Dtruthspeaker:


Wrong! This is the interpretation of the matter.

"My brother's ex wife" meaning she is single and free to mingle, without limitation.

What has that straw man attempt to troll a response got to do with your erroneous claim, or my refutation?

Dtruthspeaker:

Tamaratonye5 post=93906331:

This an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. No claim assertion or belief is validated because it can’t be disproved. The claim is irrational by definition.

It is not a fallacy because because I was laying Up A True Fact which is Seen not for the purposes of giving validity but to direct that all men are Automatically Disqualified from commenting on the validity of these matters.

It is a fallacy, I suggest you look it up and reread your original claim here=>

Dtruthspeaker:
No man is in a Position to validly Rebut this Claim because You Do Not Know Anything About How You came about

As I said, no claim is validated because of a lack of contrary evidence, thus your claim is the very definition of an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy, and is therefore by definition irrational…

Seriously go and educate yourself. If you don’t understand a common logical fallacy like an appeal to ignorance fallacy no wonder your posts are irrational tosh.

Dtruthspeaker:
Therefore, everyone is entitled to their own preference.

That one is called a straw man fallacy. Again I urge you to look it up and try to understand what it means.

Tamaratonye5:
The first paragraph is just bizarre, how does anything in it remotely evidence any deity?

I’ll repeat this as your unintelligible disjointed rant doesn’t address my question at all. Go back and read what you said, then explain how you think it evidences any deity.

Your posts suggest you’re either barking mad or trolling, I can’t decide yet, but there is no objective evidence that anything in nature is designed, and your phone & car analogies are asinine nonsense.

Dtruthspeaker:
And that is my case you have just established for me, No Man Is Qualified to Challenge or Question The Validity of He Whom we call God, just as the Phone can not challenge its ownership in the hands of man

I’ve challenged it for crying out loud, you just can’t or won’t recognise the rationale used.

Tamaratonye5:
I have often heard hedonism decried by pretentious superstition, but can someone offer any rational or moral reason why pursuing earthly sensual and self indulgent pleasures is to be avoided?

I mean as long as no one else is harmed or exploited to obtain them, where’s the harm? I mean what else is there anyway?

There is nothing wrong with pursuing earthly sensual and self indulgent pleasures, inasmuch, it is done the 3 Rs concurrently - the right time, the right way/moment and still remaining on God's right side/good side.

The point is that, the greatest hedonism one can have in life is when in the midst and whole of it all, God is glorified and when we are most satisfied through Him. Ultimate hedonism, physical and spiritual pleasure, personal or intimacy between one and partner, should be a greatest pursuit of pleasure, that is the pursuit of pleasure in Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, in the ever presence of God, such manners that God is glorified and you are, whatever is, are pleasurably satisfied, most, in Him.

I am sorry, I put the cart before the horse. I should have first asked you, what to you, is your, the ultimate pleasure?

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Tamaratonye5:
Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity?

Still waiting for any sort of answer from Dtruthspeaker?? You have ignored my question countless times, though I can guess why.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Bible advocates for Balance and Reasonable Pursuits of Happiness, so that you hurt no one whether your fellow man or Your Owner, The Lord God, Who has only granted and given you permission to use His Things in a Reasonable Way.

That is what the Bible Counsels, for your continuous good preservation.

Wow! Gbam!

Tamaratonye5:
The bible also advocates slavery, and portrays a vicious capricious deity, that commits indiscriminate mass murder, even torturing a new born baby to death at one point to punish its parents for conceiving it in an adulterous affair, and causing a global genocidal flood. All the while encouraging its followers into acts of evil ethnic cleansing, and the sex trafficking of female prisoners. So your claim is baffling.

[quote author=Tamaratonye5 post=93881806]Besides, why should I care what the bible says anymore than any other work of fiction?

You dont have to care what the bible says anymore than any other work of fiction. It is the beauty of having the gift of freewill and to freely exercise using this gift, without fear or favour to see the Bible anyhow to decide to see it. It is your God given prerogative

Tamaratonye5:
Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity?

I see their inanimate effigies, I see some of them with their bloody, filthy, dirty and unkempt looking shrines about. I see worshippers of these deities performing religious acts et cetera. Are these good enough objective evidences of these deities and/or so called purported demiurges

MuttleyLaff:
There is nothing wrong with pursuing earthly sensual and self indulgent pleasures, inasmuch, it is done the 3 Rs concurrently - the right time, the right way/moment and still remaining on God's right side/good side.

The point is that, the greatest hedonism one can have in life is when in the midst and whole of it all, God is glorified and when we are most satisfied through Him. Ultimate hedonism, physical and spiritual pleasure, personal or intimacy between one and partner, should be a greatest pursuit of pleasure, that is the pursuit of pleasure in Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, in the ever presence of God, such manners that God is glorified and you are, whatever is, are pleasurably satisfied, most, in Him.

I am sorry, I put the cart before the horse. I should have first asked you, what to you, is your, the ultimate pleasure?

cc: Tmach137, Dtruthspeaker, ggirl4real, DeeVann, Hathor5, ThothHermes, MrBrownJay1

The greatest pleasure on earth is FREEDOM...freedom to do whatever you wanna do, whenever you wanna do it and however you wanna do it. Sadly, anyone controlled by a holybook cannot understand that because they have to abide by that holybook' s rules and regulations (not their own)

God is "your" everything, while there are people out there whose everything is bigger than what your God allows you to do/feel/be/experience etc

Tamaratonye5:

Still waiting for any sort of answer from Dtruthspeaker?? You have ignored my question countless times, though I can guess why.

I have answered you but I have seen and now come to the conclusion that you are unstable as water and float as a ghost (as is your natural right) and nothing can be settled with you, neither the ground below your feet nor the sky above your head.

Everything exists as you will and ceases to exist as your proclivities dictate. You do not stand or fall by anything, even the simple request of your name turned into a lengthy unprofitable and unsettled argument.

There is no gain in this, you hold your opinion, I hold mine.

Tamaratonye5:

I’ve challenged it for crying out loud, you just can’t or won’t recognise the rationale used.

I did address it but with you, if one asked you if you had eyes, for the next one year, you shall contend with your opponent about "eyes" and the issue of whether you have eyes will never be resolved!

MrBrownJay1:
The greatest pleasure on earth is FREEDOM...freedom to do whatever you wanna do, whenever you wanna do it and however you wanna do it.

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Word. Gbam!

Somebody please pass this my guy, MrBrownJay1, this chilled bottle of orijin. Plus send him a truckload of kolanuts as well and after that, consider him sharp sharp, next governor in waiting of his state of origin.

Right on point on the greatest pleasure on earth is "freedom". Wehdone Sir! Please drink responsibly though.

MrBrownJay1:
Sadly, anyone controlled by a holybook cannot understand that because they have to abide by that holybook' s rules and regulations (not their own)

There is no imaginative sadness anywhere and I am yet to see any "holybook" put a gun to anyone's head, threatening to blow the person's brain out, if he/she doesn't abide by the "holybook's" so called rules and regulations

MrBrownJay1:
God is "your" everything, while there are people out there whose everything is bigger than what your God allows you to do/feel/be/experience etc

God is Omniscient. God is All. God, whether you acknowledge it or don't acknowledge it, is God your everything too, albeit if only you allow Him to be so.

There are people out there whose everything is bigger than what God allows them to do/feel/be/experience et cetera. Case in point, A&E's everything was bigger than what and all God allowed/permitted them to do/feel/be/experience et cetera. With the greatest pleasure on earth: FREEDOM, as you succinctly put it, abused and misused and with the departure of God from A&E's sphere of influence, A&E confusedly become gods in ruins.

You see my dear friend, it is no secret that all creativity/creation each have the fundamentally right of existence and by rights, this means they're to exist and to, without arm-twisting, hindrance, coercion, force, threats, duress freely express themselves,

One of the deepest secrets, is that, life is a process of discovery, a process of creation, as it were. You are discovering yourself, you're writing a script as you develop characters, and thus, you're creating yourself as you want to be, hopefully anew.

Honestly speaking my dear friend, God honors creativity/creation, actually His creature particularly; human beings that is and allows them to be participants in their own creation. Why? I sense you asking. Well conventional wisdom, has it that, a man is only truly ever complete and human once he has reached theosis.

Here is another point, whatever creativity is, it is in part, a solution to a problem, but creativity requires experience and experience comes from life while your life is, you with the freedom of experience and freewill, expressing yourself. Now, watch carefully, the magic that occurs, when you give a person just enough comfort, to be themselves. Case in point, Satan, Adam and Eve, Pharaoh, Balaam, Judas Iscariot, King Agrippa, our very own, NL world Religion forum famous Tamaratonye5, even you too yours truly MrBrownJay1 et cetera and et al.

God respects His creation/creatures, respects your creativity, your creative space, hence the reason why you have the gift of freewill. The power to talk anyhow you want to talk, to type anyhow you feel like typing ...

The greatest thing about life is this. The acknowledgment of God in life. This is the greatest example and what we all should be doing in everything. Giving gives thanks from knowing that, in all things, God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose.
Knowing that God works all things for our good

Bottom line, we are not prisoners of a predetermined future (i.e. an already prior written script) but we are giving the freedom to determine what and however we want to be

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Dtruthspeaker:


I have answered you but I have seen and now come to the conclusion that you are unstable as water and float as a ghost (as is your natural right) and nothing can be settled with you, neither the ground below your feet nor the sky above your head.

Everything exists as you will and ceases to exist as your proclivities dictate. You do not stand or fall by anything, even the simple request of your name turned into a lengthy unprofitable and unsettled argument.

There is no gain in this, you hold your opinion, I hold mine.

As it seems, the bulk of atheists here (myself included) are former Christians. Most have actually read the bible and are unable to just accept the reasons made by theology, or biblical exegesis and hermeneutics (after we stop laughing)

Some of us even have fairly good grasp of the history of christianity.

Using the bible as a source here isn't only risible, it’s patronising. I won't even begin to mention your usual M.O of dismissing known logical fallacies and turning facts on their heads. Do try to not roll in the hay again, there’s an honest boy.

Tamaratonye1:

As it seems, the bulk of atheists here (myself included) are former Christians. Most have actually read the bible and are unable to just accept the reasons made by theology, or biblical exegesis and hermeneutics (after we stop laughing)

Some of us even have fairly good grasp of the history of christianity.

Using the bible as a source here isn't only risible, it’s patronising. .

If you want hard Truths like the earth under your feet, for you do not stand or walk on air, therefore my answer is this;

I Know! All the atheists in Nigeria are former Christians.

What type of Christians were they? Answer- Follow-follow Christians, who acted without knowing and understanding why they act, but they simply did what they were told to do.

Which was their Flaw for their being Unfounded, made them stand on a tables, until a wild kid like me came to shake that table vigorously, Until you all fell and broke your hands and feet, then did you see (as if you did not see before) that what you thought was a ground (for you did not know that it was a table) was broken up by sound Knowledge.

Neither did you guys realise that you fell from a table To The Solid Ground! If not you would have been falling forever, But that has not been Provided by Our Creator, so all men Must Fall into His Ground.

But instead, because the guy who made you fall had offered another "ground", which is partly Solid Ground and Another Table Also, in the name of Atheism, you all took it!

And fortunately for you all, you all could revel in the glory and pleasure of your New Table/Ground which Definitely Beat and Overcame All of your former Christian knowledge and Practices (Religion), for Many Years Until some Christians began to Find the Solid Grounds that Raised Up The Mountain of Their Practice (Religion).

Now, it is you who has to consider once again if in Truth The Ground on which you stand, if it is a table, which is Always Capable of being Shaken or if it is A Solid Ground, No One Thinks to Shake!

Tamaratonye1:

I won't even begin to mention your usual M.O of dismissing known logical fallacies and turning facts on their heads. Do try to not roll in the hay again, there’s an honest boy

Because of Sabrina and You, I went to Study what you call "Fallacies", down to their spirits and origin.

And Now, I humbly say that am an Authority of Fallacies and The Crux of my Findings is that, that word "Fallacy" is from the Word FALL-acy, like legitimacy, adequacy, primacy etc.

And FALL-acy Refers To That WHICH MAKES A PERSON FALL!

The Definition that Fall-acy is that which is False IS A BIG LIE!

A Lie, is A Lie, which is, That, Which Is Not True and the Nearest to a Lie is called "Untrue" which in my opinion is Only 99% A Lie. But the Apt Description of a Lie is to Call It "A Lie" which is Always 100% Accurate.

In conclusion, All the Types of "Fallacies" that have been identified in this world Are The Things That Show That a Person Has Fallen and that He No Longer Stands On The Solid Ground!

AND TRUTH IS THE SOLID GROUND ON WHICH EVERYONE STANDS, Whilst All Lies, Untruths, Deceits, Misrepresentations and Untrue Representations Make Every Person Fall! (And we all see that person fall)

And in this, I have alwsys been Honest and Truthful, for there are many here waiting to catch me in a wrong or a Lie!

This is my respectful submission.

Respectfully, I came to have a fair, just and proper argument with you, not to bring you back to your former Practice of Honour to He Who we Call God (that is Solely going to be Your Decision with no push from me). Rather, it is for me to Smile and Praise The Lord and To Declare to Him Everywhere and Anywhere, How Absolutely Right and Accurate are His Words, which I Learnt from Him.

And I believe it is right that there must be an end to every contention, for that is where the profit of the contention can be obtained.

Arguments unto eternity profit no one and I hate them and therefore I do participate in them.

I apologize for the pain you feel when you fall but I do respect your right to stand on tables.

Tamaratonye5:
I have often heard hedonism decried by pretentious superstition, but can someone offer any rational or moral reason why pursuing earthly sensual and self indulgent pleasures is to be avoided?

I mean as long as no one else is harmed or exploited to obtain them, where’s the harm? I mean what else is there anyway?

Well, the most obvious reason there is is that it runs counter to the teachings of Jesus Christ who commanded that all those who will follow Him must DIE TO SELF. He also instructed that they not store up treasures for themselves here on earth, love Him more than self and family, and focus on doing the Will of God(i.e. Seek first the kingdom of God and His Righteousness).
All of these and more cannot be accomplished by one with a hedonistic attitude towards living, as is clearly evidenced by the Christian world around you today.

In simple terms Hedonism is antiChrist in every way and form. However, if Jesus Christ is not your goal, then feel free to indulge as much as you like. The way I see it, the majority in the world we live in, already practice just that - you will be in great company.

Dtruthspeaker:
The Bible advocates for Balance and Reasonable Pursuits of Happiness, so that you hurt no one whether your fellow man or Your Owner, The Lord God, Who has only granted and given you permission to use His Things in a Reasonable Way.

That is what the Bible Counsels, for your continuous good preservation.

I liked this comment, obviously because of the valid point made here

Tamaratonye5:
The bible also advocates slavery, and portrays a vicious capricious deity, that commits indiscriminate mass murder, even torturing a new born baby to death at one point to punish its parents for conceiving it in an adulterous affair, and causing a global genocidal flood. All the while encouraging its followers into acts of evil ethnic cleansing, and the sex trafficking of female prisoners. So your claim is baffling.

Besides, why should I care what the bible says anymore than any other work of fiction?

Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity?

I liked this comment as well for this valid and interesting question

Dtruthspeaker:
The Bible Never Advocated or Commanded the doing on any one of Such! But you have passed Judgment without a fair trial and there is no appeal before you, so it is vain and needless to answer you.

What a disappointing, disgraceful and abysmal way to dodge an easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless, point blank and straightforward question and leaving it high and dry unanswered. Smh sigh.

Tamaratonye5:
Still waiting for any sort of answer from Dtruthspeaker?? You have ignored my question countless times, though I can guess why.

At least two of us agrees that Dtruthspeaker hasn't yet answered the question

Dtruthspeaker:
I have answered you but I have seen and now come to the conclusion that you are unstable as water and float as a ghost (as is your natural right) and nothing can be settled with you, neither the ground below your feet nor the sky above your head.

Everything exists as you will and ceases to exist as your proclivities dictate. You do not stand or fall by anything, even the simple request of your name turned into a lengthy unprofitable and unsettled argument.

There is no gain in this, you hold your opinion, I hold mine.

I dont see where you've answered. Just put and lay down your stick on the ground, for all to see how crooked or straight it is. Thats all, you've simply being asked you to do (i.e. demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity, obviously the interest here is, demonstrate any objective evidence for a supreme being Deity)

Dtruthspeaker, I know, you should and can say this, show this, explain this, give an idea of an objective evidence for a supreme being Deity, in ONE word to Tamaratonye5 now, lmso, but if you can't give an objective evidence for a supreme being Deity, in ONE word, then means you don't understand the Deity, well enough yourself, to give an objective evidence for the supreme being Deity, in ONE word, lmso.

PS: I hope I dont get my post hidden and banned for commenting or quoting either of youse, lmso

Dtruthspeaker:


If you want hard T ruths like the earth under your feet, for you do not stand or walk on air, therefore my answer is this;

I K now! All the atheists in Nigeria are former C hristians.

What type of Christians were they? Answer- F ollow-follow Christians, who acted without knowing and understanding why they act, but they simply did what they were told to do.

Which was their F law for their being U nfounded, made them stand on a tables, until a wild kid like me came to shake that table vigorously, U ntil you all fell and broke your hands and feet, then did you see (as if you did not see before) that what you thought was a ground (for you did not know that it was a table) was broken up by sound K nowledge

Neither did you guys realise that you fell from a table T o T he S olid G round! If not you would have been falling forever, B ut that has not been P rovided by O ur C reator, so all men M ust F all into H is G round.........

The capitalization of words or letters is something we do to administer a clue to our meaning, to assist communicate our ideas to other. However: random capitalization does the alternative. It makes your message much harder to receive. Seriously, if you were to get rid of the shift key from your computer, it might lead to an enormous improvement to your writing, making your message much easier to grasp.

Dtruthspeaker:
I Know! All the atheists in Nigeria are former Christians.

Dtruthspeaker:
And in this, I have alwsys been Honest and Truthful, for there are many here waiting to catch me in a wrong or a Lie!

And there you're, caught in a very sad lie. Boy that was easy. Oh, sorry, That WaS EAsy.

Dtruthspeaker:
What type of Christians were they? Answer- Follow-follow Christians, who acted without knowing and understanding why they act,

There you go, idiotic arrogant unevidenced assumption. What a very stupid claim, even for you.

The rest of that disjointed rant is indecipherable cryptic gibberish. Though it’s what I've come to expect from your posts.

Dtruthspeaker:
And in this, I have alwsys been Honest and Truthful, for there are many here waiting to catch me in a wrong or a Lie!

"A wrong"?

Wtf is "a wrong"?

Kobojunkie:
Well, the most obvious reason there is is that it runs counter to the teachings of Jesus Christ who commanded that all those who will follow Him must DIE TO SELF.

Why would I care what people claim an individual called Jesus may or might not have thought?

Your claim is as removed from obvious as I can imagine to be honest.

Kobojunkie:
All of these and more cannot be accomplished by one with a hedonistic attitude towards living, as is clearly evidenced by the Christian world around you today.

I do hope that’s meant as irony, as it’s hilariously wrong. the most important oldest Christian church, is one among the richest institutions on the earth ffs, or what about televangelist multi millionaires..?

Kobojunkie:
In simple terms Hedonism is antiChrist in every way and form.

So what? That's not a rational argument against hedonism.

Kobojunkie:
However, if Jesus Christ is not your goal,........

I do not indulge in fantasy creatures. I have higher and loftier standards

Kobojunkie:
.............then feel free to indulge as much as you like. The way I see it, the majority in the world we live in, already practice just that - you will be in great company.

It seems fitting you finish that post with another broad and unevidenced claim. Though again, it’s not a cogent argument against hedonism.

Tamaratonye5:

Why would I care what people claim an individual called Jesus may or might not have thought?
Your claim is as removed from obvious as I can imagine to be honest.
I do hope that’s meant as irony, as it’s hilariously wrong. the most important oldest Christian church, is one among the richest institutions on the earth ffs, or what about televangelist multi millionaires..?
So what? That's not a rational argument against hedonism.
I do not indulge in fantasy creatures. I have higher and loftier standards
It seems fitting you finish that post with another broad and unevidenced claim. Though again, it’s not a cogent argument against hedonism.

In case you missed it, the sign on the door said "Religion" on your way in. If responses not based on religious beliefs weren't what you wanted, then you are in the wrong place. I mean seeking evidence on a religious forum, are you sure you are in your right senses?

MuttleyLaff:

What a disappointing, disgraceful and abysmal way to dodge an easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless, point blank and straightforward question and leaving it high and dry unanswered. Smh sigh.

Muttleylaff, your comment above came up where she (Tamaratonye) had finished alleging that

Tamaratonye5:

The bible also advocates slavery, and portrays a vicious capricious deity, that commits indiscriminate mass murder, even torturing a new born baby to death at one point to punish its parents for conceiving it in an adulterous affair, and causing a global genocidal flood. All the while encouraging its followers into acts of evil ethnic cleansing, and the sex trafficking of female prisoners. So your claim is baffling

To which i made the statement, Above!

MuttleyLaff:

At least two of us agrees that Dtruthspeaker hasn't yet answered the question

I dont see where you've answered. Just put and lay down your stick on the ground, for all to see how crooked or straight it is. Thats all, you've simply being asked you to do (i.e. demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity, obviously the interest here is, demonstrate any objective evidence for a supreme being Deity)

And this was the Answer I supplied to the question, though I now see that it was put in the direction of Tmach 137, and Tamaratonye

"The simplest Proof I would give you goes thus, like the Camry and iPhone, you know not when you are born and neither did you Control your birth, nor can you prevent your death either!" (Amended).

The crux of my answer is No creation knows it's Creator, Unless The Creator has Introduced Himself to it!

MuttleyLaff:

Dtruthspeaker, I know, you should and can say this, show this, explain this, give an idea of an objective evidence for a supreme being Deity, in ONE word to Tamaratonye5 now, lmso, but if you can't give an objective evidence for a supreme being Deity, in ONE word, then means you don't understand the Deity, well enough yourself, to give an objective evidence for the supreme being Deity, in ONE word, lmso.

PS: I hope I dont get my post hidden and banned for commenting or quoting either of youse, lmso

For you, The Proof of A Supreme Being is seen in the fact that Everything is Bound By Law, For Where There is Law, There is A Law-Giver!

Laws Always Emanate from a Living Being!

And Laws Are Always Put In Effect on Things in A Person's Possession and Control, Not Beyond it

Dtruthspeaker:
Muttleylaff, your comment above came up where she (Tamaratonye) had finished alleging that

To which i made the statement, Above!

And this was the Answer I supplied to the question, though I now see that it was put in the direction of Tmach 137, and Tamaratonye

"The simplest Proof I would give you goes thus, like the Camry and iPhone, you know not when you are born and neither did you Control your birth, nor can you prevent your death either!" (Amended).

The crux of my answer is No creation knows it's Creator, Unless The Creator has Introduced Himself to it!

For you, The Proof of A Supreme Being is seen in the fact that you Everything is Bound By Law, For Where There is Law, There is A Law-Giver!

Laws Always Emanate from a Living Being!

And Laws Are Always Put In Effect on Things in Your Possession and Control

Please give an incontrovertible objective evidence for the supreme being Deity, in ONE word. Thank you and not all these obfuscation.

Tamaratonye5:

The capitalization of words or letters is something we do to administer a clue to our meaning, to assist communicate our ideas to other. However: random capitalization does the alternative. It makes your message much harder to receive. Seriously, if you were to get rid of the shift key from your computer, it might lead to an enormous improvement to your writing, making your message much easier to grasp.

You said it, "Clue to my meaning" not yours. It is either you got my meaning or you did not.

I have left this issue!

Tamaratonye5:

And there you're, caught in a very sad lie. Boy that was easy. Oh, sorry, That WaS EAsy.

He who alleges, must prove! Else, She is The liar!

MuttleyLaff:
Please give an incontrovertible objective evidence for the supreme being Deity, in ONE word. Thank you and not all these obfuscation.

You have now suddenly increased the Standard of the Burden of Proof to "Incontrovertible Objective Evidence".

By doing this, you have now unreasonably demanded that I do the Impossible, for in the kingdom of men, everything is controvertible!

Incontrovertible Evidence only exists AFTER No One Disputes it, even then, someone will later arise to contend and challenge it, thereby returning it once again to "Controvertible Evidence" from whence it came

Kobojunkie:
In case you missed it, the sign on the door said "Religion" on your way in. If responses not based on religious beliefs weren't what you wanted, then you are in the wrong place. I mean seeking evidence on a religious forum, are you sure you are in your right senses?

I do not think that you know that She has sworn to hate God till she dies.

Dtruthspeaker:
You have now suddenly increased the Standard of the Burden of Proof to "Incontrovertible Objective Evidence".

By doing this, you have now unreasonably demanded that I do the Impossible, for in the kingdom of men, everything is controvertible!

Incontrovertible Evidence only exists AFTER No One Disputes it, even then, someone will later arise to contend and challenge it, thereby returning it once again to "Controvertible Evidence" from whence it came

One word sire. It shouldn't be hard for you to give, if you fully enough understand what you profess to know about this supreme being Deity

Kobojunkie:
In case you missed it, the sign on the door said "Religion" on your way in. If responses not based on religious beliefs weren't what you wanted, then you are in the wrong place. I mean seeking evidence on a religious forum, are you sure you are in your right senses?

Yes. "Religion" is the title of this section. Not "Christianity", mind you. Get a dictionary. As vast and as large as it is, Christianity shouldn't necessarily hold the monopoly on religious topics, or what do you think..?

The title of this section of the forum is "Religion". Alright then..... So? I don't see how it should stop me from challenging religious ethics or beliefs in my post content/s.

I've modified my OP. If you're feeling uncomfortable with my criticism of religious ideas, you're not mandated to take part in the discussion.

Tamaratonye5:

Yes. "Religion" is the title of this section. Not "Christianity", mind you. Get a dictionary. As vast and as large as it is, Christianity shouldn't necessarily hold the monopoly on religious topics, or what do you think..?

The title of this section of the forum is "Religion". Alright then..... So? I don't see how it should stop me from challenging religious ethics or beliefs in my post content/s.

I've modified my OP. If you're feeling uncomfortable with my criticism of religious ideas, you're not mandated to take part in the discussion.

Again, "Religion" is the sign on the door, and last I checked "Christianity, is one of many religions to expect discussed in a religious forum. Hence the reason why I offered you the Christian answer to your question.
However, I see now that you are not even here for a religious view but instead are looking for "evidence", so again, I wonder if you have your senses on right for you to seek such in a forum on "religion"

Kobojunkie:
Again, "Religion" is the sign on the door, and last I checked "Christianity, is one of many religions to expect discussed in a religious forum. Hence the reason why I offered you the Christian answer to your question.
However, I see now that you are not even here for a religious view but instead are looking for "evidence", so again, I wonder if you have your senses on right for you to seek such in a forum on "religion"

..And again, I don't see how my discussing in the "Religion" section prevents me from challenging religious doctrines and ideas.

There are people who believe that faith and reason are mutually inclusive. Any reluctance to reconcile both is simply a pointer to the absence of logic in most religious beliefs, and it's no fault of mine. If you don't like me pointing out the absurdities of religious beliefs and asking for evidence, it's no skin off my nose.

Either way, I've modified my OP accordingly. So please feel free to ignore.