phemmyfour:
Ironsi, the pace setter of coup in Nigeria, the famous Igbo coup

GGirll:



Pls read n get your facts right Nzeogwu the architect of the whole pogroms was a delta man from south south...keep calling igbos till thy kingdom come.

Deadlytruth:


It seems you didn't read through my comment carefully. As at the day Ironsi was toppled and killed, Ojukwu, Hassan and Ejoor were in charge of groups of powerless and center dependent provinces and not regions.

This is what you don't understand about resource control; in SS2 Government textbooks the civil service is defined as the only lawfully recognized institution by which any government carries out her duties. It is the civil service that a government uses to generate revenues from the resources found within her domain and deploys it to pay salaries, sponsor capital projects, etc.... meaning that a state or region controls her resource through her civil service institution.
Now, after taking away from the regions their civil services through Decree 34, how exactly were the regions supposed to be able to continue generating and controlling their resources and utilizing same in keeping to their duties?
Once the civil service became centralized by Ironsi, all the revenues they generated from their former regional domains automatically started being remitted to the center. Ask yourself if a civil servants in a federal parastatal located in, say, Enugu today can generate revenue and remit it to the Enugu State Government without being dismissed mmediately if Abuja discovers.

Again, ask yourself how Ironsi would have been able to as military HOS continue paying the salaries of the now enlarged national civil service if the former regional civil servants kept on remitting revenues to the regional governors despite now being under the control of the national military Government. Where exactly on earth does that happen?

Deadlytruth:


It seems you didn't read through my comment carefully. As at the day Ironsi was toppled and killed, Ojukwu, Hassan and Ejoor were in charge of groups of powerless and center dependent provinces and not regions.

This is what you don't understand about resource control; in SS2 Government textbooks the civil service is defined as the only lawfully recognized institution by which any government carries out her duties. It is the civil service that a government uses to generate revenues from the resources found within her domain and deploys it to pay salaries, sponsor capital projects, etc.... meaning that a state or region controls her resource through her civil service institution.
Now, after taking away from the regions their civil services through Decree 34, how exactly were the regions supposed to be able to continue generating and controlling their resources and utilizing same in keeping to their duties?
Once the civil service became centralized by Ironsi, all the revenues they generated from their former regional domains automatically started being remitted to the center. Ask yourself if a civil servants in a federal parastatal located in, say, Enugu today can generate revenue and remit it to the Enugu State Government without being dismissed mmediately if Abuja discovers.

Again, ask yourself how Ironsi would have been able to as military HOS continue paying the salaries of the now enlarged national civil service if the former regional civil servants kept on remitting revenues to the regional governors despite now being under the control of the national military Government. Where exactly on earth does that happen?

OfoIgbo:


He did not abrogate regional government. The region's were in full force throughout his tenure. Ojukwu was the governor of Eastern region. Ejoor was the governor of MidWestern region e.t.c

It was Gowon and Awolowo that got rid of the region's, eliminated resource control, and created weak states so they can carry out the plundering of state resources.

So basically the southern minorities gained states but lost resource control. That's majorly why we are where we are

Deadlytruth:


Let us even assume but not concede that Ironsi did it exactly the way you painted above; the question becomes why he even chose to tamper with a constitution which nobody or the general public ever complained about. The crisis he purported to come and address by taking over power had nothing to do with the constitution. Nigeria was not in a constitutional crisis at that moment. The politicians who were battling for supremacy were doing so over the issue of which party should align with which party to form the government at the center. None of them claimed that the constitution was their problem let alone call on the military for intervention. Neither did the Southern or Northern politicians or even the general public complain about these Northern emir's or their Southern counterparts' constitutional recognition. So what exactly attracted Ironsi to the constitution if not for a dubious ulterior motive?

blackboy:
Is nigeria a nation or a state? Political science students over to you. Is Isreal a nation or country.

BafanaBafana:

People like Ademoyega and Nzeogwu were made to believe they were carrying out a revolution. They didn't know they were ignorantly acting a script by Igbo soldiers and politicians

jneutron4000:
That was the evil intention of the Igbos to dominate everyone in Nigeria. They killed Hausa/fulanis leaders, killed Yoruba leaders then destroyed Regional government. What Hausa/fulanis are doing now is what the Igbos intended to do, they brought this problems with all are facing in Nigeria now.

JudasNaCarrot:
Ironsi was never part of the January 1966 coup. He and Odumegu Ojukwu were never part of it. Infact the the coupist, Kaduna Nzegwu,Ademoyega and other three Majors executed the coup with the plans of killing Ironsi who was at a party that night somewhere in Lagos.

Ojukwu was the one who foiled the coup in the North, making it impossible for Nzeogwu and his cohorts to succeed.

Ironsi only took over power because he was the highest ranking military officer then. His mistake was that he didn't bring the coup plotters to Justice. They should have been tried and executed by military law. His failure sent a signal that it was an ethnic cleansing carried out by officers of Igbo extraction agiant the Hausa Fulani and Yoruba ethnic groups as Azikiwe was not killed like his compatriots.

This was how the seed of ethnic division and hatred began in a once promising and examplary African Nation.

Now Buhari have taken this hatred, nepotism and destruction to the peak of mount Everest.

kestolove95:
Idiot

IamWonderful:
Baby factory people always say Yoruba are coward and backstabbers, fajuyi insisted they can't take away his visitor with him, despite igbos were the cause of the retaliation and retribution that was melted on them and which righteous fajuyi became part of it

BafanaBafana:

Then how did he become head of state?
Ironsi staged a coup within a coup.

slowice:
Yorubas re feasting on this happily... Christmas orishirishi their Dick Don stand erect like empire state building at the mention of the name... Igbo.

After all these years what have we done to put our country on the right path... Nothing, we just love measuring useless dicks and passing blames. Mumu country

OfoIgbo:


If I am reading you right, I believe one of your major points is that the then REGIONS became PROVINCES. And not that Ironsi set about to create new provinces irrespective of the then regions. If I am right in my assumption of your point above, then we are definitely on the same page with regards to that point.

Now there is a whole world of difference between SUSPENSION and ABROGATION. That Ironsi suspended certain clauses in the constitution so that he can run a military-friendly government, does not in anyway mean that it is now permanent.

When the northerners planned and carried out the genocide of July 1966, if they were so aggrieved about Ironsi's unitary government, why didn't they immediately lift the suspension placed on the federation clause and ensuring it wasn't changed over the decades that followed?

Why did Gowon and the subsequent governments make permanent, the financial.castration of states, especially now that we are supposedly running a civilian democratic government?

Even Ojukwu asked for confederation in Aburi, yet Gowon and Awolowo-led Nigerian government rejected it in favour of the current unitary government.

Don't get me wrong, I have not one single respect for Ironsi. I see him like the current Enugu governor Ugwuanyi, who are just houseboy materials and have no business being in government.

That's why I'm not super enthusiastic about semi illiterates like Peter Obi or Orji Kali taking the Igbo presidential slot.
I prefer more versatile and highly educated individuals like Prof. Kingsley Muoghalu, Soludo or Ngozi Okonjo Iweala doing the honours, as they will be more proactive in avoiding political banana peels

OfoIgbo:


If I am reading you right, I believe one of your major points is that the then REGIONS became PROVINCES. And not that Ironsi set about to create new provinces irrespective of the then regions. If I am right in my assumption of your point above, then we are definitely on the same page with regards to that point.

Now there is a whole world of difference between SUSPENSION and ABROGATION. That Ironsi suspended certain clauses in the constitution so that he can run a military-friendly government, does not in anyway mean that it is now permanent.

When the northerners planned and carried out the genocide of July 1966, if they were so aggrieved about Ironsi's unitary government, why didn't they immediately lift the suspension placed on the federation clause and ensuring it wasn't changed over the decades that followed?

Why did Gowon and the subsequent governments make permanent, the financial.castration of states, especially now that we are supposedly running a civilian democratic government?

Even Ojukwu asked for confederation in Aburi, yet Gowon and Awolowo-led Nigerian government rejected it in favour of the current unitary government.

Don't get me wrong, I have not one single respect for Ironsi. I see him like the current Enugu governor Ugwuanyi, who are just houseboy materials and have no business being in government.

That's why I'm not super enthusiastic about semi illiterates like Peter Obi or Orji Kali taking the Igbo presidential slot.
I prefer more versatile and highly educated individuals like Prof. Kingsley Muoghalu, Soludo or Ngozi Okonjo Iweala doing the honours, as they will be more proactive in avoiding political banana peels

mkpologwu:
I laugh at folks here whipping up tribal sentiments. Anyone who believes igbo is the cause of Nigeria's problem should rather blame Adam and Even for being the cause of the world's problem because both cases are history!!

I'd rather suggest we start holding the living accountable instead of waiting for them to die and start throwing blames here and there.

GeneralPula:


Wow, I didn’t know this... Somehow, I knew what the north is doing today, they must have learned it from the western leaders..

I don’t even understand why Nigeria can’t give Igbos Biafra.. The yeeboz are more wicked than Northerners if given power.

Another thing I don’t understand is why Yoruba leaders have been working towards one Nigeria? Why must it be one Nigeria? Why can’t we break away?

NazoTimes:


Nigeria is a State
While Isreal is a Nation-State

olaniyilukman:
It is sad that this man together with Adekunle Fajuyi was killed in Ibadan, this particular line explain Yoruba as the laziest ethnic group in Nigeria. How unearthed will a northerners come down to your state and killed your own... It is a pity I am a Yoruba man

Omoslim26:


Why is no one stating here dat igbos were already being slaughtered in The North way before the Coup

jneutron4000:
Yoruba are not working towards one Nigeria and the North know this fact. Now the system we Practice today where the Presidency control almost everything is the hand work of Aguiyi Ironsi an Igbo man. Are you even aware that there was a time in this country history that the Niger Delta people wanted out of Nigeria, it was the Igbos who forced them, killed some them to still be in Nigeria. Yoruba desire we go back to Regionalism or better still Oduduwa Republic, the Igbos or the other hand are not asking for Igbo speaking territories as a Nation they wish for it to break out of Nigeria rather they want a Biafra that must also include other non Igbo territories, now you see where the criminality lies? Knowing fully well that Niger Delta or SS ethnicities do not wish to be part of it and will always wish to have an independence state/ region of their own. Till date, it is only the Igbos you will find spreading all across Nigeria, those that really shows this people truly want out of Nigeria? The Igbos are the forcing making diving Nigeria very difficult. Yoruba leaders are playing politics, and if a proper Yoruba man gets to power today, I can assure you that 70% he would return Nigeria back to Regional government where regions, states and the people will take back control of all what Aguiyi Ironsi took away through decree 34.

Deadlytruth:


Well, even though Lord Luggard made that selfish mistake, the likes of Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Balewa, Enahoro and Awolowo later realized it was a mistake and therefore made proposals for correcting the mistake either by way of de-amalgamation or making provision for secession clause in our future constitution to give legal backing to whichever tribe or region would later want out. But Igbos under the leadership of Azikiwe, Ojukwu and Ironsi at different times thwarted all these efforts by killing the some of the proponents and instigating the British to jail them at different times. In a particular instance they even arrested and sentenced to death by hanging the first person to attempt secession physically (Isaac Adaka Boro).In addition Aguiyi Ironsi even went as far as promulgating Anti-secession Decree.
But today the tide had turned against them and rather than confess to all these evils they did in the past and apologise to other tribes for laying the foundation of an indivisible Nigeria, they keep playing the victim card for losing innocent lives in a war they caused. Who takes such people seriously? In actual fact they are only asking for secession now just because they have lost control at the center. Visit NL threads on the dissolution of Nigeria when Jonathan was in power and you will be shocked how much they spoke in favour of one-Nigeria like they did during the colonial era when it appeared to them that their gods would give them Nigeria to dominate post independence.

Dedetwo:


Have you seen or read about governance by the military directed through constitution instead of marshal law? Ironsi was not elected instead found himself in an unusual position by unforeseen circumstances. If you tow the line you seemed to express in the above post, it is safe to question your intellectual sincerity in this discuss. The early of morning on January 15, 1966 when young Nigerian soldiers struck to overthrow the civilian government was exactly the moment the constitution was suspended.

Ezeama400:


The bolded is not true.. Gowon abolished regional government and created 12 states.. Your lies and propaganda can never be true despite repeating it million times..

[b]Before Gowon became head of state in August 1966, Nigeria was a federation of

1) 4 semi-autonomous Regions
2) Each Region had resource control
3)Each Region kept 50% of whatever accrued within it, paid the Federal Government 25% and the rest 25% went into a General account that all the Regions including the Federal Government could use for developmental purpose.
4)Because the 4 Regions were semi-autonomous, it made the centre week and prevented any Region from dominating another

Today, we have

1)36 states that have little or no resource control
2) A powerful Federal government that now pays the states
3)Fiscal federalism is dead

How did we get here? It was Gowons promulgation of Decree 14 on the 27th of May 1967 that caused it all. It was this same decree that forced Ojukwu to declare the Eastern Region a seperate country called Biafra 3 days later and this led to the war. It should also be added that decree 14 was a violation of the Aburi agreement that both Gowon and Ojukwu signed in Ghana.


Decree 14, abolished the 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states, took away resource control, reversed fiscal responsibility and made the federal government all powerful

It was seen for what it was by Ojukwu and the Eastern Region, a calculated attempt by Gowon and his Northern cohorts to dominate everyone.

Suddenly, the North that was one Region, had 6 states while the South that was 3 Regions had to share 6 states between them. This effectively made the North the dominant partner[/b]


Subsequent military administration's led by Northerners subdivided the 12 states Gowon created, and gave the North more states and local governments than the south

Today, the North that was one Region has overwhelming advantage over the South that was 3 Regions

1) The North has 19 states while the south has 17

2)Of the 109 Senators in Nigeria, the North has 59 while the south has 50

3) Of the 360 house of rep members, the North has 191 while the South has 169

4) Of the 774 Local Governments in Nigeria, the North has 419 while the South has 355

This undue advantage given to the North, starting with Gowons decree 14 which changed the structure of Nigeria, is what led to war and created the mess Nigeria is in today

Know your history..

I am done with you.. Bye