Verses 1 thru 15 and ask me about 16 and 17. I know JW do this a lot!

The Chapter starts with a certain burden on a Desert of Sea. Move on to watchmen on the look out for someone and Babylon falling with her idols. Then the watchmen saw some horse rider, A Chariot of Ass or Rider upon an Ass and a Chariot of Camel or a Rider upon a Camel. I will tell you the mystery of the Riders. Then Verse 13 mentioned "the burden upon Arabia!

Also note that "Dedan(im) and Tema" Are ISHMAEL SONS NAMES!

Tema and Dedan were Ishmael sons name who descendants settled in Tema and Dedanim just like Judah. They were the Tribe that housed Prophet Muhammad when Kedar the chief tribe were attacking the Prophet! They brought water to him that fled!
And the glory of kedar that failed was when Kedar (the Meccan Pagans were defeated)
Babylon being mentione was figurative as it was the Persians that ended their reign.
The Burden upon Arabia is to spread the message preached by that Rider that the watchmen spied on the Camel.

Oh so now you want to consider other verses?
C'mon don't be a hypocrite. Since you want to ignore context na, what did Isaiah say concerning Kedar? Did Isaiah say that the glory of Kedar would come to an end or not? —Isaiah 21:16,17.

DappaD:



Oh so now you want to consider other verses?
C'mon don't be a hypocrite. Since you want to ignore context na, what did Isaiah say concerning Kedar? Did Isaiah say that the glory of Kedar would come to an end or not? —Isaiah 21:16,17.

He's just deceiving himself with the deities of old Arabians that was forced down the throats of his forefathers by the sword. I've shown him JWs are making disciples even amongst Arabians, so if he doesn't want to listen to the message of PEACE i'm through with him. He can continue deceiving himself over a religion that can't make PEACE reign even in the midst of it's adherents!

Maximus69:


He's just deceiving himself with the deities of old Arabians that was forced down the throats of his forefathers by the sword. I've shown him JWs are making disciples even amongst Arabians, so if he doesn't want to listen to the message of PEACE i'm through with him. He can continue deceiving himself over a religion that can't make PEACE reign even in the midst of it's adherents!

Likewise
It's just a fruitless discussion
How has the convention been brother?

DappaD:


Likewise
It's just a fruitless discussion
How has the convention been brother?

He has studied with JWs for years but he doesn't have the confidence to make his stand so he is just consoling himself with the blind arguments.

He already knew the truth, but he's scared of living people whom he knew all his life!

DappaD:


The mention of Babylon wasn't figurative. Yes Babylon was overthrown by the Medo-Persians. But Babylon actually struck down Kedar — Jeremiah 49:28,29

How did Babylon that ceases to be a Nation struck down Kedar? How? Show me that in History please.

DappaD:



Oh so now you want to consider other verses?
C'mon don't be a hypocrite. Since you want to ignore context na, what did Isaiah say concerning Kedar? Did Isaiah say that the glory of Kedar would come to an end or not? —Isaiah 21:16,17.

Isaiah 21 should be read as a whole nah. The glory of Kedar failed when the Prophet defeated the Kedar Branch of the Ishmaelite Clan with the help of the Tema Branch. That happened at the Battle of Badr exactly a year after Tema accepted him.

Maximus69:


Good morning Mr Primesky!

I've given you the interpretation that i subscribed to which is that of the Watchtower Organization, but if you think it's wrong there is no problem Sir.
You just present the result of your interpretation perhaps i'll be convinced that the Watchtower is wrong. I'm a Muslim from birth and i believe in the existence of God, but i can never agree that God is in the midst of confused religionists who can't speak with one voice.
So if JWs taught me that the body of Christ means the Christian congregation, and they're able to make LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign within them i can't doubt their interpretation.
You can only convince me they're wrong if you tell me the name of your church and how well they are doing regarding LOVE, JOY and PEACE!

Jesus is the Prince of Peace and his body must have PEACE reigning in their midst!

Thanks and God bless you!

Ok, I get your point.

There are different contexts in the scripture. One must be careful not to confuse them. It is very wrong to just pick a few verse and give general interpretation, read the whole chapter, sometimes read the whole story to understand the flow and context to avoid making some unnecessary errors in interpretation.

Jesus himself knowing the possibility of this said to his disciples that when he leaves them, he will send them the Holy Spirit who will guide them into all truths, and remind them the things he has said so they don't misquote, misinterpret and mislead people. He warned them before he left, not to venture into preaching or doing anything until the Holy Spirit comes. They waited for 40 days until he came, that's why we celebrate Pentecost.

See this below This is Jesus speaking.

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


Take note that this Holy Spirit is a person though spirit, not a mere active force like JWs Call him. He talks, he guides. He is a person!.

Now, imagine a group of people telling you that such a person (Holy Spirit) does not exist, and that we no longer need him to guide us, rather we should follow what a group of select men says?. This is totally against what Jesus said, Jesus said the Holy Spirit will abide with us till the end to do the work Jesus said he will do. Now, if such a group comes telling you things about God, without the aid and guidance of the Holy Spirit, would you not take it with a pinch of salt?. Again, how can anybody explain the Bible without the help of the one who inspired It?, it's not a literature book, it's a spiritual book.

Read 1 Corinth 2 :14

Secondly, there are contexts where the body of Christ refers to the collection of Christians. But the context of discussion is explicitly talking about the physical body of Jesus Christ. But one thing that is consistent with the JW that I've seen is, rather than accept the written truth as it is, they twist it to suit their organization's beliefs, but God's word is infallible, it has the capacity to defend itself with enough proofs.

Now regarding the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ which the JWs argue against, claiming that he rose with spiritual body, look at this passage of scripture below and see the account of Jesus himself, not mine, then ask yourself where did the JW and Watch Tower get their information?.

Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Did you see verse 39 and below?. That explains why no body can find the physical body of Jesus christ the tomb, He is risen, and that physically!. To not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God is to not believe in God at all!.

May the good Lord guide us all by His Holy Spirit.. Amen!.

Primesky:


Ok, I get your point.

There are different contexts in the scripture. One must be careful not to confuse them. It is very wrong to just pick a few verse and give general interpretation, read the whole chapter, sometimes read the whole story to understand the flow and context to avoid making some unnecessary errors in interpretation.

Jesus himself knowing the possibility of this said to his disciples that when he leaves them, he will send them the Holy Spirit who will guide them into all truths, and remind them the things he has said so they don't misquote, misinterpret and mislead people. He warned them before he left, not to venture into preaching or doing anything until the Holy Spirit comes. They waited for 40 days until he came, that's why we celebrate Pentecost.

See this below This is Jesus speaking.

John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.


Take note that this Holy Spirit is a person though spirit, not a mere active force like JWs Call him. He talks, he guides. He is a person!.

Now, imagine a group of people telling you that such a person (Holy Spirit) does not exist, and that we no longer need him to guide us, rather we should follow what a group of select men says?. This is totally against what Jesus said, Jesus said the Holy Spirit will abide with us till the end to do the work Jesus said he will do. Now, if such a group comes telling you things about God, without the aid and guidance of the Holy Spirit, would you not take it with a pinch of salt?. Again, how can anybody explain the Bible without the help of the one who inspired It?, it's not a literature book, it's a spiritual book.

Read 1 Corinth 2 :14

Secondly, there are contexts where the body of Christ refers to the collection of Christians. But the context of discussion is explicitly talking about the physical body of Jesus Christ. But one thing that is consistent with the JW that I've seen is, rather than accept the written truth as it is, they twist it to suit their organization's beliefs, but God's word is infallible, it has the capacity to defend itself with enough proofs.

Perhaps it's because of the lengthy post, so let me shorten the question.

JW believe in the holy spirit, they say it's what is helping them to meet up with good qualities like orderliness, love, joy and peace amongst them.

So mention the name of your own Church and tell me how the qualities of God's holy spirit like love, joy and peace is working there! James 2:16

Below is an excerpt from the Watchtower magazine JWs studied globally today!
Note what we believe about the holy spirit!

Maximus69:


He's just deceiving himself with the deities of old Arabians that was forced down the throats of his forefathers by the sword. I've shown him JWs are making disciples even amongst Arabians, so if he doesn't want to listen to the message of PEACE i'm through with him. He can continue deceiving himself over a religion that can't make PEACE reign even in the midst of it's adherents!

Run Blind Maximus69, run!

Maximus69:


He has studied with JWs for years but he doesn't have the confidence to make his stand so he is just consoling himself with the blind arguments.

He already knew the truth, but he's scared of living people whom he knew all his life!

Your people came knocking on my Door I did not go out looking to Study any warped doctrines. I listened and I learnt that most of what they taught was/were the same old Tripe.

@Primesky

Hope you're now convinced that JWs BELIEVE in the holy spirit?

It's the difference in opinion that we can discuss but we believe in the holy spirit Sir!

But the HOLY SPIRIT is not a force na...He is a person. Y d use of "it" in the JW BIBLE?

Oghenevwarho:
But the HOLY SPIRIT is not a force na...He is a person. Y d use of "it" in the JW BIBLE?

It's not a person!
But if you think so, try consider this illustration.

Two persons are arguing about the key that can open a certain door, both of them said a lot to prove what they know about this special key, but their opinion is contradictory. Please what would you ask them to do in order to prove who truly is in possession of this unique key?

Would it not be wise to ask the two parties to try the key in their possession so we can see whose key will open the door?

Well Jehovah's Witnesses claims they have the holy spirit and it's God's active force, through the help of this spirit they have preached and taught people throughout the earth and the FRUIT is permeating their midst {Galatians 5:22-23} they are able to make all 8.7 million individuals from different races under the heavens associating with them drop their weapons, so they've proved to be true followers of the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 2:2-4 compare to Isaiah 9:6-7

Please show me the evidence that of God's holy spirit is working with those who say it's a person!

DappaD:


The mention of Babylon wasn't figurative. Yes Babylon was overthrown by the Medo-Persians. But Babylon actually struck down Kedar — Jeremiah 49:28,29

You left Verses 1 thru 27 and zeroed in on 28-29 to justify what?

Well, Verses 28-29 only talked about King Nebu foray among Ishmaelites tribesmen as he did to every other Nation at the height of his power. He exiled the so called Jehovah pikins for 70yrs.

And what is more, the same Kedar walloped the Medo-Persians and consumed them and the Kedar is still standing TODAY! Can you say the same for Babylon physically?

DappaD:


Likewise
It's just a fruitless discussion
How has the convention been brother?

Very convenient. After choking on Arabia, Kedar, Nebaioth, Tema, it is better to tap out before your ignorance is exposed.

Peacefullove:


Break the mirror, will you still see it ?


Heaven doesn't entertain flesh and blood.... Human is a name for flesh and blood beings. Nowhere is any heavenly being tagged "Human" , what you will see is anthropomorphic descriptions.


For the tag human to be applied BOLDLY in Revelation 21:3,4 ... This are earthly humans of flesh and blood.

You really hit the rottennaija guy.

Peacefullove:


Break the mirror, will you still see it ?


Heaven doesn't entertain flesh and blood.... Human is a name for flesh and blood beings. Nowhere is any heavenly being tagged "Human" , what you will see is anthropomorphic descriptions.


For the tag human to be applied BOLDLY in Revelation 21:3,4 ... This are earthly humans of flesh and blood.

Jozzy4:


You really hit the rottennaija guy.

This perfectly coined word must have really got. No wonder you are so fixated at it and keep bring it up.

Let see more
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Re 21:7 says, all who are victorious (conquerers) will inherit all these things. What things? What the holy city, the new Jerusalem brings seen verses 2 - 4.

Who are victorious (conquerers)? Who are sons (children)? Only sons inherits what belongs to the father (not friends, neighbors). Who are God's children or sons? Who are born again? (See also Re 2:7, 11,17, 26-28; 3:5, 12,21)

(Jn 1:12) However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name.

(1 Jn 5:1-4) Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God, and everyone who loves the one who caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and carry out his commandments. 

(Ga 3:26) You are all, in fact, sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus.

(1 Jn 4:7) Beloved ones, let us continue loving one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born from God and knows God.

Take another look at the description of this new Jerusalem.

filled with the glory of God and sparkled like a precious gem, crystal clear like jasper.
Its walls were broad and high, with twelve gates guarded by twelve angels.

There were three gates on each side—east, north, south, and west. The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

The wall was made of jasper, and the city was pure gold, as clear as glass. The wall of the city was built on foundation stones inlaid with twelve gems: the first was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald the fifth onyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst. The twelve gates were made of pearls—each gate from a single pearl! And the main street was pure gold, as clear as glass.

These descriptions are anthropomorphic? In that case, the new Jerusalem is anthropomorphic and the angels are guarding nothing, probably anthropomorphic angels?

These reminds me of He 11:13-16 where it says those faithful men of old were waiting for a real city, "a better place, a heavenly homeland. That is why God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a heavenly city for them."

Definitely, such city as described above wouldn't have death, tears, pains, mourning. Definitely, not anthropomorphic.

Then again, still in that same city. Re 21:22 says, "No temple could be seen in the city, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple."

Please remind this disgraced rottennaija who is God's temple as mentioned in the Christian Greek scriptures? Born again? Anointed Christians? Are the great crowd of watchtower belief God's temple? But here, Jehovah God and Jesus are the temple in this wonderful beautiful city (anthropomorphic city according to you).

It really is a wonderful privilege to be sons with Jesus, because sons (children) are heirs, heirs of the promises and the inherit everything Jesus inherits.

But it still doesn't end there. Verse 24 points out about this city. "The nations of the earth will walk in its light, and the rulers of the world will come and bring their glory to it."

So they will be Nations and rulers who would be guided by the light if this city. And the nations and rulers will bring glory to this city.

Who is going to marry child molesters?

Who is going to marry those who refuse blood transfusion and would rather see you dead?

Who is going to marry cowards that cannot protect their families and nations?

Who is going to marry people who see non-jw organisations as Babylon?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/02/08/jehovahs-witnesses-under-investigation-pennsylvania-attorney-generals-office/2425260001/

Maximus69 is a typical example of what is wrong with jw. When you see jw, know within yourself you've see beasts

FOLYKAZE:
Who is going to marry child molesters?

Who is going to marry those who refuse blood transfusion and would rather see you dead?

Who is going to marry cowards that cannot protect their families and nations?

Who is going to marry people who see non-jw organisations as Babylon?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/02/08/jehovahs-witnesses-under-investigation-pennsylvania-attorney-generals-office/2425260001/

Maximus69 is a typical example of what is wrong with jw. When you see jw, know within yourself you've see beasts

This is ridiculous, at least we should leave beasts to marry their fellow beasts in peace nah!

Maximus69:


This is ridiculous, at least we should leave beasts to marry their fellow beasts in peace nah!

Ridi what?

Who would give a man to a beast who would rather have his wife dead because of jw doctrine on blood transfusion?

Thousands of died through jw denial. No one want more of it

FOLYKAZE:

Ridi what?
Who would give a man to a beast who would rather have his wife dead because of jw doctrine on blood transfusion?
Thousands of died through jw denial. No one want more of it

Hen nah, is that not enough reason why JWs only admire their fellow JWs?