₦airaland Forum

SonOfEl:
Nobody is forcing anybody.

In the distant past, there was no such thing as igbo. What obtained then was Waawa, ngwa, ikwerre, ibeku, onitsha, Arochukwu, Ohafia, Owerri, Obigbo, idemili, mbaise, Ubakala, Ogbaru, Aniocha, Asaba, Nsukka, Nnewi, etc. But one language and culture United them all as Igbo...kapish?

Shut it

Ikwerre no be igbo.

Bkayyy:
I'm really ashamed with all these so called igbos on nairaland. NE sia ife unu no ebea akparisi onwe unu.
Imagine putting Ndigbo with all these half and half things like ikwerre and delta igbo in the same sentence. Well I don't blame you people na wetin being born and bred in South West dey cause. I remember when I was discussing with someone in Lagos and one delta igbo guy wan put mouth, I ask am you be igbo? Him say I be delta igbo, na there the matter end. Imagine a full Nwafor is talking and one half and half thing dey put mouth

The so called Igbos on nairaland are pathetic and has no bearing.


They are busy dragging what is totally inconsequential.

MelesZenawi:
Shut it

Ikwerre no be igbo.

.....so says their nairaland spokesman....otondo....I personally don't want them to be Igbo, but unfortunately for me, they are.

MelesZenawi:
The so called Igbos on nairaland are pathetic and has no bearing.


They are busy dragging what is totally inconsequential.

Mumu, try to decipher contexts before typing...

SonOfEl:
.....so says their nairaland spokesman....otondo....I personally don't want them to be Igbo, but unfortunately for me, they are.

They are ur neighbors in Abia state. Make una stop to disturb others with una matter.


nobody cares.

SonOfEl:
Mumu, try to decipher contexts before typing...

Next

kollinzgee:
Don't get me wrong I believe its is a 50/50 thing not all , there are etches who believe they are Igbos and they are those who dont believe however the learned ones will easily decide the truth.

DNA test says it all, Etche , Ikwerre and Igbos are not even close, but are the same, all those Benin talk has no bases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d4VwLVVXpA

ikwerre which way?

kollinzgee:
Maybe you should first ask yorubas why they always include kwarra and kogi in Yorubaland since its in the North.

Bro you are a wise man. I'm not even Igbo. I'm Ijaw from Port Harcourt. But we have so much in common. I just laugh when I see igboid group in PH denying their igboness. They've been fed junk for years. They want to divide and conquer all of us. I'm glad some youths are enlightened and know better

kollinzgee:
Maybe you should first ask yorubas why they always include kwarra and kogi in Yorubaland since its in the North.

And this map is kinda funny. There's no way sapele and warri will be part their Independent republic

kollinzgee:
I am not here to a force Igbo identity on any group of people as it is normally done here in nairaland I believe every human being has the right to choose their identity.i am from etchie local government in rivers state throughout my childhood I was told I am not Igbo which I believed, but as I grew up to become an adult I decided to put sentiment aside and face reality.it all started when I gained admission into yabatech in Lagos ,at one time it became mandatory to join a cultural group in school that relates to your ethnic group at first I was confused then I asked myself should I join Yoruba,Igbo or Hausa group in school of course I naturally joined the Igbo group since we are related which I believe a decision I believe any one in my shoes will naturally make.

As time went on we had meetings every weekends we contribute money it was more like a club.i took it serious because because we always have this feast at the end of every semester since I naturally love food I never miss any . .
Through my stay in that meeting I realised something, we are not different from this Igbo people the infact we are a part of the Igbo race.

There is this popular belief in my family that we etches and Ikwerre migrated from Benin i have always believed this ideology until I was opportuned to read an old history book written by our colonial masters in the library , I learned a lot about igbos .do you know Igbos once had tribal marks just like that of yorubas?do you know Igbos were the most difficult ethnic group to be colonised by British the resistance was bloody the stubbornness we still maintain till this day .

I have some questions and I stand to be corrected...

(1)My fellow rivers brothers if we are different from Igbos why do we bear the same names with them?why do our towns and cities bear Igbo names I guess these towns and villahes have being named thousands of years ago before our generation.

(2)is there any ethnic group in the world that bears the same name with its land,in Yorubaland where i was raised there is no place called Yoruba in Yorubaland. There is no place in hausa in hausaland.how come every Igbo speaking group outside the southeast bears the same name with its land? Etche ethnic group in etche local government,ika local government is ika people,Ikwerre local government is Ikwerres people it's so confusing and never seen before.

3) as a learned person if you ask me to define an ethnic group (tribe) I would tell you an ethnic group is a group of people who have similar language,name ,culture,food etc and it must be different from all other groups.how come we have almost 80% similarity with Igbos but we want to be different from them doesn't that confuse you.

(4)where is our Benin heritage?i had Benin friends when I was in school I can bet you there is no single similarity in our languages and style,How come there is no single Benin heritage left in our culture and language .did our ancestors develop amnesia? If it's true our Igbos influenced our culture and language how come the ogonis and ijaws in Kalabari did not adopt Igbo language despite how tiny they are?

Truth and common sense over sentiments anytime and anydaye, I am not a minority ethnic group I am Igbo the rest of can deny your Identity i am not part of you.

Ask any of your elders:

1. Why was PH under Owerrii county in the 40s and 50s
2. Before oil was discovered, where did your elders go for employment. Why did they classify themselves as Igbos before the civil war.
3. Most important, ask them what Obigbo means in Benin.
4. Then ask them if they benefitted from the abandoned property stolen from inland Igbos. If they say yes, then you will understand their guilty conscience dissociation from Igbos that began immediately Biafra was defeated.

Oh, BTW, you will get many distractions from Yoruba folks who think their only mission in life is to remind Eastern Nigerian minority groups that they are not Igbos----and for their own selfish reasons too.

chiiraq802: History says United States of America migrated from Britain.... Both United States of America and Britain speaks English....but you can never identify a US man as a British man despite the fact they migrated from UK....


Allow people identify with there various ethnic groups in Nigeria,,,
abeg!!! we no dey 1960
grin

Meanwhile.... we have more than 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria alone, Igbo is one of them likewise Ikwerre.
I no understand why a particular ethnic group would want to colonize another ethnic group, for this computer generation ahhhaaahhh!!!!

Above crap is one of the most idiotic analogies I have ever read on this forum. How does a human being remotely conjure any form of analogy between Ikwerre and Igbo in one hand and United States of America and Britain in the other? Sometimes it is a waste of the time wondering about the future of Nigeria. A country whose youth reasons a thoughtless crap posted above can never have a good leadership.

eduj:
My SE brethren, we should ignore threads
like this as much as possible.
our elders would say that no matter the ugliness of the vulture ,it's still a bird ,while despite the beauty of the white rat ,it's still a common rat.
when the day of reckoning arrives,we would see if the bat would claim to be a member of the council of birds,mammals or a flying rodent

hahahahaha

Dedetwo:
Above crap is one of the most idiotic analogies I have ever read on this forum. How does a human being remotely conjure any form of analogy between Ikwerre and Igbo in one hand and United States of America and Britain in the other? Sometimes it is a waste of the time wondering about the future of Nigeria. A country whose youth reasons a thoughtless crap posted above can never have a good leadership.

Oga!! stop writing epistle....what i know and i know you know is that Ikwerre and Igbo are two different ethnic groups....so carry your epistle shift comot for my mention.

spiritmasquerad:
That i do not know but the founder of our town was Ikeke who migrated from Bini from a community called Idumu-Ogie which is still there infact the name Idumuje is Esan

^^^Idumuje Ugboko where Ned Nwoko is from is another town in Aniocha North of Delta State of Bini/Esan ancestry. Yoruba ancestry from Owo, Ife/Usen in Edo State (migrated through Esanland centuries ago) exist today in Aniocha North among the bilingual Olukunmi people of the towns of Ugbodu and Eko Efun (meaning Ukwu Nzu in Ibo) among other Olukunmi towns. The ANIOMA come from many ethnic origins (Yoruba, Igala, Esan, Bini, Nri, etc).

RuggedSniper:
^^^Idumuje Ugboko where Ned Nwoko is from is another town in Aniocha North of Delta State of Bini/Esan ancestry. Yoruba ancestry from Owo, Ife/Usen in Edo State (migrated through Esanland centuries ago) exist today in Aniocha North among the bilingual Olukunmi people of the towns of Ugbodu and Eko Efun (meaning Ukwu Nzu in Ibo) among other Olukunmi towns. The ANIOMA come from many ethnic origins (Yoruba, Igala, Esan, Bini, Nri, etc).

Theres only one thing I do not get. If Idumuje Ugboko is of Bini/ Esan heritage, why is it that everyone there speaks Igbo as their native language and have an Igbo surname? What happend to the Bini/Esan heritage? This place is just about an hour drive to Esan land

kollinzgee:
Please make more research its the same way yorubas are told their ancestors (oduduwa) fell from the sky with snail shell and and hen something we know is impossible

The Yorubas know that the "sky descending" story is an allegory/mythology. Yoruba people and history existed before the rise of the Oduduwa Dynasty in Ife and this is an open secret in Yorubaland.

chuka5000:
the funniest of them all Is anioma people of delta, they speak pure Igbo, dress the Igbo cultural way, answer pure Igbo names but decided to answer another name and then become minority even in their own state where they're supposed to be the majority

i dont understand this your "in their own state " remark
what are you trying to say

kingzizzy:
Theres only one thing I do not get. If Idumuje Ugboko is of Bini/ Esan heritage, why is it that everyone there speaks Igbo as their native language and have an Igbo surname? What happend to the Bini/Esan heritage? This place is just about an hour drive to Esan land

^^^Acculturation caused it and partly British rule. These people spoke their original languages/dialects... Then they became bilingual due to trading activities among the many ethnicities in that area of Delta North who used dialects of Ibo for communication. An Agbor (Ika) indigene from a royal lineage posted here on NL years back that it was during the British colonialism that the foreigners introduced Ibo language for education and religious instruction. She said they resisted the use of Ibo in their church by a priest when the Ika language (which has Edo and Iboid mix) should have been used in church. The Olukunmis also speak a mix of Yoruba and Iboid mix in Ugbodu town and Ukwunzu town, with the later being more Ibonized. Eko Efun means "white chalk" in Olukunmi language or Ukwunzu in Ibo. Nduka Ugbade, the captain of the victorious 1985 China U-15 World Cup Team is from the Olukunmi town of Ugbodu in Aniocha North not far from Onicha Ugbo which has Bini and Nri migrations in some of the quarters. Hope this helps.

RuggedSniper:
^^^Acculturation caused it and partly British rule. These people spoke their original languages/dialects... Then they became bilingual due to trading activities among the many ethnicities in that area of Delta North who used dialects of Ibo for communication. An Agbor (Ika) indigene from a royal lineage posted here on NL years back that it was during the British colonialism that the foreigners introduced Ibo language for education and religious instruction. She said they resisted the use of Ibo in their church by a priest instead of using the Ika language which has Edo and Iboid mix. The Olukunmis also speak a mix of Yoruba and Iboid mix in Ugbodu town and Ukwunzu town, with the later being more Ibonized. Eko Efun means "white chalk" in Olukunmi language or Ukwunzu in Ibo. Nduka Ugbade, the captain of the victorious 1985 China U-15 World Cup Team is from the Olukunmi town of Ugbodu in Aniocha North not far from Onicha Ugbo which has Bini and Nri migrations in some of the quarters. Hope this helps.

Dude , you have not a single healthy brain cells in your cranium. This post is so pathetic. The Delta Igbo has no single record of a lost language and Igbo are not empire builders that impose laws , culture and force in their subjects. Do you think you made any sense ?

RuggedSniper:
^^^Acculturation caused it and partly British rule. These people spoke their original languages/dialects... Then they became bilingual due to trading activities among the many ethnicities in that area of Delta North who used dialects of Ibo for communication. An Agbor (Ika) indigene from a royal lineage posted here on NL years back that it was during the British colonialism that the foreigners introduced Ibo language for education and religious instruction. She said they resisted the use of Ibo in their church by a priest when the Ika language (which has Edo and Iboid mix) should have been used in church. The Olukunmis also speak a mix of Yoruba and Iboid mix in Ugbodu town and Ukwunzu town, with the later being more Ibonized. Eko Efun means "white chalk" in Olukunmi language or Ukwunzu in Ibo. Nduka Ugbade, the captain of the victorious 1985 China U-15 World Cup Team is from the Olukunmi town of Ugbodu in Aniocha North not far from Onicha Ugbo which has Bini and Nri migrations in some of the quarters. Hope this helps.

There is still something that does not make sense. Even if you can explain that these people lost their language due to interactions and trading with Igbos, which is even difficult to believe since Edo is not that far away, what nobody has been able to explain is why their surnames are Igbo?

Why would an Edo/Bini/Esan migrant forget the surname of his ancestors and adopt an Igbo surname? Makes no sense

kingzizzy:
There is still something that does not make sense. Even if you can explain that these people lost their language due to interactions and trading with Igbos, which is even difficult to believe since Edo is not that far away, what nobody has been able to explain is why their surnames are Igbo?

Why would an Edo/Bini/Esan migrant forget the surname of his ancestors and adopt an Igbo surname? Makes no sense

Read my post again. 'White chalk' in Olukunmi/Yoruba is Eko Efun... But in Ibo it means Ukwunzu. The indigenes simply translated the name of their town from Eko Efun to Ukwunzu which mean the same thing (white chalk deposits/mining exists in the town) but in different languages. So we can assume that this is how folks who are not originally migrants from the eastern side of River Niger adopted Ibo translation of their ethnic names in Aniocha North which shares direct boundaries with Esanland and Ikaland! Since 1991, I've read about the fantastic history and interacted with people of the ANIOMA area who are NOT monolithic in ethnic origin. Each ANIOMA town has a knowledge of where they and their ancestors originally migrated from... i.e, Igala, Yoruba, Esan, Bini, Nri, Nteje, etc.

A Yoruba man teaching a full grown man who is a graduate that their people are from somewhere else....and for him to believe that he is actually where he came from, means that he is either a migrant or he doesn't know where he came from ....I have a good number of Yoruba friends. I always tell them that their reasoning is very different from the Yoruba folks online.

MinorityOpinion:
Let me break it down for you, I like your approach OP, no insult, no abuse, it is quite strange to me but you have done well in that part.

Igbos only influenced the riverine tribes, they are not the same with igbos, Igbos are travellers so their culture and language must have dominated the small tribes of the riverine area they migrated to. I have a documented article by a British man that visited the area in 1800. Another thing is that dressing like igbos and speaking igbos doesn't mean they are igbos, for example look at Yoruba cousin, the Igala, they belong to Yoruboid group, they wear clothes that look like Yoruba dress, our language is quite similar to theirs, so can you tell me, are igalas in Anambra Yoruba?

I understand some of your point, your family may be one of earlier igbos immigrant and you said, your elders have said they are not Igbos you can't know more than your elders.

Thanks

RuggedSniper:
Read my post again. 'White chalk' in Olukunmi/Yoruba is Eko Efun... But in Ibo it means Ukwunzu. The indigenes simply translated the name of their town from Eko Efun to Ukwunzu which mean the same thing (white chalk deposits/mining exists in the town) but in different languages. So we can assume that this is how folks who are not originally migrants from the eastern side of River Niger adopted Ibo translation of their ethnic names in Aniocha North which shares direct boundaries with Esanland and Ikaland! Since 1991, I've read about the fantastic history and interacted with people of the ANIOMA area who are NOT monolithic in ethnic origin. Each ANIOMA town has a knowledge of where they and their ancestors originally migrated from... i.e, Igala, Yoruba, Esan, Bini, Nri, Nteje, etc.

This sounds far fetched. I would understand if migrants travelled very far distance, lost contact with their ancestral land and adopted some other language that maybe eroded their surnames. But we are talking about Edo and Delta states that are next door neighbours. Ika has border with Esan and Edo state but Ika people speak Igbo and have Igbo surnames. In fact, the name of the king of the Ika people is Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi. These are Igbo names. Are we really to believe thst his ancestors travelled a very short distance from Edo to Ika only for them to drop their Edo language and surname and adopt Igbo? Why would they do this when they are nextdoor to their Edo brethren? Makes no sense whatsoever

IkwerrePikin:
[s]I doubt if you are Etche because as a Rivers man from Ikwerre, i know and have etchie friends who know their history which is not related to Igbo.

If you are truly etche then you’re a disgrace to etchie people. You went to the university in Lagos, instead of you to form your cultural group, you decided to join igbo cultural group. The etches in Rivers state universities do they have their own cultural group or join the igbos? Of course they have their own cultural group in Rivers state universities but yet you went to Lagos to betray your people that is why i doubt if you’re truly Etche.

Another thing is that, you lack true history. If you don’t know your history, then you don’t know where you come from, and that is your problem.

Ikwerre,Ekpeye, Ogba and Etche people are not Igbos and have never been Igbos.[/s]

Imagine such a load of rubbish someone wrote??
Someone from Etche who is obviously more intelligent, smarter and educated than you has realized that it is sheer madness to deny his heritage yet onye nzuzu a, anuohia n'enweghi ako n'uche abia ebea n'akogheri

So you will now speak for yourself, speak for ikwerre and still speak for him and his Etche people?? What sort of unreasonable line of thought is that?

You want to play the devil's advocate, yet you want to drag others with you?

Since you've decided to live a lie, why then would you force another person to go down that path with you? Or are you afraid that other Igbos will accept their heritage and leave you in the cold?

Amadioha kugbuo gi there

proeast:
Imagine such a load of rubbish someone wrote??
Someone from Etche who is obviously more intelligent, smarter and educated than you has realized that it is sheer madness to deny his heritage yet onye nzuzu a, anuohia n'enweghi ako n'uche abia ebea n'akogheri

So you will now speak for yourself, speak for ikwerre and still speak for him and his Etche people?? What sort of unreasonable line of thought is that?

You want to play the devil's advocate, yet you want to drag others with you?

Since you've decided to live a lie, why then would you force another person to go down that path with you? Or are you afraid that other Igbos will accept their heritage and leave you in the cold?

Amadioha kugbuo gi there

Ikwerre is like a cancer cell to Ndiigbo body.
The more you let them stay attached to us, the more they spread their toxic Igbophobia to neighboring Igbo speaking groups .

RuggedSniper:
The Yorubas know that the "sky descending" story is an allegory/mythology. Yoruba people and history existed before the rise of the Oduduwa Dynasty in Ife and this is an open secret in Yorubaland.

Look at this land grabber. You're even displaying a useless map that adds Itshekiri as part of Yoruba.

What business does Anioma have with Yoruba? You come all the way from your waste, jump over Edo to claim relationship with Anioma?

One of the biggest problems of the Black man is inability to reason properly and logically, and you're a typical example.

Igboid:
Ikwerre is like a cancer cell to Ndiigbo body.
The more you let them stay attached to us, the more they spread their toxic Igbophobia to neighboring Igbo speaking groups .

These guys are so pathetic and ridiculous. He is obviously afraid that Etche people are abandoning them in their stupidity and it made him to lose his senses.

Ndia ga ata afufu. Okwa uwa ka anyi n'ile no. Echi d'ime, onweghi onye ma ihe oga amu.

Even an Ijaw person in this same thread was encouraging the Op to embrace his Igbo heritage but ndi aburu onu si na ha bu ikwerre ana ezuzu.

My happiness is that by the time other Igbos return fully under one umbrella with us, they would be far gone and would be reduced to the minority they obviously are.

Uche Okwukwu who is from ikwerre was even saying that Igbos constitute 72% of Rivers voting population. By the time all the other Igbos return to the fold, then I will know if ikwerre can ever rule Rivers again.

RuggedSniper:
^[s]^^Acculturation caused it and partly British rule. These people spoke their original languages/dialects... Then they became bilingual due to trading activities among the many ethnicities in that area of Delta North who used dialects of Ibo for communication. An Agbor (Ika) indigene from a royal lineage posted here on NL years back that it was during the British colonialism that the foreigners introduced Ibo language for education and religious instruction. She said they resisted the use of Ibo in their church by a priest when the Ika language (which has Edo and Iboid mix) should have been used in church. The Olukunmis also speak a mix of Yoruba and Iboid mix in Ugbodu town and Ukwunzu town, with the later being more Ibonized. Eko Efun means "white chalk" in Olukunmi language or Ukwunzu in Ibo. Nduka Ugbade, the captain of the victorious 1985 China U-15 World Cup Team is from the Olukunmi town of Ugbodu in Aniocha North not far from Onicha Ugbo which has Bini and Nri migrations in some of the quarters. Hope this helps.[/s]

Another load of rubbish!
So you've given up on your people in Ilorin who the Fulanis have been subjugating since the 19th century to be claiming Anioma that has no relationship with you, be it in language, culture, tradition, food, or even appearance??

How pathetic can these people be

Igboid:
Ikwerre is like a cancer cell to Ndiigbo body.
The more you let them stay attached to us, the more they spread their toxic Igbophobia to neighboring Igbo speaking groups .

Who is doing the attachee..
The 'rejectee' or the 'rejector'?
So the inconsequential lazy people with inferiority complex, have the ability to spread........

Yujin:
Every Igbo clan is blessed including Ikwerres. That few quality human resource have emerged from their will tell you that they're suffering from the level of self denial. Most Ikwerres don't even have confidence outside Rivers state. This is what that self hate has done to them. Their level of self denial grew beyond what other similar Igbo clans had such that it affected their performance. They will pick up when they correct this problem.
It's not all about what you can gain from them or not. They're just one clan and their shenanigans shouldn't be taken seriously.
That there is Igbophobia pervasive in a good number of them doesn't mean we must just toss them away. There are still a good number that are proud of their ancestry. This is why some of us insist on still sharing the same ethnicity with them. A referendum will clear all doubts.
NB: while some of us are so eager to toss them away already, some others hundreds of kilometers are very interested in them being a minority group. Think about it.

Referendum is not what decides who belongs to the lgbo nation. Blood is thicker than water. Bringing all Igbo communities into one fold can be achieved by reaching out, educating on the true history, origin and ancestry of our people and re-orientation of the psyche.