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I am still waiting for your reply to my latest lengthy reply found HERE.

You seem to have mIsTaKeNlY missed it.

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I have personally interact with some deemed elders across Yoruba land as a spiritual researcher of this Yoruba spirituality and culture ,I ask questions as to the origin and meaning of the word Yoruba non up till the time of compiling this work was able to give me satisfactory detail, some will say bi ase dele ba niyen( that is how will meet it). When I got to Oyo town I learn from three people who elders but not literate , They were able to tell me that Yoruba is not our name from the beginning and that they don’t actually known the meaning of the word Yoruba. I went back to Ekiti many illiterate elder confirm authoritatively that we are not Yoruba by name that they don’t even know the meaning of the word Yoruba.

Tao11

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I'm already tired of this back and forth.. from now henceforth, u'll be having this conversation with ur fellow Yoruba people

What does the name “Yoruba” come from?

As an ethnic description, the word "Yoruba" was first recorded in reference to the Oyo Empire in a treatise written by the 16th century Songhai scholar Ahmed Baba.

It was popularized by Hausa usage and ethnography written in Arabic and Ajami during the 19th century, in origin referring to the Oyo exclusively.

The extension of the term to all speakers of dialects related to the usage of the Oyo (in modern terminology North-West Yoruba) dates to the second half of the 19th century.

It is due to the influence of Samuel Ajayi Crowther, the first Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Crowther was himself a Yoruba and compiled the first Yoruba dictionary as well as introducing a standard for Yoruba orthography.

The alternative name Akú, apparently an exonym derived from the first words of Yoruba greetings (such as Ẹ kú àárọ? "good morning", Ẹ kú alẹ? "good evening"wink has survived in certain parts of our diaspora as a self-descriptive, especially in Sierra Leone.

The first name the Yorubas were called was Yoruba.

What does that mean? I carried on, Samuel Ajayi Crowther in his Yoruba dictionary defines ‘Yoruba’ as a bastard and deceitful person in Hausa.

Another description comes from the Dr Taiwo Ayanbolu who insisted Yoruba is a name derived from Hausa language which means deceit. He claimed he found the definition at York Museum in England dating to the 19th century.

It has been recorded that the Hausa-Fulani who had been in contact with the Yoruba even before the rise of Oyo Empire had for some reasons chosen to call us Yoruba, or Yaribansa. Perhaps this might have been a result of Yoruba people’s bargaining skills which often made the Fulani traders fall victim of trade by barter.

Some say that the word Yoruba started protruding during the clash between Yoruba and Fulani that steered the lost of Ilorin to them in the 18th century.

Professor Ade Ajayi in “Yoruba Warfare in the Nineteenth century” insisted that during the indirect rule era, it was necessary for the imperialists to give a unique name to the entire towns and people who spoke Yoruba language.

Somehow, they settled for Yoruba. Yoruba is a deviation of Yoruba which the Yoruba people of that century rejected. The Ijebu, Ijesa and Egba rejected this name vehemently but because during the Kiriji war (the Yoruba civil war) where the collapse of Oyo Empire commenced and the signalling factor the imperialists used to prompt the rule over Oyo from covers.

The name Yoruba was foisted on Oyo and Ibadan mainly on documents and slowly the name Yoruba was enshrined in our culture and hence, our appellation. Research shows that the Egba were the last to accept Yoruba as their appellation, reason coming from facts emanating from the first newspaper published in Yorubaland in 1859, goes: Iwe Iroyin Fun Ara Egba Ati Yoruba. This indicates that the Egba refused the name Yoruba as at 1859.

Furthermore, in the Ifa Corpus there's no Odu where we were referred to as Yoruba, rather, it is as Omo Kaaro Ojiire, Omo Oduduwa or Omoluabi.

Thus said, the word Yoruba is new in our vocabulary and it is a way of showing we accepted a negative appellation dropped on us by hostile foreigners.

Tao11

U missed this excerpt

I have personally interact with some deemed elders across Yoruba land as a spiritual researcher of this Yoruba spirituality and culture ,I ask questions as to the origin and meaning of the word Yoruba non up till the time of compiling this work was able to give me satisfactory detail, some will say bi ase dele ba niyen( that is how will meet it). When I got to Oyo town I learn from three people who elders but not literate , They were able to tell me that Yoruba is not our name from the beginning and that they don’t actually known the meaning of the word Yoruba. I went back to Ekiti many illiterate elder confirm authoritatively that we are not Yoruba by name that they don’t even know the meaning of the word Yoruba.

Tao11

What is the meaning of Yoruba? What language is it? What dialect?

Early in the 19th century, Hugh Clapperton visited what is now Nigeria, first from 1822-1823/4 and then again in 1826. When he got to Sokoto, he asked his host, Sultan Muhammed Bello, (1781-1837; Sultan 1817-1837) what they call their neighbour on the other side of the Niger, whose capital was Katunga (Old Oyo). Sultan Bello told Clapperton that the people on the other side of the Kworra, as the River Niger was then known in Sokoto, were the Ya Riba people. The missionaries that came to lay the ground for the eventual colonization of Africa, both African and European, adopted and corrupted this to Yoruba. As Peter Cohen aptly noted in his article, Orisha Journeys,

“The concept of a single “Yorùbá” people and its baptism with the Hausa term for the inhabitants of Òyó was largely the work of liberated captives and their children returning from Sierra Leone, particularly as Protestant missionaries. The terms by which the descendants of Yorùbá-speakers are known today in the New World – “Nagô” in Brazil, “Nago” in Haiti and Jamaica, “Lucumí” in Cuba, “Akú” in Sierra Leone – emerged as meaningful categories in the context of enslavement and exile.”
Reverend (later Bishop) Samuel Ajayi-Crowther (1806-1891) enshrined it into law when he translated the Bible into what is now known as “Cosmopolitan Yoruba” language based largely on his native Oyo dialect but with inputs from other dialects.

But what exactly does Yarriba mean? It is 188 years hence and the question remains unanswered, yet it is so very simple and obvious. As every true Omo Oduduwa knows, Oruko ni ro eniyan (Your name determines your destiny) and hence if you answer a meaningless name, the chances of a meaningless collective is enhanced. It is like walking around with a fake identity.

Those that are called Yoruba today used to refer to themselves as Omo ile K’a ro Ojire (Children of the land where they greet you “Good Morning, Hope you woke up well”) and everybody has thus since then described them based on this their philosophy. In the New World, they were called the Aku people, a corruption of the Eku Aro o, Eku Osan o, Eku Ishe o, etc (Good Morning, Good Afternoon, Well done, etc) that they constantly say as the outward evidence of their being Omoluabi. Only civilised people understand courtesy and have the time for it. Leo Frobenius describing the art of salutation in Ife in 1913 wrote:
But the salutations are another pair of shoes. Their many variations would seem a striking oddity in Europe. Some of the other Yoruban tribes may be taken as patterns of politeness in their greeting, which may, as we think, be considered overdone. The Ilifians have created such an exquisite gradation, such a sublimely subtle light and shade in ceremonial manner, as would make the heart of an expert, whether ducal teacher of deportment or royal conductor of the ballet, dance with joy. I am, to my regret, extremely badly versed in this department and can only talk of its effect, but not of its more delicate refinements.

When Ilifian men or women salute each other, be it with a plain and easy curtsey (which is here the simplest form adopted), or kneeling down, or throwing oneself upon the ground, no matter which, there is yet a deliberateness, a majesty, a dignity, a devoted earnestness in the manner of its doing, which brings to light with every gesture, with every fold of clothing, the deep significance and essential import of every single action. ……..These people show such an astounding propriety in their manner of managing a dress, a shawl and a coat, such an art in the display of their movements, that the spectator rightly draws the conclusion that time is but of little account in their eyes. And once so convinced, the natural question arises, what does the life look like which goes on behind this beautiful and unanimous masquerading? This is mostly a difficult question, but in this case it is easily answered. I have previously mentioned the high degree of those qualities of intellect and its uses which bear witness to the ancient civilization once possessed by Yorubans.”

Leo Frobenius, Voice of Africa, 1913

"Ya Riba”

The name Yarriba that the Sultan of Sokoto gave to Clapperton is just more of the same. The people who identified themselves as Omo K’aro Ojire were well-known for their courtesy and cultured manners. And they had been this cultured for at least 5 centuries. To illustrate the antiquity of the description Yarriba, the eminent Timbuktu writer, scholar, philosopher, history and Jurist, Ahmed Baba the Black (1556-1627) wrote in the 16th about the neighbours of the Hausas and the Borgus, describing them in Arabic letters which literary translates into YRB. (In Arabic, vowels were not written)

Even today, away from the pulverizing, hustling degrading energies of the “modern” cities that reduces human beings to crabs in a bucket; in places where the Omo K’aro Ojire still manage to exist, vibrating with life’s natural energies, when they get to the market to buy anything, they start first by greeting, and extending goodwill, E k’a ro o, Şé ajé w’o igbá? meaning “Good morning, hope the profits are pouring in. Hope you are making profits?”

And so, the people who call themselves Yoruba today, said in Hausa what they usually say when they go to their own markets, to other merchants. Apparently as far back as the 16th century and right up to the 19th, Omo Ile K’aro Ojire remembered their manners and when they get to the market places where they met the Hausa people, they inquired from them in their usual courteous manner, Ya meaning “How”, or Yi meaning “How about” and řībà, meaning “profit” (See the Dictionary of Hausa-English). Ya-řībà or Yi-řībà- How about profit? Hence they were known as the people that say Ya- řībà: How Profit and so Yarriba and its eventual corruption to Yoruba.

So please even if the current people who are descendants of Omo ile K’aro Ojire now insist on being named by others, in a fate shared by other Africans following the unfortunate invasions of the 19th century, can they please spell it correctly, Yoruba or Yiriba but never Yoruba.
Source:https://shekereblog./2014/06/29/the-meaning-of-yoruba-a-consequence-of-amnesia/amp/ from a Yoruba author
References from

Turner Lorenzo D., «Some Contacts of Brazilian Ex-Slaves with Nigeria, West Africa», Journal of Negro History 27 (1), 1942, pp. 55-67,

Rodrigues Raymundo Nina, Os Africanos no Brasil, São Paulo, Companhia Editora National [1906], 1977 p. 101

Cunha Manuela Carneiro da, Negros, estrangeiros: os esravos libertos e sua volta à África, São Paulo, Editora Brasiliense, 1978., pp 125

all in Cohen Peter F., Orisha Journeys: The Role of Travel in the Birth of Yoruba-Atlantic Religions. Arch. de Sc. soc. des Rel., 2002, 117 (janvier-mars) 17-36

Leo Frobenius, The Voice of Africa, 1913

Tao11.. still no sign of Oyo r'oba...

The only place u can find Oyo r'oba on the internet is nairaland .. the poster ...U .. but guess what.. Searching for Yarba won't take u to nairaland but to the many articles I posted

Tao made spambot ban me thinking I'll stop haunting her with words of her own people

ayoola27:
U missed this excerpt

I have personally interact with some deemed elders across Yoruba land as a spiritual researcher of this Yoruba spirituality and culture ,I ask questions as to the origin and meaning of the word Yoruba non up till the time of compiling this work was able to give me satisfactory detail, some will say bi ase dele ba niyen( that is how will meet it). When I got to Oyo town I learn from three people who elders but not literate , They were able to tell me that Yoruba is not our name from the beginning and that they don’t actually known the meaning of the word Yoruba. I went back to Ekiti many illiterate elder confirm authoritatively that we are not Yoruba by name that they don’t even know the meaning of the word Yoruba.
Tao11

I’ve been searching for hours to see where the eXcErPt cites any early/original account that said “Yoruba” is an Hausa/Fulani word or any foreign word.

Etinosa12345:
U missed this excerpt

I have personally interact with some deemed elders across Yoruba land as a spiritual researcher of this Yoruba spirituality and culture ,I ask questions as to the origin and meaning of the word Yoruba non up till the time of compiling this work was able to give me satisfactory detail, some will say bi ase dele ba niyen( that is how will meet it). When I got to Oyo town I learn from three people who elders but not literate , They were able to tell me that Yoruba is not our name from the beginning and that they don’t actually known the meaning of the word Yoruba. I went back to Ekiti many illiterate elder confirm authoritatively that we are not Yoruba by name that they don’t even know the meaning of the word Yoruba.

Tao11

I’ve been searching for hours to see where the eXcErPt cites any early/original account that said “Yoruba” is an Hausa/Fulani word or any foreign word.

Etinosa12345:
Tao made spambot ban me thinking I'll stop haunting her with words of her own people

@Etinosa1234, I think the schooling I gave you was so much that you now attribute many powers and authorities to me.

Anyways, in case you’ve been thinking that I am so powerful, I actually don’t ban people on Nairaland, neither do I have the power to control spambot.

Stop attributing too much to me.

cc: Etinosa12345, Etinosa123456

I am still waiting for your reply to my latest lengthy reply found HERE.

You seem to have mIsTaKeNlY missed it.

cc: Etinosa1234

cc: Etinosa12345, Etinosa123456, and ayoola27 (the impersonator who so suffered much at my hands).

Tao11

Part one

Tao11
Part two

These children are still mourning the death and befitting burial which their baby kingdom received at my hands — a kingdom which is even foreign to them Oo.

You know what kids?? It has happened already. The truth has already being revealed to the world.

Rather than crying over spilt milk, I would advice that you all pick yourselves up from the ground, dust yourselves up, and move on with life.

Cheers!

Part three
Tao11

Source: https://www.babalawoobanifa.com/2019/07/the-meanings-and-origin-of-word-yoruba.html?m=1

The source u refused to read... apparently Tao knows more than an ifa that took his time to put such a worrying info on the internet

By the way, When u want to reply me, do so with Historical references where the word Oyo r'oba was used coz I won't reply

SpambotLeaveMeNa:
Tao11

Part one

You’ve posted this before from Mr Obanifa.

You’re yet to provide the original account which says Yoruba is an Hausa/Fulani word or any foreign word for that matter.

Cheers!

The only place Oyo r'oba is known is on nairaland...

Painful isn't it?

SpambotLeaveMeNa:
Tao11
Part two

You’ve posted this before from Mr Obanifa.

You’re yet to provide the original account which says Yoruba is an Hausa/Fulani word or any foreign word for that matter.

Cheers!

SpambotLeaveMeNa:
Part three
Tao11

Source: https://www.babalawoobanifa.com/2019/07/the-meanings-and-origin-of-word-yoruba.html?m=1

The source u refused to read

You’ve posted this before from Mr Obanifa.

You’re yet to provide the original account which says Yoruba is an Hausa/Fulani word or any foreign word for that matter.

SpambotLeaveMeNa:
The only place Oyo r'oba is known is on nairaland...

Painful isn't it?

By the way, When u want to reply me, do so with Historical references where the word Oyo r'oba was used coz I won't reply

You mean with a pre-1900 writing?? If so you have to be consistent by also providing me with a pre-1900 writing which says “Bini” is from ”Ile-Ibinu”.

Moreso, the ”Ile-Ibinu” etymology contradicts an earlier
etymology, but that still didn’t stop you.

But in my case when there isn’t even any contradiction, Edo boy screamed yOu’Re nOt aLlOwEd, tHaT iS nOt pRe-1900. Olodo.

Of All the posts i shared, each one said the first time the word Yarba was written was in Ahmed Baba book before being passed into the Hausa language...and definitely Ahmed Baba doesn't speak Yoruba.. But Tao still thinks that the posts doesn't support the fact that the name was foreign..
So Tao11.. Just share one single historical record that reference the word Oyo r'oba to mean Yoruba but instead she's trying to turn the argument in to a whole new debate

Talk abt someone that doesn't want to accept failure

SpambotLeaveMeNa:
Of All the posts i shared, each one said the first time the word Yarba was written was in Ahmed Baba book before being passed into the Hausa language...and definitely Ahmed Baba doesn't speak Yoruba.. But Tao still thinks that the posts doesn't support the fact that the name was foreign.. So Tao11.. Just share one single historical record that reference the word Oyo r'oba to mean Yoruba

I don’t have to speak Igbo language to be able to write the name of the Igbo people in a book I’m working on.

Can you see how you expose your shallowness even more with each reply you give??

TAO11:
I don’t have to speak Igbo language to be able to write the name of the Igbo people in a book I’m working on.

Can you see how you expose your shallowness even more with each reply you give??

Oya before Ahmed Baba book, show me where the word Oyo r'oba was used

Why haven't u shown me na? ...Shebi u be historian

Simple Question she nor fit answer...
She nor fit counter one of the article I posted... always repeating the same gibberish

Until she starts by scrutinising the articles i posted...I take it that she's in tears and only trying to save the little dignity she has left

When someone is being killed, he does his best to bring his killer down with him...

Tao11 .. Don't argue with me na....if u are sure of ur knowledge, why don't u enter National TV and educate ur people that they are wrong

I'm sure they have been wanting to hear it

SpambotLeaveMeNa:
Oya before Ahmed Baba book, show me where the word Oyo r'oba was used

Why haven't u shown me na? ...Shebi u be historian

Okay I’m glad you’re finally seeing your dumbness.

No where did Ahmed Baba say he was writing about etymology.

This word seem to be too much for you: “ETYMOLOGY”.

He was merely discussing different peoples, just as any book today may talk about, for example, trade relationship between the “Bini” and the “Igbo” peoples.

The etymology of their respective names does not have to accompany the names each time the names are mentioned. In fact, that is the last thing that may come to such writer’s mind.

Is your skull that thick??

SpambotLeaveMeNa:
When someone is being killed, he does his best to bring his killer down with him...

Tao11 .. Don't argue with me na....if u are sure of ur knowledge, why don't u enter National TV and educate ur people that they are wrong

I'm sure they have been wanting to hear it

Like I often say, ocean of sorrows and frustration do not need refutation because they’re self-refuting.

If you had an intellectual content, you won’t have bothered at all with distraction.

Like I noted above, here is the source of all Bini frustrations and sorrows on Nairaland:

These children are still mourning the death and befitting burial which their baby kingdom received at my hands — a kingdom which is even foreign to them Oo.

You know what kids?? It has happened already. The truth has already being revealed to the world.

Rather than crying over spilt milk, I would advice that you all pick yourselves up from the ground, dust yourselves up, and move on with life.

Cheers!

cc: Etinosa1234, Etinosa12345, Etinosa123456.

In fact, let me copy your soon-to-be-created moniker: Etinosa1234567.

Copying also ayoola27 the impersonator.

Moreover, you’re yet to reply that comment where I gave you a devastating refutation of your ignorant contentions.

Do I take it that you got schooled and spanked in that comment??

https://www.nairaland.com/6064389/return-igbos-migrated-idu-igodomigodo/12#93155002

ayoola27:
U missed this excerpt

I have personally interact with some deemed elders across Yoruba land as a spiritual researcher of this Yoruba spirituality and culture ,I ask questions as to the origin and meaning of the word Yoruba non up till the time of compiling this work was able to give me satisfactory detail, some will say bi ase dele ba niyen( that is how will meet it). When I got to Oyo town I learn from three people who elders but not literate , They were able to tell me that Yoruba is not our name from the beginning and that they don’t actually known the meaning of the word Yoruba. I went back to Ekiti many illiterate elder confirm authoritatively that we are not Yoruba by name that they don’t even know the meaning of the word Yoruba.

Tao11

Lol....ahaa.....are you serious?



this is hilarious....ffk said same thing.




Well if yoruba means a derogatory word and has no meaning even for the people named with it, they can answer omoluabi, omo odua...

Etinosa1234:
Funny how u counter ur self... That we had encounter with them doesn't mean we are Yoruba...
Look at French and English... They had encounter with each other but will u say they are the same

Take ur advise at the bolded and stop unnecessary stories

The french-English encounter is more of technology, fight not historical cross lines.

I have seen a Bini man answering Tunde, have also seen benin answering Olusegun, Rotimi...have also seen Bini answering akerele ( Yoruboid related name). Are these names rooted or mere historical coincidence or simply names rooted according to the people's ancestry.


Have you ever seen a Bini man answering Obi, Ada, Nduka, Ossai..etc...then it baffles me how history that should be straight forward is now a reverse one.

It is made up stories if to say.


What do all these explain to you?

frankdoz:
THE RETURN OF SOME IGBOS THAT MIGRATED TO IDU/IGODOMIGODO AND IDAH BEFORE 800AD.

Recently I have heard a few of people who say some igbo speakers who also bear igbo native names are not igbos , some claim they came from either Benin or igala .Or some self acclaimed historians claim igbos are not of same ancestors.Some even went ahead to say igbo was imposed on them.There is a saying that a lie repeated too often will be assumed to be true.This article is to address some of the misconceptions and prove that igbos are one people, same ancestor wether your migration story is from Idu(Benin) or igala. .

1.Idah and igodomigodo/idu are part of the earliest sphere of igbo migration before 8th century AD. Migration is part of human evolution and humans are not static. Igbos have always moved from one location to the other in search of greener pastures and arable land for farming from prehistoric times and igbos are known for that even till today.

2.According to Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel) ,the igbo area of southeastern Nigeria is one of the most populous region of sub-saharan Africa ,with a human density of 1,000 per square mile.In addition, in the book,cambridge history of Africa before 1600AD,it stated that the population distribution of eastern Nigeria is a high density belt.So it's not surprising that igbos from prehistoric times had migrated to Idah and Delta-Benin environs due to high population density in search for arable virgin land for farming which was there major occupation .This movement is estimated to have occurred before 8th century AD, long before the advent of kingdoms in idah and Benin which subsequently led to the recoil of these igbos back to the eastern region.

3.Igbos have formed part of the nucleus of the multiethnic population at Idah before the settling of igalas and advent of igala kingdom. Its on record, as documented by G,T BASDEN(among the igbos of Nigeria) and Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel) that the awka blacksmithers travel beyond the borders of ibo country ,north into igala, ibaji, idoma,warri and beyond, casting bronze,brass iron bells,hoes,according to specifications.Most times awka blacksmithers spend months and years away from igboland plying there trade and the possibility of establishing igbo settlements at these distant places can not be ruled out.This trade is estimated to have begun before 8th century AD (igbo ukwu bronzes) but however it became apparent in the 14th century AD following excavations made at awka (D.D HARTLE, 1966 page 26),GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (Africa from 7th -11th century AD page 522.

4.Awka Smith always worked alongside Nri priest(patron and founder of the Ozo title) and they made and fabricated the ozor staff(ofor) ,iron bells and other ritual staves for the Nri priest. It's on record that the Nri Influence extended beyond the igbo sphere into southern igala where igbos had earlier migrated and Idu/igodomigodo which later became Benin ,Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel).

5.Nri Influence (9AD) extended beyond the shores of igboland into south of igala and igodomigodo(igbanke igbos in present Edo state) all of which igbos had earlier migrated in prehistoric times,(according to a book GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (Africa from 7th -11th century AD by M.El Fasi) .On the west of Niger River,Nri priests along side Awka blacksmithers Made Ofor wands(staffs) for igbos along that axis(from Anioma down to Benin(igbanke igbos).Ichi facial scarification were also Noted among igbos in Delta and eastern side.They maintained ties of loyalty with Nri priestly cult by cleansing grave social infractions and abominations and conferring of rights of leadership (interesting narratives of olaudah equano 1745AD and Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel) .So there was a prehistoric movement of igbos up north (idah) ,followed by migration and drift downward of igala from Wakuri in Taraba (Attah of igala HRH Dr Michael Idakwo-punch 2017) and migration of some igala into northern igboland to seek refuge due to raids in the extreme north of igala by sokoto jihadists in 1834 (igbo-igala borderlands by Austin.J.Shelton page 18).Igala later(late 1800) imperial Influence on northern igboland was kept in check by activities of the Aro.

In an interview granted to Obi agbogidi chukwunwike anyasi of odumuje-unor kingdom, delta state,he clearly stated that Nri priests performed rituals at the palace of Oba of Benin (genesis of migration of Ezechima to Benin from igboland) and this point was further supported by M.D W Jeffrey in his book Oreli mask Nigerian field, volume 10.He noted that Nri priests were performing certain ritual functions at the installation of a new oba of Benin.

6.As noted by Nancy Neaher,Nri Influence extended beyond northern igboland into idah where igbo settlements had earlier dispersed(ibaji,akpanya, olamaboro) from prehistoric times before the establishment of igala kingdom .Nri priests,along side Awka blacksmithers made iron bells, hoes,armlets,leg bands in igala and took over production (Boston 1964). R.N Henderson noted in the book GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (Africa from 7th -11th century AD ) that royal bells made by awka blacksmithers were included in the burial of igala kings.In exchange for the services rendered, the awka blacksmithers brought back dried fish,maize,yams,elephant hair necklaces and horses which they used for sacrifice Alusi (Nancy Neaher ). The true igala/Benin migrants Into igboland are few and mostly located at the igbo-igala ,Benin-igbanke igbos borderlands and those migrants met existing igbo settlements on ground.

7. Its important to note that the subsequent rise of igala kingdom in the north and Benin empire in south led to the decline of Nri Influence in the igbo country that span from the borders of Benin (igbanke igbos in present Edo state ) down south and akpotos(igala/idah) up north and ijaw being there closest neighbours in the Delta borders (G.T BASDEN "among the ibos of Nigeria) page 28.

8.With the rise of Benin kingdom in the south and hostilities in the kingdom, many of these igbos that had migrated there prior to this time (Ezechima, Akalaka etc) began to return home.There deliberate migration towards the east, crossing the Niger river back to Onitsha shows they knew where they came from.As already noted in the book, cambridge history of Africa before 1600AD,page 273,the density of population in eastern region was already high before 1600AD when Ezechima and family is said to have left Idu/igodomigodo. So migrating in reverse, against an already densely populated area must be a deliberate move heading home and its unlikely they arrived onitsha a virgin land.

9.Thesame recoil event Also happened with igbos already spread up north to idah.The igala kingdom and subsequent hostilities,many of these igbos returned back to Nsuka,Enugu Ezike northern igbo borders. please note.non of the said igbos that returned from Benin or idah spoke any other language on arrival to igboland except igbo.They all had igbo names and spoke igbo on arrival to igboland. No history book documented they spoke any other language other than igbo.This further proves that they had already migrated there in prehistoric times and only returned back home.As igbos have always been decentralized societies,with the priestly cult of Nri widely known and fulfilling the needs of igbos at that time all over igboland, the system of government is not military. it's not surprising if the history of early kings of agbor are from Benin. origin of kingship is not always origin of a people. The rise of igala or Benin kingdom may have Imposed some conventions among igbos within there sphere, but that doesn't take away the fact they have always been there and retained there igbo identity.

10.So contrary to what some believe that some igbos are not of same ancestor, igbos have always been one and ancestral in there land.wether your migration story says your ancestors migrated from around Benin or igala, igbos have always been igbos and those that migrated to distant places only returned back home because archaeological findings have shown igbos are aboriginal occupants of southern Nigeria with settlements dating since 3000BC.(Thurstan Shaw-Radiocabon dating in Nigeria, 1968.

By professor Ofoegbu R.N with contributions from Dr Benson and Dr Opone.C

Dated 28/7/2020.
REFERENCES:
1.G.T BASDEN "among the ibos of Nigeria ,first published 1921.
2.Cambridge history of Africa from 1600AD to 1790,first edited by Rìchard Gray,by J.D Fage.
3.GENERAL HISTORY OF AFRICA (Africa from 7th -11th century AD by M.El Fasi)
4. HRH,Obi agbogidi chukwunwike Anyasi of odumuje-unor kingdom, delta state,
5.Interesting narratives of the life of Olaudah Equano 1745AD.
6.Nancy C.Neaher(awka who travel,Itinerant metalsmiths of southern Nigeria.
7.Oral tradition of UmuEri clan on the founding of igala by Eri.
8.(igbo-igala borderlands by Austin.J.Shelton page 18).

Courtesy Chris Uniman

Never see any man as confused as an Igbo man. One day they say are Jews and the lost children of Jezebel. And the next day they will say that they miragrated from return from Benin.
Innoson motors is beta than Benz,
Aba shoes is beta than timberland,
they have more population than China.

I advise federal government to build more primary school in the East. Selling and hawking at a tender and early stage of their lives have crack their brain.

MelesZenawi:
The french-English encounter is more of technology, fight not historical cross lines.

I have seen a Bini man answering Tunde, have also seen benin answering Olusegun, Rotimi...have also seen Bini answering akerele ( Yoruboid related name). Are these names rooted or mere historical coincidence or simply names rooted according to the people's ancestry.


Have you ever seen a Bini man answering Obi, Ada, Nduka, Ossai..etc...then it baffles me how history that should be straight forward is now a reverse one.

It is made up stories if to say.


What do all these explain to you?

Yes, I've seen Benin people bearing Ada, Ossai and the likes

I don't know abt Igbo oo but in Benin, we don't give our children names that we have no meaning of...

Let's look at Oba Akenzua daughter... She bears Elizabeth oluwo... But did u know how she got the name?... By marriage to a Yoruba person

Those people u are mentioning, most are born of families with two different tribes. In my dept, I have a coursemate bearing Osas Favor Seyi... He's Benin but who gave him the Yoruba name? His mother's family...
Do u think that in Igbo tradition, only the father's side name the children, what abt the mother's... Now imagine if the Igbo person married a Yoruba person, then there's a high chance of the Child bearing names from both tribes but they are not
That's how they get those names u think are part of Benin but they are not

When I was in year 1, I had a roommate bearing Osazuwa Samuel Chukwuma... And he claims to be from Edo state.At first , I thought he was Benin, he said no, Then I asked him Igbo, he still said no...then I asked him his tribe, then he told me igbanke...that was the first time I heard of igbanke in my life...

After saying all this, let me ask u abt Rotimi Amaechi... I think Amaechi attested to being Igbo, but hearing only Rotimi in his name, won't u conclude he's Yoruba at First glance?

Also let me note that Akoko Edo are Yoruba people that stay in Edo