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John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 9:58pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. the serious problem I observed God loves the world so much that he sends his son? Why didn't he send himself? The only logical explanation and conclusion one can reach is that God doesn’t really love us all that much, because he couldn’t send himself but he sends his son. Second what type of Father sends his son into harms way? A father doesn't put his son in harm's way, but he takes the harm and pain off his son so his son doesn't have to suffer. and lastly, what is the Bible trying to say when it says God has begotten a son? If the term Son of God is not meant to be taken literally then why is a literal word of offspring through sexual intercourse being used? There are 2 solutions to this, either the God mentioned in the Gospel of John had physical relations with a lady to have Jesus, which is why he is called begotten, or someone made this teaching up, which throws the entire theology of John into doubt, since we can’t trust somebody who’s blatantly preaching a false doctrine concerning God. another important question. why do God needs to have only one begotten son . can't he create a million of Jesus Christ? pls do not quote biblical reference to support your claim and try as much to avoid insult. logical explanation is all I need. this is not meant to ridicule Christianity, just want some scholarly reply 2 Likes |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by Josephjnr(m): 10:00pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
God loves the world so much that he sends his son? Why didn't he send himself? [b][/b] Laugh wan kill me. 2 Likes |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by Hier(m): 10:11pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
Josephjnr: Don't mind him, so Heaven should become earth |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by Hier(m): 10:22pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
You post sounds like, if Buhari is the president of Nigeria, why is he not in charge of controlling traffic in Ojuelegba, are you based in Ojuelegba If God comes to the earth, He won't be able to stand the sight of the sin of men, God can't imagine or stand the sins of a sinner, and moreover, God has prophecies it long ago. Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Very sad, you lowered yourself to become a tool for the devil, tell me why God won't send you to hell, but you can repent and God will forgive your ignorance. 4 Likes |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 10:35pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
Hier:I made an earlier request . do not quote Bible reference. why i said so, every verse in the Bible says the book is a complete hoax not me. you mention another point for a good debate next time. try as much to avoid it next time. this is the verse. for God so love the world. emphasized on the statement so loved. this is General buhari vital role As Head of State the President is obliged to take part in public ceremonies. This role includes duties such as the opening of new sessions of Assembly in holding honour investitures, receiving the Credentials of ambassadors, High Commissioners, welcoming visiting Heads of State hosting and participating in other civil ceremonies. general buhari isn't yellow fever. read my topic on the devil and hell concept 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by kingjomezy(m): 10:36pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
I laugh in Bulgarian....... Jesus is God on earth
....read ur Bible welllo 2 Likes |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by greatnaija01: 10:41pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
PLS STOP ATTACKING WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW. I have questions for you. HOW DID GOD COME ABOUT? WHERE DID GOD COME FROM? WHEN THE GOD COME FROM? WHO NAMED THIS WORLD, EARTH? cos all ya ranting is yielding no result, in this life you will not live up to 120years and your school of thought will not even be celebrated or remembered in the world after you have Gone. If you really want to cause a CHANGE... simply do all God has been claimed to do then you would have right to be heard. BUT if this thread is your personal opinion pls keep it to yourself and stop stating rules from your head which cant be quoted according to logical philosophical reasoning. BE WISE and put your mind to work on better research to out do God! vaxx: 2 Likes |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 10:43pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
greatnaija01:I am not an atheist. pls if you do not have anything to contribute , you can kindly leave the thread. 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by Hier(m): 10:44pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
vaxx: You quoted a Bible in the first place Your scientist fellows apply logic in getting things done, I don't use logic as a Christian. All I do is faith, You can't be the judge in your own court. If you want me to accept your logic, do me a favour, accept my faith 2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight 2 Likes |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by Hier(m): 10:54pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
Jesus was a gift to man kind If you father loves your mum, he shows her the love by giving her a gift not turning himself to a slave in the house 4 Likes |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 10:59pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
Hier:OK ....pls stop doing these you have posted another observed hoax...... if logic is not useful as you point it . Solomon will not seek for wisdom over wealth.... 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 11:04pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
Hier:he do not only give her gift, he also become a supporting partner. in fact he is her strenght when she is weak |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by Hier(m): 11:08pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
vaxx: Jesus was wiser than Solomon Luke 11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. I don't think wisdom and logic are the same, Paul called the wisdom of God, foolishness 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. bye 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by chemystery: 11:12pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
vaxx:This has always been my point. |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 11:15pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
Hier:thanks for derailing the post . I will be ready to take you serious when you stop using your bible verses and be ready to use the most important organ God has bless you with. your thinking faculty. pls do not quote bible references . it is written plainly . |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 11:34pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
Hier:you can't be bless with one without another. they both coexist. if you are wise , you will be smart. |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by EniHolar(f): 11:50pm On Sep 17, 2017 |
vaxx: If you don't need Bible reference, why did you ask a question from the Bible? You should have asked a logical question if you needed a logical answer, and not a biblical question. Human reasoning is insufficient to comprehend divine things. 2 Likes |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 7:00am On Sep 18, 2017 |
EniHolar:I do not require bible reference to debunk and refute the illogical statement of john 3 vs 16....... I also save commentators from another hoax verses they will be quoting from the Bible. for every statement in the bible there is a serious problem. human reason is well sufficient to comprehend what is written by human. The bible is humanly made , therefore it is not magic. even my thread is divine. i will only take you serious if you can prove it to me that my thread is not divine 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by chemystery: 7:52am On Sep 18, 2017 |
EniHolar:Divine things shouldn't be thus written in human language but divine language 3 Likes |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 4:01pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
cutemadridrista, you can pose the question here, i say my thread is divinely inspired, can you prove that it is not. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by CuteMadridista: 8:33pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
vaxx: My point was that your explanation of what makes something divinely inspired set the bar for it so low that it becomes meaningless. Heck, you even said Shakespeare books were divinely inspired so the onus is not on me to prove your thread is not divinely inspired but on you to prove any of the threads in romance section is NOT divinely inspired! 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by Nobody: 8:42pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
Waiting for the MOD |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 9:19pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:lol, the point i am trying to make is nothing written by human come from external source, it is the same human who make it so, and he is also who said it is divine, so shakespare can as well claim he is divinely inspired, so no one can debunked it. he is free to go and that is the position of the bible. |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by CuteMadridista: 9:33pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
vaxx: So, you're saying its Not Even Wrong? |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 9:40pm On Mar 17, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:yes cannot be scientifically verified . how do you verified divinity through scientific glass ? |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by CuteMadridista: 4:52am On Mar 18, 2018 |
vaxx: actually you started that post with "All books are divinely inspired" 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by orisa37: 6:11am On Mar 18, 2018 |
So you are jealous of God doing things His Own Way? 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 9:27am On Mar 18, 2018 |
CuteMadridista:is a metaphorical statement, do not take it literately, anybody can claim is book is divinely inspired. that is just the cuss of the matter.it is just a position man found for himself to make whatever he does unique and perfect and does not in anyway mean the person is right or wrong |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by MuttleyLaff: 2:28pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
vaxx:The serious problem I observed, shown in this post, is, the certain quasi-knowledgeability that knows nothing Furthermore, it is insulting to someone's intelligence, asking that contributors not quote biblical reference to support submitted posts vaxx:Though Jesus was God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to. Instead, He gave up his divine privileges; He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being. And so God appeared on earth, in human form, as Jesus Christ, His Son God can send Himself, did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him, when saying: "My Lord, My God" vaxx:Christ is the visible image of the invisible God What other logical way, effective, reasonable, legal and conventional means, did you expect God to send Himself to earth? vaxx:God was not and never was in harm's way, He couldnt handle Its often said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic DIY God looked for someone who could build walls or stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself by sending Himself vaxx:I am sure you're joking that: "harm and pain was taken off Jesus so Jesus doesn't have to suffer" vaxx:This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene" "monogene", means, one and only or one of a kind "monogene", is a combination of the root words: "mono" (one or only) and "genos" (of a class or kind) hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" means "the only of its kind" It occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac, where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an older son, Ishmael Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own) vaxx:Again, "begotten" in that context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse vaxx:Facepalm. SMH. Tsk tsk tsk. vaxx:Very good question The need, is for one "silver bullet" and not million(s) of "silver bullet" When Jesus, before bowing His head and giving up His spirit said: "It is finished" The "It is finished" means "now accomplished" It signifies a sense of finality, the effect of which continues into the present The task and/or mission is accomplished, hence, there is no need for a million of Jesus Christ Jesus, is the last Adam, and second man The first man Adam became a living soul Whereas, Jesus, the last Adam, became a life-giving spirit The first man, is of the earth, earthy; the second man, is from heaven. vaxx:Your emasculating wish is granted vaxx:Right. Now there you have it. "scholarly reply" without quoting biblical reference to support as you wished PastorAIO, its turn by turn, I read where you and Ubenedictus used emmany and mutty in codes to mention Emmanystone and I, and I laughed at how I got misconstrued but I will respond when you both, get to the front of the queue 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by Emmanystone: 3:20pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff:I wonder why dem dey quote me codedly. Dem dey fear me ni? |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by vaxx: 4:07pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=65942432] The serious problem I observed, shown in this post, is, the certain quasi-knowledgeability that knows nothinglets, see how you will apply your pseudo intellectual you hold in high esteem on the below rebuttal, me, asking commentators not to go ahead to quote biblical verse further is to safe them fro quoting another hoax verses from the bible, we are presently dealing with one, if the need to address another verse then we can go ahead. we cannot be using one hoax to rob another hoax that will cause more intelligence point made earlier useless, so to afford the normal back and fourth argument, it is better we stay out of the dark debate. Though Jesus was GodAssumption 1 which contradict the topic of discussion, there was clear separation. THAT HE GAVE HIS BEGOTTEN SON do not sound as if it is the same person talking to himself, in fact whoever wrote the entire that verse Whoever wrote John was not a trinitarian, It is a suggestion on the writer’s part that God does not choose to know the future. because if indeed, he will have know how the game will play, Jesus was restored to cover that gap. If God knew how that would come out, it would make the act of allowing it to happen into a cheap parlor trick, a sham. No, only if God did not know how things would turn out could one say God gave anything. so in the essence god did not give anything earlier according to the writer suggestion. He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to.Assumption 2, all these your pseudo opinion does not correlate with the message the verse intend to pass,we are dealing with the topic, the verse clearly indicate Jesus was sent BY GOD to the world to save souls from perishing, whatever you are imputing now does not in any way correlate with the verse. as i said earlier i will prefer we focus on the topic. lets address the verse . instead of shifting around. i know you are finding it difficult to do. And so God appeared on earth, in human form, as Jesus Christ, His Son can send Himself, did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus ChristASSUMPTION 3 ,you do not do better, still repeating the same earlier warning i gave... anyway if that will make you better. THIS IS IS not the message john 3 vs 16 intend to pass. as it clearly stated. Christ is the visible image of the invisible Godchrist is the begotten son of GOD that is what john 3 vs 16 stated. must GOD descend to earth before he pass his message, this your opinion here suggest god is not omnipresent. what do you think? God was not and never was in harm's way, He couldnt handlethis is your opinion, an innocent blood is demanded for the ransoms of sins of human since animal blood is not enough. john 3 vs 16 clearly indicate that the only way to escape ''perish'' is to believe in GOD SON(JESUS CHRIST) God looked for someone who could build wallsTHIS IS NOT THE MESSAGE OF JOHN 3 VS 16. IT IS AGAIN YOUR ASSUMPTION I am sure you're joking that:u"harm and pain was taken off Jesus so Jesus doesn't have to suffer"Do you get your pseudo logic here, harm and pain was taken off GOD SO THAT GOD WILL NOT HAVE TO SUFFER. This will explain what the bible said and/or is sayingSo we are dealing with morphology now, and not the grammatical sentence, good . i will like you suggest the Greek word that best describe the world better, at least it could make us understand the context clearly. but as it stands, an English speaker like me find it as it is begotten and the word begotten in English grammar means possession and it largely attribute to animal characteristics "monogene", is a combination of the root words:i am still awaiting the better usage of English grammar that will better position that word in he context of the verse. It occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac,good point raised there.... but if am to go by your your pseudo analysis here, you will realized you just shot yourself in the foot, are you not the one claiming jesus was god and how come it is unique and one of its kind the time or you mean GOD SEND HIS UNIQUE SON using the isaac and abraham analogy Again, "begotten" in that context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercoursedo not be in an hurry, i think you shot yourself on the foot with this abraham analogy. you could have stick with the morphology Very good questionif i am to go by your logic here, i will conclude that the supposed ruler of the universe, who could not think any better way to forgive his creations, than send himself in human form to act as a human sacrifice is incompetent. Just so those creations can get into heaven to worship this insecure deity for eternity. I find this God to be lacking in anything godlike. Jesus, is the last Adam, and second manthis is gibberish . i do not hold sense out of it Your emasculating wish is grantedyou do no do any better except from that of the morphology .. Right.LOL the philosophical point of that verse stand out to be poor, do you know what i deduce from it . it is if you believe in God, then everlasting life is real but If you don’t, even more terrible things await you. Not much of a choice. this is clearly weak of theology. sorry what you present so far are pseudo intellectual concept , i expect you do better than this in your next reply. and please try and add space to your write up, i found it a bit cracky . 1 Like |
Re: John 3 Vs 16 Says Bible Is A Complete Hoax by danvon(m): 4:09pm On Mar 18, 2018 |
Op your logic is strange isn't your son a part of you? 1 Like |
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