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Xmuslim:
Oh apologies I did not specify the type of evidence. What I meant is empirical evidence not a religious book because I don't believe in them. But thanks anyway

peggywebbs:
Are you serious? You are asking for an empirical evidence of an existence and life outside of our realm?

Peggywebbs, that is one of Satan's children you are contending with. He hates God and has told God to do to Him Whatever He (God) likes but he Xmuslim, is His (GOD) sworn ENEMY.

Maximus69:
It's just a fabrication of the Roman Catholic Church to instill fear in the minds of people not to challenge the authority of the Pope who is the head of the Catholic Church.
It was a scheme to jeopardize the effort of rebels planning to overthrow Rome back then, so there is fear of attacking the holy city while Rome kept colonizing other nations.
But the idea died when England with the support of Ireland, Scotland and Wales formed allie to conquer the Roman Empire. Later Romans quickly switch to the teaching of purgatory which means everyone both good and bad will go to heaven since Rome is no more the world power.
So now you can fight against any nation no matter their divine anointing God will only keep you for sometime in purgatory and later send you to heaven after some hard times.
All are tactics to instill fear in the minds of those who don't believe in the authenticity of the nation in control.
The truth is at Death we seize to exist!

you wish!

Dtruthspeaker:

You would like that wouldn't you?

After Judgement, Lake of Fire and Eternal Life of Torment, day and night, FOREVER, NO SLEEPING, awaits ya!

The Bible book of Revelations is full of sacred secrets that needs to be unraveled, of course you will see the phrase "Lake of Fire" but you'll need the help of God's chosen sons (Born Again Christians) to understand those terms. Daniel 12:10
They were given in symbols because of fallen angels {1Peter 3:20; 2Peter 2:4; Jude 6} who also wants to understand the secret of God's word in order to reveal this secrets to their human agents {1Peter 1:12} note that the Bible said those angels were kept in dense darkness or prison, it simply means God no more reveal certain secret regarding the endtime to anyone {Matthew 24:36} though he sends his loyal angels message but as for the fallen angels (demons) they only knew their destruction is fast approaching, they're in the dark regarding many things! Matthew 8:29

So try to learn from the true Christians the meaning of those symbols, we'll be glad to assist you, it's not automatic, Jesus has revealed it to his brothers and they're the ones teaching us! 1Corinthians 4:7

God bless you!

Ahh the joys of nonbelief. Can't be bothered by nonsense . LoLz

Blabbermouth:
I so much wish this was how the way things are (I speak as a man)... Unfortunately, the scripture was clear on it.. And I will go with the Word of God than go with what I feel is right.

You wish this because you do not well and right. If you did well, you would wanna Live and Live Forever!

But those who do not well, seek and desire ways to escape PUNISHMENT!

It Is Written, HE WHO OBEYS THE LAW, FEARS NO PUNISHMENT!

Dtruthspeaker:
you wish!

I knew from your dancing around that you're still coming back to argue what i clearly stated but it is not about arguement Sir, it is God's word that will touch even the hearts of diehard atheists! Hebrew 4:12

Don't be deceived, God doesn't threaten people to serve him, he only appeal to them {Isaiah 1:18} so if your religion is all about threat then know that it's not from the God of LOVE {1John 4:8} the truth of God's word is not about threat but sweet appeal that will touch the heart of anyone who listens with keen interest! Act 26:24-28

God bless you!

LordReed:
Ahh the joys of nonbelief. Can't be bothered by nonsense . LoLz

Yep, another place of darknesss which to hide, in other to evade Punishment, like when students hide in the toilet or the school farm when they did not do their homework!

They did not escape Punishment then, No One shall Escape God's Punishment!

Dtruthspeaker:
Yep, another place of darknesss which to hide, in other to evade Punishment, like when students hide in the toilet or the school farm when they did not do their homework!

They did not escape Punishment then, No One shall Escape God's Punishment!

Like I said, can't be bothered by nonsense. LoLz

Maximus69:
I knew from your dancing around that you're still coming back to argue what i clearly stated but it is not about arguement Sir, it is God's word that will touch even the hearts of diehard atheists! Hebrew 4:12

Don't be deceived, God doesn't threaten people to serve him, he only appeal to them {Isaiah 1:18} so if your religion is all about threat then know that it's not from the God of LOVE {1John 4:8} the truth of God's word is not about threat but sweet appeal that will touch the heart of anyone who listens with keen interest! Act 26:24-28

God bless you!

The magic word "God doesn't threaten people to serve him"

"Threaten?" God threaten you? You Do Not know God!

I threaten you! My car threatens you, my dogs threaten you, But God Does not have your bloody time.

Shall Mr Toyoda threaten or need to threaten the Camry? Or Steve Jobs, the iPhone? Naaah! They can not be bothered about how or what they shall do or they can do to their creations.

They can do whatever Pleases them to do with their creations.

So it is with God! And He has even Foretold what Things He Shall Do to His creations.

LordReed:
Like I said, can't be bothered by nonsense. LoLz

Of course you can't for you would not do your homework!

Maximus69:
I knew from your dancing around that you're still coming back to argue what i clearly stated but it is not about arguement Sir, it is God's word that will touch even the hearts of diehard atheists! Hebrew 4:12

Don't be deceived, God doesn't threaten people to serve him, he only appeal to them {Isaiah 1:18} so if your religion is all about threat then know that it's not from the God of LOVE {1John 4:8} the truth of God's word is not about threat but sweet appeal that will touch the heart of anyone who listens with keen interest! Act 26:24-28

God bless you!

You are toooo inconsequential to be threatened!

It is A Great Waste of Threat to Threaten You!

And God does not do wastages!

Imagine seeing Mr Toyoda threatening the Camry, you no go laff am? And would you not call him insane?

You are not worth threatening!

Maximus69:
The Bible book of Revelations is full of sacred secrets that needs to be unraveled, of course you will see the phrase "Lake of Fire" but you'll need the help of God's chosen sons (Born Again Christians) to understand those terms. Daniel 12:10
They were given in symbols because of fallen angels {1Peter 3:20; 2Peter 2:4; Jude 6} who also wants to understand the secret of God's word in order to reveal this secrets to their human agents {1Peter 1:12} note that the Bible said those angels were kept in dense darkness or prison, it simply means God no more reveal certain secret regarding the endtime to anyone {Matthew 24:36} though he sends his loyal angels message but as for the fallen angels (demons) they only knew their destruction is fast approaching, they're in the dark regarding many things! Matthew 8:29

So try to learn from the true Christians the meaning of those symbols, we'll be glad to assist you, it's not automatic, Jesus has revealed it to his brothers and they're the ones teaching us! 1Corinthians 4:7

God bless you!

Bla bla bla sheep you don't have any wool? Yes sir, yes sir, no bags full! None for the master, none for the dame, none for the little boy who sits in Nairaland!

Bla bla blah Sheep!

Dtruthspeaker:
Bla bla bla sheep you don't have any wool? Yes sir, yes sir, no bags full! None for the master, none for the dame, none for the little boy who sits in Nairaland!

Bla bla blah Sheep!

If you calm down and allow the “power of reason” God bestowed on you to play its role(Romans 12:1)—you'll see the truth in all Maximus69 is saying.
How dare you quote Revelation 21:8 that talks about the “lake of fire” and ignore the rest that says it culminates in a “second death” without a resurrection?
Are you that desperate?

Since you claim to know the Bible, can you please tell us where the first man Adam is presently? As in explain using scriptures this time.

Your aim now is to see how to convince atheists to see the light in God's word rather than being a laughing stock and threatening them with your nonexistent and deprecated hellfire.
So much for you being a “truth speaker” .

Dtruthspeaker:

Fear oh man, fear!

Fear what shall Destroy thee, if thou doth not want destruction!

Common sense should tell you that one of the barriers I crossed before becoming non religious is the lack of fear of the imaginary hell fire.

Maximus69:
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you are entitled to your opinion though. I don't agree with your scripture or your faith.

Dtruthspeaker:
You wish this because you do not well and right. If you did well, you would wanna Live and Live Forever!

But those who do not well, seek and desire ways to escape PUNISHMENT!

It Is Written, HE WHO OBEYS THE LAW, FEARS NO PUNISHMENT!

Even "I" cannot stop myself from going to heaven, I fear nothing bro.
I wished there would be no Lake of fire but death for once and death for all that did not believe in the son of God.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, Death is looong Sleep. BUT AFTER JUDGEMENT, NO SLEEP for those who had not Life!

We are Gods spirit or breadth dwelling within a physical body fashioned from the dust of the earth.. Why will God send his spirit to hell?.. You don't want to unlearn and relearn..
"send fort your spirit and they are created and replenish the earth, take it and they die and return back to earth.. Psalm 104:29-31..Ecclesiatics 12:7..

Xmuslim:
your mind is what you must trust bro unless there is absolute empirical evidence that go against what you feel is right.

You are tending towards materialism these days. Having someone tell me my own deepest secrets and private past is nothing that can be "empirically proved"...

For example I feel is not right for God to burn people in eternal hell. No scripture can force me to believe that God is so unjust and live turturing people

Your problem started from " I feel..." If there is one important thing about God everyone should note, it's that *every of your feelings were created by him*... What will you then say, that your feeling is right than the one who created the feeling itself? God forbid!
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There is only one animal that (by nature) instinctively worship something higher than it - that's a human. Before all these Abrahamic religions, men has been worshipping some kind of god or self made gods. Do you have an explanation for why Humans do so by instinct/nature?

Dtruthspeaker:
Bla bla bla sheep you don't have any wool? Yes sir, yes sir, no bags full! None for the master, none for the dame, none for the little boy who sits in Nairaland!
Bla bla blah Sheep!

May Jehovah's name be Sanctified for ever and ever, Amen in Jesus name!

So you don't have anything to say as all what is in your head are the fabrications of Politicians who wants to scare people into succumbing to their rules. Can you now see that you can't even dare God's word throughout your response?
That's concrete proof that you're holding unto CREDULITY not FAITH!

Xmuslim:
you are entitled to your opinion though. I don't agree with your scripture or your faith.

I never meant to convince you about the words of my God, what i simply did is to prove to you that whatever you have in your mind can never yield positivity in any gathering of intelligent creatures if you're not connected to the supreme being!
Notice those words in my comments and try to debunk it with any school of thought, you'll find out that those words are indisputable anywhere, anytime, no wonder you refused to quote me because there's nothing you got to say to disprove that inevitable fact!
That's the heritage of those trusting in my own God! Isaiah 54:17

Dtruthspeaker:

Of course you can't for you would not do your homework!

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Blabbermouth:
Your problem started from " I feel..." If there is one important thing about God everyone should note, it's that *every of your feelings were created by him*... What will you then say, that your feeling is right than the one who created the feeling itself? God forbid!
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If there is a higher power that created my feelings, then I'm not guilty of whatever I feel in my mind. I don't have empirical evidence to accept that such being sent me Bible or Qur'an or any other religious book. How can I rely on something just because majority of people believe in it.

In addition, evidence always point to the human nature of these scriptures. So again I will trust my mind than a scripture that I highly doubt it divine origin.

Blabbermouth:
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There is only one animal that (by nature) instinctively worship something higher than it - that's a human. Before all these Abrahamic religions, men has been worshipping some kind of god or self made gods. Do you have an explanation for why Humans do so by instinct/nature?

I don't have the answer. But that doesn't mean there is no answer to it. If this logic is to be taken seriously, all religions would use it conviniently. So, this can't make you decide if your own religion is right or wrong.

Maximus69:
May Jehovah's name be Sanctified for ever and ever, Amen in Jesus name!

So you don't have anything to say as all what is in your head are the fabrications of Politicians who wants to scare people into succumbing to their rules. Can you now see that you can't even dare God's word throughout your response?
That's concrete proof that you're holding unto CREDULITY not FAITH!

I think this is the only matter you and I always agree on. I think it's call for celebration. Don't you agree with me

What I hate most about religion is the concept of eternal hell fire. It is extremely ridiculous to think that a loving God would do such.

Blabbermouth:
I so much wish this was how the way things are (I speak as a man)... Unfortunately, the scripture was clear on it.. And I will go with the Word of God than go with what I feel is right.

That book "Bible" is meant to be understood {Proverbs 2:1-5} if it's just about reading it word for word then there shouldn't have been any need to expatiate {Matthew 16:5-12} Daniel foretold that the wicked will never get the understanding of God's word {Daniel 12:10} Jesus said by their FRUIT (result of their teachings) you will distinguish between those who understand God's word and those deceiving themselves, Because they'll not be able to gather faithful followers but rather gaggles of confused religionists! Matthew 7:16-18
So if what you believe can't touch the heart of your listeners for them to LOVE the Bible's author {Act 26:28} but rather scare them, then know that there no way you can go out there to preach and teach to make disciples for your God!
That's why none of the churches have dedicated preachers and teachers as members like JWs, note that what you're seeing us doing zealously and industriously throughout the globe is not out of fear but motivated by the LOVE we have for our God! Mark 12:29-31 compare to Deuteronomy 6:4-5

Remain blessed!

Xmuslim:
I think this is the only matter you and I always agree on. I think it's call for celebration. Don't you agree with me
What I hate most about religion is the concept of eternal hell fire. It is extremely ridiculous to think that a loving God would do such.

Of course you'll see reasons with the truth, it's indisputable!

There is a secret to all these confusion you're seeing regarding standards and code of conduct.
If you will like to know the reasons i'll explain for you to know why there are various school of thought with contradicting opinions on virtuous lifestyle.
Note that your being an atheist doesn't mean you love evil deeds, but you're fed up with all these nonsense and ingredients perpetrated by so called religionsists.
So there is a secret behind all of these but first of all i want you to have it at the back of your mind that there is just one true God and one form of worship acceptable to him.
All the others belongs to another unseen intelligent being who is the real confusionist complicating everything having to do with the right standard all of us should follow!

Xmuslim:
If there is a higher power that created my feelings, then I'm not guilty of whatever I feel in my mind. I don't have empirical evidence to accept that such being sent me Bible or Qur'an or any other religious book. How can I rely on something just because majority of people believe in it.

We both feel the same thing and you ain't guilty of whatever right thing you feel in your mind. The difference is- I trust the creator of my feelings while you trust you trust your feelings. Your feelings can sometimes wrong/mislead you (we both know this to be true) while the creator doesn't come short in any way. Do you see the light now?

I don't have the answer. But that doesn't mean there is no answer to it. If this logic is to be taken seriously, all religions would use it conviniently. So, this can't make you decide if your own religion is right or wrong.

There is an answer and you know it... The problem is - you don't want to settle with it.
Have you seen a fake #5,000 note before? No!
Have you seen a fake #10,000 note before? No!
Why? Because the original does not exist!
The fact that you are seeing fake religions and fake gods all around is a proof that the original God exists!( without the original you can't have a fake)
"Does God exist?" is not the big question (it's just a fool's resolve with the mindset of- if I don't believe Him, He can't catch up with me)...
The big question is "With the 4000+ gods we have today, how can we know the real one?"
Maximus69, MuttleyLaff, Righteousness89 and any other interested believer... Can you proffer a simple test by which we can discern who the real God is amidst 4000+ gods? (Bible verses not allowed please)?

Maximus69:
That book "Bible" is meant to be understood {Proverbs 2:1-5} if it's just about reading it word for word then there shouldn't have been any need to expatiate {Matthew 16:5-12} Daniel foretold that the wicked will never get the understanding of God's word {Daniel 12:10} Jesus said by their FRUIT (result of their teachings) you will distinguish between those who understand God's word and those deceiving themselves, Because they'll not be able to gather faithful followers but rather gaggles of confused religionists! Matthew 7:16-18
So if what you believe can't touch the heart of your listeners for them to LOVE the Bible's author {Act 26:28} but rather scare them, then know that there no way you can go out there to preach and teach to make disciples for your God!

Many Pentecostal churches touch the heart of their listeners too (even when they believe in "lake of fire" so JW doesn't stand out here.
"You need not have anyone teach you, for you have the spirit of God that teaches and guides you into all truth" - Herein lies my confidence sir.

That's why none of the churches have dedicated preachers and teachers as members like JWs, note that what you're seeing us doing zealously and industriously throughout the globe is not out of fear but motivated by the LOVE we have for our God! Mark 12:29-31 compare to Deuteronomy 6:4-5
Remain blessed!

Again, many other denominations/ministry convert people and turn their heart to Christ far more than JW does. There is nothing special

Blabbermouth:
Many Pentecostal churches touch the heart of their listeners too (even when they believe in "lake of fire" so JW doesn't stand out here.
"You need not have anyone teach you, for you have the spirit of God that teaches and guides you into all truth" - Herein lies my confidence sir.
Again, many other denominations/ministry convert people and turn their heart to Christ far more than JW does. There is nothing special

Are you sure of what you're saying?

My guy stop deceiving yourself, if they're truthfully convinced about the teachings of their respective Churches why are they so confused to the point that they can't agree on codes of conduct, they are even ashamed of their respective Churches due to all the ongoing confusion regarding doctrines!

DappaD:
Are you that desperate?

Your aim now is to see how to convince atheists to see the light in God's word rather than being a laughing stock and threatening them with your nonexistent and deprecated hellfire.
So much for you being a “truth speaker” .

Aha desperate ke? I have said it before and I will say it again, save say a few words, I will never stop anyone who wishes to drink Sniper. So also do not i seek the conversion of anyone, be it atheist, Satanist or any one in the practice or religion of a False Teaching.

If anyone decides to change, they are going to do it for themselves. And Just as their Death is there own and not mine, so also shall be theirs, their Life.

But my will and delight is to shoot down All Untrue Doctrines, False Teachings and Perilous Advocacies, Dividing the Truth From the Lie!

Blabbermouth:
Maximus69, MuttleyLaff, Righteousness89 and any other interested believer... Can you proffer a simple test by which we can discern who the real God is amidst 4000+ gods?

(Bible verses not allowed please)?

The highlighted is what really amuse me most!

No religionsists can dare such except those trained by the most wonderful counselor of all times! Isaiah 9:6

So let's see how Churchgoers are going to handle this!

Maximus69:
The highlighted is what really amuse me most!

No religionsists can dare such except those trained by the most wonderful counselor of all times! Isaiah 9:6

So let's see how Churchgoers will approach this!

Alright. Let's see how they approach it... (I'm not sure many would want to try it out though)