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Andre Uweh:
@Ogiye, you are the most confused poster in this thread. You get so much confused each time you type. The problem with you is that you are not knowledgeable enough for this sort of discussion. Ukwuani man speaks Ukwuani just as Nsukka man speaks Nsukka. But Nsukka man will not be insane to claim that what he speaks is not Igbo. This is where you are making a mockery of yourself. Ukwaniman speaks Ukwani accepted, but Ukwani just like Nsukka and other related dialects are called Igbo. No group or dialect is more Igbo than another. It seems you smoke some cheap weed before logging unto nairaland.
Earlier, in your moronic exuberance, you said Igbo people before your eyes are slaves and your ''people'', yet majority of the Ukwuanis are happy being Igbo. Even at that, The Fulani's initially called the Oyos and neighbours Yoruba meaning unbelievers. Today the Oyos and neighbours have metamorphosed to Yoruba from Yoruba. Yet that are not insane to say they are not Yorubas because Fulanis say they are unbelievers.
Boy, am sick and tired of educating you here. What sort of brain do you have?.

Andre, Andre,  In law sector there is a name given to your mode of argue, I won't burg. On my ground I stood still. Nsuka is a name of place and doubles the name of their language, however if Nsuka man agrees to be called an Igbo man that is his choice, call him so! Ukwani is a name of our language but no town or village bears Ukwani; on that and on bases of choice with our identity on heart we refuse to be referred as "Onye Igbo"  As to your naive and misinterpreting  brain, I did not call you or anybody a slave. I only told you what onye igbo means in ukwuani languag to show you the little but huge differences between your language and mine. You are talking about weed and my response to you is,  he who knows about something thinks of it, maybe it is what you use to smoke before coming here. no wonder you does nothing but insulting people. I am here defending my identity you cannot intimidate me. You are too small that is why I will not take your insults seriously. Call me a small or a big boy na you sabi. But do not call me an Igbo man, it is my choice. I am going to tell you for the last time,  for the sake of your people the Igbos stop the insults or remain a disgrace to the Igbos.

Ukwuani is classed as Igbo, not even Igboid: http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=ukw

Abagworo:
Hahahahahaha!Do you know that you and I speak almost the same dialect?I'm from Oguta and we share a lot.Please do not come here to give false information.While "Uku" means great or abundance,"Ukwu" refers to south.

No, Obagworo I did not and will not give false information here. Uku means that, your people use it to refer a mighty person, as in onyeuku. In Ukwani there are some word combinations which means different things but same word, for example. onye-orjor and ejor-onye, ife-orjor and ejor-ife these words combinations means different thing but same words are used, one is bad in a positive way and the other bad in a negative way. Uku-ani and ani-uku are same words combined but means different things. one on the positive and the other on the negative,  the two word combinations means mighty land but one is mighty in a positive way and the other mighty in a negative as in evil land. I did not say ukwu means south but Ughu as in hill.

ogiye:
No, Obagworo I did not and will not give false information here. Uku means that, your people use it to refer a mighty person, as in onyeuku. In Ukwani there are some word combinations which means different things but same word, for example. onye-orjor and ejor-onye, ife-orjor and ejor-ife these words combinations means different thing but same words are used, one is bad in a positive way and the other bad in a negative way. Uku-ani and ani-uku are same words combined but means different things. one on the positive and the other on the negative, the two word combinations means mighty land but one is mighty in a positive way and the other mighty in a negative as in evil land. I did not say ukwu means south but Ughu as in hill.

I am Ukwuani. Since when did "Igbo" mean slave in Ukwuani?? You better stop reading nonsense on the internet and just go to Ukwuani land and learn. You can say non-Igbos used that word "Igbo" for slave in their language,but definitely not in ukwuani. Ukwuani to begin with, was never ONE clan. It was a fragmented area consisting of individual village groups just like other Igbo areas. Ukwuani is a recent name just like Enuani. "Uku/ukwuani means The foot/lower end of the land, "Enuani" means The top of the land. So if you want to take it down the route you are going then we "ukwuani" are not the same. Even Ndokwa people are trying to make a new clan called "Ndokwa". They can do that because ukwuani is a created name. It is not a real clan. If fact, does every ukwuani speak the same kind of ukwuani? The answer is NO and you should know that is u are ukwuani like u claim.


On another note, I do get where you are coming from with the name argument with Andre. You don't seem to be denying relation with those who call themselves Igbo but you don't want to be called Igbo because of a negative connotation(slave) and you are perfectly fine with just being "Ukwuani". I hope I am getting you right? But overall, you dont need to insult others when you are trying to drill a point. And please dont speak for all of ukwuani when making particular statements.

@ogiye

Just wondering how you are very conversant with Igbo words. You seems to know how to manipulate Igbo words and their subsequent meanings, yet you dont speak Igbo.

ogiye:
No,no,no. You are driving to a different direction. I did not disagree that Ukwuani language is similar to Igbo language ok? what I've been saying is----- . Yes, we speak almost the same but not totally the same. It is because our language is not exactly the same with the Igbo language that is why it is called Ukwani. Can a  language that has a name be renamed? if yes. Why? if for whatever reason a language is renamed will you still call the people the former name or the present name? If you call Ukwani people Igbo what will you do with "ukwani"? Friend, we speaks Ukwuani language and so shall we be called,  UKWUANI PEOPLE,  I am not lying to myself or to others, what I am doing is protecting my ID.

Your first incorrect notion is that you grouped other people's speech as one "Igbo language". No two 'peoples' speak the same "Igbo language". There are even people within "Igbo language" whose speech is much more divergent than Ukwuani. So, it would be wrong of you to conceive of the notion of a single "Igbo language", yet separate Ukwuani. I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you may likely be uninformed, but I feel inclined to believe that you are actually well aware of the things I've been saying.

As for what you're saying about identity, I understand that very well. I also appreciate the fact that you're acknowledging the reality of the situation you [your people] are in (i.e. just as Chyz said, you don't seem be blindly denying a relationship between you [your people] and "Igbo"

hmmmmm

Chyz*:
I am Ukwuani. Since when did "Igbo" mean slave in Ukwuani?? You better stop reading nonsense on the internet and just go to Ukwuani land and learn. You can say non-Igbos used that word "Igbo" for slave in their language,but definitely not in ukwuani. Ukwuani to begin with, was never ONE clan. It was a fragmented area consisting of individual village groups just like other Igbo areas. Ukwuani is a recent name just like Enuani. "Uku/ukwuani means The foot/lower end of the land, "Enuani" means The top of the land. So if you want to take it down the route you are going then we "ukwuani" are not the same. Even Ndokwa people are trying to make a new clan called "Ndokwa". They can do that because ukwuani is a created name. It is not a real clan. If fact, does every ukwuani speak the same kind of ukwuani? The answer is NO and you should know that is u are ukwuani like u claim.


On another note, I do get where you are coming from with the name argument with Andre. You don't seem to be denying relation with those who call themselves Igbo but you don't want to be called Igbo because of a negative connotation(slave) and you are perfectly fine with just being "Ukwuani". I hope I am getting you right? But overall, you dont need to insult others when you are trying to drill a point. And please dont speak for all of ukwuani when making particular statements.

You are not Ukwuani. if you want to know anything about ukwuani send me you Email. Before it is a practice but has been abolished yet it still hold grounds secretly in some pocket families that they forbit to marry an Ibo. sometimes referred as bended or bent people. I did not read that in the internet. It happened to me. It is good you knew that Ukwuani has different clans, but tell me why is it so? why does Ukwuani have different clans that speaks Ukwuani language. reason well. if different clans speaks one language what will you call them? will you call them by the name of their language or the name of the language that resembles their own?

ezeagu:
Ukwuani is classed as Igbo, not even Igboid: http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=ukw

Agreed, but subgrouping a language with another does not mean that the people are the same. In future pigeon english will be subgrouped with english language.

ogiye:
Agreed, but subgrouping a language with another does not mean that the people are the same. In future pigeon english will be subgrouped with english language.

Krio, or 'Pidgin English', is an English-based creole, as in it's a creole, not a fully separate language, which means it's not a relevant analogy. . . . . . Plus I was addressing your claim that Ukwuani was Igboid.

ezeagu:
Krio, or 'Pidgin English', is an English-based creole, as in it's a creole, not a fully separate language, which means it's not a relevant analogy. . . . . . Plus I was addressing your claim that Ukwuani was Igboid.

never used that to groupe my language. we spaeks like the Igbos but ours has is called Ukwuani, my cliam is we should be called by the name of our language.

ogiye:
never used that to groupe my language. we spaeks like the Igbos but ours has is called Ukwuani,  my cliam is we should be called by the name of our language.

You don't speak "like the Igbos", Delta state recognises you as an Igbo group and your language is officially Igbo. Ukwuani has many dialects whose speakers probably want to their language called by its name and not Ukwuani, and people probably do, this doesn't change the fact that these dialects are grouped together as a group called 'Ukwuani'.

By the way, what is the theory of origin of Ukwuani communities?

I think the 1st place recognised as Igbo to the outside world is the town of Aboh.I stand to be corrected.

Yes, I think they (Europeans) actually referred to Aboh as 'Eboe Town', and it was the only Igbo place then that had direct access to them. Olaudah Equiano was from Ukwuani and was an 'Igbo nationalist' jusged from the way he spoke about alaigbo in his narrative (he talks about Eboe for about 2/5 of the book).

ezeagu:
Yes, I think they (Europeans) actually referred to Aboh as 'Eboe Town', and it was the only Igbo place then that had direct access to them. Olaudah Equiano was from Ukwuani and was an 'Igbo nationalist' jusged from the way he spoke about alaigbo in his narrative (he talks about Eboe for about 2/5 of the book).

As there is mistaking identity so there is miss-presentation of ones self. and also over and under presentation of ones self. Our founding fathers made some mistakes which need be rectified, we were miss-presented. Earlier the Europeans mistakenly identified us as Igbo because they hear us speak almost the same with the Igbos, they mistakenly named us kwale instead of ukwuani our name. are we going to contenue to live in the past? did they not say they discovered the river Niger? some things are better not be argued over. We are Ukwani people. not Igbo. do not throw away my identity.

ogiye:
As there is mistaking identity so there is miss-presentation of ones self. and also over and under presentation of ones self. Our founding fathers made some mistakes which need be rectified, we were miss-presented. Earlier the Europeans mistakenly identified us as Igbo because they hear us speak almost the same with the Igbos, they mistakenly named us kwale instead of ukwuani our name. are we going to contenue to live in the past? did they not say they discovered the river Niger? some things are better not be argued over. We are Ukwani people. not Igbo. do not throw away my identity.

i honestly do not think you know what being igbo means.you and an oguta man can converse easily because the language is the same.an afikpo man cannot i repeat cannot speak 'igbo' with an oguta man because the language of both are mutually unitelligible.

however in your definition both afikpo and oguta is igbo are you are not.

no one is saying you are not ukwuani as no one will say someone is not ngwa,mbaise or nnewi.

ogiye:
As there is mistaking identity so there is miss-presentation of ones self. and also over and under presentation of ones self. Our founding fathers made some mistakes which need be rectified,  we were miss-presented. Earlier the Europeans mistakenly identified us as Igbo because they hear us speak almost the same with the Igbos,  they mistakenly named us kwale instead of ukwuani our name. are we going to contenue to live in the past? did they not say they discovered the river Niger? some things are better not be argued over. We are Ukwani people. not Igbo. do not throw away my identity.

Thanks for completely ignoring my point about Olaudah Equiano, your 'Ukwuani' brother, who became the most popular ex-slave in history. Let's also ignore the fact that the same way the Europeans obtained the word 'Kwale' was the same way they obtained the word Eboe. Oh, they gave you the word because the language is "similar". So that means either the Europeans could tell the difference between Igbo languages and the hundreds of other languages around them and then determined who and who was not Igbo, (of course without their consent) or the people of 'Kwale' were okay with the term Eboe. Olaudah, an 'Ukwani' man, was more than fine with 'Eboe', as he identified himself and his people back home.

ogiye:
As there is mistaking identity so there is miss-presentation of ones self. and also over and under presentation of ones self. Our founding fathers made some mistakes which need be rectified, we were miss-presented. Earlier the Europeans mistakenly identified us as Igbo because they hear us speak almost the same with the Igbos, they mistakenly named us kwale instead of ukwuani our name. are we going to contenue to live in the past? did they not say they discovered the river Niger? some things are better not be argued over. We are Ukwani people. not Igbo. do not throw away my identity.

My brother you seem to be missing a point.The Igbos in the hinterland never had contacts with the Europeans.How come the Aboh king identified himself as Igbo to them?It was the King of Aboh that actually let out the names of Oru and Igbo to Europeans.You know we claim Nworu and not Nwigbo.

Oru and Igbo are two parts of the same people.The Oru are the riverine while the Igbo are upland.You should ask your father more about it.You know Aboh people are "Ndi Osimili".

Oyige, so if u are an ukwani man, can you consider yourself as an edo man instead of Igbo

because to me you have to pick one, ukwani is tooooooo small to be called its own ethnic group, I mean do you see my point ?

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Can you speak kanuri?

mbatuku2:
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Can you speak kanuri?

Yes a bit, any problem ?

I am more comfortable with Itsekiri, Yoruba, Tapa and Ijaw

Little of Hausawa and Igbo, then Kanuri and fula

alj harem:
Yes a bit, any problem ?

I am more comfortable with Itsekiri, Yoruba, Tapa and Ijaw

Little of Hausawa and Igbo, then Kanuri and fula

I know you cant speak Hausa like most of your folks who grow up in the North. Just wondering if you could speak at least your own native kanuri. Nothing really! Thanks.

abagoro:
My brother you seem to be missing a point.The Igbos in the hinterland never had contacts with the Europeans.How come the Aboh king identified himself as Igbo to them?It was the King of Aboh that actually let out the names of Oru and Igbo to Europeans.You know we claim Nworu and not Nwigbo.

Oru and Igbo are two parts of the same people.The Oru are the riverine while the Igbo are upland.You should ask your father more about it.You know Aboh people are "Ndi Osimili".

No, no,no, I missed no point. I know the history where you got your reference. My answer was and still is we do not have to live in the past. We had had an still have kings who beard different witnesses to the king of Aboh's.

asha 80:
i honestly do not think you know what being igbo means.you and an oguta man can converse easily because the language is the same.an afikpo man cannot i repeat cannot speak 'igbo' with an oguta man because the language of both are mutually unitelligible.

however in your definition both afikpo and oguta is igbo are you are not.

no one is saying you are not ukwuani as no one will say someone is not ngwa,mbaise or nnewi.

haha, my dear it's you that do not know what being igbo means. the word ''Igbo'' will be done with in future and replaced with Biafra. when you say Biafra your mind goes broad but if you say Igbo your mind points at a particular point, Ukwuani will not come to your mind at all. Your elaborations are good but follow me,  Afikpo do not have another Afikpo or Uguta another. there are many Ukwuani dialects some hardly understands others but they are all Ukwuani. just as Igbo has many dialects that some hardly understands others yet they are all Igbo. two trees different names and fruits, one may be related to the other but now it got it's own name. and that shall it be called.

ogiye:
haha, my dear it's you that do not know what being igbo means. [b]the word ''Igbo'' will be done with in future and replaced with Biafra. when you say Biafra your mind goes broad but if you say Igbo your mind points at a particular poin[/b]t, Ukwuani will not come to your mind at all. Your elaborations are good but follow me,  Afikpo do not have another Afikpo or Uguta another. there are many Ukwuani dialects some hardly understands others but they are all Ukwuani. just as Igbo has many dialects that some hardly understands others yet they are all Igbo. two trees different names and fruits, one may be related to the other but now it got it's own name. and that shall it be called.

the bolded has no significance to the discussion.as for the remaing things you wrote i just laugh.

I've never heard of Ukwuani having dialects. What dialects are you talking of? You mind naming them.

Every one should leave this Ogiye to propound incoherent theories about what Igbo means and how Ukwuani is not Igbo balderdash. It appears that there is a concerted effort by some misguided Ukwuani elements to dissociate themselves from the Anioma umbrella and the larger Igbo tent. The Anioma people are one and the same-Enuani, Ukwuani and Ika are all siblings.

The reason for the attempt to separate is not far fetched. This vocal minority among the Ukwuani want to carve out their empire so they can become emperors.

Today I saw an advertorial in Vaguard by these myopic fellows referring to Ukwuani as an "ethnic nationality." Then they went on to say that it is the turn of their spurious "Ukwuani ethnic nationality" to produce the governor of Delta state. The conundrum for these people and Ogiye is that Ukwuani has never been and can never be a new "ethnic nationality."

I have said it before and I will say it again-Ukwuani and other Anioma people are as Igbo as any other Igbo clan. Ukwuani need to ask the Ikwerre how their phantom ethnic nationality has fared so that they would see how theirs would end in futility too.

Recently, I heard that Uche Okwukwu an Ikwerre firebrand and a pan Igboist had reminded the Ikwerre that they are Igbo and should be proud. He has been vocal about Ikwere Igbo roots.

Ogiye please find some other things to do. As an Enunai man myself, I would advise you as my brother to sheath your sword.  Ukwuani, Enuani and Ika are Igbo and are recognized as such by Delta state government.

omonuan:
Every one should leave this Ogiye to propound incoherent theories about what Igbo means and how Ukwuani is not Igbo balderdash. It appears that there is a concerted effort by some misguided Ukwuani elements to dissociate themselves from the Anioma umbrella and the larger Igbo tent. The Anioma people are one and the same-Enuani, Ukwuani and Ika are all siblings.

The reason for the attempt to separate is not far fetched. This vocal minority among the Ukwuani want to carve out their empire so they can become emperors.

Today I saw an advertorial in Vaguard by these myopic fellows referring to Ukwuani as an "ethnic nationality." Then they went on to say that it is the turn of their spurious "Ukwuani ethnic nationality" to produce the governor of Delta state. The conundrum for these people and Ogiye is that Ukwuani has never been and can never be a new "ethnic nationality."

I have said it before and I will say it again-Ukwuani and other Anioma people are as Igbo as any other Igbo clan. Ukwuani need to ask the Ikwerre how their phantom ethnic nationality has fared so that they would see how theirs would end in futility too.

Recently, I heard that Uche Okwukwu an Ikwerre firebrand and a pan Igboist had reminded the Ikwerre that they are Igbo and should be proud. He has been vocal about Ikwere Igbo roots.

Ogiye please find some other things to do. As an Enunai man myself, I would advise you as my brother to sheath your sword.  Ukwuani, Enuani and Ika are Igbo and are recognized as such by Delta state government.

you know nothing about empires and creating of another, if you dont know creating an empire out of one is better than one remaining stagnant, i did not say we will not have anything to do with the igbos, ok? be true to yourself. in the mixed of ten ukwani men can you call them Igbos like you?

This is very funny. Almost as funny as the "We are not Igbos we are Ugbos" thread. Ezeagu, you hit the nail on the head.

Ogiye said "you know nothing about empires and creating of another, if you dont know creating an empire out of one is better than one remaining stagnant,  i did not say we will not have anything to do with the igbos, ok? be true to yourself. in the mixed of ten ukwani men can you call them Igbos like you?"

Ogiye, I don't have to call Ukwuani people Igbo for them to be Igbo.  It is not upto you or me to identify them-nature made them Igbo and there is nothing you and I can do about it.  And if you ask your amorphous 10 Ukwuani people who they are: at least 8 will tell you they are "Delta Ibos."

I am not sure what you mean by "i did not say we will not have anything to do with the igbos, ok?"  Perhaps you can enlighten me and others more on that because I don't like to speculate. 

If you are being contextual, I can understand. As you stated previously, the term "Igbo" could be viewed derisively in Anioma because the riverine Igbo which included Anioma people would rather be called "ndi olu" or "ndi Osimili" in the ancient times. However, they would always say that "Olu na Igbo bu nwanne" meaning that Olu and Igbo are brothers.

mbatuku2:
@ogiye

Just wondering how you are very conversant with Igbo words. You seems to know how to manipulate Igbo words and their subsequent meanings, yet you don't speak Ibo.

my brother that's where you all are failing. Americans manipulates English words and their subsequent meanings but that does not make them English. these thing happen naturally you see. people calve out their own IDs. maybe we are Igbos or maybe Edos or maybe Ijaws who knows. my greatgrandfather told me where they migrated from, guess the language they use there now, Ologwu and the most surprising of it all, he told us they were four families that moved and now do you know that the four families which has become big towns now do not speak quite the same? You see. some Ukwani mixes their language with Edo others with Urhobo others speaks exactly like the Annamaria people. so will it not be better if we have our own ID? for example Anioma for those that speaks like the Igbos on this other side of the Niger. it does not make use more or less of who we are but it is better for quick identification. to me all these are part of progress. (I'm speaking my mind to you cos you are the only one i found very reasonable here) And before I go please tell them and you that the topic is not DO UKWANI PEOPLE SPEAK IGBO BUT ARE UKWUAN PEOPLE IGBOS?

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