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Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by adams123: 5:48pm On Oct 29, 2020
COME DEFEND CONTRADICTORY VERSES IN THE BIBLE PLS MY CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. —2 Kings 24:8

Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem… —2 Chronicles 36:9
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by coronavirus19: 5:50pm On Oct 29, 2020
techrola:

Emeka you are an idiot, if u don't desist from hurting our feelings by insulting the prophet, wallahi your head will pay for it..
Imagine mods no go see comments like this delete. Very useless people. Killing people aimlessly
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by adams123: 5:52pm On Oct 29, 2020
Lightangel65:


You hold isa, your own version of jesus jesus would come and burn the christains for being misguided.
If you hold jesus to a high regard why do you guys kill his people.

I also read the quran and i i compare too, i even ponder about parts of the bible i don't get.
Even if you guys were respected deapite the killings Muslims do would you guys stop killing.
I loved muslims before, i always thought you guys were the nicest people people not until you guys killed someone i knew then i did my research and found out deep dark stuffs.
If a Christian should kill your loved ones how would you feel


Have you ever see in the Qur'an where it's instructed that the penalty for blasphemy is death?

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Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Nobody: 5:53pm On Oct 29, 2020
Lightangel65:


Allegations did you red the quran? Or the hadith then you didn't see quran 3:8(where he preached killing of non muslims) or his child bride Aisha he slept with at 9 or the beginning where he was tormented by a jinn, or the jewish woman he killed her husband raped her and married(the one who almost killed him by posioning)

You didn't read the quran and hadith didn't you if you did you would know this are facts, i don't have mine with me if i did i would have brought verses

My brother, Surah Ali 'Imran 3:8 ˹They say,˺ “Our Lord! Do not let our hearts deviate after you have guided us. Grant us Your mercy. You are indeed the Giver ˹of all bounties˺..

Again, stop copying things from the net.. When you read a verse, try to understand the circumstances surrounding it. Don't just read everything you see on the internet and assume it's true.

God bless us.

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Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Nobody: 5:55pm On Oct 29, 2020
parkervero:

There is no false allegations in what I said about justifiable killing in Islam. What I said is true which is contained in quran and hadith. I know some Muslims ustaz have reinterpreted some surat and hadith to you to make it look like it is not justified to kill

By the way, let me see what your explanation will be on apostasy in hadith albukhari volume 6922. Read it first before you explain it.

SilverNorGold I just gave you a tips of the iceberg that killing is justified from a trusted hadith. You can reinterpret it to give different meaning.

My brother, I have replied to this.

God bless you.
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by adams123: 5:56pm On Oct 29, 2020
CONTRADICTORY VERSES AGAIN IN THE BIBLE

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. —Romans 3:23

There was a man…who name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. —Job 1:1
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Nitah1: 5:57pm On Oct 29, 2020
SilverNorGold:
The title is better..

May God help us all.





This is Evil..

"Islam"? "cancer"? "Islamic terrorism?" Why drag Islam into this, as if it's what Islam teaches? I have lots of Muslim friends, and I must confess, they're the most important people I have ever come across in my life. I have made business with a lot of people, including Muslims, Christians and Atheists..

I have also read the Qur'an and nowhere does it support terrorism or the killing of innocent people. If you read any book, including the Qur'an and the Bible, to look for something to attack, you'll definitely find, as objective reasoning and contexts will be thrown out of the window.

While I strongly condemn the diabolical acts of the bad eggs in Islam, we should stop portraying them(the bad eggs) as though they are the exemplary Muslims.

Similarly, we should not portray the bad eggs in Christendom -- like The Irish Republican Army (IRA),The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), the National Liberation Front of Tripura, The Anti-balaka(who infamously said: “There are still nine Muslims here. We will capture them. We will kill them. When we finish here, we will go to the next village and kill the Muslims there, too".. ), Army of God(described by Wikipedia as "an American Christian terrorist organization), Concerned Christians., The Phineas Priesthood, the Ku Klux Klan(KKK) -- as exemplary Christians. It's wrong to call them "Christian Terrorists" because of the Unchristian activities of a few.

The truth is, no matter the religion, evil people will definitely justify their actions using any religious books, whether the Bible or the Quran. The Slave Trade, Colonialism, Crusades, Jihadist Conquests, etc.. They all cited or used the Bible and the Qur'an to justify their wicked acts! Such is life! Such is the evil nature of man! Anyone can cherry pick any verse out of context to justify whatever they want to achieve..

May God help humanity.
But your prophet killed a lot of people during his time on earth.


True or False?
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Lightangel65: 5:57pm On Oct 29, 2020
adams123:



Have you ever see in the Qur'an where it's instructed that the penalty for blasphemy is death?

I know blasphemy and Apostasy is punishable by death

Wasn't that supposed to apply to muslims only like the sharia law, the people killed in the news were they blaspheming?
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Emoney08: 5:57pm On Oct 29, 2020
Jesus
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by pandabet(m): 5:57pm On Oct 29, 2020
awon peaceful religion at it again
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by adams123: 5:58pm On Oct 29, 2020
CONTRADICTORY VERSES IN D BIBLE

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. —Mark 15:25

…about the sixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. —John 19:14-1
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Lightangel65: 6:00pm On Oct 29, 2020
adams123:
CONTRADICTORY VERSES AGAIN IN THE BIBLE

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. —Romans 3:23

There was a man…who name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. —Job 1:1


Its the translation missguiding you some other translation used purehearted. Even job had sinned at some point And from the bible perfection is based on your heart and how you love others even your enemies like jesus(issa) did.
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Nobody: 6:00pm On Oct 29, 2020
Nitah1:
But your prophet killed a lot of people during his time on earth.


True or False?

My brother, I am a Christian. Anyway, in battlefield, right? Yes, just as the Israelites killed people as instructed by God Almighty.

God bless you.
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Lightangel65: 6:01pm On Oct 29, 2020
adams123:
CONTRADICTORY VERSES IN D BIBLE

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. —Mark 15:25

…about the sixth hour…they cried out…crucify him….Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. —John 19:14-1


How doez this now justify killing
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by APOSTLECHUMA: 6:01pm On Oct 29, 2020
Dont blame islam, blame Sarah who pushed Abraham into going into Hagar which led to the birth of Ishmael and since then, humanity has not known peace.

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Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by adams123: 6:02pm On Oct 29, 2020
CONTRADICTORY VERSES IN THE BIBLE TO BE CLARIFIED BY MY CRHISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS.

Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death. —II Samuel 6:23

But the king took the two sons of Rizpah…and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul. —II Samuel 21:8
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Karlovich: 6:03pm On Oct 29, 2020
Lorenzop:


I tell you this man...Europe made a big mistake they will forever regret by accepting those Muslims from war torn countries, those people are even more fanatic than imagined.... Most of them are terrorists in the making
Some of them are undocumented, most of these EU countries are beginning to witness the ugly events that come with that
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by God1stson(m): 6:04pm On Oct 29, 2020
Karlovich:
Another one from the fools that abandoned their original shithole countries due to unrest and at the same are unwilling to abide by the laws and enjoy the freedom of their new country. Maybe Europe and other first world countries should stop accepting them. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE should start accepting them. Woke EU countries should better wake the f**k up
This attach will influence US voters/ election. Trump may not be loved, but these events are to his favor. HERE COMES TRUMP AS THE POTUS.
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by parkervero(m): 6:05pm On Oct 29, 2020
SilverNorGold:


1. My brother, first, there's no compulsion in religion, according to Qur'an 2.256.. In the Islamic kabbalah, the Qur'an is the most authoritative. Any sayings that goes against it is null and void.

2. There are two types of apostasy in Islam: Simple Apostasy and Complete Apostasy.. Simple apostasy is when someone decides not to follow Islam. This is permitted in the Qur'an, as there's no compulsion in religion.

However, the Complete Apostasy is when one leaves Islam and then begins to attack it. Historically, such elements once conspired with the enemies of Islam to persecute the Muslims. Hence, the resistance. It was like treason at the time. Similarly, the verses you quoted referred to an atheist, who attacked the tenets of Islam.

"Verily, those who believed and then disbelieved, then believed and then disbelieved and increased in disbelief, never will Allah forgive them nor will He guide them to a right way."

Surah An-Nisa 4:137.. Hete, Allah didn't instruct anyone to kill them, but rather, assured them of their punishment afterlife.

"There is no compulsion in religion. The truth is distinct from misguidance."

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:256..


"Say: The truth is from your Lord. So whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve."

Surah Al-Kahf 18:29


But see what Allah said about the complete apostasy:

"A man who rejects Islam and wages war against Allah the Exalted and His Messenger."

Source: Sunan An-Nasa’i 4048

The waging of the war against Allah is the emphasis, not the apostasy. Here's what Allah says about Waging war:

"Whoever kills others, spreads corruption in the land, wages war against Allah and His Messenger, and he joins the unbelievers before he is subdued, then there is nothing to prevent the legal punishment from being applied to him because of what he did."

Source: Sunan An-Nasa’i 4046..

Here, it's obvious apostasy and waging war on Islam, Allah and his Prophet is frowned upon.

Brother, you tried. I love the copy and paste reinterpretation from your source.

Although, you seem not to agree to the fact that killing is justified even with what you just copied.

From the same volume albukhari, the first sentence talks about burning atheists (Zanadiqa) (which is also killing) by Ali. But remember, when Ibn Abass heard it, he said, if it were to be him, won't have burned them but killed them (that is, Zanadiqa) because muhammad has told them to kill.

Isn't this enough evidence to killing justification in Islam?

From the copy and paste you dropped, you quoted qn2:256 no compulsion in religion but you didn't see the volume we discussing go the opposite way of that sura? When there is apostasy in religion, that is a clear cut compulsion, that you must not do any other religion except Islam.

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Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by adams123: 6:07pm On Oct 29, 2020
Lightangel65:


How doez this now justify killing

I'm not justifying any killing.. BLASPHEMY IS NOT A KILLING OFFENSE IN ISLAM. THERE ARE OFFENSES THAT WILL NECESSITATE PUTTING ONE TO DEATH.
But I'm telling you that there are errors in the Bible and for book of guidance to humanity from God Almighty supposed not to have any error or contradiction
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by parkervero(m): 6:08pm On Oct 29, 2020
SilverNorGold:

My brother, I have replied to this.
God bless you.
Please stop copying and paste explanation

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Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by IkpuMmadu: 6:09pm On Oct 29, 2020
Karlovich:
Another one from the fools that abandoned their original shithole countries due to unrest and at the same are unwilling to abide by the laws and enjoy the freedom of their new country. Maybe Europe and other first world countries should stop accepting them. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE should start accepting them. Woke EU countries should better wake the f**k up

I wonder why europe wouldn't deport those muslim trouble makers.... they Re always fighting killing and maiming all just because of drawing


europe should just found them up and deport them
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by parkervero(m): 6:10pm On Oct 29, 2020
adams123:


I'm not justifying any killing.. BLASPHEMY IS NOT A KILLING OFFENSE IN ISLAM. THERE ARE OFFENSES THAT WILL NECESSITATE PUTTING ONE TO DEATH.
But I'm telling you that there are errors in the Bible and for book of guidance to humanity from God Almighty supposed not to have any error or contradiction

The book that is filled up with errors is quran.
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by adams123: 6:11pm On Oct 29, 2020
CONTRADICTION IN THE BIBLE


Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. —Matthew 10:34

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. —John 16:33
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by adams123: 6:11pm On Oct 29, 2020
parkervero:

The book that is filled up with errors is quran.

point them out please bros
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by adams123: 6:13pm On Oct 29, 2020
U guys need to learn ISLAM before it's too late...if u died as non Muslim you are heading to hell fire direct. I want to pray now please. thanks
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Nobody: 6:17pm On Oct 29, 2020
parkervero:


Brother, you tried. I love the copy and paste reinterpretation from your source.

Although, you seem not to agree to the fact that killing is justified even with what you just copied.

From the same volume albukhari, the first sentence talks about burning atheists (Zanadiqa) (which is also killing) by Ali. But remember, when Ibn Abass heard it, he said, if it were to be him, won't have burned them but killed them (that is, Zanadiqa) because muhammad has told them to kill.

Isn't this enough evidence to killing justification in Islam?

From the copy and paste you dropped, you quoted qn2:256 no compulsion in religion but you didn't see the volume we discussing go the opposite way of that sura? When there is apostasy in religion, that is a clear cut compulsion, that you must not do any other religion except Islam.

1. My brother, I quoted the Holy Book, and you are saying "copying and pasting"? Lol, funny..

2. At the emboldened, you are regurgitating same thing. I already explained that, even told you about the Islamic hierarchy, the types of apostasy, which I justified by quoting the Qur'an(which you accused me of copying and pasting).. The atheists behave like our Nairaland atheists behave, attack Allah, Islam and his Prophet, which is punishable. This is the major or complete apostasy I talked about. However, Islam doesn't support killing of people who left Islam or doesn't believe in Islam. I cited verses from the Qur'an, see my previous post.

The issue is on waging war on Allah and his Prophet after dumping Islam, and I cited the Book. Please go back and reread them.

3. You are still repeating the same thing.

May God help us all.
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Nobody: 6:20pm On Oct 29, 2020
parkervero:

Please stop copying and paste explanation


My brother, they are my explanations, backed by quotations from the Qur'an and other authorities. They are not copy and paste. They are my explanations. I also cited sources, which are there..

God bless us all.
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by DrChukki: 6:21pm On Oct 29, 2020
Fountainofyouth:
It is not known or stated if the teacher or whoever insulted or degraded their prophet is a christian, of which the person has already been beheaded,

So my question is, why attack people in a church? What has Christianity got to do with this? What if the teacher or whoever wasn't a Christian? Why is it that their go-to counter attack is always Christians? Is Christianity the only non-muslim religion? Why not attack other religion if you all are not scared of them, why attack only Christians because they will never retaliate?

These shows that Muslims have a special hard-on for Christianity only, our peaceful nature is a threat to their very existence and blood spilling way of life.

My brother, if you've read the Koran very well you will get an answer to your worries.

Their dumb prophet kept mentioning Christians and the Jew in his words.

I read Koran almost everyday and I will advise you to get one. In fact every Christian needs to have a Koran.

The prophet told them never to accept Christians as friends because they don't do what pleases Allah.

At every instance, he always make mention of Christians and the Jews. The worst of it is he never says anything good about them.

Unlike the Bible that never mentioned any religion, neither did it ever ask you to hate anyone.

But Koran teaches that every believer (moslem) should hate the infidels (non-moslems) and that they don't deserve to live because Allah hates them.

That's what gave birth to terrorism in Islam but they will tell you that Boko Haram are not Muslims... But they read the words of their prophet before they carry out their babaric acts.

I'm not writing this out of sentiment. I'm writing it based on what I've read from the Koran. Any Muslim that disagrees with me should prove me wrong from the Koran.

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Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by compton11(m): 6:22pm On Oct 29, 2020
azmanaty2:
Islam is a cancer to the world
and the pain goes to you
Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Benitoh: 6:22pm On Oct 29, 2020
Why are you ashame of your religion? Be a proud Muslim and a hardliner
SilverNorGold:
The title is better..

May God help us all.





This is Evil..

"Islam"? "cancer"? "Islamic terrorism?" Why drag Islam into this, as if it's what Islam teaches? I have lots of Muslim friends, and I must confess, they're the most important people I have ever come across in my life. I have made business with a lot of people, including Muslims, Christians and Atheists..

I have also read the Qur'an and nowhere does it support terrorism or the killing of innocent people. If you read any book, including the Qur'an and the Bible, to look for something to attack, you'll definitely find, as objective reasoning and contexts will be thrown out of the window.

While I strongly condemn the diabolical acts of the bad eggs in Islam, we should stop portraying them(the bad eggs) as though they are the exemplary Muslims.

Similarly, we should not portray the bad eggs in Christendom -- like The Irish Republican Army (IRA),The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), the National Liberation Front of Tripura, The Anti-balaka(who infamously said: “There are still nine Muslims here. We will capture them. We will kill them. When we finish here, we will go to the next village and kill the Muslims there, too".. ), Army of God(described by Wikipedia as "an American Christian terrorist organization), Concerned Christians., The Phineas Priesthood, the Ku Klux Klan(KKK) -- as exemplary Christians. It's wrong to call them "Christian Terrorists" because of the Unchristian activities of a few.

The truth is, no matter the religion, evil people will definitely justify their actions using any religious books, whether the Bible or the Quran. The Slave Trade, Colonialism, Crusades, Jihadist Conquests, etc.. They all cited or used the Bible and the Qur'an to justify their wicked acts! Such is life! Such is the evil nature of man! Anyone can cherry pick any verse out of context to justify whatever they want to achieve..

May God help humanity.

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Re: Nice, France Knife Church Attack: Three Dead, Several Hurt by Benitoh: 6:25pm On Oct 29, 2020
When Trump was warning you people for opening your doors to Arabs you all called him racist. Please carry your cross in peace.

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