benalvino2:


You forgot where I said the electors can chose to ignore their votes if they want? stop taking my words out of context. Lol

You may say it as much as you want, fact remains that the electors can not chose to ignore their votes if they want. Feel free to provide evidence for your claim though if you got any.

benalvino2:

Good read but NBC did not tell you that this happen the same time as well

You obviously failed to read what was posted.

Amujale:


Precisely, that's the point I was alluding when extremist attempt to misconstrue what was said.

It goes to show that as usual you appear to be up to date with what's going on in our world of today.

Its important to note that I never said that the allegations are facts as some American politics extremist tried to make out, but that it's a fact that the allegations are being made by one of the major parties.

Well, you can't expect reasonable people to continue considering their allegations after they have failed to provide credible evidence to a judge who is qualified to consider it.

Amujale:
The American electoral systems are flawed in this election gone, they should have stuck to their old largely paper based systems.

There's an outbreak of election fraud accusations being flung all over the United States by team Trump.

Whatever the final conclusion, they need to scrap their current electoral systems.

sanpipita:


Fraud accusations means fraud happened? why would anyone even take what Trump and his lawyers say seriously? why is it that only places he lost he is questioning isnt it same system that worked in places he won.

Do you even realize they haven't pleaded for fraud in any case they have filed so far, their imagination of fraud only exists in social media

ashawoKGB:
How do you count 150million plus ballot papers while also ensuring it is fraud free.

Amujale:


Volunteers?

It's easy, that's how they does it in Africa for milenia.

Timiofak:

Lol and africa is the bench mark of democracy!!!!
Lmao,

Amujale:


Not for democracy, for good governance.

Democracy is a failed experiment

Amujale:


I get what you meant here, however, it's better to put honesty over inaccuracies.

Regardless of it being tedous, it isn't impossible.

Again, it's either they find a flawless electronic system, or as one engineer states, have all the electronic signals on areoplane mode, or stick to the generic way of achieving honest results.

And the generic way of achieving accurate results is by hand counts.

These American politics extremist try to make it out that there are no election malpractices in American elections.


Again, i'm giving a neutral assessment.

I didn't say all allegations of election malpractices in the 2020 American elections are facts.

In fact I didn't say anything about the allegations being fact.

What I am saying however is that it's a fact that there are allegations of election malpractices in the 2020 American elections.

I know it might rub extremist the wrong way.

Those are the facts, right there.

Amujale:


When have I made any assertion that hasn't been back up with evidence.

I take back what I said in my previous response, you haven't changed.

You could at the least read what was said properly before vomiting all over the back seat of your own Cadillac.

You have not provided one single piece of evidence for any of your assertions!

Assuming you want to have a constructive discussion about the US election, then quote away.

You can pass me with your extremist viewpoint.

Cheers

Amujale:
















These American politics extremist try to make it out that there are no election malpractices in American elections.


Again, i'm giving a neutral assessment.

I didn't say all allegations of election malpractices in the 2020 American elections are facts.

In fact I didn't say anything about the allegations being fact.

What I am saying however is that it's a fact that there are allegations of election malpractices in the 2020 American elections.

I know it might rub extremist the wrong way.

Those are the facts, right there.

Seems you lack logical reasoning, no one said that there no errors or something

The point is, this election. Different bodies have said no fraud, trumps own dhs said no fraud. All what is happening here is premeditated

You saying hand counting is better, like we were all born today.

Amujale:

What I am saying however is that it's a fact that there are allegations of election malpractices in the 2020 American elections.

No sane person will claim there was no election malpractices in the 2020 American elections, and a neutral assessor as you claim you are would consider both parties likely did fraud too and would at least consider the evidence before promoting it as fact as you do.

Fact is there is no evidence yet of the sort of fraud that would swing any of the counts being disputed, at least no evidence for fraud has been provided despite numerous opportunities and incentives to do so.

basilico:



Was his attorney given the original copy of the302?
Was the judge who first heard his forced plea guilt recused? Judge Contreras.Was he a friend of the FBI agent Peter Strozk who framed Flynn, edited it and never gave the defence attorney their rightful copy.
Was there evidence of FBI General Counsel asking what they were attempting to snare Flynn with. logan Act (proposed by Joe Biden on Jan 4 2017).

Wait your point right now is they set him to lie to law enforcement

Lmao. Okay

budaatum:

No sane person will claim there was no election malpractices in the 2020 American elections.

That's exactly what those extremist are claiming.

budaatum:

No sane person will claim there was no election malpractices in the 2020 American elections, and a neutral assessor as you claim you are would consider both parties likely did fraud too and would at least consider the evidence before promoting it as fact as you do.

Fact is there is no evidence yet of the sort of fraud that would swing any of the counts being disputed, at least no evidence for fraud has been provided despite numerous opportunities and incentives to do so.

Most of the things this morons calls fraud

Are human mistakes.

From Parler

“DO NOT VOTE IN THE GEORGIA RUNOFFS, THE DEEP STATE WILL BE COLLECTING EVERYONE'S INFO. THIS IS A CHARADE, MEANT TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT,"

Mitch McConnell will not like this at all
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245?fbclid=IwAR1qPaIQEfGov2qVCgiu_GvhZDRfgXeyT_hsQl9HmbidR4jxwLHjESSTupo

budaatum:

...a neutral assessor as you claim you are would consider both parties likely did fraud too and would at least consider the evidence before promoting it as fact as you do.
.

I recently reposted previous contribution s to this thread.

Point to me where I promoted the evidence as fact.

I have considered the evidence from both sides.

Only one half of the political space in America seems to be alleging election malpractices.

PDPGuy:
From Parler

“DO NOT VOTE IN THE GEORGIA RUNOFFS, THE DEEP STATE WILL BE COLLECTING EVERYONE'S INFO. THIS IS A CHARADE, MEANT TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT,"

Mitch McConnell will not like this at all
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245?fbclid=IwAR1qPaIQEfGov2qVCgiu_GvhZDRfgXeyT_hsQl9HmbidR4jxwLHjESSTupo

Reminds me of Igbos who listened to Kanu and boycotted the election without realising they disenfranchised themselves.

Magas, boycott! Please!

Good, we don't want Republicons voting in the Fruited Plains anyway because they are too dumb. I hope they will not come out for the two Senatorial votes in Georgia.

PDPGuy:
From Parler

“DO NOT VOTE IN THE GEORGIA RUNOFFS, THE DEEP STATE WILL BE COLLECTING EVERYONE'S INFO. THIS IS A CHARADE, MEANT TO IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT,"

Mitch McConnell will not like this at all
https://www.newsweek.com/georgia-trump-supporters-destroy-gop-boycott-senate-runoffs-1549245?fbclid=IwAR1qPaIQEfGov2qVCgiu_GvhZDRfgXeyT_hsQl9HmbidR4jxwLHjESSTupo

Amujale:

I have considered the evidence from both sides.

You must be the only one who has "considered the evidence from both sides "because Sidney Powell is still sitting on her kraken, Rudy does not seem to have any sense, and Biden is not even bothering with this nonsense, so where did you get the evidence that you considered?

Amujale:


I recently reposted previous contribution s to this thread.

Point to me where I promoted the evidence as fact.

You have not provided any evidence for anything, all you did was assert as you usually do.

benalvino2:


Maybe you have been under the rock

meddling in this case means influencing by means of propaganda amongst others, not actual theft of votes or falsification of ballots which is what trump is alleging

budaatum:

You have not provided any evidence for anything, all you did was assert as you usually do.

Point to an assertion that was made.

budaatum:

You have not provided any evidence for anything, all you did was assert as you usually do.

Point to an assertion that was made.

I deal in facts, not assertions

Amujale:
The American electoral systems are flawed in this election gone, they should have stuck to their old largely paper based systems.

There's an outbreak of election fraud accusations being flung all over the United States by team Trump.

Whatever the final conclusion, they need to scrap their current electoral systems.

Where is the assertion?

basilico:


I'll wait for election petitions.What crime did Mike Flynn commit

For one he lied to the Vice President and the FBI about discussing Russian sanctions in calls with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak prior to Trump’s inauguration.

benalvino2:


You have to have a case first for cross examination to take place. How does the judges know they are lying? The whole system is just political which is bad. Judges act as activist these days instead of following the law.

Example, the obama judge in charge of Michael flynns case. The DOJ had brought proof that he was settle up and say they are dropping the case but the judge who is supposed to allow the case go refused. Now the judge has become the persecutor.

People with first hand knowledge are not required to produce video or audio to make their testimony valid. That's not how things work in the court.

is it up to the judges to determine truth? That is for the jury I think, and that is by extension based on evidence presented, first hand witness affidavits is not evidence because once the other side produces their own first hand witness with a differing account of events your witnessed evidence stops being incontrovertible and as such inadmissible and as the accuser the onus is on you to provide the incontrovertible proof to back your claims! Do you get it now? First hand witness is not incontrovertible when every single body involved in organising, counting, monitoring and proofing the election says it was free and fair

benalvino2:


How does it connect to Russia? And he wasn't even guilty he was forced to plead guilty

Who then does Ambassador Sergey Kislyak work for?

I know in Trump's world lying is a past time, but in the real world lying under oath is a a crime. It was the same crime Bill Clinton was impeached for.

For me, it's been a learning curve.

Yes, I was always aware of election malpractices in US politics.

How eles would there be only one African American president in their history.

How else aren't there any woman to have taken up the office in the history of American politics.

This our debate ought to be poised to answer the bigger questions instead of stalling on a partisan front.

Those are rhetorical questions, they answer themselves.

benalvino2:


I never said I trust anyone. Go and quote me. I always say they sound confident from their press briefing but we will see what they come up with.

yes and I remember asking you if you'd apologise if it all turns out to be nothing seeing as you espoused her views enough to be sharing them here, well, here we are

Amujale:


Point to an assertion that was made.

I deal in facts, not assertions

Where is the assertion?

Everything you've claimed on this thread is baseless assertion and not once have you provided facts or evidence for any of it.

Amujale:


Precisely, that's the point I was alluding when extremist attempt to misconstrue what was said.

It goes to show that as usual you appear to be up to date with what's going on in our world of today.

Its important to note that I never said that the allegations are facts as some American politics extremist tried to make out, but that it's a fact that the allegations are being made by one of the major parties.

stop obfuscating ogbeni! stopping at mere allegations as a counterbalance for the fact that biden is president elect is very very lazy thinking and analysis not even worthy of a primary school pupil! in Nigeria as we sometimes sing............after the raggae play the blues......, after the allegations come the what?................................ I'll leave you to fill that blank space unless your logic stops you at allegations alone

Amujale:


That's exactly what those extremist are claiming.

malpractices, in most cases singular and unconnected does not equate fraud which is coordinated, premeditated, systemic and widespread which is what the trump campaign is alleging allegations about which seems to weigh heavily in your analysis though you claim to be neutral! Do you get the difference?

edi287:

Don't mind the comedian. Trying to form "rational" when he can't explain where Rudy has shown us HOW and WHEN Dominion was hacked to flip votes for Biden.
Awon objective guy smh...

Mschewww una get time dey engage werey wey dey disguise

Amujale:
For me, it's been a learning curve.

Yes, I was always aware of election malpractices in US politics.

How eles would there be only one African American president in their history.

How else aren't there any woman to have taken up the office in the history of American politics.

This our debate ought to be poised to answer the bigger questions instead of stalling on a partisan front.

Those are rhetorical question, they answer themselves.

You just dey talk nonsense

African Americans and women not being president does not me there is election malpractice. Its not yet up to 70 years black americans fought away segregation and got the right to vote , just around 100 years women got the right to vote too
Just shows blacks and women have not been active in politics as much as we wish

But watch out for more in the next 50 years

There would be a gay potus, a black potus, a female potus

That 3 i am sure would happen soon.

wirinet:

For one he lied to the Vice President and the FBI about discussing Russian sanctions in calls with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak prior to Trump’s inauguration.

They said he was set up ooo

budaatum:

Reminds me of Igbos who listened to Kanu and boycotted the election without realising they disenfranchised themselves.

Magas, boycott! Please!

Kanu is a mumu person

I always believed he is playing both sides, and he is an agent of the fedral government

He is making huge cash from igbo billionaires, he is grifter

If he really wants his ipob, he is doing it the wrong way, to be candid.