IDENNAA:


Well , we are looking beyond tap-ins, the over all impact needs to be taken into account. Osimhen is a complete baller. I don't need statistics to know that.

ok sir

See as people narratives dey change with the weather

IDENNAA:


Leaving Turkey for a better league is not so easy.

If you are good its easy

TheSuperNerd:
Free Agent for now. Released by Esperance last time I since two months now ago or so.

Na wa ooo

All these our naija league players sha

andrewbaba44:


Lol

Haba , british lokosa ke

Meanwhile where is lokosa ?

He should be in Egypt or one of those African clubs.

Naah. Was in Tunisia. He was released. He's a free agent for now until something pops up for him.

mostob:
He should be in Egypt or one of those African clubs.

TheSuperNerd:
Speaking facts...

Tammy started 25 league games and got subbed out 16 times! He got subbed in on 9 ocassions majorly b'cos hé lost his place to Giroud with time.

8 out of those 16 times he got taken off, he didn't score or assist in those games. I guess he was always injured those 8 times he didn't score and got yanked off.

In the Champions league, Tammy also started 7 times out of Chelsea's 8 games. And was subbed out in 4 of them.





On Osimhen, this guy started 25 league games and only got subbed in twice. He was taken off/subbed out only on 5 ocassions and 3 out of those 5 occasions, Osimhen scored or assisted goals. I will not even bother elaborating those two times he didn't score.


In the Champions league, he started five for Lille and finished them! He was NEVER taken off.






Now from these, it is obvious one had a team relying so heavily on him. One literally carried the team but the other was having it up and down and seeing his game time reduced partly due to poor form and losing his place to a much older Striker in Giroud. And yes, he still got some goals... Who wouldn't in a high quality side like Chelsea in 45 whooping games?? (Read on and you will see how I arrived at number 45 ).


In Summary, Tammy started 33 games in all competitions in 2019/2020 and Osimhen also started 33 games in all competitions.

Osimhen got subbed in only 5 times in all comps.

Tammy got subbed in 14 times.


In total, Osimhen made 38 appearances while Tammy made 45 appearances.

Tammy played more games but got less minutes b'cos several times he simply didn't perform and got yanked off 8 times out of 16 sub-outs in the league alone where he didn't score nor assist. He also lost his place to Giroud at some point hence his game time got hit hard!





So who are the biased ones?


Enough talk please... Moving on.

Great analysis here, mate, but I'm afraid it's flawed and not conclusive.
A player being substituted out doesn't always signify he's poor, it signifies he might have good competition.

To illustrate:
Aguero started 18 games but has been substituted out 10 times, only once has that sub been on account of an injury.

On the other hand, Harry Kane has started 29 games and has been substituted out just 3 times, never on account on injury.

But when starting(bar injury) Aguero scores in 53% of his games.
Kane scores in 48%.
Aguero scored 16 times . Kane scored 18 times.

This obviously shows that Aguero was substituted a lot because of the competition of the squad.
But Kane was not substituted enough because of zero competition.

This stat is not fair on Tammy because he has scored 9 in 25 starts compared with Osimhen's 10 in 25, but is still subbed way more.

But, yeah, Osimhen is clear of Tammy, man.

I didn't say everytime he got subbed out means he is poor. Read it again. This is why you see flaw when there is none.

He was subbed out 16 times in the league. I focused on the 8 times he was obviously having little or no impact on the game b'cos I watched some of those 8 games myself. I don't have to be super elaborate about them b'cos I don't have all day to talk about Tammy.

Everyone who followed Chelsea knows Tammy went on a drought and they know also that Tammy lost his place along the line to Giroud. His game time took a major hit. This is all I stated. Nothing flawed about that at all. It is only copy and paste numbers. I didn't manufacture them. It is just what it is.


And the focus of the discussion that prompted my post was the erroneous stance that Tammy came from the bench most times to deliver while Osimhen started. Some wanted to run with that false narrative that Tammy kept coming from the bench when he was infact a starter who only lost his place along the line and started same number of games as Osimhen. Simple.

TheLoneCitizen:


Great analysis here, mate, but I'm afraid it's flawed and not conclusive.
A player being substituted out doesn't always signify he's poor, it signifies he might have good competition.

To illustrate:
Aguero started 18 games but has been substituted out 10 times, only once has that sub been on account of an injury.

On the other hand, Harry Kane has started 29 games and has been substituted out just 3 times, never on account on injury.

But when starting(bar injury) Aguero scores in 53% of his games.
Kane scores in 48%.
Aguero scored 16 times . Kane scored 18 times.

This obviously shows that Aguero was substituted a lot because of the competition of the squad.
But Kane was not substituted enough because of zero competition.

This stat is not fair on Tammy because he has scored 9 in 25 starts compared with Osimhen's 10 in 25.

But, yeah, Osimhen is clear of Tammy, man.

Edopesin:


ok sir

See as people narratives dey change with the weather

You dey mind them, No need to compare a tap in merchant (Tammy) to an all round striker (Osihmen)

Osihmen scored more tap ins than Tammy, now na we are looking beyond Tap in

Shey I talk am say dem go twist the agenda to their taste, na here we dey, make we dey look

TheSuperNerd:
Naah. Was in Tunisia. He was released. He's a free agent for now until something pops up for him.

Ok bro. I pray he finds his way to latvia. His fellow bredas are painting the place red.

Neobulletzz:

You dey mind them, No need to compare a tap in merchant (Tammy) to an all round striker (Osihmen)

Osihmen scored more tap ins than Tammy, now na we are looking beyond Tap in

Shey I talk am say dem go twist the agenda to their taste, na here we dey, make we dey look

Some are even writing epistle to justify the unjustifiable
We dey look

Neobulletzz:

Aswear Bro, personally I should pick Osihmen but all of dem dey bias and they are bitter Tammy is not playing for Nigeria

why will you pick Osihmen when Tammy is better?

andrewbaba44:

Says him and his beer parlour/ ogogoro crew

hahahahahahahaha

andrewbaba44:

Says him and his beer parlour/ ogogoro crew

hahahahahahahaha

TheSuperNerd:
I didn't say everytime he got subbed out means he is poor. Read it again. This is why you see flaw when there is none.

He was subbed out 16 times in the league. I focused on the 8 times he was obviously having little or no impact on the game b'cos I watched some of those 8 games myself. I don't have to be super elaborate about them b'cos I don't have all day to talk about Tammy.

Everyone who followed Chelsea knows Tammy went on a drought and they know also that Tammy lost his place along the line to Giroud. His game time took a major hit. This is all I stated. Nothing flawed about that at all. It is only copy and paste numbers. I didn't manufacture them. It is just what it is.


And the focus of the discussion that prompted my post was the erroneous stance that Tammy came from the bench most times to deliver while Osimhen started. Some wanted to run with that false narrative that Tammy kept coming from the bench when he was infact a starter who only lost his place along the line and started same number of games as Osimhen. Simple.

Head-to-head susbstition is not a conclusive stat, my good man.

When starting, Tammy has the same whoscored rating as Osimhen. Substituted players generally get bad ratings, but yet he still compares favourably with Osimhen with less subs. This means Osimhen has been tolerated on his bad days unlike Tammy.

Osimhen has failed to score in 15 starts, compared with Tammy's 16. But Osimhen is still tolerated.

Osimhen's longest goal drought is 4 consecutive starts, same as Tammy. But Osimhen is still tolerated.

Osimhen is better than Tammy, but substitution is not an indicator of quality.

Funfact: Forwards' involvement in teams' passings both aimed at them or played by them

I have had these charts for a while.... Perhaps it's about time I dropped it here.


A.
% of his team's passes attempted by player (judging how much involved a forward is in his team's passing, linkup plays):

Tammy trumps Haaland... But Osimhen edges Tammy.

Tell me does this make Tammy better than Haaland?? I just dey laugh.



B.
% of passes aimed at player (shows both how involved a player is in his team's linkup/build up plays and how much is aimed at him to finish depending on where he is on the field/final third:

Osimhen >>> Tammy >>>> Haaland

Summary

-Haaland is the ultimate poacher as can be seen. Dude will bury you with almost any chance he gets but is hardly involved in his team's linkup/buildup plays/passing.

-Osimhen is more involved than both in his team's link-up plays and passing.

- Tammy is below Osimhen in both but ahead of Haaland.

Chart 1- Ligue 1 (Focus: Osimhen)

Chart 2- Bundesliga (Focus: Haaland)

Chart 3- EPL (Focus: Tammy)


Note: Remember this is another focus on another aspect of the Forwards' game styles and abilities.

Edopesin:


As a coach with a team like the type you described I'll take Osimhen because of his work rate but with a team where I have capable midfielders that will supply ball for the striker to finish off I'll go with Tammy

Osimhen is also a better choice for the Super Eagles

U just answered your own question about "which attribute Osimhen have?"

Thesupernerd has answered your question regarding the games in which Tammy started and was subbed off..

Nobody said anything about it being conclusive. It only addressed the number of games both started and finished. It also debunked the nonsense making rounds that one got less starts than the other b'cos of less game time brought about by his being dropped for a while. Finito.

All these ones you are saying is just different angles into what the numbers interpret... I am not for all that. My post addressed their gametime, number of games, number of games finished and their number of times substituted in or out. Simple.

It is not conclusive but my angle is a pointer to what differentiates Osimhen from Tammy. Osimhen bosses Tammy even with 10 games to spare. EOD.

TheLoneCitizen:


Head-to-head susbstition is not a conclusive stat, my good man.

When starting, Tammy has the same whoscored rating as Osimhen. Substituted players generally get bad ratings, but yet he still compares favourably with Osimhen with less subs. This means Osimhen has been tolerated on his bad days unlike Tammy.

Osimhen has failed to score in 15 starts, compared with Tammy's 16. But Osimhen is still tolerated.

Osimhen's longest goal drought is 4 consecutive starts, same as Tammy. But Osimhen is still tolerated.

Osimhen is better than Tammy, but substitution is not an indicator of quality.

forgiveness:


Have you forgotten that the same 33 years old Giroud lost out to Abraham at the beginning of the season? Can you now remember?

Giroud was signed from the onset to be a backup striker, innit?

forgiveness:


Tammy

Can you please show me where Tammy was subbed out at half time because of poor performance?

You people just like to lie to make point.

Go back to the previous page and read thesupernerd post on that...

Lol... You know... I don't know whether you are wishing him well or mocking him. I just don't know. Lol... Latvia kwa?

Well... He is not getting any younger knowing he uses his "Football age" so at this stage I think Lokosa seeks where he will play and earn good money. Don't know if he will like the Latvia "financial" package. It's up to him.

mostob:
Ok bro. I pray he finds his way to latvia. His fellow bredas are painting the place red.

Danielnino00:

U just answered your own question about "which attribute Osimhen have?"

Thesupern.erd has answered your question regarding the games in which Tammy started and was subbed off..

Nope you've not answered it and neither did the guy's comment
I asked for the matches in which he was taken off at Half Time, you said this insinuating that he was not playing well in the first half that made lampard take him off at HT

The comment you quoted is talking about instances and qualities surrounding Osimhen and Tammy not the ones they have in them so you've not answered both my questions

Unless you want to hide behind Osimhen's work rate as the reason why he is better than Tammy and not other core technicalities

TheLoneCitizen:


Fenerbahce are trying to hijack the deal. The deal became complicated due to Champions League football.

Besiktas want to sign the player before August 20 or else Akpom will not be eligible for their Champions League qualifier on August 24.

But the catch is this: Besiktas' opponent on Aug 24 will be Paok(Akpom's team) and being a one-legged tie, Paok do not want to strengthen a champions league rival.

Akpom also might be reluctant to deny his future team Champions League football. While Paok doubt his concentration.

In this catch-22, Fenerbahce have taken advantage by offering a 4-year contract worth 1.5M yearly to Akpom.

Johny Georgopoylos has just reported that Paok will not sell Chuba Akpom before the Champions League game.

Why would he want to deprive his future team of Champions League football?

The Tammy fanboys and Biased ones will avoid this post like it's some plague....

This also answers some questions on the first debate on Osimhen vs Haaland. Hahahahahaha.... Funny lots. Agenda folks.

TheSuperNerd:
Funfact: Forwards' involvement in teams' passings both aimed at them or played by them

I have had these charts for a while.... Perhaps it's about time I dropped it here.


A.
% of his team's passes attempted by player (judging how much involved a forward is in his team's passing, linkup plays):

Tammy trumps Haaland... But Osimhen edges Tammy.

Tell me does this make Tammy better than Haaland?? I just dey laugh.



B.
% of passes aimed at player (shows both how involved a player is in his team's linkup/build up plays and how much is aimed at him to finish depending on where he is on the field/final third:

Osimhen >>> Tammy >>>> Haaland

Summary

-Haaland is the ultimate poacher as can be seen. Dude will bury you with almost any chance he gets but is hardly involved in his team's linkup/buildup plays/passing.


-Osimhen is more involved than both in his team's link-up plays and passing.

- Tammy is below Osimhen in both but ahead of Haaland.

Chart 1- Ligue 1 (Focus: Osimhen)

Chart 2- Bundesliga (Focus: Haaland)

Chart 3- EPL (Focus: Tammy)


Note: Remember this is another focus on another aspect of the Forwards' game styles and abilities.

He avoided this

Passes per game
Tammy Abraham- 14
Victor Osimhen- 13

One plays in the EPL the other in ligue 1

Wetin concern local man with build up play? Score and give assists

Since Osimhen is a team player can you give us his Key passes per game?

I won't post it myself

Edopesin:


Nope you've not answered it and neither did the guy's comment
I asked for the matches in which he was taken off at Half Time, you said this insinuating that he was not playing well in the first half that made lampard take him off at HT

The comment you quoted is talking about instances and qualities surrounding Osimhen and Tammy not the ones they have in them so you've not answered both my questions

Unless you want to hide behind Osimhen's work rate as the reason why he is better than Tammy and not other core technicalities

Read through the comment again....you will find your answers there..

Aside work rate, Osimhen is also more versatile than Tammy.. he has played on the flanks before... Has Tammy?

But then,having a better work rate itself alone proves a lot of things..
I mean,aside being a good goal poacher,what other thing does Tammy offer on the pitch? A striker that does nothing other than scoring goals will fade off quickly when his goals dry up..

You are directing hardened biased minds that have vowed never to understand, to my posts?

Dear Danny, stress not yourself. It is futile. Lol. Agenda must agend. It must "agendicate." (Borrowing Chrisooblog's word abi na Who get am sef?). Just free them.

Danielnino00:

U just answered your own question about "which attribute Osimhen have?"

Thesupernerd has answered your question regarding the games in which Tammy started and was subbed off..

Edopesin:
He avoided this

Passes per game
Tammy Abraham- 14
Victor Osimhen- 13

One plays in the EPL the other in ligue 1

Wetin concern local man with build up play? Score and give assists

Since Osimhen is a team player can you give us his Key passes per game?

I won't post it myself

You avoided this



*Average rating at the end of the season*

Tammy - 6.8
Osimhen - 7.0

Danielnino00:


Giroud was signed from the onset to be a backup striker, innit?

Bhuhahahaha! Backup striker for who?

Danielnino00:


Go back to the previous page and read thesupernerd post on that...

Oga! D defend your statement. You wrote it that statement not Nerd.

Danielnino00:


Read through the comment again....you will find your answers there..

Aside work rate, Osimhen is also more versatile than Tammy.. he has played on the flanks before... Has Tammy?

But then,having a better work rate itself alone proves a lot of things..
I mean,aside being a good goal poacher,what other thing does Tammy offer on the pitch? A striker that does nothing other than scoring goals will fade off quickly when his goals dry up..

I read through the biased write up and he never mentioned the matches

Haaland offers nothing else on the pitch and he is better than any young striker you want to bring to the table, do you also have the same thoughts towards him? I seriously doubt

As a team player Osimhen doesn't have more assists than Tammy and how many goals has he scored as winger to confirm that he is versatile?

Danielnino00:


You avoided this



*Average rating at the end of the season*

Tammy - 6.8
Osimhen - 7.0

Average rating in a French league compared to EPL? Bros, reason am well na.

Danielnino00:


You avoided this



*Average rating at the end of the season*

Tammy - 6.8
Osimhen - 7.0

6.8 in EPL is rather impressive compared to 7.0 in Ligue 1 don't you think?