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basilico:
Its always said the best n perfect footballers are spectators.They are also the best coaches.

The police should have waited for him to open his car door, get his gun or guns out, waited for him to point the gun at them, actually pull the trigger to confirm the gun had ammo before shooting him.

basilico:
Its always said the best n perfect footballers are spectators.They are also the best coaches.

The police should have waited for him to open his car door, get his gun or guns out, waited for him to point the gun at them, actually pull the trigger to confirm the gun had ammo before shooting him.

obixcel:

salford1:
And how do you just know he has a gun, or he poses a deadly threat to the policemen or is it police men and woman.
You are just making assumptions. Anyway, the court will decide. I am not a lawyer neither do I claim to be one.

Hopefully, you won't be in a situation where FSARs would have to shoot 7 times in front of your kids (if you have) as you reach for maybe a wallet in your car.

basilico:
I mentioned above that incase a suspect is not following orders , its better to equip all cops with bulletproof transparent shields . This will reduce casualty incidences of
a) Suspects who are just plain disobedient OR
b) Police making a wrong judgement.

VICE: What laws give cops the ability to use force, up to and including deadly force?

Paul H. Robinson: In all of these cases, there are really two different defenses at work. One is what's called the "law enforcement authority," that is, police officers are given a special right to use force that might otherwise be assault in order to make arrests. But the right to self-defense and the right to defense of others apply as well.

So for example, if a police officer shot somebody in order to arrest them for a misdemeanor, they're not authorized to use lethal force [in that case]. But if the person who they're arresting resists and threatens them with serious bodily injury, then they're not limited to the force that's authorized by the law enforcement authority—they then have the same right to self-defense that any citizen has.

In other words, if you're a cop and you move to cuff me because you saw me shoplifting and I pull out a knife, you can shoot me. And police officers don't have any special rights in that situation when they're directly under attack?

When police officers are under direct attack, they have the same right to use force as any citizen would. Now, what force can they use? That's when necessity and proportionality comes in.

Cops can only use force if it's necessary, and they have to use the least amount of force that is necessary. So if you can subdue somebody by grabbing them and throwing them to the ground, then you can't shoot and kill them. If you have a choice, you have to select the least harmful choice. This necessity requirement also has a timing component: You can't anticipate that someone's going to attack you. You have to wait until they do, and it becomes necessary for you in time to defend yourself.

The proportionality requirement says, even if this force is necessary to make an arrest or defend yourself, you still can't use that force if it exceeds a certain amount. This is where the use of lethal force has some special rules attached to it. You can only defend yourself with lethal force if you're threatened with serious bodily injury. If someone is threatening to push you to the ground, that's not serious bodily injury, so even if the only way to keep yourself from being pushed to the ground is to shoot the person, you can't. There are a number of jurisdictions where even if you're threatened with serious bodily injury, you can't use lethal force if you could just walk away. If you're in public and you can walk away safely, even if this creep is threatening you with serious bodily injury, your obligation is to walk away before you shoot him. This is the "stand-your-ground" debate, where [the laws in some states] say, "No, it's his fault, and if he's threatening you, you don't have to retreat." Other states say, "No, let's not have the confrontation." (This rule about retreating does not apply to the cops.)

salford1:
I refrain from discussing what I do not know much about. I am an engineer by training not a lawyer, but I did a quick google and this was what a professor of Law in the US said:

basilico:
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I refrain from discussing what I do not know much about. I am an engineer by training not a lawyer, but I did a quick google and this was what a professor of Law in the US said:



About the police I was just pointing out the difficult scenariois cops go thru, they get vilified over split second decisions.

salford1:
Well. That's why they pay them lots of money. If someone can't stand the weight and risk that comes with the job, then better to resign than kill someone and the law throws the book at you.

basilico:
Everyone should just obey. How does a cop know you aint going to shoot at him?

salford1:
If your first instinct is to fire 7 bullet into the back of anyone that reaches for a wallet or a car, then maybe that person should not be a cop after all.

Extremely graphic: Someone at the #KenoshaRiots was just shot in the head. @livesmattershow was there to record it. https://t.co/dH1t5M4AIK

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) August 26, 2020

Minent:
Recently, someone got shot in the head!
I hope our BLM members can protest this one too.
No police involved.


Imagine people calling for the replace and defund of the police, are now shouting..... Call The Police!

SMH......

Extremely graphic: Someone at the #KenoshaRiots was just shot in the head. @livesmattershow was there to record it. https://t.co/dH1t5M4AIK

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) August 26, 2020

Goodvibes007:
Trump's America for you.
Trump has brought chaos and division to America.

Minent:
It was never Trump

sexylassie2:
The more black people continue to destroy what people
build the more hatred and racism against black people grow.

wirinet:
And you have evidence that it's black people or only black people that are destroying what people built. It is your own hatred of black people that continues to grow.

donjazet:
It is very painful when you see black people justifying the death of a fellow black man who was by all accounts WRONGFULLY MURDERED.

These kind of excuses and justifications are what white people will give to justify their unconscious racial bias, but when you see your fellow black man giving these kind of excuses, you weep for the persons stupidity.

A man was walking away from the cop towards his car and a poorly trained cop unleashes SEVEN bullets upon the man killing him instantly on the spot IN FRONT OF his children, and your first instinct is to buy into the white racists' justification that he MAY have been reaching for his gun or a weapon, you go further to bring up his past to somehow justify his murder.

How can some black people be soo stupid because of politics??
Where is your empathy? Where is your sense of sympathy for his children who have now lost their father unnecessarily?
Have you thought of the trauma those children will have to live with for the rest of their lives having directly witnessed this?

Do you know how many times and for how long black people have lost their lives unnecessarily in the hands of whiteman there? Do you really think that the millions of people all over the world who truly defend the words BLACK LIVES MATTER are foolish?

Any black person who will defend the murder of a fellow black man is very stupid.

Minent:
You guys needs to watch this before you judge a police officer.


Please watch this....



https://twitter.com/i/status/1298330729890242561

basilico:
About the police I was just pointing out the difficult scenariois cops go thru, they get vilified over split second decisions.

basilico:
Everyone should just obey. How does a cop know you aint going to shoot at him?

Minent:
Recently, someone got shot in the head!
I hope our BLM members can protest this one too.
No police involved.


Imagine people calling for the replace and defund of the police, are now shouting..... Call The Police!

SMH......

Extremely graphic: Someone at the #KenoshaRiots was just shot in the head. @livesmattershow was there to record it. https://t.co/dH1t5M4AIK

— Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) August 26, 2020

wirinet:
And you have evidence that it's black people or only black people that are destroying what people built. It is your own hatred of black people that continues to grow.

donjazet:
It is very painful when you see black people justifying the death of a fellow black man who was by all accounts WRONGFULLY MURDERED.

These kind of excuses and justifications are what white people will give to justify their unconscious racial bias, but when you see your fellow black man giving these kind of excuses, you weep for the persons stupidity.

A man was walking away from the cop towards his car and a poorly trained cop unleashes SEVEN bullets upon the man killing him instantly on the spot IN FRONT OF his children, and your first instinct is to buy into the white racists' justification that he MAY have been reaching for his gun or a weapon, you go further to bring up his past to somehow justify his murder.

How can some black people be soo stupid because of politics??
Where is your empathy? Where is your sense of sympathy for his children who have now lost their father unnecessarily?
Have you thought of the trauma those children will have to live with for the rest of their lives having directly witnessed this?

Do you know how many times and for how long black people have lost their lives unnecessarily in the hands of whiteman there? Do you really think that the millions of people all over the world who truly defend the words BLACK LIVES MATTER are foolish?

Any black person who will defend the murder of a fellow black man is very stupid.