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Utonwanne:
Taking nothing away from Partey but is he better than Koke?

nope

andrewbaba44:
Koke plays for ATM bro and is Better then Saul and partey ,but partey is better than Saul

Thomas partey is not even earning 50k weekly at atm so what are you saying ?

He should be earning 80 to 100k now at arsenal ,I will check sha

lol u funny comparing partey and Saul is like saying south Africa is better than Spain

andrewbaba44:
Got ya
But is he earning higher than auba

Yea. . Just 10k more

andrewbaba44:
What’s our style of play ?

How many minutes e even play self

We don't cross the ball regular with the wingers we've got. You shouldn't be asking me this question.

Must he play for eternity for us to know he isn't a good fit for us? Why then hasn't Nawekeme been recalled to the team despite his numbers in Turkey?

Edopesin:
Atletico Madrid are a better club than Arsenal nau, they've been a better team for a long team even better than Liverpool until the last 3 or 4 years even though you won't admit it

How you even manage to use fan base as a basis of comparison is a mystery with the fact that Chelsea has a bigger fan base than Liverpool

Differentiate between "bigger" and "better",then read my posts again...
Thank you.

mostob:
Alampasu for Okoye

Dessers for Onuachu

Same Onuachu wey dey bench Dessers for the same team

Danielnino00:
Differentiate between "bigger" and "better",then read my posts again...
Thank you.

Lols Semantics but okay

temi1290:
Same Onuachu wey dey bench Dessers for the same team

seriously Maja would have fit in

temi1290:
Same Onuachu wey dey bench Dessers for the same team

You have to consider team chemistry before choosing your team. Onuachu cannot thrive with Kalu and Samu flanking him. UNLESS Rohr wanna go the liverpool way by instructing both FBs to overlap and whip in crosses.

Edopesin:
Lols Semantics but okay

I never used the term "better" .
In the context of football,they aren't the same..

In the context of trophies,revenue,net worth,fanbase, and any reasonable parameter you can think of, Arsenal is a bigger football club than Atletico Madrid!

Andrew jus dy yarn this and that...no follow am o..

TheSuperNerd:
Just go through it, my wonderful namesake. I did my best to make the analysis "balanced"....

But... Hehehehehehe....

I did. But we see Ndidi's rating went up. Nothing bad in wishing for more and a better team as well. Leicester are boring with how He is limited to me. Anyways.

Full house things. Asif we dey do the online version of SE camp.

mostob:
You have to consider team chemistry before choosing your team. Onuachu cannot thrive with Kalu and Samu flanking him. UNLESS Rohr wanna go the liverpool way by instructing both FBs to overlap and whip in crosses.

Abeg,we don't want a "cross and inshAllah" style of play tomorrow...
We want fluid,easy flowing attacking football..
Dessers or Iheanacho should start... If Onuachu is going to be waiting for wingers to deliver crosses before he can score,then it won't be good for us..
He can come in the second half..

Edopesin:
Atletico Madrid are a better club than Arsenal nau, they've been a better team for a long team even better than Liverpool until the last 3 or 4 years even though you won't admit it

How you even manage to use fan base as a basis of comparison is a mystery with the fact that Chelsea has a bigger fan base than Liverpool

Kukuma say it. Atletico are better than Chelsea abeg. Say it.

TheSuperNerd:
Kevin Akpoguma cannot wait to make his debut

make person use scissors mistakenly cut of Samu's dreads...e go bad.

Danielnino00:
Actually, arsenal is an upgrade to ATM...
Forget the current form, Partey will earn more money and exposure at Arsenal than he did at Atletico...

What's your definition of Upgrade in footall? Is it money or performance?

Danielnino00:
Passing accuracy in the league last season.

Ndidi- 85%
Partey -83%

they won't see this oo. Imagine they are using another man destiny to measure ndidi. Ndidi will play for bigger club soon, it is just a matter of time. The sky is wide and big for everyone to shine!. They should stop being emotional and allow ndidi to follow his own destiny path.

Utonwanne:
What's your definition of Upgrade in footall? Is it money or performance?

Any of the two..
He will earn more money at arsenal..
His performance might even improve unless he doesn't fit in quick..

But again,what's the ultimate goal of every footballer if it isn't to make money?
I read somewhere that Partey was being paid peanuts at Atletico and that was one of the reasons he wanted arsenal move..so definitely,it's an upgrade...money wise of course...

Danielnino00:
Abeg,we don't want a "cross and inshAllah" style of play tomorrow...
We want fluid,easy flowing attacking football..
Dessers or Iheanacho should start... If Onuachu is going to be waiting for wingers to deliver crosses before he can score,then it won't be good for us..
He can come in the second half..

Yea...you know we can actually have both. I don't know about Paul's link up play.
Iwobi,Samu and Kalu will create attack overloads with Sanusi and Ebuehi providing the width. Agu and Frank will cover all the loopholes at the back. It all depend on the tactic employed.

kellycute:
they won't see this oo. Imagine they are using another man destiny to measure ndidi. Ndidi will play for bigger club soon, it is just a matter of time. The sky is wide and big for everyone to shine!. They should stop being emotional and allow ndidi to follow his own destiny path.

It's even good that Partey is in the EPL...
When Ndidi returns from injury,they will both play against each other eventually and we will know how far

Neobulletzz:
Lol I pray make we jam Barca, make we come beat una so I go fit come laugh you wella

if chelshit beat Barcelona i will stop following them it will be a disgrace ire hv u forgotten the 3- 0 so soon

TheSuperNerd:
This is exactly the argument that was next in line after Partey joined Arsenal. With the number of Arsenal fans on this thread, it was inevitable that the Partey-Ndidi comparison was gonna arise again.

But I was ready. And I kept enough receipts for an attempt at a balanced analysis.


Number 1: A Fallacy - Partey is a better player than Ndidi.

I am sorry, Partey is not a better player than Ndidi. And the Stats ratings shown below (apart from how long I have watched and seen both players) from whoscored for the past four seasons support this stance.

Partey is majorly a CM with much versatile qualities but that doesn't make him better. He is a CM afterall. And his passing accuracy is expectedly meant to be higher than that of DM in Ndidi (unless the DM in question is a Regista/DLP).

Ndidi is a DM. Also referred as a CDM (central defensive midfielder) whose role is basically to sit at the Midfield's base as the team's midfield Anchorman. Partey's role is a little different. He is a CM with the licence and abilities to get forward as he wills like a Box-to-box kind.

If there is anyone in the Super Eagles fold to compare partey directly to it would be Joe Aribo. Both are very similar kind of players and can play DM, CM and AM but are basically CMs with box-to-box qualities.

In their roles, both are World class performers but I can tell you for free that while Partey has been quite rated for a while due to his constant appearance in the UCL with Atletico Madrid, it is Ndidi who has been showing better improvements in the past two seasons compared to Partey (My next fallacy point will address one of the improvement areas - Passing).

Also, in Defensive actions alone, Partey has very decent numbers but he is no where close to the monstrosity of Ndidi's numbers in defensive actions. Ndidi led the whole of Europe (or was in top2/top3 on a few) in several defensive action stats and some others from Tackling, to interceptions per 90, to blocks, to counter pressures, to counter pressures turned immediately into an attack and more. So the comment that Partey does all that Ndidi does and more is fallacious. Partey only does it to a certain percentage but Ndidi does it at World class levels. That is the big difference. Partey only passes more, is more forward playing and that is it. He is a Bloody CM Naa.


Now on this point, the summary is this...VERSATILITY DOESN'T ALWAYS MEAN BETTER. Afterall, if it is otherwise and Versatility always mean better then Etebo can also be said to be much better than both Partey and Ndidi. Etebo also gives prpgressive passes forward and his numbers at Gala are already racking up strongly. At the WC, Etebo has more take ons in one game against the WC finalists, Croatia than any other midfielder. Can Partey dream of such? Etebo's tackles rate is also up there... His interceptions game is also good and none of these two guys touch him on take-ons. Does that make him better? Versatility doesn't always mean better my good folks.

Bonus: Even as controversial as EA sports ratings can be sometimes, Ndidi has caught up with Partey as both players are now given the same Overall rating with 84 each.

In FIFA 19, Partey was 82. Ndidi was 81. In FIFA 20, partey was 84. Ndidi came up to 84 also. In FIFA 21, both remain on 84 with Ndidi having a potential cap of 88. Partey's 87.







Number 2: The passing stats. Partey or Ndidi. Who passes better?

On the overall, like I stated above, Partey is expected to having the better passing stats. And the whoscored ratings below prove that Partey has been the better ball passer in terms of Passing accuracy.

Even when I break the passing stats further down using Squawka stats matrix, you will find that Partey still edges it overall. Partey is definitely the more progressive passer of the two. No debates on that one.

But I have to point out something. Partey have always beaten Ndidi when it comes to Passing accuracy and for me, that is no surprise seeing as both are slightly different breeds of midfielders with actually different roles BUT JUST LAST SEASON, NDIDI HAD THE BETTER PASSING ACCURACY compared to Partey. Now that is shocking and true.

This again supports my statement that between the two, Ndidi is the one who has shown better improvements geometrically. "Out-passing" a ball-playing CM while still in your DM role (and you are no bloody Regista) mehn, that is something to take note of and keep a serious eye on. Ndidi's passing game has definitely made a quantum leap under Rodgers at Leicester in the past one year plus and the argument of Partey being a better passer will only hold now based on their previous seasons before 2019/2020.

With that said, Partey still made more passes in the Opposition half last season (770 in all) compared to Ndidi's 692.
In their own half, Ndidi made more (729) compared to Partey's 600.
Last season also, Partey delivered more throughballs (6) into the final third compared to Ndidi's 2.


So yes, Partey is the more progressive passer of the two but Ndidi has shown improvements in those progressing passing stats too as his numbers tell.

But when it comes to overall passing accuracy, Ndidi edged Partey for the first time, last season. That shows Ndidi really made crazy improvement in his passing game.




Number 3: The final point. Ndidi's Worth and Partey's Worth

You guys should be honest. If Ndidi had a release clause set at maybe 50M pounds, do you think some big club would not have come asking strong questions about the Midfield Anchorman?

But as it stands, there is no release clause on Ndidi so he could cost even higher. He has "a little arguably" been the Best DM in the EPL for the past three seasons and since his debut in the 2016/2017 campaign (from January 2017 even) he has been racking up numbers that only scream World class in that DM role. Numbers that absolutely define that DM role. So how much do you think he is gonna cost? Remember he is not coming from another league... He has been racking up those numbers in England. So that makes him even more valuable on the market for EPL clubs.


Partey had a release clause and to be honest, has Arsenal gotten Hossem Aouar, they won't have bothered with Partey this window. That is the truth. Arsenal fans in the house know this is true. Arsenal only went to activate Partey's clause that late b'cos they finally saw that they won't be getting Aouar this window. So they went for the guy they always considered their next midfield priority after Aouar.

If Arsenal wanted Partey that badly, why didn't they activate the clause a little sooner? Why wait till deadline day? It is b'cos Aouar was their top priority and not Partey. And 45M for Partey to make up on missing out on Aouar was a fair price to pay for the board to make to appease Arsenal fans and to make Mikel Arteta much happier with his current squad going forward.

If Andrewbaba44 can recall, I made a prediction on Leicester's next transfer big money sale some time ago before 2019/2020 season began or so... I mentioned Ben Chillwell, Maddison and Ndidi as the next guys that will bring in Huge cash for Leicester in the coming seasons.

So far so good, Chillwell has brought in 50M pounds for Leicester. Just like I predicted and we all know Ndidi will cost a little more than Chillwell. I understand Chillwell is English and has that "English factor" going for him hence his price tag but Ndidi has been the man in the EPL with crazy DM numbers and the whole of England knows that. So there is absolutely no way he won't go for more than his Transfermrkt.com value price currently put at 45M euros.

Ndidi will easily cost more than Partey. He is younger. And also a world class performer. So that is it.


In conclusion, Arsenal got a really fine player in Partey. And I say Congratulations... But I won't accept the fallacy that he is a much better player than Ndidi when Whoscored and even Sofascore say otherwise three times out of the past four seasons.

Good day to you all.

Where is the lie in this post? Where??


I remember when Thomas made his debut for Atletico Madrid, Nigga was used as A winger, AM, CM, DM, infact sometimes you will see him in defense

I was so impressed with his versatility... You don't expect someone that started as a winger cum AM to have a lower passing accuracy to a DM(through and through)


Partey is a great footballer but don't belittle Ndidi because Arsenal didn't buy him

The foxes won't accept 45 mil for Ndidi

I don't think Arteta bought Partey to be a DM

He will most likely be paired with Xhaka in the middle of the pack


You can hype the breda without insulting wilf...

Edopesin:
No need to make that mistake, I can bear Man u rubbing shoulders not Arsenal at all, the way Arsenal, Liverpool and Man U fans live on past glories ehn is shocking, I remember when Liverpool unbeaten run was ended, 16 years later Arsenal fans started reliving their 2004 EPL trophy again

Lol

Abeg inside arsenal and atm who go be underdog if dem play

Philosopher1979:
Based on skill set there are two Nigerian players that will go far if they are serious

1. Samson Tijani: He is a natural midfielder that can attack and defend at the same time. He also has the attacking vision of a midfielder and can also mark and take free kicks. He will definately end up in a top team in future. I dont care if he does not play for us for the next world cup but watch out for him. His pogba like skill set are too good to ignore
2. Sadiq Umar: Sadiq Umar is unique because of his creativity. Few strikers or attacking midfielders have 19 assists in a season and a lot of coaches will like him for that. If he can cut it in a top 5 league. I mean if he plays well for Almeria and a first division team buys him or Almeria gains promotion, he will go far. It is rare for a striker to be this creative.

Some players actually enter top teams because their SKILL SET is valuable not because they are necesarily the best.
One old example is David Beckham. His vision and accurate crosses were valued by coaches even though he was not neccesarily the most talented.
Football is about time. With time these players will prove themselves if they keep improving but their skill set by default can make them go far

I won't put my money on Sadiq

Oldboss:
lol u funny comparing partey and Saul is like saying south Africa is better than Spain

I said partey is better than Saul but not koke as koke is better than the both ,all can play at central midfield and DM also

mostob:
Yea. . Just 10k more

Auba fit vex o

Now partey go earn higher than auba

Anyway partey is a very good signing but arsenal should always remember that auba is the Lionel Messi there

But it’s so funny they Ozil earns more doing nothing

andrewbaba44:
I said partey is better than Saul but not koke as koke is better than the both ,all can play at central midfield and DM also

andrewbaba44:
I said partey is better than Saul but not koke as koke is better than the both ,all can play at central midfield and DM also

andrewbaba44:
I said partey is better than Saul but not koke as koke is better than the both ,all can play at central midfield and DM also

koke can't play as a Dm oo and Saul is better than partey

JayromWrites:
Where is the lie in this post? Where??


I remember when Thomas made his debut for Atletico Madrid, Nigga was used as A winger, AM, CM, DM, infact sometimes you will see him in defense

I was so impressed with his versatility... You don't expect someone that started as a winger cum AM to have a lower passing accuracy to a DM(through and through)


Partey is a great footballer but don't belittle Ndidi because Arsenal didn't buy him

The foxes won't accept 45 mil for Ndidi

I don't think Arteta bought Partey to be a DM

He will most likely be paired with Xhaka in the middle of the pack


You can hype the breda without insulting wilf...

Must it be ndidi that arsenal will even purchase ?

There is time for everything and ndidi and partey no get the same destiny

As far as DM is concerned partey is not better then ndidi or even that Everton guy just because they play for smaller teams doesn’t make them bad

yeah if both samu and kalu are going to start then I don't think onuachu will be the best to start alongside them. his style relies on a lot of crosses and long balls. from reports it seems dessers is decent when it comes to off ball movement and hold up play.

Danielnino00:
Abeg,we don't want a "cross and inshAllah" style of play tomorrow...
We want fluid,easy flowing attacking football..
Dessers or Iheanacho should start... If Onuachu is going to be waiting for wingers to deliver crosses before he can score,then it won't be good for us..
He can come in the second half..

Oldboss:
[b][/b] koke can't play as a Dm oo and Saul is better than partey

Koke Can play as dm and has played there before

Okay let me agree Saúl is better than partey

andrewbaba44:
Got ya

But is he earning higher than auba

Yes, according to reports

That what always gets me in trouble with my coach back in the day


O pari

Subzero047:
This is expert football knowledge

daveP:
Kukuma say it. Atletico are better than Chelsea abeg. Say it.

There's no yardstick that will prove this, I have more trophies in the past 10years than Atletico in 30 years we no even be mate if we jam today