n3xt:


Baba, whether you have leveled floor or not, you cannot use only cement to install tiles on floors. You’ll still need some sand

That’s a negative on OPC.

Moreso, demanding straight walls and leveled floors from our contractors shouldn’t be a rocket science if it can be achieved elsewhere.

Finally, it’s only here we use OPC to install tiles. By standard, tiles installation are done with adhesive. Am I right or wrong?

That 1m people are doing it wrong doesn’t make it right.

Even if the wall is terrible, is it that most of our tilers don’t know about backer boards. These stuffs and solutions are out there for years. I think we are just stuck with conventional approach.


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In another news, I just picked up 12 bags for a 30sqm job. I’d share pictures later.

I understand you clearly bro, as I said I’m not here to markdown the product at all.

The purpose is to see how we can make some impossibility to possible by reducing cost drastically without much time wasted.
Bcs time is money too.
They are many product before lafarge and many will still come again.
But the bottom line is it’s not cheaper to use.
More so it’s best practice to lay tiles with sand, not just local practice.
It’s in building tech text book and I practice it in sch then which was supervised by the lecturer.
With mixture ratio of 1:3

So it’s not only Nigeria method as you stated.
But new innovation is what we lack here In Nigeria, and it’s simple to apply this superflex
But it not cheaper to OPC cement according to the percentage of structure in Nigeria

40kg of superflex is 4K plus
50kg of cement is 3k plus
Sand 50kg N300

n3xt:


It is for tiles ONLY (indoor application and swimming pools).
It’ll work for external application but it is not recommended. You can only use C2 class for external tiles (high rise buildings).

Let me know the quantity you want. We can always work it out.

#metoo I’m a member of small hut owner’s association.

okay. Make I reason am if it's more economical than normal cement.

valencia2012:
I just did my concrete parapet over a month ago courtesy of great tutorials from KolaShangOne, saydfact, seglad2 and Dennis3D. Same goes for muffutau55, Perfecttouchade, Maintain12, skimanski, twinskenny, Nobody, omanzo02 as I approached lintel and decking stage in 2019. Notwithstanding, none of these gentlemen got a job or token appreciation from me!
Even diordaves called out money121 twice to respond to my enquiries on parapet facia, for reasons known only to him, he didn't.
Let's bury this here and now.
Money121 is not a fan of writing or theories. He is a practical, operational and blunt person.
Based on facts on this thread, he has never cheated.
It is his prerogative to respond or not, but in the end, not only does what he knows best, but also gets it exceptionally done. Now, that we know, lets stop the name callings, please.
Give him jobs because he is good at roofing or because he is poor at responses and enlightenments. It's your choice.
We are all thieves. He who is without a sin, cast the first stone!
A little over a month ago after 8 years on nairaland, my job is handled by michlins whom I met here under a week, had a little altercation with, WITHOUT any recommendation or referral or enlightenment, a total stranger. But has taken so much pains to tutor me on almost every iron, steel and metal we come across.
Now, you can see why I love Mercedes while you might prefer Honda?

thanks for the opportunity. Work starts on your gate tomorrow, going to umunze right now to supervise a standing tank I'm doing for another Nairalander

zuraking:
okay. Make I reason am if it's more economical than normal cement.

If you’re buying 50kg Elephant Cement which can cover 4sqm at 3,000 and you’re buying 20kg Supafix Tile Adhesive which covers 5sqm at 1,950, which one do you think is cheaper?

Use a well plastered bathroom wall as a case study

rotecch77:



There product is nice.
But I’m not saying this to devalue there product but to elaborate The process more to the end users.
In all honesty the superflex can’t save you money to normal OPC cement.

Bcs 95pec structure in Nigeria are not well leveled both wall and floor
All of them required leveling both wall and floor

The only area you can get good leveling is when you are tiling on EXISTING TILES or PLYWOOD.
These surface will only required tiny thickness of superflex like 1-3mm, with this you can get 5m area covered with 1 bag of superflex 20kg.

But in all others wall you will need about 8-12mm thickness to get some of this wall to normal level
What does this mean: very simple and the answer is you will need more superflex to achieve this.
This is where you get it NOT cheaper to use.

But in terms of marble work on top of kitchen casted slab, or wall marble work go for it bcs of its nature(gummy).

But if you can straighten your wall or floor before application of the superflex you are good to go.
But remember you are using normal cement and sand to do this which is another cost also.

In conclusion it’s not cheaper to use here in Nigeria in term of saving cost.

This is my practical experience on it for some years back.

You can try your
Not bibeli

I'm with you on this. I've said it before, to achieve economy using adhesive, you must level and polish-off your German floor or decking from start. If you have done your German floor and decking the Nigerian way, sorry. Superflex can't help you. But truthfully, Superflex is the right way forward.

n3xt:


If you’re buying 50kg Elephant Cement which can cover 4sqm at 3,000 and you’re buying 20kg Supafix Tile Adhesive which covers 5sqm at 1,950, which one do you think is cheaper?

Use a well plastered bathroom wall as a case study

I like that your last statement bro
“ A well plastered wall”

If it’s regular then we will be talk of 2 bags of flex or more
1950*2 or *3

If it’s floor then it’s no go area ... higher cost

rotecch77:


I understand you clearly bro, as I said I’m not here to markdown the product at all.

The purpose is to see how we can make some impossibility to possible by reducing cost drastically without much time wasted.
Bcs time is money too.
They are many product before lafarge and many will still come again.
But the bottom line is it’s not cheaper to use.
More so it’s best practice to lay tiles with sand, not just local practice.
It’s in building tech text book and I practice it in sch then which was supervised by the lecturer.
With mixture ratio of 1:3

So it’s not only Nigeria method as you stated.
But new innovation is what we lack here In Nigeria, and it’s simple to apply this superflex
But it not cheaper to OPC cement according to the percentage of structure in Nigeria

40kg of superflex is 4K plus
50kg of cement is 3k plus
Sand 50kg N300

By my understanding, we are only paying more for tiling because of shabby flooring job done by our builders. If it’s done right, you don’t have to spend fortune to lay tiles.

4 x 20kg bag of Supafix (sold at a little less than 8,000) will cover a standard bathroom wall of 4 x 10ft (provided you have a straight wall).

I’m not sure my tiler has ever asked me to bring just 3 bags of cement to do tiling of a 4 x 10 bathroom.

By default, our mind has been pre-configured to believe that tiling requires a lot of cement. In fact, I do tell my clients tiling is the most expensive stage in building.

rotecch77:


I like that your last statement bro
“ A well plastered wall”

If it’s regular then we will be talk of 2 bags of flex or more
1950*2 or *3

If it’s floor then it’s no go area ... higher cost

”If it’s abnormal German Floor...”

However, if it’s a well laid floor supervised by Nairaland Engineer Egunmogaji2 to international standard, Supafix is far more cheaper to use than cement.


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Lafarge is also planning to introduce some new product into the market (engineered plaster sand, mortar, pre-mixed concrete etc).

Things are getting better.

Las las, we go dey alright.

THE 2 BOTH OF U .. THANK YOU

IT HAFF DO...

saydfact:
THE 2 BOTH OF U .. THANK YOU

IT HAFF DO...

I haff off mic

Good morning my wonderful people, am at the point of doing concrete parapet and roof carcass. The first question is, is it true that the 12ft(3.6m) hardwood planks are not the true length, that's what am using for my calculations but my carpenter is saying the lengths are shorten now adays, and what are the true lengths of hardwood planks in Lagos and surroundings.

To minimize cost, what's the best way getting the concrete parapet and roof carcass done, since am not on ground to get somethings done myself.


Thank you for your responses.

Abbeyb1ack:



Like have spent alot on this project and its not even moving

I heard pple say you need a certain amount to get to roofing stage of a 3 bedroom


Bt av spent more dan that
The man supplying me blocks even had to call me that the material my engineer is using is lik a waste

That the project would hav gone far that the present stage

I don tired o

Change tack.

A lot of project managers only know how to buy, what to buy and where to buy. They don’t know how to save, what to save on and areas not to bat an eyelid.

I’m sorry to say this but “Smart people rent formwork. They don’t get tricked into buying planks because they can reuse it in other stages.”

jeffdaniel:
Good morning my wonderful people, am at the point of doing concrete parapet and roof carcass. The first question is, is it true that the 12ft(3.6m) hardwood planks are not the true length, that's what am using for my calculations but my carpenter is saying the lengths are shorten now adays, and what are the true lengths of hardwood planks in Lagos and surroundings.

To minimize cost, what's the best way getting the concrete parapet and roof carcass done, since am not on ground to get somethings done myself.


Thank you for your responses.

You won't get 12ft in Lagos ooooohhh...
for hardwood the best is 11ft BUT most wld be just a lil over 10ft..

so use 10ft to do your calculation and hope you know for overlap, you'll use about 3ft. leaves you with 7ft (if you understand)

thanks boss.....i just pm'd u ......the watsapp link is not active

saydfact:


This is what about 1 hour work got me; hope you like it?

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GOODLUCK

jeffdaniel:
Good morning my wonderful people, am at the point of doing concrete parapet and roof carcass. The first question is, is it true that the 12ft(3.6m) hardwood planks are not the true length, that's what am using for my calculations but my carpenter is saying the lengths are shorten now adays, and what are the true lengths of hardwood planks in Lagos and surroundings.

To minimize cost, what's the best way getting the concrete parapet and roof carcass done, since am not on ground to get somethings done myself.


Thank you for your responses.

Have you considered using steel mold for your concrete parapet instead of woods?

For roof carcass, I’d suggest you buy from Lagos in order to minimize cost or get a reliable person to help you source from other state and deliver to your site. You can get standard wood in Lagos a little more expensive though.

n3xt:


Have you considered using steel mold for your concrete parapet instead of woods?

For roof carcass, I’d suggest you buy from Lagos in order to minimize cost or get a reliable person to help you source from other state and deliver to your site. You can get standard wood in Lagos a little more expensive though.

I was going to use it the last time an Eng said it is a NO. NO
You cast it on the ground correct?

Nice gate sir... I need similar design on my kobo kobo project. Please can I get the maker contact?.

n3xt:


”If it’s abnormal German Floor...”

However, if it’s a well laid floor supervised by Nairaland Engineer Egunmogaji2 to international standard, Supafix is far more cheaper to use than cement.


______
Lafarge is also planning to introduce some new product into the market (engineered plaster sand, mortar, pre-mixed concrete etc).

Things are getting better.

Las las, we go dey alright.

At egun baba ijebu; our father in ijebu ode.
Actually we need to step up our construction methodology..
At time the things dey tire me.
At time you will have good concept couple with critical path analysis programming of the job but workers will still Bleep you off after much payment to there pocket actually this happens in finishing.
That is the reason why I like carcass work mostly.
But as a builder I need to do all, that is What I know to do both in theory and practical.
My passion for building is second to non

GoodFaith:


I was going to use it the last time an Eng said it is a NO. NO
You cast it on the ground correct?

You cast it up just like wood. The difference is you’re using steel as the parapet formwork instead of wood.

rotecch77:


At egun baba ijebu; our father in ijebu ode.
Actually we need to step up our construction methodology..
At time the things dey tire me.
At time you will have good concept couple with critical path analysis programming of the job but workers will still Bleep you off after much payment to there pocket actually this happens in finishing.
That is the reason why I like carcass work mostly.
But as a builder I need to do all, that is What I know to do both in theory and practical.
My passion for building is second to non

Our father in Ijebu Ode who art in Elebu

300wayne:
thanks boss.....i just pm'd u ......the watsapp link is not active

Thanks for letting me know, the link is lost..
I've sent you a mail.. Regard

saydfact:


You won't get 12ft in Lagos ooooohhh...
for hardwood the best is 11ft BUT most wld be just a lil over 10ft..

so use 10ft to do your calculation and hope you know for overlap, you'll use about 3ft. leaves you with 7ft (if you understand)

I see. Thanks, Will do that.

n3xt:


Have you considered using steel mold for your concrete parapet instead of woods?

For roof carcass, I’d suggest you buy from Lagos in order to minimize cost or get a reliable person to help you source from other state and deliver to your site. You can get standard wood in Lagos a little more expensive though.

Thanks n3xt. No, i haven't thought of that. If it is economical, why not. Any link to read more about that or anyone that I can talk to for rentals?

jeffdaniel:


Thanks n3xt. No, i haven't thought of that. If it is economical, why not. Any link to read more about that or anyone that I can talk to for rentals?

Rotecch77 sure have. I have too (about 36m) but not in Lagos at moment.

Rotecch77 used it in one of his project here. I believe it’s more economical and faster than using woods.

Dijita:

I am also interested in expert opinion on this.

I am thinking of the following order after roofing:
Doors, burglary and windows
Plumbing and electrical
Plastering
POP
Electrical/plumbing fittings
kitchen cabinet and appliances
tile
Painting
Landscaping

Land scaping before painting to avoid repainting

n3xt:


You cast it up just like wood. The difference is you’re using steel as the parapet formwork instead of wood.

The Eng said NO
I wanted to save money on wood

n3xt:


By my understanding, we are only paying more for tiling because of shabby flooring job done by our builders. If it’s done right, you don’t have to spend fortune to lay tiles.

4 x 20kg bag of Supafix (sold at a little less than 8,000) will cover a standard bathroom wall of 4 x 10ft (provided you have a straight wall).

I’m not sure my tiler has ever asked me to bring just 3 bags of cement to do tiling of a 4 x 10 bathroom.

By default, our mind has been pre-configured to believe that tiling requires a lot of cement. In fact, I do tell my clients tiling is the most expensive stage in building.

I agree.

n3xt:


Rotecch77 sure have. I have too (about 36m) but not in Lagos at moment.

Rotecch77 used it in one of his project here. I believe it’s more economical and faster than using woods.

Thanks, when would yours be available? Will also talk to Rotech77.

EgunMogaji2:


Mission accomplished.

Nice gate sir... I need similar design on my kobo kobo project. Please can I get the maker contact?.

saydfact:


You won't get 12ft in Lagos ooooohhh...
for hardwood the best is 11ft BUT most wld be just a lil over 10ft..

so use 10ft to do your calculation and hope you know for overlap, you'll use about 3ft. leaves you with 7ft (if you understand)

Same in Ibadan Sir

jeffdaniel:


Thanks, when would yours be available? Will also talk to Rotech77.

If this design work for you, the mold can be readily available when you’re ready.

Your location?

n3xt:


Rotecch77 sure have. I have too (about 36m) but not in Lagos at moment.

Rotecch77 used it in one of his project here. I believe it’s more economical and faster than using woods.

Thanks chief, that is what I used mostly now, Infact its far cheaper than that yeye 0.9*10ft wood we have here in most part of Lagos

Faster, reliable, economical, stressless, and many more