janeedema:
Those quoting that the Church should obey all of the government's instruction against it, because the Bible says so, are grossly misinformed.

The Bible also states to give to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar's.

The monies we give as donation and offerings have already been taxed for Christ's sakes.

What's the government doing with all the monies in their coffers? Except bagging the poverty headquarters of the world, with huge debts on its neck.

The Church was the primary means of livelihood for most homes during this pandemic, whilst the government orchestrated plans to siphon funds that could have made the lives of the masses better.

How much more money does the government need? VAT increased with no increment in salary amidst the aggravated hardship.

Take it or leave it: the Church is the most functional entity in Nigeria. Their employees are paid on time, and you hardly hear of a church that has gone bankrupt.

This should tell the state something:

In the Bible, the Prophet Daniel of old upheld God's Word and was ready to burn in the stakes instead of obeying a government's injunction.

So, daring the audacity of the government by Papa Oyedepo wouldn't be anything strange-- for the state is overstepping its boundaries.

If these mega churches had squandered the monies received by members, the government will have nothing to be eyeing.

Lazy government. Kindly go and take a long sleep for on this one, you have failed.

Lauretta and co, should go and imbibe the ways of the Church and be wise, for a progressive Nigeria. Envying affluent men of God is completely unnecessary.

If it's easy to get people to be gullible, everyone would have a thriving church.

Nevertheless, I believe that until the church rises up as one and speak with one voice, the state may keep advancing.

I truly wish we had more Christians like Papa Oyedepo and Pst. Chris-- with audacity.

When the state started dictating how services should be run all in the name of COVID19, I knew there would be more stringent rules coming, as they have been tasting their might.

Christianity isn't "zombiesm". No! It's not.

If you're a Christian and you're applauding this move, I am truly sorry for you.

Know this: persecuting God's church is tantamount to persecuting Christ, and there is the warfare dimension of the God we worship.

We shall surely overcome.

√ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ √ - 10/10 for you.

lexy2014:


There's no correlation with what u said above & d questions I asked u. Pls read d questions again:

"Are u saying Oyedepos words have caused more damage in Nigeria compared with d guns of BH, fulani herdsmen & uncontrollable & pampered bandits?"

If you don't get anything out of that explanation then I don't have further explanation you.......
Your oyedepo is not above the government.....you must obey the authority no matter who you are........

SIONKPO1:

The Annual return CAC collects is what?

Oga they re form not tax,Firs n Sirs collect tax.

This kind of law requires a referendum among adherents of a faith and even members of specific churches before it can make sense. You cannot tell me you want to be monitoring what a person I trust with my money to spend does with the money.

I remain in a church because I believe in the leaders as truly Gods sent, I also pay my money to the church for same reason. Now, without ever complaining about how my money is spent, why is the govt trying to monitor it for me. I pay more tax to the govt n they cannot account for it. Why are they after the church.

I can see that you're very sick upstair. Who is criticising the killing over there if not Bishop Oyedepo and Apostle Suleiman.

Ikeast:
Oga Oyedepo upon all the christians killed in Southern Kaduna,
U didn't condenm it..

U are interested in reopening church Coz tithe and offering issagoal........

Deborah98:
Am I the only one that don't like putting mouth in church and men of God's affairs? Seriously it's not because I have nothing to say but I have to mind my business simple

It's because you have been brainwashed and your brain is in their pockets. If the topic was about an imam that rapes a minor or a pastor that defiled a young boy in the anus you probably won't mind your business. Better emancipate yourself from religious slavery. Oyedepo and all other God of men will die one day and be buried like you and i. They are humans. They treat malaria and other common sicknesses like every human. They eat everyday to survive. They have armed body guards disguised as ushers surrounding them on their pulpits when preaching their panya. They even use face masks and hand sanitizers to avoid dying from covik1-9 birus

In conclusion, I want an out of this country.

When businesses under government regulations are suffering. Now you want to add churches as well and appoint northerners as their God to direct their finances.

Sometimes I wonder why I was born in this country. If it was in a country with sensible leaders it would have been okay. But here, it's full of corrupt leaders. Now corruption would even enter the church? God forbid!!!

laiperi:
As much I do support the freedom of religion, they must operate within the law of the country.

Nigeria is not China or Russia but these religious felons have brought shame and exploitation to their countries. Even worse than foreign religions they copy and model themselves after.

What values have they brought other than money into their foreign accounts and private planes idling at the airports?

Just because the masses hear it wrong and go astray to demonize Christianity doesn't mean the concept is wrong. The religious fathers have not done anything bad or wrong. Spirituality is an expensive thing o. Your own is to go to church and sit down. Then pay 100# offering and 500# tithe, yetwe don't know how the building came about, where the roofs came from, the chairs, the speakers, the land, the allowance of other preachers, the workers inside the church that help to maintain decorum, the security men that help to protect average civilians while communicating with their creator, and other costs within that building. There's fuel to keep the building lit up because someone could come into the building anytime wanting to seek God's face. And, that goes to hundreds of other branches in the country. Some bad eggs use it as a source of income, but the real ones preach something, else people wouldn't flock sheepishly to hear them. Peace man

I love this one, this comment, yes this particular one




Thumb up !

janeedema:
Those quoting that the Church should obey all of the government's instruction against it, because the Bible says so, are grossly misinformed.

The Bible also states to give to God what is God's and to Caesar what is Caesar's.

The monies we give as donation and offerings have already been taxed for Christ's sakes.

What's the government doing with all the monies in their coffers? Except bagging the poverty headquarters of the world, with huge debts on its neck.

The Church was the primary means of livelihood for most homes during this pandemic, whilst the government orchestrated plans to siphon funds that could have made the lives of the masses better.

How much more money does the government need? VAT increased with no increment in salary amidst the aggravated hardship.

Take it or leave it: the Church is the most functional entity in Nigeria. Their employees are paid on time, and you hardly hear of a church that has gone bankrupt.

This should tell the state something:

In the Bible, the Prophet Daniel of old upheld God's Word and was ready to burn in the stakes instead of obeying a government's injunction.

So, daring the audacity of the government by Papa Oyedepo wouldn't be anything strange-- for the state is overstepping its boundaries.

If these mega churches had squandered the monies received by members, the government will have nothing to be eyeing.

Lazy government. Kindly go and take a long sleep for on this one, you have failed.

Lauretta and co, should go and imbibe the ways of the Church and be wise, for a progressive Nigeria. Envying affluent men of God is completely unnecessary.

If it's easy to get people to be gullible, everyone would have a thriving church.

Nevertheless, I believe that until the church rises up as one and speak with one voice, the state may keep advancing.

I truly wish we had more Christians like Papa Oyedepo and Pst. Chris-- with audacity.

When the state started dictating how services should be run all in the name of COVID19, I knew there would be more stringent rules coming, as they have been tasting their might.

Christianity isn't "zombiesm". No! It's not.

If you're a Christian and you're applauding this move, I am truly sorry for you.

Know this: persecuting God's church is tantamount to persecuting Christ, and there is the warfare dimension of the God we worship.

We shall surely overcome.

Jones4190:

even Jesus paid taxe, In the Gospel account, in Capernaum the collectors of the two- drachma temple tax ask
Peter whether Jesus pays the tax, and he replies that he does. When Peter returns to where they are staying, Jesus speaks of the matter, asking his opinion: "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own children or from others?" Peter answers, "from others," and Jesus replies: "Then the children are exempt. But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake (the Sea of Galilee ) and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."

In Romans 13:7 the Bible make it clear that "Pay, then, what you owe them; pay them your personal and property taxes, and show respect and honour for them all.
Romans 13:7 GNB
oyedepo should quickly go and pay taxes before he invited the anger of God over him and his business church

If you understand what govt is and what tax is meant for, you will know when and how to ask of tax from the church.

You do not tax a money in the hand of an entity more than once. The money in the church is nothing more than a contribution in the eyes of the law. It is simply money entrusted unto a minister of God by followers. They entrust the church leadership with the money for spending and therefore it makes no sense to tax what has been taxed at the point of earning again n the hands of the church leadership. It is largely a thing of subconscious stúpidity in the society.

It's so funny to read what's going on in Nigerian and people's reply when it comes to church,but low reply when it concerns mosque.
You that talked of tithe,people of your type depend on the same church for a living and you'll come out here to insult the same church.when you don know what to say,stop broadcasting lies,I'm not a winners chapels member but can tell you how many lifes they raised from nothing to something even Christ embassy.but shocked me that some Muslims will still have mouth to talk.How.many mosque give out parliative during the lockdown?,none both online and offline and none of you complained,the same people flooded suleman,Reno etc page sending your bank account,and after collecting the same money,they'll still go at the back and insult them.
Oyedepo don't need your tithe for survival ok,and stop wasting your full ignorant on nonsense talk,stop blaming churches for the level of your poverty,blame your government bcs person like emoney and other wealthy nigerian youths never have time blaming church bcs they use it for something better.Educate your ignorant with right thing,Chanel your anger to your weak leaders

Samunique:
With this statement, you have a chicken brain.

No insult meant pls !!!

Besides, didn't they vote the man with your so called igbo name in 2011

lol

your and your insulative lot, its hard masking your ghetto face me i face, underbridge brought up...wont engage your type

Jones4190:
The Bible speaks decisively to this issue. Romans 13:1-2 says: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."

oyedepo is not man of God...
he is serving gods of money

infact verse 3 and 4 of thesame Romans 13 said For rulers are not to be feared by those who do good, but by those who do evil. Would you like to be unafraid of those in authority? Then do what is good, and they will praise you,
because they are God's servants working for your own good. But if you do evil, then be afraid of them, because their power to punish is real. They are God's servants and carry out God's punishment on those who do evil.
Romans 13:3-4 GNB

where is oyedepo concerned??

The above mentioned scriptural verses can not be applied to Nigerian Government, because majority of our leaders came into power through rigging of elections. Our wicked leaders are not ordained by God, but by corruption.

desiredhome:

If you don't get anything out of that explanation then I don't have further explanation you.......
Your oyedepo is not above the government.....you must obey the authority no matter who you are........

There's nothing to get out of what u said because u said absolutely nothing. U put together so many words but it's not about volume. It's about value. U added nothing to d discussion. My question goes thus:

"Are u saying Oyedepos words have caused more damage in Nigeria compared with d guns of BH, fulani herdsmen & uncontrollable & pampered bandits?"

All I expected from u was a simple yes or no with some explanation as to why u chose yes or no. But instead u were exhibiting verbal diarrhea by saying things that had absolutely no relevance to what I asked u.

By d way, am not sure what u mean Oyedepo being my Oyedepo & what that has got to do with d discussion. Once again, another off-point.

In terms of ur claim of obeying authority, can u give an overview of what is supposed to be obeyed with respect to.this discussion?

So the Igbo woman is in charge of buharis government or she is the one that enacted the law?

Samunique:
U still dey blame Yoruba when the lady in question here is your igbo sister ?

Being an hypocrite is shameful !

desiredhome:


Maybe you should read about the reason we have Church or the role of the church in personal/societal development.....and not just what your Pastorprenours tells you.....
The problem is a lot of you finds it difficult to study or do research otherwise you won't ask this kind of question......
Stop depending on Papa Say........use your time and brain

Good. But I haven't made any claims. I only asked u simple questions. u are d one who concluded that churches haven't contributed to d development of Nigeria in anyway. If u saying that& since u have read "about the reason we have Church or the role of the church in personal/societal development", then it shouldn't cost u anything to answer d following questions:

"Maybe u should begin by telling us what contribution u expect churches to make to d development of Nigeria and what benefits Nigerians are supposed to enjoy from churches?"

Talking of research, let's agree that u have studied extensively & done ur research on d subject matter & that u are now a scholar. If that be d case, y are my questions difficult for u to answer? If u use ur "time and ur brain", I have clearly not seen it in my interaction with u. As a scholar, am surprised that my questions have unsettled u& left u speechless exposing how empty u are upstairs. Now u have resorted to petty insults because u have run out of things to say.

Lastly, are u aware that my asking u questions is part of research, d same research u said I don't do? Am surprised that with all ur knowledge, u don't no something as simple as that.

Jonathan39:
So the Igbo woman is in charge of buharis government or she is the one that enacted the law?

What law exactly?

Jones4190:
The Bible speaks decisively to this issue. Romans 13:1-2 says: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."

oyedepo is not man of God...
he is serving gods of money

infact verse 3 and 4 of thesame Romans 13 said For rulers are not to be feared by those who do good, but by those who do evil. Would you like to be unafraid of those in authority? Then do what is good, and they will praise you,
because they are God's servants working for your own good. But if you do evil, then be afraid of them, because their power to punish is real. They are God's servants and carry out God's punishment on those who do evil.
Romans 13:3-4 GNB

where is oyedepo concerned??

Pls what exactly are u advocating that should be obeyed?

laiperi:
As much I do support the freedom of religion, they must operate within the law of the country.

Nigeria is not China or Russia but these religious felons have brought shame and exploitation to their countries. Even worse than foreign religions they copy and model themselves after.

What values have they brought other than money into their foreign accounts and private planes idling at the airports?

Pls how have "these religious felons brought shame to their countries"? What have their bringing shame to their countries got to do CAC?

What value are u expecting churches to bring? How does this value u are talking about affect CAC?

Jones4190:

even Jesus paid taxe, In the Gospel account, in Capernaum the collectors of the two- drachma temple tax ask
Peter whether Jesus pays the tax, and he replies that he does. When Peter returns to where they are staying, Jesus speaks of the matter, asking his opinion: "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own children or from others?" Peter answers, "from others," and Jesus replies: "Then the children are exempt. But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake (the Sea of Galilee ) and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours."

In Romans 13:7 the Bible make it clear that "Pay, then, what you owe them; pay them your personal and property taxes, and show respect and honour for them all.
Romans 13:7 GNB
oyedepo should quickly go and pay taxes before he invited the anger of God over him and his business church

Is CAC responsible for collecting tax in Nigeria? Is d discussion about tax?

CAMA

lexy2014:


What law exactly?

Be cautious of what you say.. government will never take over our churches, our churches not companies.

JAMO84:
Any religion leader that refused to obey the law should be prosecuted. They have their churches in US and UK, obey all their laws but refused to do same here.

Jones4190:
The Bible speaks decisively to this issue. Romans 13:1-2 says: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."

oyedepo is not man of God...
he is serving gods of money

infact verse 3 and 4 of thesame Romans 13 said For rulers are not to be feared by those who do good, but by those who do evil. Would you like to be unafraid of those in authority? Then do what is good, and they will praise you,
because they are God's servants working for your own good. But if you do evil, then be afraid of them, because their power to punish is real. They are God's servants and carry out God's punishment on those who do evil.
Romans 13:3-4 GNB

where is oyedepo concerned??

Stop quoting rubbish, who say he is afraid, he only point them out, and he is even quoting Bible, awon deep Christian, and mind you are in no position to judge a man, who calls himself anointed, it is too dangerous for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUWnmW5jPY



See how the child abuser slapped a little girl after accusing her that she was witch and she should go to hell?


He got away with that dastardly act because Nigeria is a lawless country where the powerful and the wicked prey on powerless people and even little children, but he can not get away with that kind of battery, physical assault and child endangerment in any sane and lawful society.


This evil man must rot in hell.

Ikeast:
Oga Oyedepo upon all the christians killed in Southern Kaduna,
U didn't condenm it..

U are interested in reopening church Coz tithe and offering issagoal........

Are you sure you are in Nigeria?

Ikeast:
Oga Oyedepo upon all the christians killed in Southern Kaduna,
U didn't condenm it..

U are interested in reopening church Coz tithe and offering issagoal........

Are you sure you are in Nigeria?.

Samunique:
U still dey blame Yoruba when the lady in question here is your igbo sister ?

Being an hypocrite is shameful !

who were the major Champion of this admin? Answer "Yoruba"

Who brough Buhari? "Yoruba"


Who made the CAMA law? Buhari...

ERockson:
This woman is carrying curses. It is wrong of any Christian to be aiding and abetting any anti Christian government policy with obvious ulterior motive. This woman and her likes should keep quiet if they can't call the government to order because of what they eat or steal from government

You call what those people do Christianity?

NGpatriot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUWnmW5jPY



See how the child abuser slapped a little girl after accusing her that she was witch and she should go to hell?


He got away with that dastardly act because Nigeria is a lawless country where the powerful and the wicked prey on powerless people and even little children, but he can not get away with that kind of battery, physical assault and child endangerment in any sane and lawful society.


This evil man must rot in hell.

No mind the idiot. He is already passing judgement on the child saying she is free to go to hell as if he is sure he will make it. See the arrogance. SMH

mabea:
One thing is sure, the church always wins.

yes always winning in turning you into a donkey and sucking your hard earned money for a imaginary smelling Jewish god of a bastard

akins088:
Be cautious of what you say.. government will never take over our churches, our churches not companies.

Read the content, nothing like take over

pellummy:


Stop quoting rubbish, who say he is afraid, he only point them out, and he is even quoting Bible, awon deep Christian, and mind you are in no position to judge a man, who calls himself anointed, it is too dangerous for you

Even the devil quoted the bible. A man says he is anointed means he is anointed abi?