"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life".

As this verse explained, the only way we can have everlasting life is by believing in Jesus.

Now let's go deeper. What does it mean to believe? To my understanding, it means to hold on to what you have heard/seen/read without an iota of doubt no matter what the physical/fact shows.

Now, we're to believe everything about Jesus to have everlasting life. What are the things or some of the things Jesus did for us to believe?
1). In the old testament, the blood of bulls and other animals were shed by the high priest and sprinkled by him on the Ark of Covenant (Mercy Seat) for the forgiveness of sins for the Israelites. Only blood (pure and clean) must be shed for sins to be forgiven. But the high priest had to do this once a year and this sacrifice cannot completely wash away all sins including future sins. And so, a provision was made for a new covenant where our perfect High Priest, Jesus, came once and for all to wipe away ALL our sins - past, present and future. We need to believe that all our sins have been forgiven. You think this will make u wanna sin more? Meditate on Romans Chapter 6.

2). In the old covenant, when the Israelites sinned or did not fear the Lord their God, instead of the blessings they were meant to receive in Deuteronomy 28, they received the curses in that same chapter, until they cried to God and begged for forgiveness. In the new covenant, it is written in Galatians 3:13 that Christ already redeemed us from the curse of the law. Every curses in the old testament, Christ Jesus already became those curses for us so that ONLY through Him we can be curse-free. We're to believe that Jesus already took every curses in the Bible and through Him, we have the blessings in the Bible, not because of what we've done or who we were or are, but because of His grace and love for us.

3). In the old testament, no one could come boldly to the presence of God because of sin. Only the high priest could approach the Ark of Covenant (God's presence), and he couldn't just go as he liked, he could only go once in a year with blood of animals for the forgiveness of sins (the book of Leviticus). But now, in the new covenant, Jesus took all our infirmities, sins, sicknesses, weaknesses, anxieties etc when He was on the cross and gave us His righteousness as a gift (Romans 4:13, Romans 9:30, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Romans 10:4, Jeremiah 23:6, Romans 5:17-19, Romans 4:5). Indeed, there was a divine exchange on the cross. So now, we can believe that only through Jesus can we approach the presence of God/the Throne of Grace with all boldness and speak with our Heavenly Abba Father and be confident that He's not counting our sins and He Himself said that our sins and lawless deeds He'll remember no more! (Hebrews 8:12, Hebrews 10:17, Jeremiah 31:33-34). This is also what we need to believe as a Christian!

4). I can't begin to write all that Jesus did on the cross for us because I'm still learning each day. It's not enough to believe He died for us (although it's a start). Where Christ said that He's come to give us life and life more abundantly, many people will argue and say that the life is only the life in Heaven, and that on earth we are to struggle and earn God's love, peace, favor, mercy and grace. Because of what Jesus did for us, God sees us through the lens of Jesus (as one of my favorite Pastors would say). And just as the Bible says "As Jesus is, so are we in this world" (1 John 4:17). As Jesus is without lack, so are u in this world. As Jesus is healthy, so are u in this world. As Jesus is so are you! Begin to declare this to yourself and see yourself gradually becoming Christ-like!

Please do not take in word for word, hook line and sinker, study the verses and chapters in the Bible and ask God for knowledge because you can't know all. Open your hearts to the Holy Spirit and ask Him to enlighten you on the truth. Not what your pastor is saying or what you think is right. Humans fail, God hasn't/won't fail.

LisaAnneMia:
3). In the old testament, no one could come boldly to the presence of God because of sin. Only the high priest could approach the Ark of Covenant (God's presence), and he couldn't just go as he liked, he could only go once in a year with blood of animals for the forgiveness of sins (the book of Leviticus). But now, in the new covenant, Jesus took all our infirmities, sins, sicknesses, weaknesses, anxieties etc when He was on the cross and gave us His righteousness as a gift (Romans 4:13, Romans 9:30, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Romans 10:4, Jeremiah 23:6, Romans 5:17-19, Romans 4:5). Indeed, there was a divine exchange on the cross. So now, we can believe that only through Jesus can we approach the presence of God/the Throne of Grace with all boldness and speak with our Heavenly Abba Father and be confident that He's not counting our sins and He Himself said that our sins and lawless deeds He'll remember no more! (Hebrews 8:12, Hebrews 10:17, Jeremiah 31:33-34). This is also what we need to believe as a Christian!

4). I can't begin to write all that Jesus did on the cross for us because I'm still learning each day. It's not enough to believe He died for us (although it's a start). Where Christ said that He's come to give us life and life more abundantly, many people will argue and say that the life is only the life in Heaven, and that on earth we are to struggle and earn God's love, peace, favor, mercy and grace. Because of what Jesus did for us, God sees us through the lens of Jesus (as one of my favorite Pastors would say). And just as the Bible says "As Jesus is, so are we in this world" (1 John 4:17). As Jesus is without lack, so are u in this world. As Jesus is healthy, so are u in this world. As Jesus is so are you! Begin to declare this to yourself and see yourself gradually becoming Christ-like!

Please do not take in word for word, hook line and sinker, study the verses and chapters in the Bible and ask God for knowledge because you can't know all. Open your hearts to the Holy Spirit and ask Him to enlighten you on the truth. Not what your pastor is saying or what you think is right. Humans fail, God hasn't/won't fail.

you know how to steal someone's moniker sha

Anyone who has never changed his core beliefs or religion is yet to die to his old self. Dying to old self is prerequisite to a new birth. A seed has to be buried to the ground before it can germinate. Many atheist and agnostic are dead to their old self. They are one step ahead than most of us who are yet to question our belief. The second step is observation. Not one created by someone else but one based on his own seeking and experience. A born again person does not take things because it is repeated by many or asserted by majority or written in a holy book. He listens to all side and filters them based on his reason and experience.


Born again persons are original in thoughts and deed. He is saperated from the mass . To be born again comes with a price of violating recognises order. This lead to grave consequences including death .

LisaAnne:
you know how to steal someone's moniker sha

Oh my gosh!

Genuine given comes out of love simple.. you can't truely give if you lack love.

Genuine given comes out of love simple.. you can't truely give if you lack love.

LisaAnneMia:
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life".

As this verse explained, the only way we can have everlasting life is by believing in Jesus.

Now let's go deeper. What does it mean to believe? To my understanding, it means to hold on to what you have heard/seen/read without an iota of doubt no matter what the physical/fact shows.

Now, we're to believe everything about Jesus to have everlasting life. What are the things or some of the things Jesus did for us to believe?
1). In the old testament, the blood of bulls and other animals were shed by the high priest and sprinkled by him on the Ark of Covenant (Mercy Seat) for the forgiveness of sins for the Israelites. Only blood (pure and clean) must be shed for sins to be forgiven. But the high priest had to do this once a year and this sacrifice cannot completely wash away all sins including future sins. And so, a provision was made for a new covenant where our perfect High Priest, Jesus, came once and for all to wipe away ALL our sins - past, present and future. We need to believe that all our sins have been forgiven. You think this will make u wanna sin more? Meditate on Romans Chapter 6.

2). In the old covenant, when the Israelites sinned or did not fear the Lord their God, instead of the blessings they were meant to receive in Deuteronomy 28, they received the curses in that same chapter, until they cried to God and begged for forgiveness. In the new covenant, it is written in Galatians 3:13 that Christ already redeemed us from the curse of the law. Every curses in the old testament, Christ Jesus already became those curses for us so that ONLY through Him we can be curse-free. We're to believe that Jesus already took every curses in the Bible and through Him, we have the blessings in the Bible, not because of what we've done or who we were or are, but because of His grace and love for us.

As this verse explained, the only way we can have everlasting life is by believing in Jesus.

Now let's go deeper. What does it mean to believe? To my understanding, it means to hold on to what you have heard/seen/read without an iota of doubt no matter what the physical/fact shows.

Now, we're to believe everything about Jesus to have everlasting life. What are the things or some of the things Jesus did for us to believe?
1). In the old testament, the blood of bulls and other animals were shed by the high priest and sprinkled by him on the Ark of Covenant (Mercy Seat) for the forgiveness of sins for the Israelites. Only blood (pure and clean) must be shed for sins to be forgiven. But the high priest had to do this once a year and this sacrifice cannot completely wash away all sins including future sins (the book of Leviticus). And so, a provision was made for a new covenant where our perfect High Priest, Jesus, came once and for all to wipe away ALL our sins - past, present and future. We need to believe that all our sins have been forgiven (Hebrews 10:1-18, 1John2:1). You think this will make u wanna sin more? Meditate on Romans Chapter 6.

2). In the old covenant, when the Israelites sinned or did not fear the Lord their God, instead of the blessings they were meant to receive in Deuteronomy 28, they received the curses in that same chapter, until they cried to God and begged for forgiveness. In the new covenant, it is written in Galatians 3:13 that Christ already redeemed us from the curse of the law. Every curses in the old testament, Christ Jesus already became those curses for us so that ONLY through Him we can be curse-free. We're to believe that Jesus already took every curses in the Bible and through Him, we have the blessings in the Bible, not because of what we've done or who we were or are, but because of His grace and love for us.

Believing that Jesus is the son of his God & Father in the heavenly realm & the earthly realm is a vital requirement for salvation.
John 3:16-17. 20:17,30-31. Matthew 10:32 & Revelation 3:5,12.

John 3:36, 7:16 Jesus Christ says dissention ( such as Trinity) attracts consequences.

Janosky:


Believing that Jesus is the son of his God & Father in the heavenly realm & the earthly realm is a vital requirement for salvation.
John 3:16-17. 20:17,30-31. Matthew 10:32 & Revelation 3:5,12.

John 3:36, 7:16 Jesus Christ says dissention ( such as Trinity) attracts consequences.

Back up the bold pls.

author=LisaAnneMia

The gospel is beautiful

For me the good friday and Easter is a remainder of the wonderful things Christ has done for me.

The most wonderful gift I have ever had is the gift of eternal life, price was beyond me but a loving father gave it to me through his son my Lord Jesus Christ free of charge.

livingchrist:

The gospel is beautiful

Really is

livingchrist:
For me the good friday and Easter is a remainder of the wonderful things Christ has done for me.

The most wonderful gift I have ever had is the gift of eternal life, price was beyond me but a loving father gave it to me through his son my Lord Jesus Christ free of charge.

Right!!! And I just keep reminding myself even if things don't go right that my Lord Jesus didn't die in vain. If He says He's done it, then He has. Such rest we have in Him.

tobechi74:
Anyone who has never changed his core beliefs or religion is yet to die to his old self. Dying to old self is prerequisite to a new birth. A seed has to be buried to the ground before it can germinate. Many atheist and agnostic are dead to their old self. They are one step ahead than most of us who are yet to question our belief. The second step is observation. Not one created by someone else but one based on his own seeking and experience. A born again person does not take things because it is repeated by many or asserted by majority or written in a holy book. He listens to all side and filters them based on his reason and experience.


Born again persons are original in thoughts and deed. He is saperated from the mass . To be born again comes with a price of violating recognises order. This lead to grave consequences including death .

While I agree about the need to die to self ,denying oneself in order to become worthy of Jesus Christ in the first place, I am completely against what you said there about listening to all sides. What you describe sounds more like what one who is born of the world would do, and not what anyone who is born of the Spirit of God would.
Those who are born of the Spirit of God only have God as Teacher/Master/Shepherd/Guide/Helper....no other opinion or view matters where it concerns God and the Kingdom of God.

Kobojunkie:

While I agree about the need to die to self ,denying oneself in order to become worthy of Jesus Christ in the first place, I am completely against what you said there about listening to all sides. What you describe sounds more like what one who is born of the world would do, and not what anyone who is born of the Spirit of God would.
Those who are born of the Spirit of God only have God as Teacher/Master/Shepherd/Guide/Helper....no other opinion or view matters where it concerns God and the Kingdom of God.

A common ground finally

LisaAnneMia:
A common ground finally

But you do not obey the commandments/teachings of the one who you suppose is your Teacher/Master/Shepherd/Guide/ Helper, so how can you say we have common ground?

Where He commands obedience, you instead cling to excuses for why you will not submit to Him. If there is no common ground between you and Jesus Christ, why assume there is one here with what I declared?

Kobojunkie:
But you do not obey the commandments/teachings of the one who you suppose is your Teacher/Master/Shepherd/Guide/ Helper, so how can you say we have common ground?

Where He commands obedience, you instead cling to excuses for why you will not submit to Him. If there is no common ground between you and Jesus Christ, why assume there is one here with what I declared?

So, when Jesus who knew no sin became sin for me that I may be righteous only in Him, and me depending on Him and relying on Him to write His laws in my heart and be my direction, means I'm not submissive to Him?

LisaAnneMia:
So, when Jesus who knew no sin became sin for me that I may be righteous only in Him, and me depending on Him and relying on Him to write His laws in my heart and be my direction, means I'm not submissive to Him?

I am not sure where your doctrine comes from but it certainly does not come from the teachings of Jesus Christ, the very one who you claim is your ONLY Teacher/Master/Shepherd/Guide/Helper.

Let me ask instead how long have you been a Christian?
Has God arrived to write His laws in your heart then?

Has He written His Law in your heart and are you currently living according to His Law which He has written in your heart?

If you answer yes to the previous question, then are the laws God has written in your heart any different from that which Jesus Christ taught to His followers in anyway?

Kobojunkie:
I am not sure where your doctrine comes from but it certainly does not come from the teachings of Jesus Christ, the very one who you claim is your ONLY Teacher/Master/Shepherd/Guide/Helper.

Let me ask instead how long have you been a Christian?
Has God arrived to write His laws in your heart then?

Has He written His Law in your heart and are you currently living according to His Law which He has written in your heart?

If you answer yes to the previous question, then are the laws God has written in your heart any different from that which Jesus Christ taught to His followers in anyway?

Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 10:16 has your answers. Exactly the mentality of those who are under the law is what you're showing. When the law was given through Moses, the relationship with God and men was distant. If you do good, then get good. If you do bad, then get bad. None of them under the law had an intimate"daddy-son" or "daddy-daughter" relationship with God. In the new covenant, through the Spirit of God in every believer, we cry out "Abba Father". Do you know the meaning of Abba? In Israel, children call out "Abba" which means Daddy. That's the intimate relationship Jesus has brought for us.

Jesus even gave the example with the prodigal son. The son didn't deserve what the father did for him after squandering all his money. Will the father's kindness make him wanna repeat what he did previously? Of course not!

And yes, my Daddy-God is and will continue to write His laws in my heart. Through His Spirit in me, He'll teach me all things. Or isn't that what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit? You think the Holy Spirit will only teach you spiritual things? Wouldn't He have said "the Holy Spirit will teach you spiritual things" if that's the case? The Holy Spirit is and will teach me about Jesus.

And are the laws any different from what Jesus said? They're even more! The Holy Spirit will teach you how to love God with all your heart, mind and body, only when He unveils the love of God to you. Cos we love because He first loved us. If as a believer you can't boast of the Father's Love for you or your intimate relationship with Jesus, but you keep following the laws on your own knowledge like they did in the old covenant, then you're missing a lot! Shalom!

CodeTemplar:


Back up the bold pls.

Bros, John 3:36 & John 17:3 summarize the koko of salvation/eternal life in brief.
** John 3:36
"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them."


John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true [supreme and sovereign] God, and [in the same manner know] Jesus Christ whom You have sent"


John 3:36, Your Bible says belief in the Son= eternal life.
Whoever rejects the Son/belief in the Son = the wrath of God & loss of eternal life.

The Trinity is contrary to John 3:36 & John 17:3, John 7:16 and dissents from these Scriptures.

LisaAnneMia:
Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 10:16 has your answers. Exactly the mentality of those who are under the law is what you're showing.

Yes, I am under the Law that is Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, and so yes, I will speak of Jesus Christ and His teachings since He is the Truth of God and the Kingdom of God.

LisaAnneMia:
When the law was given through Moses, the relationship with God and men was distant. If you do good, then get good. If you do bad, then get bad. None of them under the law had an intimate"daddy-son" or "daddy-daughter" relationship with God. In the new covenant, through the Spirit of God in every believer, we cry out "Abba Father". Do you know the meaning of Abba? In Israel, children call out "Abba" which means Daddy. That's the intimate relationship Jesus has brought for us.

I am afraid your assertions about those under the Old Covenant are erroneous and this from your understanding of the Old Covenant.

God's Old Covenant was designed and implemented by God Himself as a relationship between a King/God and His people, not that between a Father and His sons.... so it is God that set up what is the Old Covenant as He, God wanted it to be. And it remains so to this day. That the New Covenant is a different kind of relationship is again according to God's own design. So whether He is called God by the those of His Old Covenant, of "Abba" by those of His New Covenant, depends on God Himself, and has nothing to do with the people or their sins. I hope you can see that.

LisaAnneMia:
Jesus even gave the example with the prodigal son. The son didn't deserve what the father did for him after squandering all his money. Will the father's kindness make him wanna repeat what he did previously? Of course not!

Jesus Christ never brought up an issue as to whether the son was deserving of the treatment He received from the Father when He returned or not. And Jesus Christ addressed such notions when in the same parable, the son approached the father, questioning His fair treatment of the son who squandered his inheritance.

LisaAnneMia:
And yes, my Daddy-God is and will continue to write His laws in my heart. Through His Spirit in me, He'll teach me all things. Or isn't that what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit? You think the Holy Spirit will only teach you spiritual things? Wouldn't He have said "the Holy Spirit will teach you spiritual things" if that's the case? The Holy Spirit is and will teach me about Jesus.
And are the laws any different from what Jesus said? They're even more!

Ok, so you claim God has written His laws on your heart, mind telling us some of these laws have been written so far?
You also claim that the laws are different from the teachings of Jesus Christ, how so?

LisaAnneMia:
The Holy Spirit will teach you how to love God with all your heart, mind and body, only when He unveils the love of God to you. Cos we love because He first loved us. If as a believer you can't boast of the Father's Love for you or your intimate relationship with Jesus, but you keep following the laws on your own knowledge like they did in the old covenant, then you're missing a lot! Shalom!

So, you are saying that you do not first need to love God with all of your heart, mind, body, and soul - you have to wait to do that only after the Spirit unveils the love of God to you?

Has the Holy Spirit unveiled this love to you? And do you now love God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul?

Kobojunkie:
Yes, I am under the Law that is Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, and so yes, I will speak of Jesus Christ and His teachings since He is the Truth of God and the Kingdom of God.
I am afraid your assertions about those under the Old Covenant are erroneous and this from your understanding of the Old Covenant.

God's Old Covenant was designed and implemented by God Himself as a relationship between a King/God and His people, not that between a Father and His sons.... so it is God that set up what is the Old Covenant as He, God wanted it to be. And it remains so to this day. That the New Covenant is a different kind of relationship is again according to God's own design. So whether He is called God by the those of His Old Covenant, of "Abba" by those of His New Covenant, depends on God Himself, and has nothing to do with the people or their sins. I hope you can see that.
Jesus Christ never brought up an issue as to whether the son was deserving of the treatment He received from the Father when He returned or not. And Jesus Christ addressed such notions when in the same parable, the son approached the father, questioning His fair treatment of the son who squandered his inheritance.
Ok, so you claim God has written His laws on your heart, mind telling us some of these laws have been written so far?
You also claim that the laws are different from the teachings of Jesus Christ, how so?
So, you are saying that you do not first need to love God with all of your heart, mind, body, and soul - you have to wait to do that only after the Spirit unveils the love of God to you?

Has the Holy Spirit unveiled this love to you? And do you now love God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul?

Shalom!

LisaAnneMia:
Shalom!

But you said God was writing His laws on your heart, and with the same heart you intend at some point to love God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul. I am under Law and my Teacher/Master/Shepherd/Guide/Helper is the Law - Jesus Christ. So, you claimed we to have found common grounds earlier... are you taking back that claim you made earlier?

And anyways, are you refusing to respond to the questions I asked in my previous post to you?

Kobojunkie:
But you said God was writing His laws on your heart, and with the same heart you intend at some point to love God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul. I am under Law and my Teacher/Master/Shepherd/Guide/Helper is the Law - Jesus Christ. So, you claimed we to have found common grounds earlier... are you taking back that claim you made earlier?

And anyways, are you refusing to respond to the questions I asked in my previous post to you?

I said we had a common ground based on only what I highlighted in that post. If you're under the law(not directed by the Holy Spirit), you can't understand grace. It doesn't take the Holy Spirit to explain law. Motivational speakers who aren't born again can understand and explain law. But it takes the Holy Spirit to understand grace.

You believe Jesus as your Lord and Savior and that's awesome. But you can't understand grace with law mentality. Cos even the Bible says if you try to justify yourself under law, you've fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4.

LisaAnneMia:
I said we had a common ground based on only what I highlighted in that post. If you're under the law(not directed by the Holy Spirit), you can't understand grace.

God declared that He will install His Spirit inside of those who belong to Him in His New Covenant....

Ezekiel 36 vs 24-30 (ESV)
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24. “I will take you out of those nations, gather you together, and bring you back to your own land.
25. Then I will sprinkle pure water on you and make you pure. I will wash away all your filth, the filth from those nasty idols, and I will make you pure.
26. I will also put a new spirit in you to change your way of thinking. I will take out the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender, human heart.
27. I will put my Spirit inside you[c] and change you so that you will obey my laws. You will carefully obey my commands.
28. Then you will live in the land that I gave to your ancestors. You will be my people, and I will be your God.
29. Also, I will save you and keep you from becoming unclean. I will command the grain to grow. I will not bring a famine against you.
30. I will give you large crops of fruit from your trees and the harvest from your fields so that you will never again feel the shame of being hungry in a foreign country.
31. You will remember the bad things you did. You will remember that those things were not good. Then you will hate yourselves because of your sins and the terrible things you did.”

... and note there that the Spirit will change you so you will obey His laws. But here you suggest instead that those who are under the law are not directed by the Spirit of God, how come?

And recall that I have asked you several questions up until this point so as to gain a better understanding of that which you claim is grace, but you have yet to respond.

LisaAnneMia:
It doesn't take the Holy Spirit to explain law. Motivational speakers who aren't born again can understand and explain the law. But it takes the Holy Spirit to understand grace.

I am asking you to explain what it is that the Holy Spirit has taught you so far. You claimed According to scripture, He is not only to write God's Law on your heart but also bring you to the obedience of those Laws.

But so far you have claimed that the Spirit is to write God's Law on your heart and I asked you what laws have been written so far?
And according to God
I asked if this Law is any different from the Law that is Jesus Christ, the New Covenant? You said yes, and I asked you how come, hoping again for examples - you have yet to answer.

LisaAnneMia:
You believe Jesus as your Lord and Savior and that's awesome. But you can't understand grace with law mentality. Cos even the Bible says if you try to justify yourself under law, you've fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4.

Again, I am asking you to at least make an attempt at explaining your kind of grace by giving examples of what you claim to have.

Kobojunkie:
God declared that He will install His Spirit inside of those who belong to Him in His New Covenant....
... and note there that the Spirit will change you so you will obey His laws. But here you suggest instead that those who are under the law are not directed by the Spirit of God, how come?

And recall that I have asked you several questions up until this point so as to gain a better understanding of that which you claim is grace, but you have yet to respond.
I am asking you to explain what it is that the Holy Spirit has taught you so far. You claimed According to scripture, He is not only to write God's Law on your heart but also bring you to the obedience of those Laws.

But so far you have claimed that the Spirit is to write God's Law on your heart and I asked you what laws have been written so far?
And according to God
I asked if this Law is any different from the Law that is Jesus Christ, the New Covenant? You said yes, and I asked you how come, hoping again for examples - you have yet to answer.
Again, I am asking you to at least make an attempt at explaining your kind of grace by giving examples of what you claim to have.

Shalom!

LisaAnneMia:
Shalom!

Why do you continue to evade question?

LisaAnneMia:
Hi dear, you quoted "don't you know your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit..." Even when the people in the church of Corinthians sinned, Paul didn't say "your body was the temple of the Holy Spirit". He said "your body IS the temple of the Holy Spirit"... Doesn't it mean that the Holy Spirit is still in them when they sinned? And He still told them that they are of God and not of their own and not they were of God. Do you see what I mean?

Can I show you one or two stuffs

Sin and drawing back are two different stories......

Like SATAN is a sinner, as we were before redemption.

Drawing back to perdition is going to be destroyed with the children of wrath.


Now answering your questions, the scriptures said he that's joined to the LORD CHRIST is one SPIRIT.

You could be joined to the LORD and still perish in ignorance, why because of the rejection of revealed reality.

He - Apostle Paul reminded them, " don't you know that your body is the temple of God Almighty who lives in you, which body you are, for you are no longer yourself, your real life is hid in CHRIST - the LORD is the SPIRIT, when CHRIST who is our life shall appear then shall we appear with him in glory. Hallelujah



Most people preach that the Lord Holy Ghost leave the moment you sin.....
But always remember what I am sharing with you right now..

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

He is joined to the LORD CHRIST JESUS - the righteous - it's impossible to commit sin Because he is being kept by the Holy Ghost not to sin, he is led by the Holy Ghost, in Psalm 23....


Psalms 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Yea, though I walk, it's actually you that's leading your through the valley of the shadow of death. Whenever you you lead yourself, you end up in, sin valley hell

There's this prayer in Psalm 51:11

Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.


From the beginning of time, the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY have struggled with the flesh, or the body of man, I am talking about his SPIRIT working to see that men walk and work righteousness, their deeds are evil and they hated the true light that shines on everyone who come into this world.


Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.




There's another instance of where the LORD CHRIST JESUS said," I will spue you out of my mouth"

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


When you sin as Baby Christian two things happen
1 you are resisted - PRIDE OVERWHELMING YOU. THE LORD CHRIST IS KIND AND HUMBLE, ANOTHER WICKED spirit is proud and rude takes over your heart.

2 you could be spue - cast out of his PRESENCE, HIS SPIRIT, fall from blessing and favour of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY in CHRIST JESUS by the HOLY GHOST. AMEN

Mercisharelove:



Can I show you one or two stuffs

Sin and drawing back are two different stories......

Like SATAN is a sinner, as we were before redemption.

Drawing back to perdition is going to be destroyed with the children of wrath.


Now answering your questions, the scriptures said he that's joined to the LORD CHRIST is one SPIRIT.

You could be joined to the LORD and still perish in ignorance, why because of the rejection of revealed reality.

He - Apostle Paul reminded them, " don't you know that your body is the temple of God Almighty who lives in you, which body you are, for you are no longer yourself, your real life is hid in CHRIST - the LORD is the SPIRIT, when CHRIST who is our life shall appear then shall we appear with him in glory. Hallelujah



Most people preach that the Lord Holy Ghost leave the moment you sin.....
But always remember what I am sharing with you right now..

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

He is joined to the LORD CHRIST JESUS - the righteous - it's impossible to commit sin Because he is being kept by the Holy Ghost not to sin, he is led by the Holy Ghost, in Psalm 23....


Psalms 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

Yea, though I walk, it's actually you that's leading your through the valley of the shadow of death. Whenever you you lead yourself, you end up in, sin valley hell

There's this prayer in Psalm 51:11

Psalms 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.


From the beginning of time, the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY have struggled with the flesh, or the body of man, I am talking about his SPIRIT working to see that men walk and work righteousness, their deeds are evil and they hated the true light that shines on everyone who come into this world.


Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.




There's another instance of where the LORD CHRIST JESUS said," I will spue you out of my mouth"

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


When you sin as Baby Christian two things happen
1 you are resisted - PRIDE OVERWHELMING YOU. THE LORD CHRIST IS KIND AND HUMBLE, ANOTHER WICKED spirit is proud and rude takes over your heart.

2 you could be spue - cast out of his PRESENCE, HIS SPIRIT, fall from blessing and favour of the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY in CHRIST JESUS by the HOLY GHOST. AMEN

Hello...Okay I'm a bit confused with some verses you quoted in relation to the topic but psalm 23 caught my eye. Yeah, we may lead ourselves into that valley but the next verse says "but thou hath with me". God is still with us.

And Psalm 51 was when David committed adultery. David, unlike us did not have the perfect Lamb of God that takes away all sins. According to the law, when you sin, God will distance Himself from you and the curses of the law befalls that person. We're under the new covenant with the blood of Jesus. Even when the people of Corinth sinned by commiting adultery and all that. Paul was supposed to tell them "because you have done this great sin before God, the Holy Spirit cannot dwell in you, cleanse yourself first and receive Him all over again". Nope. He simply reminded them of who and whose they were. That their body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. It's still the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Genesis 6:3 says the Spirit of God won't put up with men for a very long time right? We in the new covenant, does that mean that there's a period of time God's Spirit will dwell in us and then depart forever since we have a mortal body? Well I think so. I believe when rapture takes place, the Spirit of God won't dwell on earth with those left behind (I dunno a Bible verse that supports this but I believe so). Not that the Spirit of God goes off and on. I mean, He said He'll never leave us nor forsake us, and my Dad doesn't lie.

Lastly, Revelation 6:3, if being righteous is hot and being a sinner is cold, what then is lukewarm? Cos He won't even spue those who are cold (in your case you mean sinners) out of His mouth but will spue lukewarm out. What then is lukewarm?

LisaAnneMia:
Hello...Okay I'm a bit confused with some verses you quoted in relation to the topic but psalm 23 caught my eye. Yeah, we may lead ourselves into that valley but the next verse says "but thou hath with me". God is still with us.

And Psalm 51 was when David committed adultery. David, unlike us did not have the perfect Lamb of God that takes away all sins. According to the law, when you sin, God will distance Himself from you and the curses of the law befalls that person. We're under the new covenant with the blood of Jesus. Even when the people of Corinth sinned by commiting adultery and all that. Paul was supposed to tell them "because you have done this great sin before God, the Holy Spirit cannot dwell in you, cleanse yourself first and receive Him all over again". Nope. He simply reminded them of who and whose they were. That their body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. It's still the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Genesis 6:3 says the Spirit of God won't put up with men for a very long time right? We in the new covenant, does that mean that there's a period of time God's Spirit will dwell in us and then depart forever since we have a mortal body? Well I think so. I believe when rapture takes place, the Spirit of God won't dwell on earth with those left behind (I dunno a Bible verse that supports this but I believe so). Not that the Spirit of God goes off and on. I mean, He said He'll never leave us nor forsake us, and my Dad doesn't lie.

Lastly, Revelation 6:3, if being righteous is hot and being a sinner is cold, what then is lukewarm? Cos He won't even spue those who are cold (in your case you mean sinners) out of His mouth but will spue lukewarm out. What then is lukewarm?

1.
Paul reminded to discipline unrepentant ones in their midst , 1 Corinthians 5:1-3,11-13.
2 Corinthians 6:14, comot their hand for bad things.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11, practice righteousness acceptable to God.

2.
Genesis 6:3 God expression of displeasure at the sinfulness of man, from verses 1 to 7, we see that God was not happy with the violence and sin prevalent in Noah's day.

3.
Revelation 6:3 = 1 Corinthians 15:12-14. 10:12. lukewarmness is one step away from backsliding into unrighteousness.
Joshua 24:15 & Hebrews 10:36-39 is timely

Funny enough John 3:16 disproves the Trinity and hellfire doctrine at the same time.

LisaAnneMia:
What does it mean to believe? To my understanding, it means to hold on to what you have heard/seen/read without an iota of doubt no matter what the physical/fact shows.

There is no Way you can hold on to What you have seen/heard if the fact before you does not corroborate what you have seen/heard e.g I say I would take you to Dubai for Shopping, you cannot believe me if you do not know me and if you meet me and the facts before you Clearly and Irresistible Show that I am not Capable of Fulfilling such a Promise, it is only Reasonable that you do not Trust nor Live on my Promise!

For to Trust and Live on a Thing is because you Know and have Tested it to be True hence you begin to live/Trust/Rely on it (Believe)

Thus God Calls Us to Get Knowledge (Know), Get Understanding for that is the Only Way to Live on and Be-Living (Believing) on Him!

The Way of God is the Way of Knowledge, for that is the Ground Anyone Can Rightly Stand On and Can Never Be Shaken!

All other grounds are Sinking Sand!