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you think if it was only LGBT members sars were killing Nigerians will protest? no. Why? because that's how much we despise you people
If you want to practice the stupidity you should get out of my country
Were this people deaf when they said the protest is for all Nigerians male and female? Why do they want to turn it to themselves
Well bad for them, Nigerians are not willing to buy the stupidity and if left for me the legislature should make a law that whoever is caught in the act should be murdered either by hanging or arm squad
We won't support this cause. If they can't come out as ladies and gentlemen to protest they should stay at home

Brendaniel:
Please read my personal experience below, there are so many confessions similar to mine on a forum I joint about homosexuality, all the points I gave were correct with what they said, I'm sorry to say that all the points you gave here are wrong, I have articles and personal findings to prove all your points are wrong, read my personal story I answered someone here first and understand where I'm coming from...


Well this a very personal question, I wish I was a bit more anonymous here to answer this, but I would give a bit of it, like I said in my other post, there are factors that can cause someone to become gay or bisexual, so mine was:

1.ENVIRONMENT: My secondary school was an only boys school and yes we had gays, I was homophobic and still homophobic till date and guess what I got attracted at some point to a guy there infact 2 guys, but somehow we never kissed or had sex but a little bit of body romance at various instances, now this was because of the kind of environment I found myself, there were guys who where having full blown gay sex, I was just about 12 - 13 years old, I knew some guys there were having the sex just because of the environment too and would still prefer girls, but I knew some who had crossed the line and were now addicted to gay sex and liked it, though my attraction to those guys stopped for reasons I can't even explain then but now at my age I can see the reasons, the reason was I did not cross the line to get to addiction.

2. PORN - yes porn, my experience with porn almost forced me into liking gay sex, it was more like mind control in subtle ways, this was not when I was a teen either but as a full grown adult, this topic of porn here is very wide, it's another subject of it's own, what I would just tell you is if you watch porn, please stop and also if you haven't please don't ever try it, it's very strong in addiction and can change you from one thing to another even sexual preference.

In conclusion if I had my way there are 2 things I would ban especially in Nigeria
1. same sex boarding school
2. Pornography of any sort
this is a breeding ground for homosexuality....

Your first paragraph is quite similar to the information in this study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2443720/#R23

Maybe you are a gay but don't want to admit it. That's fine you can live your own life your own way.

lexy2014:
U say u agree that it is a crime in Nigeria yet u are asking "what crime have they committed".

Calm down. Let me explain what I mean.

This Anti- gay bill was signed in 2014 by Goodluck and henceforth it became possible for the government to presecute gays. Everyone agrees this the reality but that does mean it's right. This bill was passed based on religious sentiments and I don't even know why he should have passed that law in the first place.

in law when a crime is committed there must be a harm caused to another party as a result of the crime e.g in armed roberry, Yahoo Yahoo, kidnapping, bribery name it another person suffer damages or loss because of the action of perpetrator

In the case sexuality, the question is now what crime has two consenting adults committed for doing what ever they're doing in their privacy and which they seem to enjoy. And most importantly does not cause harm or damage to anyone else. Literally, the act of intimacy between consenting adults no matter thier gérer dors not cause anyone to loose thier money not does it home food prices.

In law, you cannot just sign sth into law based on religious sentiments and then you go ahead say it's now crime. Take for instance, Imagine Buhari passing a new law tomorrow making wearing hijab a law for all women in Nigeria. As soon the law is passed, it becomes a crime if you don't wear hibaj. But the question will remain what harm has someone done to thier neighbour for not covering thier head as a lady.

Everyone cannot live the same in diverse country like Nigeria which is why we have govt and laws but that doesn't give people or govt power to opress others who are different. Just like in the case of sars opresssin youth taking all computer programmer to be Yahoo Yahoo.

These are all analysis but I hope it makes sense to you
That's why people study law. Human beings are not an easy animal to manage. But injustice is a no no

Inogettime:
If the fact that there homosexuality in animals justify the naturalness of homosexuality in modern human y'all open minded,liberal,leftist, exposed,modern,forward educated folks are confused and 'backward' as Bleep because you hardly support breastfeeding as it seems animalistic than natural but sees homosexual traits as natural...I'm coming to think that the more you know the less you know!!!

well, I’m not a leftist. So I can’t talk about the breastfeeding aspect of this. I’m a science lover.

If homosexuality is unnatural like CheGuevara102 claim it is. Then why hasn’t natural selection eradicated it from the gene pool?

this is a NO NO for me

Brendaniel:
1. It is transmissible( not like really like an infection but initiation, someone who is even homophobic can end up becoming gay)

2. It is an addiction( very strong addiction when one gets addicted to it), very hard to stop.

3. It causes depression at some point( what most gays try to hide)

4. when they get all their rights, they always smear it on the faces of straight folks and try to make straight folks look inferior

5. Most gays are oppressive when given power to express themselves( but they will never agree with that)

6. Gay sex is a higher transmitter of sexual and infectious diseases( because their sex is less protective than straight sex), for most gays in order to achieve full sexual satisfaction it always comes with a lot of fetishes that is highly unprotected, this in turn exposes the individuals to transmittable diseases, why do you think gays have a high number of HIV?

You can ask further questions and I can expatiate on the highlights above

Kindly engage me please.

1. if you say people can be initiated to be gay does that mean people can also be initiated to be straight? And how come we don't hear news of people being initiated to be straight?

2. If being gay is an addiction can we also say that being straight is also an addiction?

3. If being gay causes depression can being straight also cause depression?

4. Straight people have already made gay people look inferior but they don't want gay people to do the same in future because people don't care about oppression when they are the ones doing it but get mad when they are the ones being oppressed.

5. Most humans are oppressive and it's not subjected to gay people alone. Would you agree?

6. There are a lot of conspiracy about this tho so we can't be so sure.
Regardless anybody that doesn't have protected sex can catch an infection.

maisams01:
wail all you want but LGBT's are criminals in Nigeria and will continue to be
if you want to practice LGBT leave my country or risk prosecution

This a very arrogant comment. Point of correction, Nigeria is NOT your country. Nigeria does not belong to any single man alone. Plus, You too can leave Nigeria, and go live somewhere else.

Farki:
"When in Rome act like the Romans" is one of the stupidest excuses to brutalise people I have ever seen.

And somewhere in South Africa and Alabama some people feel dirty negros like you should be brutalised, raped and hung from a tree by your neck for daring to bring your bring your ape African ass to white man's land and be forming right.

Hope you will accommodate the white man's treatment and not complain about it since the majority have concluded you are a subhuman monkey.

Use critical thinking.

It's like you don't even know the meaning of that adage.Whatever points you have made is just pure hatred on those people's part,when in Rome behave like the Romans is just a saying that means when you're in a place with different views and different laws you have to adjust,adapt and follow all the rules and regulations of that society. Anybody who harasses you even after being a law-abiding citizen is just doing that out of hatred,greed and wickedness.
Nigeria does not acknowledge the lgbtq right,it's a felony in Nigeria and someone is there breaking the law and you want us to applaud the person.
Just imagine you going to america and refusing to follow their rules,then when asked you'll tell them that it's not the same with my country,just watch if your ass isn't sent to jail.
If the sars operatives are brutalizing the gay people cos they're gay then they're right but if they're harassing them cos they're just rich youths then the sars officers are very wrong. Like I said before sars officers shouldn't accept bribe from queer folks they should be procecuted to the full extent of the law

toboy:
Calm down. Let me explain what I mean.

This Anti- gay bill was signed in 2014 by Goodluck and henceforth it became possible for the government to presecute gays. Everyone agrees this the reality but that does mean it's right. This bill was passed based on religious sentiments and I don't even know why he should have passed that law in the first place.

in law when a crime is committed there must be a harm caused to another party as a result of the crime e.g in armed roberry, Yahoo Yahoo, kidnapping, bribery name it another person suffer damages or loss because of the action of perpetrator

In the case sexuality, the question is now what crime has two consenting adults committed for doing what ever they're doing in their privacy and which they seem to enjoy. And most importantly does not cause harm or damage to anyone else. Literally, the act of intimacy between consenting adults no matter thier gérer dors not cause anyone to loose thier money not does it home food prices.

In law, you cannot just sign sth into law based on religious sentiments and then you go ahead say it's now crime. Take for instance, Imagine Buhari passing a new law tomorrow making wearing hijab a law for all women in Nigeria. As soon the law is passed, it becomes a crime if you don't wear hibaj. But the question will remain what harm has someone done to thier neighbour for not covering thier head as a lady.

Everyone cannot live the same in diverse country like Nigeria which is why we have govt and laws but that doesn't give people or govt power to opress others who are different. Just like in the case of sars opresssin youth taking all computer programmer to be Yahoo Yahoo.

These are all analysis but I hope it makes sense to you
That's why people study law. Human beings are not an easy animal to manage. But injustice is a no no

oga stop defending the undefendable
laws are made for people and not the other way round
Buhari cannot impose wearing of hijab because he knows Nigeria is a multi religious country so your example doesn't make sense
The people who made law are Representatives of the people so they carry the interest of the people
whenever they try to make any law that doesn't please the people, we protest
But was there any resistance when LGBT was criminalized? no
why? because Nigerians love it that way
so causing harm or not LGBT is a crime period.
I know you will go any length to defend your unwholesome act but unfortunately for you LGBT will forever be a crime in Nigeria

toboy:
This a very arrogant comment. Point of correction, Nigeria is NOT your country. Nigeria does not belong to any single man alone. Plus, You too can leave Nigeria, and go live somewhere else.

Nigeria belong to every well meaning Nigerian and all LGBT's are criminals and will be prosecuted
there is nothing like arrogance here

Farki:
Your first paragraph is quite similar to the information in this study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2443720/#R23

Maybe you are a gay but don't want to admit it. That's fine you can live your own life your own way.

Bro I'm not gay, I'm highly straight, I'm just trying to let people know that there are factors that make or can make people become gay, Nobody is actually born gay, there is usually a trigger in the process to become gay, the funny part here is, there are gays who don't even know what triggered theirs and it's not that the gay stuff has been in them from birth, from my findings I have found out that every human has a feminine and a masculine side of personality, and once certain conditions pattern the mind of that person to trigger one these personalities to get way above or below normal then homosexuality comes in, that's one aspect, the second aspect is the issue of sexual satisfaction, some gays don't go through the first stage, they derive a higher sexual satisfaction through homosexuality and this is where addiction comes in, at this stage it is higher than drug, that if they do not have sex with same sex they cannot feel sexual satisfaction....

sbaks:
A lot of nigerians are so illogical. It's almost impossible to be logical in this country. They don't read in between lines and that's a problem. Are these the people that want to take over? I laughed hard when one was given a simple test of 4million naira. Before we could say JACK story don dey spring up. Very funny set of people. They only know how to shout. They really have comprehension problem and that's bad if they want to take over.

Comprehension problems of the highest order. Well said!

maisams01:
you can only wish but no one will ever legalize the stupidity in this country and every LGBT member should keep it to himself
there is no difference bet them and the sars we are protesting against, they are both anti Human so anybody that wants to be unfortunate by being gay or lesbian should leave the country or we hand them over to authorities at sight to be prosecuted

I am NOT talking about legalization though. InCheck the difference between legalization and decriminalization. Decriminalization is removing sth from crime list so that you can't keep prosecuting it or opresssing others unjustly. For instance in casees where Marijuana is decriminalized so that people who were once arrested and jailed for it can be liberated.

maisams01:
wail all you want but LGBT's are criminals in Nigeria and will continue to be
if you want to practice LGBT leave my country or risk prosecution

It's funny how you ask people to leave your country as if your country was anything to write home about in the first place.
Jokes on you tho.

Alfred234:
It's funny how you ask people to leave your country as if your country was anything to write home about in the first place.
Jokes on you tho.

since it is nothing to write about why don't you just leave

toboy:
I am NOT talking about legalization though. InCheck the difference between legalization and decriminalization. Decriminalization is removing sth from crime list so that you can't keep prosecuting it or opresssing others unjustly. For instance in casees where Marijuana is decriminalized so that people who were once arrested and jailed for it can be liberated.

all the same, it won't be legalized nor decriminalized,
every LGBT will remain a criminal and will be prosecuted, there is nothing like unjustly here, it is not opression
if you want to practice it leave the country. simple

toboy:
Calm down. Let me explain what I mean.

This Anti- gay bill was signed in 2014 by Goodluck and henceforth it became possible for the government to presecute gays. Everyone agrees this the reality but that does mean it's right. This bill was passed based on religious sentiments and I don't even know why he should have passed that law in the first place.

in law when a crime is committed there must be a harm caused to another party as a result of the crime e.g in armed roberry, Yahoo Yahoo, kidnapping, bribery name it another person suffer damages or loss because of the action of perpetrator

In the case sexuality, the question is now what crime has two consenting adults committed for doing what ever they're doing in their privacy and which they seem to enjoy. And most importantly does not cause harm or damage to anyone else. Literally, the act of intimacy between consenting adults no matter thier gérer dors not cause anyone to loose thier money not does it home food prices.

In law, you cannot just sign sth into law based on religious sentiments and then you go ahead say it's now crime. Take for instance, Imagine Buhari passing a new law tomorrow making wearing hijab a law for all women in Nigeria. As soon the law is passed, it becomes a crime if you don't wear hibaj. But the question will remain what harm has someone done to thier neighbour for not covering thier head as a lady.

Everyone cannot live the same in diverse country like Nigeria which is why we have govt and laws but that doesn't give people or govt power to opress others who are different. Just like in the case of sars opresssin youth taking all computer programmer to be Yahoo Yahoo.

These are all analysis but I hope it makes sense to you
That's why people study law. Human beings are not an easy animal to manage. But injustice is a no no

According to u: "in law when a crime is committed there must be a harm caused to another party as a result of the crime".

That is very untrue. A crime is an act that goes against d laws of d land whether harm is caused to another party or not. D arguments u put forth are watery and have always been d stale defense put up by gay apologists. In many countries of d world, polygamy is a criminal offence. What harm does polygamy cause to anyone if those involved are consenting adults? So ur assertion that because homosexuality is consensual, it exempts it from being a crime is wrong.

What constitutes crime is relative as every society has it's criteria for deciding what is and what isn't a crime. If d govt of nigeria under d then president Jonathan used religion, then so be it. In d words of Uhuru Kenyatta, such laws are a reflection of d prevailing culture of d people of that society. So as far religious tenets and natural laws are concerned, homosexuality is an aberration irrespective of consent. Even if u remove religion from d mix, u still can't justify homosexuality.

Still talking about what constitutes crime or not, like I said it's all a function of how society views such acts& if there are laws criminalising them. If u look at d drug trade, in d real sense, is it a crime or just a business transaction with suppliers supplying products to willing (consensual) buyers? But yet d trade is deemed illegal.

So my dear, what constitutes law and crime goes beyond your sentiments about what u refer to as acts performed by 2 consenting adults. Don't try to hide under endsars campaign to give credibility to homosexuality. E no work

maisams01:
since it is nothing to write about why don't you just leave

I'm leaving soon tho but i can't say the same for you

hakeem4:
well, I’m not a leftist. So I can’t talk about the breastfeeding aspect of this. I’m a science lover.

If homosexuality is unnatural like CheGuevara102 claim it is. Then why hasn’t natural selection eradicated it from the gene pool?

Well,it is actually factual that science has proven otherwise that homosexuality is not has believed unnatural with the discovery that no one is born gay or straight,it will be difficult for someone whose Homophobia is based on cultural or social conditioning, Religious teaching and moral upbringing to suddenly subscribe to its naturalness because 'science says so'....so it might and will take time for Africans even many western folks to 'not' hate homosexuals... and they should please quit shoving it down people's throat and keep it to themselves...

Alfred234:
I'm leaving soon tho but i can't say the same for you

goodbye

maisams01:
oga stop defending the undefendable
laws are made for people and not the other way round
Buhari cannot impose wearing of hijab because he knows Nigeria is a multi religious country so your example doesn't make sense
The people who made law are Representatives of the people so they carry the interest of the people
whenever they try to make any law that doesn't please the people, we protest
But was there any resistance when LGBT was criminalized? no
why? because Nigerians love it that way
so causing harm or not LGBT is a crime period.
I know you will go any length to defend your unwholesome act but unfortunately for you LGBT will forever be a crime in Nigeria

I like your use of the word impose in the case of hijab however it's clear you fail to see how the gay bill is being imposed on queer people. I hope you live forever to witness the change.

toboy:
I like your use of the word impose in the case of hijab however it's clear you fail to see how the gay bill is being imposed on queer people. I hope you live forever to witness the change.

don't compare hijab and Quee ahbi wetin you call yourselves
if you think the gay bill is imposed on you guys then I dare you to protest against it let's see the consequences

Brendaniel:
Bro I'm not gay, I'm highly straight, I'm just trying to let people know that there are factors that make or can make people become gay, Nobody is actually born gay, there is usually a trigger in the process to become gay, the funny part here is, there are gays who don't even know what triggered theirs and it's not that the gay stuff has been in them from birth, from my findings I have found out that every human has a feminine and a masculine side of personality, and once certain conditions pattern the mind of that person to trigger one these personalities to get way above or below normal then homosexuality comes in, that's one aspect, the second aspect is the issue of sexual satisfaction, some gays don't go through the first stage, they derive a higher sexual satisfaction through homosexuality and this is where addiction comes in, at this stage it is higher than drug, that if they do not have sex with same sex they cannot feel sexual satisfaction....

I don't know which field you currently work in but I have a fell you should could excell in gender and diversity studies you seem to be passionate about it. You may build a fuilfing life career out of it. Imagine being the founder of the Nigerian institute for study gender , diversity, sexuality producing evidence based research that shapes human understandings

lexy2014:
According to u: "in law when a crime is committed there must be a harm caused to another party as a result of the crime".

That is very untrue. A crime is an act that goes against d laws of d land whether harm is caused to another party or not. D arguments u put forth are watery and have always been d stale defense put up by gay apologists. In many countries of d world, polygamy is a criminal offence. What harm does polygamy cause to anyone if those involved are consenting adults? So ur assertion that because homosexuality is consensual, it exempts it from being a crime is wrong.

What constitutes crime is relative as every society has it's criteria for deciding what is and what isn't a crime. If d govt of nigeria under d then president Jonathan used religion, then so be it. In d words of Uhuru Kenyatta, such laws are a reflection of d prevailing culture of d people of that society. So as far religious tenets and natural laws are concerned, homosexuality is an aberration irrespective of consent. Even if u remove religion from d mix, u still can't justify homosexuality.

Still talking about what constitutes crime or not, like I said it's all a function of how society views such acts& if there are laws criminalising them. If u look at d drug trade, in d real sense, is it a crime or just a business transaction with suppliers supplying products to willing (consensual) buyers? But yet d trade is deemed illegal.

So my dear, what constitutes law and crime goes beyond your sentiments about what u refer to as acts performed by 2 consenting adults. Don't try to hide under endsars campaign to give credibility to homosexuality. E no work

Did anybody ask nature about it's laws and it said it's against homosexuality?
If nature was indeed against it why hasn't nature eradicated homosexuality by itself?

You talked about polygamy being illegal in some countries and that's true but are polygamists being persecuted in those countries for identifying as polygamist without trying to have multiple marriages?
The answer is no

[quote author=Obamaofusa post=95077800]LGBT OR WHATEVER YOU CALL YOURSELVES SHOULD KNOW THAT THEY ARE AGAINST GOD.We beg you all to leave and allow sane people to protest.

NO TO LGBGTQ...LGBGTQ.....what arant balderdash!!!!![/quote

just the way you people were killing twins, saying they were evil, until Mary Slessor came. Today we are all enjoing twins. I hope u will not look back and begin to beg God to forgive u for discriminating

Shut up...this is not a gay movement
Stop trying to hijack this Noble movement. It won't work for u
We move!...

Alfred234:
The fact that you can't have a decent conversation without resorting to insult shows that your sense of reasoning is very low.

People are being profiled as gay even when they are not and been extorted by the police same way people with dreads and tattoos are being profiled as Yahoo boys and been extorted and that's what the tweet was trying to address but the homophobia in Nigerians must always jump out.
Where is it written in the law that police are allowed to harass people because they look gay or are even gay without being caught in the act?
The goal still remains to End Police Brutality towards every citizen of Nigeria so why the rage?

Alfred234:
Did anybody ask nature about it's laws and it said it's against homosexuality?
If nature was indeed against it why hasn't nature eradicated homosexuality by itself?

You talked about polygamy being illegal in some countries and that's true but are polygamists being persecuted in those countries for identifying as polygamist without trying to have multiple marriages?
The answer is no

U sound like pot calling kettle black. because u are full of emotions, u ended up shooting urself in d foot.
If u are asking who asked me about nature, d question u should ask urself is who was talking to u? Was I talking to u in d first place? U see how u have ridicled urself?

With all u said u weren't able to negate one thing I said as not being d truth. If u can pls go ahead& negate what I said. What is d persecution u are talking about?

Can u pls tell me why d sexual organ of a woman consists of an opening with a pathway leading into d womb? Can u also tell me y the sexual organ of a man has d shape and size of d pathway in a woman's sex organ and why does it fit in perfectly into that pathway?

Can u use a key to open key? Can u use a padlock to open a padlock? Can u use a car fuel tank to fill a car fuel tank or do u use a nozzle?

Starzo:
Shut up...this is not a gay movement
Stop trying to hijack this Noble movement. It won't work for u
We move!...

Please can you point out where i stated that it has become a gay movement?

Stop letting hate cloud your judgement, we are fighting against oppression but you lots are here trying to oppress people. How are you different from the police we are trying to fight against now?
Na wa

Your agenda will not work
That how u do. You put urself in the midst of people's struggles then slowly use it propagate ur gay agenda. But it won't work with us
Carry ur gay protest comot
We have more pressing issues
We don't want gays here

Alfred234:
Please can you point out where i stated that it has become a gay movement?

Stop letting hate cloud your judgement, we are fighting against oppression but you lots are here trying to oppress people. How are you different from the police we are trying to fight against now?
Na wa

lexy2014:
According to u: "in law when a crime is committed there must be a harm caused to another party as a result of the crime".

That is very untrue. A crime is an act that goes against d laws of d land whether harm is caused to another party or not. D arguments u put forth are watery and have always been d stale defense put up by gay apologists. In many countries of d world, polygamy is a criminal offence. What harm does polygamy cause to anyone if those involved are consenting adults? So ur assertion that because homosexuality is consensual, it exempts it from being a crime is wrong.

What constitutes crime is relative as every society has it's criteria for deciding what is and what isn't a crime. If d govt of nigeria under d then president Jonathan used religion, then so be it. In d words of Uhuru Kenyatta, such laws are a reflection of d prevailing culture of d people of that society. So as far religious tenets and natural laws are concerned, homosexuality is an aberration irrespective of consent. Even if u remove religion from d mix, u still can't justify homosexuality.

Still talking about what constitutes crime or not, like I said it's all a function of how society views such acts& if there are laws criminalising them. If u look at d drug trade, in d real sense, is it a crime or just a business transaction with suppliers supplying products to willing (consensual) buyers? But yet d trade is deemed illegal.

So my dear, what constitutes law and crime goes beyond your sentiments about what u refer to as acts performed by 2 consenting adults. Don't try to hide under endsars campaign to give credibility to homosexuality. E no work

Learned colleague, you got a great point. Yes, the laws of the land is important, meself I am a big supporter of some the laws of land. However you and know we live in a globalization age where people's interect increasingly with one another. Very few things has remained static in those laws land cuz the our society is dynamic and ever changing. If we based all logic for the laws on the laws the land then we'll be stuck.

Really good point on drugs. Again, if you mean hard drugs, these are substance that have very powerful effect on the human body and can kill instantly in cases of overdose. That why governments and approved pharmaceutical companies are license to for the purchase. So in essence drugs are traded but not at consumer levels to avoid dangerous proliferation that again will kill people. I light of this consent is not a validating factor . However, the aspect of physical harm and damages associated with drugs are clear.
Also one other side of it that Anti-money laundering is done using drugs as the commodity of exchange.

Culture is not constant oo. Societies are dynamic and evolve from time to time. If we want to do culture, then we should be in the forest hunting, our women going bare breasted, or killing twins as evil. Those who wish to change will be left behind.

I have learned from your points tho.

wink2015:
Maybe Bobrisky will join you people to actualise the struggle !

So you're saying it's okay for Bobrisky to suffer police brutality because he's Bobrisky?

Samidoh:
Where in his comment did he support police brutality on queer folks

That's what he's indirectly implying