binjahbo:

Another thread that start off as a question and end with silly idiotic folks claiming land as their own, due to language similarities.  Please before you (igbo's) consume the identities of all ethnic minorities of this great nation and employ you to go study the history of these parts before claiming these parts as igbo. If you are from Kwale, and want to be recognized as an igbo man, well more grease to your elbow. For the rest of us that still want to keep our heritage and identity, I will kindly ask you to refer to me as a Kwale man, NOT AN IGBO MAN. Simples,

I WILL SHOW YOU NO RESPECT IF YOU CONTINUE TO CALL ME A MONKEY WHEN INFACT I AM A GORILLA.

Can you please be quiet. Dialects are different from languages. A dialect is only a subset of a language.

Igbos are united through language if you like it or not. We might not have the same culture, but we do have similar languages.

Only in Africa will a group say they are different, because of differences in dialects. That is why we have a foolish notion of 250 ethnic groups even though most of these so called "ethnic groups" can be collapsed into larger groups.

Igboid speaking groups will be united like Yoruboid and Edoid speaking groups are.

They were Igbo prior to the civil war, now they are not? What nonsense is that?

binjahbo:


No, You be quiet, from what you've said you simple do not know what happens outside Africa if you are going to use that as a comparism. Now take note, The Welsh man wouldn't say his English, neither would the Cantonese man claims his manadarin neighbour is Cantonese, but they all are Chinese/British to you, cos you are ignorant.  

Wrong. English is a different language from Welsh. Welsh is a Celtic language, while English is a Germanic language. There are no similarities.

You therefore used a wrong example.

Cantonese is a dialect of the Yue branch of Chinese, and Mandarin is also part of the Chinese language family as well, so you do not know what you are talking about.


Ukwuani is part of the Igbooid languages. Even a non-Igbo will say that Ukwuani is clearly Igbo. Do you know what Ukwuani means? It is clearly Igbo. And it means the same thing even in my own Aro dialect. Who cares you do not share the same culture. You still speak Igbo. My culture is probably more mixed than any Igbo clans, but we still see ourselves Igbo even though the Aro Igbo are thoroughly mixed with Ibibio.

binjahbo:

Where was the igbo man when the Benin kindgom rule 3/4 of West Africa? And you talk about your fore-fathers. Don't make me type things that will offend people that i genuinely respect

Where did you get that number from? 3/4 of West Africa. I dey laugh. Do you know how big West Africa is? 

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Even the Songhai Empire, which was the largest West African empire could not make such a claim. Learn the history of West Africa, before you make such utterances on this forum.

This is a FAILURE of Nigeria's education system.

binjahbo:

Yes, maybe I used the wrong example to what I meant to say (even the extent to which Benin kingdom ruled). But you are still very ignorant to your claims as to why you think we speak a different dialect. If you don't know I will enlighten you, it’s Christianity and trade that brought about so many similarities. And for the Welsh and English comparism, yes the welsh speak welsh and totally different from the Irish or the Scottish even though they are all generalized as Celtic. The people do not see themselves as all Celtic as you would like Kwale people to accept this Igbo-tag head-warmer.

GET THIS STRAIGHT, most of us do not like to be associated with the Igbo-tag, hence why we stand as NDOKWA people. If you really got a problem with this, kindly take the appropriate steps to make sure it changes.

And yes, I will keep my identity, for Christ-sake I will not be here replying to you if I don’t think it’s worth fighting for. As for you, just be yourself, an Igbo man and we will all live in peace.
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binjahbo:

Yes, maybe I used the wrong example to what I meant to say (even the extent to which Benin kingdom ruled). But you are still very ignorant to your claims as to why you think we speak a different dialect. If you don't know I will enlighten you, it’s Christianity and trade that brought about so many similarities. And for the Welsh and English comparism, yes the welsh speak welsh and totally different from the Irish or the Scottish even though they are all generalized as Celtic. The people do not see themselves as all Celtic as you would like Kwale people to accept this Igbo-tag head-warmer.

GET THIS STRAIGHT, most of us do not like to be associated with the Igbo-tag, hence why we stand as NDOKWA people. If you really got a problem with this, kindly take the appropriate steps to make sure it changes.

And yes, I will keep my identity, for Christ-sake I will not be here replying to you if I don’t think it’s worth fighting for. As for you, just be yourself, an Igbo man and we will all live in peace.
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Chyz*:

binjahbo, please if you want to change history please change your own. I am Ukwuani and there is nothing in our history that suggest we develope ANY dialect with the Igbo because of trade or christianity. We have always spoken like this just like other Igbo clans. In fact, SOME of your own ndokwa people are starting to resent being called Ukwuani, instead they want to be referred to as Ndokwa. You can keep the Ndokwa name, you will be a fool not to,but no that we are no different  from the larger Igbo group. You don't have to claim or deny being Igbo.

binjahbo:

YOU ALL ARE VERY BIG FOOLS, If the think/believe an Ndokwa man is an Igbo man.

Will not reply to such claims anymore. Believe what you will.

Chyz*:

binjahbo, please if you want to change history please change your own. I am Ukwuani and there is nothing in our history that suggest we develope ANY dialect with the Igbo because of trade or christianity. We have always spoken like this just like other Igbo clans. In fact, SOME of your own ndokwa people are starting to resent being called Ukwuani, instead they want to be referred to as Ndokwa. You can keep the Ndokwa name, you will be a fool not to,but no that we are no different from the larger Igbo group. You don't have to claim or deny being Igbo.

I am Ukwuani and there is nothing in our history that suggest we develope ANY dialect with the Igbo because of trade or Christianity. We have always spoken like this just like other Igbo clans. In fact, SOME of your own ndokwa people are starting to resent being called Ukwuani, instead they want to be referred to as Ndokwa

Wrong. English is a different language from Welsh. Welsh is a Celtic language, while English is a Germanic language. There are no similarities.
You therefore used a wrong example.
Cantonese is a dialect of the Yue branch of Chinese, and Mandarin is also part of the Chinese language family as well, so you do not know what you are talking about.

Brain-dead monkey, you are the one fooling your imbecilic self here. At first, you said Welsh and English are the same. Later you said that Benin ruled the entire West Africa. You were thoroughly thought lessons by Ezeuche.
Now an Ukwuani son has shut your smelly mouth up, so stop displaying further stupidity in this thread, jobless freak

binjahbo:

I assure you, THIS will be the last/final post from me on this forum.
Farewell,

excanny:

What determines ethnicity?

ChinenyeN:

The same things that determine an individuals membership into an ethnic community.

excanny:

Are they different from the things I listed previously?

binjahbo:

If you’re going to refer to me as YOUR people, instead of OUR people. That goes to shows you are not from the Ndokwa local gov area.

omonuan:

Remember Olaudah Equiano a/k/a Gustavus Vassa? He stated in his biography that he was from "Essaka" in Benin Empire. "Essaka" is Ashaka in Ukwuani. However, Olaudah was more proud of his Igbo heritage.  He would tell everyone proudly I am "Eboe." He was the first person to attempt to write Igbo words using the English alphabet.

Comparative to the stolen art of Benin, the "Ikenga" statute in the London museum was stolen from Ukwuani.  I am from the Enuani clan of Anioma and in my opinion, any Anioma person that says he is not Igbo is mis-informed and needs to be re-educated. We belong to one of the most industrious and ingenuous"tribe" (I'll rather call Igbo a nation) in the world and should be proud of it.

As a clan, Anioma harnessing their IGBO ingenuity has arguably produced more great individuals per capita than other people. We must also not forget that Anioma eccentric army officers brought the chaos that consumed the entire Igbo nation  in 1966.  You will never hear the Igbos from across the Niger condemn Nzeogwu and his misadventure.  In fact, they adore him because they feel despite his mistakes he exemplifies what makes the Igbo great excellence.  One of the great officers of the Biafran army was an Ukwuani man named Nzefili amongst many others from Ukwuani/Ndokwa axis.

omonuan:

Remember Olaudah Equiano a/k/a Gustavus Vassa? He stated in his biography that he was from "Essaka" in Benin Empire. "Essaka" is Ashaka in Ukwuani. However, Olaudah was more proud of his Igbo heritage.  He would tell everyone proudly I am "Eboe." He was the first person to attempt to write Igbo words using the English alphabet.

Comparative to the stolen art of Benin, the "Ikenga" statute in the London museum was stolen from Ukwuani.  I am from the Enuani clan of Anioma and in my opinion, any Anioma person that says he is not Igbo is mis-informed and needs to be re-educated. We belong to one of the most industrious and ingenuous"tribes" (I'll rather call Igbo a nation) in the world and should be proud of it.

As a clan, Anioma harnessing their IGBO ingenuity has arguably produced more great individuals per capita than other people.  We must also not forget that Anioma eccentric army officers brought the chaos that consumed the entire Igbo nation  in 1966.  You will never hear the Igbos from across the Niger condemn Nzeogwu and his misadventure.  In fact, they adore him because they feel despite his mistakes he exemplifies what makes the Igbo great, excellence!  One of the great officers of the Biafran army was an Ukwuani man named Nzefili amongst many others from Ukwuani/Ndokwa axis.

omonuan:

Remember Olaudah Equiano a/k/a Gustavus Vassa? He stated in his biography that he was from "Essaka" in Benin Empire. "Essaka" is Ashaka in Ukwuani. However, Olaudah was more proud of his Igbo heritage.  He would tell everyone proudly I am "Eboe." He was the first person to attempt to write Igbo words using the English alphabet.

Comparative to the stolen art of Benin, the "Ikenga" statute in the London museum was stolen from Ukwuani.  I am from the Enuani clan of Anioma and in my opinion, any Anioma person that says he is not Igbo is mis-informed and needs to be re-educated. We belong to one of the most industrious and ingenuous"tribes" (I'll rather call Igbo a nation) in the world and should be proud of it.

As a clan, Anioma harnessing their IGBO ingenuity has arguably produced more great individuals per capita than other people.  We must also not forget that Anioma eccentric army officers brought the chaos that consumed the entire Igbo nation  in 1966.  You will never hear the Igbos from across the Niger condemn Nzeogwu and his misadventure.  In fact, they adore him because they feel despite his mistakes he exemplifies what makes the Igbo great, excellence!  One of the great officers of the Biafran army was an Ukwuani man named Nzefili amongst many others from Ukwuani/Ndokwa axis.

excanny:

Story story. Can you provide links to back up your claims, considering how controversial this subject is?

Andre Uweh:

There is sense in what he wrote. Even Hon Oputa and other Ukwuanis of his generation played active roles in the defunct Igbo state Union.

" Perhaps because of the military and
economic power of the Benin empire, the
Onitsha Kingdom that was originally inhabited
only by Igbos was occupied in the
16th century by migrants from Benin. Some
of these migrants also settled in other Igbo
lands which were between Onitsha and Benin
City. For this reason, the Old Kingdom
of Benin consisted of both the Edo and non-
Edo speaking groups, which are not linguistically
or genetically related to each
other. Some of the non-Edo speaking
groups include the Ika, Aniocha and the
Ukwuani speakers that inhabited Essaka—
one of those lands located between Onitsha
town and Benin City. These language
groups have some form of Igbo language
embedded in their vernacular. One could
say that the Ika, Aniocha and Ukwuani vernacular
are some forms of “mixed” Igbo
language."

Friday Onyeoziri of Univ. of massachussets HUMAN ARCHITECTURE: JOURNAL OF THE SOCIOLOGY OF SELF-KNOWLEDGE