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ANTIlSLAM:
Quran is NOT a book of error em?

I wonder

3.. Isaiah 64:6 Because "our righteousness is a polluted garment " filthy rags" before Yahweh, we need His grace and holy spirit to practice what righteous in God's sight.
James 2:24 in no way contradicts Ephesians 2:8-9, James is saying add "works, actions" to prove your faith is genuine.

You have faith you will pass your exam, but you have never studied diligently ("works" for the exam, is your faith genuine?


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Yahweh the Potter, says Job is God-fearing and righteous, who are you to question God?

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There was no law from Yahweh prohibiting incest when Abraham married Sarah.
Eve is Adam's sister, so to speak. Cain married his sister until Yahweh gave His prohibition on incest.
The human family irrespective of race is indeed one family, you no know?

6..

John 7:5
” 5For even His own brothers did not believe in Him.

Mark 3:21
When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."

John 15:15, Matt10:34 Jesus adherence to his Father, Yahweh's teachings caused divisions in his family, likewise, he says that adherence to Jehovah's teachings would cause divisions and opposition from unbelieving family members.

Galatians 6:10 and John 13:34-35, real love and unity exists among Jehovah's servants.


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Proverbs 26:4, in other words, will you argue with a mad man?

Proverbs 26:5, compare Matt21:23-26.
Jesus Christ gave a fitting response to his accusers, because it was absolutely necessary.

In a nutshell, Circumstances & situations differ , but apply wisdom always.

Janosky:
5....

There was no law from Yahweh prohibiting incest when Abraham married Sarah.
Eve is Adam's sister, so to speak. Cain married his sister until Yahweh gave His prohibition on incest.
The human family irrespective of race is indeed one family, you no know?

6..

John 7:5
” 5For even His own brothers did not believe in Him.

Mark 3:21
When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, "He is out of His mind."

John 15:15, Matt10:34 Jesus adherence to his Father, Yahweh's teachings caused divisions in his family, likewise, he says that adherence to Jehovah's teachings would cause divisions and opposition from unbelieving family members.

Galatians 6:10 and John 13:34-35, real love and unity exists among Jehovah's servants.


**7

Proverbs 26:4, in other words, will you argue with a mad man?

Proverbs 26:5, compare Matt21:23-26.
Jesus Christ gave a fitting response to his accusers, because it was absolutely necessary.

In a nutshell, Circumstances & situations differ , but apply wisdom always.

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Acts chapter 15 address this issue. Study and find out the answer on the matter of Circumcision.

Shalom

jesusjnr2020:
You're right, perfection begets perfection, and that's why Jesus the only begotten Son of God was perfect, but the same cannot be said of men who weren't begotten of God.

Therefore this has absolutely nothing to do with God and who He begets who are both perfect, but men who are imperfect.

Personally i believe along the line through history men must have distorted Gods words and give us something diffrent....man is wicked....God is truth bt we cannot trust men or those who brought christianity to us...i personally believe the word of God has been tampered with in the past...bt not withstanding does not dispute the fact that God is truth...

michjunior:
Personally i believe along the line through history men must have distorted Gods words and give us something diffrent....man is wicked....God is truth bt we cannot trust men or those who brought christianity to us...i personally believe the word of God has been tampered with in the past...bt not withstanding does not dispute the fact that God is truth...

Jesus Christ lashed out at Scribes,Pharisees, and MOGs... Teachers of the Law who were not chosen by God to Teach His people but assigned themselves as Teachers/gods over His people anyways.

It was only as part of the old Covenant that MOGs known as 'men of God' were set up to teach God's people, the descendants of Israel, about God's commandments and ways. However, the office was hijacked by men who took to installing themselves according to their own rules, as leaders over God's own people, setting themselves up as dictators over God's people where it God and matters that concern God. With His New Covenant, God declared that the office of MOGs null and void. Instead, as part of His new Covenant, God declared He alone will teach His flock about Himself.

So your MOGs, who pretend to be of Jesus Christ, were never set up as Teachers over God's people... they were simply meant to preach the good news of Jesus Christ to those who were not saved... not to install themselves as managers over those who were, but instead, these men have

1. Set themselves up as 'spiritual' leaders/authorities over Jesus Christ's flock

Matthew 20 vs 24-28 (ESV)
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25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

2. Spiritual 'Abbas over those they have been sent out to preach the good news of the Kingdom of God to

Matthew 23 vs 8-9
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8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

3. Planted themselves as go-betweens between God and His flock

Matthew 6 vs 24 (ERV)
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24. “You cannot serve two masters at the same time. You will hate one and love the other, or you will be loyal to one and not care about the other. You cannot serve God and Money[d] at the same time.

4. Established themselves as teachers teaching doctrines and traditions different from what Jesus Christ taught them

Matthew 23 vs 10-12
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10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

5. To add insult to the pile, your MOGs add rules/commandments to the set of rules that God has set up for His people to obey.

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted

If you study the Old Covenant Teachers of the Law, you will find that these were the same infractions Jesus Christ leveled against them while He was here on earth. And He did warn us, using the Old Covenant Teachers of the Law as examples, against men who would establish themselves in a similar manner over His own followers, all while pretending to come to us in the name of God.

I can go on but the truth is, your MOGs exist in direct disobedience to the very commandments of Jesus Christ. Peter, the apostle, warned people about ALL MOGs (False Prophets and Teachers), from about 2000 years ago.

2 Peter 2 vs 1-7 (ERV)
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1. In the past there were false prophets among God’s people. It is the same now. You will have some false teachers in your group. They will teach things that are wrong—ideas that will cause people to be lost. And they will teach in a way that will be hard for you to see that they are wrong. They will even refuse to follow the Master who bought their freedom. And so they will quickly destroy themselves.
2. Many people will follow them in the morally wrong things they do. And because of them, others will say bad things about the way of truth we follow.
3. These false teachers only want your money. So they will use you by telling you things that are not true. But the judgment against these false teachers has been ready for a long time. And they will not escape God who will destroy them.

4. When angels sinned, God did not let them go free without punishment. He sent them to hell. He put those angels in caves of darkness, where they are being held until the time when God will judge them.

5. And God punished the evil people who lived long ago. He brought a flood to the world that was full of people who were against God. But he saved Noah and seven other people with him. Noah was a man who told people about living right.

6. God also punished the evil cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. He burned them until there was nothing left but ashes. He used those cities as an example of what will happen to people who are against God.
7. But he saved Lot, a good man who lived there. Lot was greatly troubled by the morally bad lives of those evil people. 8 This good man lived with those evil people every day, and his good heart was hurt by the evil things he saw and heard.

You are explaining Scriptures out of their context.
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1. They didn't commit murder, they served the will of God. Committing murder is serving the will of the flesh.
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2. Jacob was encountered by an angel of God.
" Are they (angels) not ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? " Heb.1:14
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3.In Eph. the context is saving grace, we were saved by grace through faith. It free. But after we are saved, good work begins, not to earn salvation, we already have it, rather to fulfill the purpose for our been saved...UNTO GOOD WORKS(Eph.2:10). In other words we were not saved BY works but FOR works.
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4.Rom.3:23 was spoken in contrast to the ORIGINAL PLAN OF GOD FOR MAN. Job 1:1 was in contrast to the men of Job's generation. Similar thing was said of Noah, but in contrast to the men of his time.
" These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a JUST man and PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS, and Noah walked with God." Gen.6:9

Continued...
5. During d time of Abraham,there was no law.Where there is no law,sin is not imputed: no one is guilty.It was during d time of Moses after d law had been given that it became incestuous. That's y u quoted Deuteronomy,it was one of the books that contained d many laws God gave to Moses.
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6. There is no peace in d world.There is only peace IN CHRIST.He is d Prince of peace.Until u are in Him,u can't be fulfilled.
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7.They are contextual. There are times wisdom demands u answer a fool according to His foolishness. There are times it demands you don't, let silence speak. It is contextual.
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8. Gen.17:10, it was a seal 4 d covenant dat God had with Abraham. But now,we've a gr8er covenant,a new covenant,& it has made d old one OBSOLETE. And our seal now is no more PHYSICAL CIRCUMCISION but a person,the Spirit of God through whom He circumcises our heart into continuous alignment with Him.
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" For if that first covenant had been faultless,then should no place have been sought for the second." Heb.8:7

Daejoyoung:
But the bible was written by men, inspired men.

Inspired by a perfect being and an omnipotent one for that matter. The product is a far cry from what one might expect.

Dyonne:
Inspired by a perfect being and an omnipotent one for that matter. The product is a far cry from what one might expect.

But the men who wrote the words, are they also perfect beings? Look, the book was compiled by the mind of humans and penned down by human hands in human language to be read and understood by humans. The only skill required to comprehend what is in fact written amounts to basic human language comprehension skills which most humans come equipped with after learning to read and write.

jacoik:
■ If you are the type of person that reads the Bible occasionally, then you should have come across some verses which questions the authenticity of Christianity as a whole.
There are some portions which are so complicated to the extent that it is difficult to understand and interpret what is written. What makes it even more contradicting is the fact that different churches have their own versions of the Bible in which some text were either added, removed or rephrased.
We all know the goal is aimed at worshipping one God but, the issue of having different versions of the bible adds to the confusion, and brings up a question like, if these books were written by the same persons. Most of these contradicting statements can be mostly found in the old testament but, most people claim the laws of the old testament are no longer considered to be very important because most of the texts happened before the coming of the saviour. Still yet we forget that the method of the payment of tithe originated from the old testament.

This is one of the major problems with you Christians and it has to do with the fact that you think you can worship God in confusion. The Old Law is a Law specifically given to the children of Israel in the Land of Israel — the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan. If after so many years of using the name of Jesus Christ, you have not even realized that Law was never meant for you to begin with, you have no business pretending you believe in Jesus Christ.

middlebelter:
You are indeed an occasional reader of the scripture. The Holy Bible is a spiritual book and you only understand some aspects with the type of mindset with which you approach it. If you read with the mind to find faults or contradictions like you have done, the devil that doesn't want you to benefit from reading will load you with thousands of confusion. But if you, one on one with your maker ask God to lead you to the truth about the scriptures on the bottom of your heart, God will never fail to lead you to understanding of the truth.

Remember the same lawyer can twist the same section of law to mean different things to you depending on your understanding of the law, in the same vein, the devil is always ready to lead many without the spirit of God into more confusion especially when their objectives are sinister.

I therefore counsel you, the Holy Bible is not contradictory as you are trying to mislead people, scripture is used to explain the scriptures. If God says thou shall not commit murder and at another point say take your sword and execute judgement on your brother that have committed sin,. Is it not applicable even today? Government says don't commit murder, of you do the arms of the law will catch up with you, however the same government allows soldiers to kill insurgents and bandits that are citizens of this country. Can you see the need for orderliness here?
Please stop misleading people about the scripture, it is a dangerous thing to do. Search him with all your heart in your room all alone, he will manifest if you do.

You only attempted to explain one out of the 10 points. You spent much of your energy criticizing the post instead of providing meaningful answers.

As Christians, our duty is to be the light of the world. We provide answers and meaning to the questions of life. Millions of people have issues with many portions of the bible and instead of accusing them of misleading others when they ask questions, we should provide them with answers. It's ok if you don't know the answers for now but stop attacking people who don't have the same beliefs as you.

My objective is not to. display an encyclopaedic knowledge of the Bible nor answer all his questions, if he is honest with himself and ask the Holy Spirit to speak to him from a sincere heart, God the Holy Ghost will not fail address all the doubts and confusions in his heart. Mine is to give him the formula and back it up with the scriptures.
The matter is so very important , indeed one of the most important issues about life, I there not claim to know all but only appeal to him in Christ'stead .like Paul the Apostle did, "be ye reconcile with God". In this lay his joy and peace.

tctrills:
You only attempted to explain one out of the 10 points. You spent much of your energy criticizing the post instead of providing meaningful answers.

As Christians, our duty is to be the light of the world. We provide answers and meaning to the questions of life. Millions of people have issues with many portions of the bible and instead of accusing them of misleading others when they ask questions, we should provide them with answers. It's ok if you don't know the answers for now but stop attacking people who don't have the same beliefs as you.

middlebelter:
My objective is not to. display an encyclopaedic knowledge of the Bible nor answer all his questions, if he is honest with himself and ask the Holy Spirit to speak to him from a sincere heart, God the Holy Ghost will not fail address all the doubts and confusions in his heart. Mine is to give him the formula and back it up with the scriptures.
The matter is so very important , indeed one of the most important issues about life, I there not claim to know all but only appeal to him in Christ'stead .like Paul the Apostle did, "be ye reconcile with God". In this lay his joy and peace.

That's not how it works. Yes, we have the Holy Spirit yet you still go to church to learn from your fellow men. You ask questions in Sunday School and you are not referred to the Holy Spirit for answers.
The point is, that you need to stop criticizing others for asking questions. It's ok if you don't know the answers but never never try to stop people from asking because someone out there might just have the answer.
Remember, the man beaten up by thieves was not saved by the Holy Ghost or by an angel, he was rescued by the good Samaritan.
You are supposed to be the salt of the earth, the Light of the world.
What is your value if you can't lead the world with your light?

jacoik:
If you are the type of person that reads the Bible occasionally, then you should have come across some verses which questions the authenticity of Christianity as a whole.

There are some portions which are so complicated to the extent that it is difficult to understand and interpret what is written. What makes it even more contradicting is the fact that different churches have their own versions of the Bible in which some text were either added, removed or rephrased.









We all know the goal is aimed at worshipping one God but, the issue of having different versions of the bible adds to the confusion, and brings up a question like, if these books were written by the same persons. Most of these contradicting statements can be mostly found in the old testament but, most people claim the laws of the old testament are no longer considered to be very important because most of the texts happened before the coming of the saviour. Still yet we forget that the method of the payment of tithe originated from the old testament.

Without saying much, let's look at the 10 Bible verses that will make you question the authenticity of Christianity.

1. The first book on this list is Exodus 20:13 according to the Good News version which says "Do not commit murder."

On the same book, Exodus 32:27 says "And he said to them, Thus said the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor."

2. Genesis 32:30 says "Jacob said, I have seen God face-to-face, and I am still alive; so he named the place Peniel."

But John 1:18 says “No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is the same as God and is at the Father's side, he has made him known."

3. Ephesians 2: 8-9 says "For by such grace you have been saved through faith. This does not come from you; it is the gift of God."

James 2:24 says "You observe that a person is justified through actions and not through faith alone."

4. Romans 3:23 says "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

Job 1:1 says "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one that feared God, and turned away from evil."

5. Deuteronomy 27:22 says "Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen!’"

But according to Wikipedia, the Bible and other sources, Abraham and his sister Sarah were married and their marriage was blessed.

6. Matthew 10:34 says "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the world. No, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

John 16:33 says "I have told you this so that you will have peace by being united to me. The world will make you suffer. But be brave! I have defeated the world!"

7. Proverbs 26:4 says "Don't answer a fool according to his foolishness, or you will be just like him."

Proverbs 26:5 says "Answer a fool according to his foolishness, or he will think himself to be wise."

8. Genesis 17:10 says "Here is my covenant that you are to observe, between me and you and your descendants: Every male among you is to be circumcised.”

Galatians 5:2 says "Listen! I, Paul, am telling you that if you allow yourselves to be circumcised, the Messiah will be of no benefit to you.”

You are really confused.