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under Yoruba Tradition i heard that IDI- IGI Method is used to Share a Property when two Wives had Children for a man .It is said that the Properties would be Divided into two ,The Children of the first wife takes 50% while the Children of the second woman takes 50%. I also heard about the Ori-Ojori Method too whereby all the Children has equal shares .....My question is this . How about a situation whereby the Two Women who had Children for the man had left him so long time before He Dies ,Secondly the two women was never Legally Married to the Deceased man ,They both came ,Lived with the Deceased man ,had Children for him and both left the man for several Years before He died .He died a Single father.Leaving 4 Children behind ,3 Males from first woman ,One female from the second woman ,Making 4 Children with 4 pieces of room and Parlour self contain on a Plot of Land . Under Nigeria Law I read that Wives cannot Inherit there Husband's point Number one ,Even if at that ,These two women were not Legally married to this Man ,to crown it all ,Both of them had already left this man before he died. .My question is this " How will the Property be shared ? Is it still with Idi- Igi to be shared into two ,3 Males from same woman get half of the property and the 1 Female gets half or Ori ojori method whereby all the children gets equal shares .In Fairness and Natural Justice please Lawyers in the House your input is Needed.Thanks .

Lawyer and Elders in the House .

You need free legal advice. Go to office and consult one eh,Osho free

tobechi74:
You need free legal advice. Go to office and consult one eh,Osho free

. Thanks for the Insult.

finaleeec:
under Yoruba Tradition i heard that IDI- IGI Method is used to Share a Property when two Wives had Children for a man .It is said that the Properties would be Divided into two ,The Children of the first wife takes 50% while the Children of the second woman takes 50%. I also heard about the Ori-Ojori Method too whereby all the Children has equal shares .....My question is this . How about a situation whereby the Two Women who had Children for the man had left him so long time before He Dies ,Secondly the two women was never Legally Married to the Deceased man ,They both came ,Lived with the Deceased man ,had Children for him and both left the man for several Years before He died .He died a Single father.Leaving 4 Children behind ,3 Males from first woman ,One female from the second woman ,Making 4 Children with 4 pieces of room and Parlour self contain on a Plot of Land . Under Nigeria Law I read that Wives cannot Inherit there Husband's point Number one ,Even if at that ,These two women were not Legally married to this Man ,to crown it all ,Both of them had already left this man before he died. .My question is this " How will the Property be shared ? Is it still with Idi- Igi to be shared into two ,3 Males from same woman get half of the property and the 1 Female gets half or Ori ojori method whereby all the children gets equal shares .In Fairness and Natural Justice please Lawyers in the House your input is Needed.Thanks .

In fairness and natural justice, such sweet words to my ears, so let's go.

First, the concept of idi-igi and ori-ojori are admirable attempts by the Yoruba Peoples to do that which is right and good to deliver good justice to all who require it.

Therefore, idi-igi and ori-ojori are not the only good way of resolving the dispute, there will always be other good and fair means of resolving any dispute.

Secondly, On "How about a situation whereby the Two Women who had Children for the man had left him so long time before He Dies." Natural Law is a lover of Reasonable Freedom and the exercise of freewill, therefore, it will never Compell anyone to remain in any marriage, neither will it punish anyone for departing from the marriage.

Under Natural Law the purpose of marriage is for all the good that can come out from companionship, thus if the companions no longer want the companionship, then they shall be free to leave, without Any Wicked Consequences.

Thirdly, On "the two women was never Legally Married to the Deceased man". Under Natural Law, where a man cohabits with a woman, as husband and wife, They Are indeed husband and wife. For save for the soothing of the families affected by the Union, A marriage is formed immediately the couples Consent to cohabit together as man and wife and they Represent Same to the Whole world. (Consent makes the Law).

So under Natural Law, there is no requirement for a formal celebration of the marriage, for immediately the couples cohabit as husband and wife, Marriage is Presumed and Upheld!

Fourthly, On "He died a Single father.Leaving 4 Children behind ,3 Males from first woman ,One female from the second woman," since the women exercised their right to leave the marriage, from the period of their departure, they can not be said to be entitled to any benefit arising and due to the man since they have also relinquished their liability owed him (He who does the work, must get his wages).

However, when it comes to the fruits (children) of the marriage, different natural laws come into play.

Children are a product of the conscious act and will of a husband and wife. And children come with a liability first placed on the couples themselves, such that even if the couples, uncouple, the liability still remains.

Therefore, once children are born, burdens are placed on the couple, for it is against Natural Law to unreasonably place burdens, created by some persons, on others (society,). For it is another Rule of Natural Law that All persons must be catered and cared for.

So even though the couples are separated, they are both still responsible for the good welfare of their children.

And this is why it is immaterial that "the man died a single father". The man till his death remains liable and responsible for the good welfare of the product of his activities, both he and the mothers of the children.

So, what is the good judgment on how his property is to be shared? The Just and Right and Fair Answer is EQUALLY!!!

For all the children, are children of equal standing and class, None is Higher than the other, in that they are all Equally owed the Natural Law duty of care and good wellbeing as a right from their father and a Gift From Nature.

Dtruthspeaker:
In fairness and natural justice, such sweet words to my ears, so let's go.

First, the concept of idi-igi and ori-ojori are admirable attempts by the Yoruba Peoples to do that which is right and good to deliver good justice to all who require it.

Therefore, idi-igi and ori-ojori are not the only good way of resolving the dispute, there will always be other good and fair means of resolving any dispute.

Secondly, On "How about a situation whereby the Two Women who had Children for the man had left him so long time before He Dies." Natural Law is a lover of Reasonable Freedom and the exercise of freewill, therefore, it will never Compell anyone to remain in any marriage, neither will it punish anyone for departing from the marriage.

Under Natural Law the purpose of marriage is for all the good that can come out from companionship, thus if the companions no longer want the companionship, then they shall be free to leave, without Any Wicked Consequences.

Thirdly, On "the two women was never Legally Married to the Deceased man". Under Natural Law, where a man cohabits with a woman, as husband and wife, They Are indeed husband and wife. For save for the soothing of the families affected by the Union, A marriage is formed immediately the couples Consent to cohabit together as man and wife and they Represent Same to the Whole world. (Consent makes the Law).

So under Natural Law, there is no requirement for a formal celebration of the marriage, for immediately the couples cohabit as husband and wife, Marriage is Presumed and Upheld!

Fourthly, On "He died a Single father.Leaving 4 Children behind ,3 Males from first woman ,One female from the second woman," since the women exercised their right to leave the marriage, from the period of their departure, they can not be said to be entitled to any benefit arising and due to the man since they have also relinquished their liability owed him (He who does the work, must get his wages).

However, when it comes to the fruits (children) of the marriage, different natural laws come into play.

Children are a product of the conscious act and will of a husband and wife. And children come with a liability first placed on the couples themselves, such that even if the couples, uncouple, the liability still remains.

Therefore, once children are born, burdens are placed on the couple, for it is against Natural Law to unreasonably place burdens, created by some persons, on others (society,). For it is another Rule of Natural Law that All persons must be catered and cared for.

So even though the couples are separated, they are both still responsible for the good welfare of their children.

And this is why it is immaterial that "the man died a single father". The man till his death remains liable and responsible for the good welfare of the product of his activities, both he and the mothers of the children.

So, what is the good judgment on how his property is to be shared? The Just and Right and Fair Answer is EQUALLY!!!

For all the children, are children of equal standing and class, None is Higher than the other, in that they are all Equally owed the Natural Law duty of care and good wellbeing as a right from their father and a Gift From Nature.

. Hmmm! Never seen such a Brilliant Analysis of yours before .You touched every Areas of the Matter .God bless you for this Wisdom .From the Content of your Response .If I get right it means all the 4 Children should be given One room and Parlour each as there are also 4 rooms and Parlour on the one plot .." EQUALLY. ? Another area I want to argue with U is the context of a Woman been a man's responsibility even after she had left the man ,Thought the man responsibility has to be on the Child only ,U mean when a woman leaves a Man to marry another man ,Such woman would still be catered for by the man he left when she is already a responsibility of another man .?

finaleeec:
. Hmmm! Never seen such a Brilliant Analysis of yours before .You touched every Areas of the Matter .God bless you for this Wisdom .From the Content of your Response .If I get right it means all the 4 Children should be given One room and Parlour each as there are also 4 rooms and Parlour on the one plot .." EQUALLY. ?

I praise The Lord for teaching me many many things for I found that He is The God Over The Law and He is The Maker of It. Therefore, I am taught The Law from Source!

"From the Content of your Response .If I get right it means all the 4 Children should be given One room and Parlour each as there are also 4 rooms and Parlour on the one plot .." EQUALLY. ?"- Yes, that would be the right and just decision.

finaleeec:
Another area I want to argue with U is the context of a Woman been a man's responsibility even after she had left the man ,Thought the man responsibility has to be on the Child only ,U mean when a woman leaves a Man to marry another man ,Such woman would still be catered for by the man he left when she is already a responsibility of another man .?

On "a Woman been a man's responsibility even after she had left the man" I never said that a woman is a man's responsibility, in fact, I have never.presented my opinion on this subject until now.

My opinion is this, Under Natural Law, a man and woman are of equal standing and none is greater than the other.

But, it is seen that the woman wrongfully makes herself less than the man, thinking she is under the good graces and protection of the man, therefore, she brings little to the marriage table, while the man wrongfully bears the bulk.

This of course tilts the natural balance for this action brings in the Law of harvest that is you plant little, you must harvest little/you plant huge, you must have a huge harvest) To whom much is given, much is expected (taken)!

But where the marriage is equal, the husband is not greater than the wife and based on their equality, as they freely joined forces and resources, so also are they free to take themselves out of the union without any further liability, for where there is a liability, there must be a corresponding benefit (He who bears the risks must bear the profit).

And in a balanced marriage the liability and the profits were evenly shared, therefore, there is no talk of further liability to be placed on either party since the benefits too have been terminated.

Thus, every woman who leaves a previous marriage becomes an Independent Stranger and is liable to herself alone, (or such other person that may consent to her being a liability to him), in the absence of reasonable justifiable circumstance.

Dtruthspeaker:
I praise The Lord for teaching me many many things for I found that He is The God Over The Law and He is The Maker of It. Therefore, I am taught The Law from Source!

"From the Content of your Response .If I get right it means all the 4 Children should be given One room and Parlour each as there are also 4 rooms and Parlour on the one plot .." EQUALLY. ?"- Yes, that would be the right and just decision.




On "a Woman been a man's responsibility even after she had left the man" I never said that a woman is a man's responsibility, in fact, I have never.presented my opinion on this subject until now.

My opinion is this, Under Natural Law, a man and woman are of equal standing and none is greater than the other.

But, it is seen that the woman wrongfully makes herself less than the man, thinking she is under the good graces and protection of the man, therefore, she brings little to the marriage table, while the man wrongfully bears the bulk.

This of course tilts the natural balance for this action brings in the Law of harvest that is you plant little, you must harvest little/you plant huge, you must have a huge harvest) To whom much is given, much is expected (taken)!

But where the marriage is equal, the husband is not greater than the wife and based on their equality, as they freely joined forces and resources, so also are they free to take themselves out of the union without any further liability, for where there is a liability, there must be a corresponding benefit (He who bears the risks must bear the profit).

And in a balanced marriage the liability and the profits were evenly shared, therefore, there is no talk of further liability to be placed on either party since the benefits too have been terminated.

Thus, every woman who leaves a previous marriage becomes an Independent Stranger and is liable to herself alone, (or such other person that may consent to her being a liability to him), in the absence of reasonable justifiable circumstance.

. Thanks for your Insight .I really Appreciate .You have thrown more light on this Property Sharing .The first Son of this Family happens to be a close friend of mine and he therefore told me to help him throw this on the internet so people can comments and Contribute.The first Son has indeed Shared the Apartments into 4 equally among His Brothers and Sister including him .But the Only Girl who is the Last born is Demanding for two Apartments for herself , Mentioning that the other two Apartments Apartments Should be shared among the 3 Men .She is more than 30years now ,Not yet Married .But the Men Objected to that .Funny enough she is even asking that the whole Plot of Land should be sold ,A Land where her Late father was Buried which was also Rejected by the Males,The first Son suggested Half should be sold while the other part there father is Buried be left behind ,This same Girl said No as well .This was exactly the wish of this girl's mother before she died .Well The First Son Rejected that .

finaleeec:
. Thanks for your Insight .I really Appreciate .You have thrown more light on this Property Sharing .The first Son of this Family happens to be a close friend of mine and he therefore told me to help him throw this on the internet so people can comments and Contribute.The first Son has indeed Shared the Apartments into 4 equally among His Brothers and Sister including him .But the Only Girl who is the Last born is Demanding for two Apartments for herself , Mentioning that the other two Apartments Apartments Should be shared among the 3 Men .She is more than 30years now ,Not yet Married .But the Men Objected to that .Funny enough she is even asking that the whole Plot of Land should be sold ,A Land where her Late father was Buried which was also Rejected by the Males,The first Son suggested Half should be sold while the other part there father is Buried be left behind ,This same Girl said No as well .This was exactly the wish of this girl's mother before she died .Well The First Son Rejected that .

He has done well in doing that which is right.

Dtruthspeaker:
In fairness and natural justice, such sweet words to my ears, so let's go.

First, the concept of idi-igi and ori-ojori are admirable attempts by the Yoruba Peoples to do that which is right and good to deliver good justice to all who require it.

Therefore, idi-igi and ori-ojori are not the only good way of resolving the dispute, there will always be other good and fair means of resolving any dispute.

Secondly, On "How about a situation whereby the Two Women who had Children for the man had left him so long time before He Dies." Natural Law is a lover of Reasonable Freedom and the exercise of freewill, therefore, it will never Compell anyone to remain in any marriage, neither will it punish anyone for departing from the marriage.

Under Natural Law the purpose of marriage is for all the good that can come out from companionship, thus if the companions no longer want the companionship, then they shall be free to leave, without Any Wicked Consequences.

Thirdly, On "the two women was never Legally Married to the Deceased man". Under Natural Law, where a man cohabits with a woman, as husband and wife, They Are indeed husband and wife. For save for the soothing of the families affected by the Union, A marriage is formed immediately the couples Consent to cohabit together as man and wife and they Represent Same to the Whole world. (Consent makes the Law).

So under Natural Law, there is no requirement for a formal celebration of the marriage, for immediately the couples cohabit as husband and wife, Marriage is Presumed and Upheld!

Fourthly, On "He died a Single father.Leaving 4 Children behind ,3 Males from first woman ,One female from the second woman," since the women exercised their right to leave the marriage, from the period of their departure, they can not be said to be entitled to any benefit arising and due to the man since they have also relinquished their liability owed him (He who does the work, must get his wages).

However, when it comes to the fruits (children) of the marriage, different natural laws come into play.

Children are a product of the conscious act and will of a husband and wife. And children come with a liability first placed on the couples themselves, such that even if the couples, uncouple, the liability still remains.

Therefore, once children are born, burdens are placed on the couple, for it is against Natural Law to unreasonably place burdens, created by some persons, on others (society,). For it is another Rule of Natural Law that All persons must be catered and cared for.

So even though the couples are separated, they are both still responsible for the good welfare of their children.

And this is why it is immaterial that "the man died a single father". The man till his death remains liable and responsible for the good welfare of the product of his activities, both he and the mothers of the children.

So, what is the good judgment on how his property is to be shared? The Just and Right and Fair Answer is EQUALLY!!!

For all the children, are children of equal standing and class, None is Higher than the other, in that they are all Equally owed the Natural Law duty of care and good wellbeing as a right from their father and a Gift From Nature.

under natural law, u really talk sense

anthonyuncle:
under natural law, u really talk sense

I am unable to clearly tell if you are being sarcastic, if it is so, then could you share why you think my opinion is wrong?

If its me, I won't even bother too much. I'd simply share the 4 rooms to the 4 kids equally. As for the women, nothing for them. Issue resolved

Dtruthspeaker:
I am unable to clearly tell if you are being sarcastic, if it is so, then could you share why you think my opinion is wrong?

. He supported you now .

knowhowk:
. He supported you now .

It looks that way but it also appears to be sarcastic and I am not adverse to opposing views for it is an opportunity to discover if my position is wrong and where I may be wrong, if any.

And I do love being right, but the way to be right is that you have been thoroughly examined.

Dtruthspeaker:
I am unable to clearly tell if you are being sarcastic, if it is so, then could you share why you think my opinion is wrong?

don't get it twisted,

u ain't wrong

anthonyuncle:
don't get it twisted,

u ain't wrong

Oh, I thank you!

finaleeec:
under Yoruba Tradition i heard that IDI- IGI Method is used to Share a Property when two Wives had Children for a man .It is said that the Properties would be Divided into two ,The Children of the first wife takes 50% while the Children of the second woman takes 50%. I also heard about the Ori-Ojori Method too whereby all the Children has equal shares .....My question is this . How about a situation whereby the Two Women who had Children for the man had left him so long time before He Dies ,Secondly the two women was never Legally Married to the Deceased man ,They both came ,Lived with the Deceased man ,had Children for him and both left the man for several Years before He died .He died a Single father.Leaving 4 Children behind ,3 Males from first woman ,One female from the second woman ,Making 4 Children with 4 pieces of room and Parlour self contain on a Plot of Land . Under Nigeria Law I read that Wives cannot Inherit there Husband's point Number one ,Even if at that ,These two women were not Legally married to this Man ,to crown it all ,Both of them had already left this man before he died. .My question is this " How will the Property be shared ? Is it still with Idi- Igi to be shared into two ,3 Males from same woman get half of the property and the 1 Female gets half or Ori ojori method whereby all the children gets equal shares .In Fairness and Natural Justice please Lawyers in the House your input is Needed.Thanks .

Were they legally divorced, or even married?

Bendusx:
Were they legally divorced, or even married?

None of the women were Legally Married in the first place to the Deceased man not to even talk of been legally divorced. They were not legally married ,They were not legally divorced .Your Comment sir ?

I also have a Question too .If a man Had two women ,the two women had Children for him ,The two women had moved out of the man's house to marry another man Differently ,The man later died ,When sharing the property would they still Consider the number of women that had Children for the man to share the Property or the number of children the man left behind only .To me I believe IDI IGI stands for a wife in a man's home ,Since The Two IDI IGI ,The two women had already left the man for another men ,Will it be IDI IGI or Ori Ojori .?