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Deadlytruth:
You speak as if it was only Benin that Biafran soldiers diverted to. Didn't some detachments also divert to Warri, Auchi, Okene, Agenebode, etc? And Ojukwu who, according to you, only instructed them to go to Lagos and overthrow Gowon could not met any single disciplinary action on the commanders of those troops that so detached to all these towns from the Lagos bound battalion? You people just love clinging to straws during these debates.

He say na clinging to straws You are describing yourself. I have cited Ademoyega as a source but you are quoting beer parlour gist with no source. You claimed that Ejoor was "dislodged" Who told you this?

nku5:
This is not true. What is the source of your information. Ojukwu had no plans to appoint any administrator and nobody dislodged Ejoor oh

On the contrary Banjo instead of continuing to Lagos , wasted valuable hours in Benin trying to convince Ejoor to remain in charge. Ejoor ran away to Lagos so Banjo chose Lt. Col Trimnell (an Itsekiri). When that too did not work, Okonkwo was appointed. This information is from Ademoyega's book.

On your quick reference of Adegboyega's book: Every educated person knows that no author writes a book to indict himself especially if the topic has to do with a misadventure that ended up in chaos and bloodshed, so you don't expect Adegboyega or any other author of any book on this matter to narrate a 100% honest story.
As in intellectual therefore, you read and aggressively task your cerebrum to filter the lies away from the truth. That exactly is what we are doing here. So stop quoting Adegboyega as if his own account was specially written from heaven.

OROSUNBOLB:
Thank you very much and may God continue to enrich your knowledge. I can't wait to read your book as soon as it is available.

Please,continue to set the record straight. We actually need moment of truth like this in our national life. The lies and propaganda have been allowed to fester on for too long and that's why our country is just the way it is today - jagajaga !

He is a liar. I have asked him to answer certain questions and he has been avoiding it. people always spread lies claiming they are versed in Nigeria's history

OROSUNBOLB:
Ride on sir ! I'm following you bumper to bumper ! You're simply too hot for these Igbo comedians to handle.

Can you please write a book on the subject matter ? It is important you do so as to debunk some of the ageless lies and propagandas of our brothers from the other side of the Niger. The danger in it is that these lies and propaganda are being passed from generation to generation and that corrupt the mind of an average Igbo person who now sees other Nigerians,especially,the Yorubas ,as enemies.

Please sir,consider my suggestion; let's have all these facts in a book for ease of reference.

Thank you.

Do you know you talk like a child the person you are hailing is simply feeling uncomfortable because most of us that know history are challenging him. First he claimed zik scattered NYM and i asked him how is it possible when he joined NYM in 1938 much later and then he next talked about non secession clause and i called him out on his lies and he had no answer. now i have asked him to state what was Zik's post in Biafra because he stated that Zik was involved in Biafra. He is trying to cleverly dodge the question.
why do you lots gain by vilifying igbos when that coup even had Yorubas there as planners Ademoyega and Fola Oyewole

Deadlytruth:
On your quick reference of Adegboyega's book: Every educated person knows that no author writes a book to indict himself especially if the topic has to do with a misadventure that ended up in chaos and bloodshed, so you don't expect Adegboyega or any other author of any book on this matter to narrate a 100% honest story.
As in intellectual therefore, you read and aggressively task your cerebrum to filter the lies away from the truth. That exactly is what we are doing here. So stop quoting Adegboyega as if his own account was specially written from heaven.

But the same you were quick to use a reference in wikipedia to talk about NYM and another link too. see how you are indicting yourself here

obynzo:
He is a liar. I have asked him to answer certain questions and he has been avoiding it. people always spread lies claiming they are versed in Nigeria's history

I don't know which question you asked me that I have not answered. On the other hand I have been asking you how Azikiwe was made an envoy to Biafran whether by appointment or by self imposition but rather than answer me you have been throwing insults and innuendos. The liar is he who is first to resort to abuses in a debate anchored on facts and logic.

Deadlytruth:
On your quick reference of Adegboyega's book: Every educated person knows that no author writes a book to indict himself especially if the topic has to do with a misadventure that ended up in chaos and bloodshed, so you don't expect Adegboyega or any other author of any book on this matter narrated a 100% honest story.
As in intellectual therefore, you read and apply your logical faculty to filter the lies away from the truth. That exactly is what we are doing here. So stop quoting Adegboyega as if his account was written from heaven.

this is pathetic psuedo-intellectual stuff. Ademoyega's account has been upheld by historians as one of the most authoritative accounts of the war but you with your 2MB data plan and NL account have appointed yourself as judge of history.

Oya let me help you. Being another source contrary to Ademoyega. I dey wait

obynzo:
But the same you were quick to use a reference in wikipedia to talk about NYM and another link too. see how you are indicting yourself here

And did I stop you or anyone else from faulting that wikipedia claim with logic?

Deadlytruth:
And did I stop you or anyone else from faulting that wikipedia claim with logic?

chai

Deadlytruth:
I don't know which question you asked me that I have not answered. On the other hand I have been asking you how Azikiwe was made an envoy to Biafran whether by appointment or by self imposition but rather than answer me you have been throwing insults and innuendos. The liar is he who is first to resort to abuses in a debate anchored on facts and logic.

But you abused me. you were the one throwing abuses. Oga you claim to know the history of the civil war Oya please what was Zik's post in Biafra. you keep denying that i didn't ask you the question.

nku5:
chai

@nku5 has busted your lies. Dude you cannot win this one. There are igbos that really know their history for long you guys have spread lies so much just to vilify the igbos

johntolu:
I beg to disagree my Brother.
The only person among our founding fathers, who threw his foresight to the dogs, was Azikwe and he apparently did this, because of what himself and other Igbo leaders, felt they stand to benefit from a United Nigeria despite all the signals from the North that they were not interested in a United Nigeria.

Nigeria's creation was as a result of the mistake of 1914 which must be corrected; Alhaji Ahmadu Bello.

There is no basis for Nigeria's unity; Chief Obafemi Awolowo.

Let's forget our differences; Chief Nnamdi Azikiwe.

You're correct bro.
As a united Nigeria, we can still overcome our differences and find a common ground if only both our past and present leaders have done the right thing. For instance, the first coup was foiled by Ironsi, it is expected of him to brought the perpetrators to justice and return to civilian rule.
I feel the Decree 34 was inconsequential.
Second, hadn't been our leaders have sense there should be a provision for the post of DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER in order for forestall unforeseen circumstances.
Balewa was murdered, yet the coup was foiled. The deputy prime minister should have step forward instead of the then Chief of Army Staff.
In essence, our foundation was poor and watery.

obynzo:
Do you know you talk like a child the person you are hailing is simply feeling uncomfortable because most of us that know history are challenging him. First he claimed zik scattered NYM and i asked him how is it possible when he joined NYM in 1938 much later and then he next talked about non secession clause and i called him out on his lies and he had no answer. now i have asked him to state what was Zik's post in Biafra because he stated that Zik was involved in Biafra. He is trying to cleverly dodge the question.
why do you lots gain by vilifying igbos when that coup even had Yorubas there as planners Ademoyega and Fola Oyewole

The guys weaves lies and truth like magic. Catch him on one he moves to the next. I have counted about 15 lies on this thread

nku5:
this is pathetic psuedo-intellectual stuff. Ademoyega's account has been upheld by historians as one of the most authoritative accounts of the war but you with your 2MB data plan and NL account have appointed yourself as judge of history.

Oya let me help you. Being another source contrary to Ademoyega. I dey wait

You see yourself? Haven't we had cases in the world over where historians upheld a particular notion and then later discoveries proved them wrong? There are at least 10 self contradictory claims I spotted in Adegboyega's books when I read it. I will just mention one here for you to know that your theory that historians upheld it doesn't make it infallible.
Adegboyega claims in the book that they had started planning the coup right from 1961. In another line he claims that the coup was inspired in them by the corruption rampant in Government circles.
Now, a government that came to power late 1960 and in mid 1961 was already adjudged as having plundered the treasury so much meaning that within the space of 8 months, give and take, the new Government had stolen so much of the nation's wealth. In the first instance how did Adegboyega and the rest come about such information when there was no probe of that government let alone a report being published to that effect? And Adegboyega wants you to believe that they were guided by principles and reason in the conception and execution of the coup?

obynzo:
But you abused me. you were the one throwing abuses. Oga you claim to know the history of the civil war Oya please what was Zik's post in Biafra. you keep denying that i didn't ask you the question.

. you said he was an envoy and I agreed you are genuinely correct. Then I asked you whether he wasn't so appointed by the Biafran Government and then you burst into a fit of anger because you knew the question bursts your claim on why Ojukwu should have given him a position in Biafra secessionist movement knowing fully well his Anti-secession antecedents.

Our original issue is why should Ojukwu give him a position in biafra at all and then expect Awolowo to continue supporting Biafra with Zik an Anti-secession agent having a position or official role to play in the secession movement. This is what you chose to avoid by resorting to playing the devil's advocate.

nku5:
The guys weaves lies and truth like magic. Catch him on one he moves to the next. I have counted about 15 lies on this thread

Why not enumerate those 15 lies one by one? Do you just enjoy making accusations? I have asked you why Ojukwu refused to punish those soldiers who detached to Warri, Auchi, Okene, Agenebode, etc all from Benin if it is true Ojukwu only instructed them to move to Lagos and dislodge Gowon. You have not answered me yet you keep claiming I am the one dodging questions.
I am still waiting for your answer on that though.

nku5:
He say na clinging to straws You are describing yourself. I have cited Ademoyega as a source but you are quoting beer parlour gist with no source. You claimed that Ejoor was "dislodged" Who told you this?

So Adegboyega didn't write about the detachments to Warri Auchi Okene Agenebode etc which Ojukwu himself acknowledge yet you hold Adegboyegas book as infallible?

Deadlytruth:
. you said he was an envoy and I agreed you are genuinely correct. Then I asked you whether he wasn't so appointed by the Biafran Government and then you burst into a fit of anger because you knew the question bursts your claim on why Ojukwu should have given him a position in Biafra secessionist movement knowing fully well his Anti-secession antecedents.

Our original issue is why should Ojukwu give him a position in biafra at all and then expect Awolowo to continue supporting Biafra with Zik an Anti-secession agent having a position or official role to play in the secession movement. This is what you chose to avoid by resorting to playing the devil's advocate.

Do you want to lie that in my previous posts that i didn't state why Ojukwu made Zik an envoy for Biafra? Oga you were claiming to know a lot about our history. Oya please according to you in your own version what was Zik's post in Biafra?

bayocanny:
You're correct bro.
As a united Nigeria, we can still overcome our differences and find a common ground if only both our past and present leaders have done the right thing. For instance, the first coup was foiled by Ironsi, it is expected of him to brought the perpetrators to justice and return to civilian rule.
I feel the Decree 34 was inconsequential.

Second, hadn't been our leaders have sense there should be a provision for the post of DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER in order for forestall unforeseen circumstances.

Balewa was murdered, yet the coup was foiled. The deputy prime minister should have step forward instead of the then Chief of Army Staff.
In essence, our foundation was poor and watery.

In a society where virtue takes the place of stupidity, the position of Deputy Prime Minister should have been a forgone conclusion. There was a deputy prime minister in the mode of the Ranking Minister since it was coalition government. However those who thought they were born to govern refused to adhere to the simple protocol.

Deadlytruth:
So Adegboyega didn't write about the detachments to Warri Auchi Okene Agenebode etc which Ojukwu himself acknowledge yet you hold Adegboyegas book as infallible?

Oga those detachments were used to flank the enemy and aid the movement of the forward troops to Lagos. Stop trying to be smart.

Deadlytruth:
So Adegboyega didn't write about the detachments to Warri Auchi Okene Agenebode etc which Ojukwu himself acknowledge yet you hold Adegboyegas book as infallible?

Focus on your claim that Ejoor had to be "dislodged" from his position. Same Ejoor that boasted that he melted away and rode to Lagos on his bicycle Bring your source ogbeni!

obynzo:
Do you know you talk like a child the person you are hailing is simply feeling uncomfortable because most of us that know history are challenging him. First he claimed zik scattered NYM and i asked him how is it possible when he joined NYM in 1938 much later and then he next talked about non secession clause and i called him out on his lies and he had no answer. now i have asked him to state what was Zik's post in Biafra because he stated that Zik was involved in Biafra. He is trying to cleverly dodge the question.
why do you lots gain by vilifying igbos when that coup even had Yorubas there as planners Ademoyega and Fola Oyewole

You have a nemesis in "Deadlytruth" already; face your nemesis please ! You won't get further response from me 'cause 'Deadlytruth' is pummeling your flat head just the way I like it !

Dedetwo:
In a society where virtue takes the place of stupidity, the position of Deputy Prime Minister should have been a forgone conclusion. There was a deputy prime minister in the mode of the Ranking Minister since it was coalition government. However those who thought they were born to govern refused to adhere to the simple protocol.

You're not far from the truth brother, the coalition govt was suppose to spell out the position of deputy prime minister and ratified it in the constitution but they failed to do so.

OROSUNBOLB:
You have a nemesis in "Deadlytruth" already; face your nemesis please ! You won't get further response from me 'cause 'Deadlytruth' is pummeling your flat head just the way I like it !

����� you really make me laugh. someone that is having a hard time trying to defend his lies. you are here saying he is pummeling. Anyway what do you expect from a paid online e-rat with no means of livelyhood. You would need to justify the peanuts given to you of course. Shior go and get a real job and stop spreading hate online

nku5:
Focus on your claim that Ejoor had to be "dislodged" from his position. Same Ejoor that boasted that he melted away and rode to Lagos on his bicycle Bring your source ogbeni!

Leave that man jare. he thinks he can come and spread lies online and that no one would call out his bull shit

bayocanny:
You're not far from the truth brother, the coalition govt was suppose to spell out the position of deputy prime minister and ratified it in the constitution but they failed to do so.

Bro, I guess you did not forget who gave Nigeria the constitution. The 1960 Nigerian constitution was the one the colonialists used before the independence. In 1963, it was merely edited. HRM, Queen of UK was changed to President of Nigeria.

So human beings with fully developed brains believe that Zik was powerful enough to force his will on the British and all the other tribes leaders regarding a secession clause in the Nigerian constitution

Chai this Igbo obsession should be designated as a kind of madness walahi

For people who want to learn about the mood in the counyry just after the nzeogwu coup, here is an interview of a Yoruba journalist in Lagos a few days after.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S0F_5ma4lM

nku5:
Focus on your claim that Ejoor had to be "dislodged" from his position. Same Ejoor that boasted that he melted away and rode to Lagos on his bicycle Bring your source ogbeni!

When someone melts away, what does it mean? It simple means to escape from trouble stealthily. Doesn't that now lend credence to the fact that Ejoor was chased after by Biafran soldiers in the process of dislodging him? Do you chase after someone you are not trying to dislodge and or capture in a war?

nku5:
For people who want to learn about the mood in the counyry just after the nzeogwu coup, here is an interview of a Yoruba journalist in Lagos a few days after.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S0F_5ma4lM

That was few hours after the coup and when the heavily lopsided ethnic pattern of the casualties was yet to come to the knowledge of the general public.
That a journalist even justified the sacking of a democratically elected government by the military was an indication of how hopeless the country was.
Ask yourself if the military ever interfered in the democratic experience of advanced countries like US, UK, Germany, Japan, France, etc which are the world economic and military powers today and compare it with very economically backward and near failed countriess like Nigeria, Sudan, etc which had military rule as part of their history then tell me if military intervention in democracy is justified in any way as long as the prosperity, growth and development of a country are concerned.

In political philosophy, ultimate sovereignty is said to reside with the people and not the army and not even the legislature. The people express that sovereignty through the ballot box. So if there is the need for a change of government, only the people have the power to do so. The military came into existence through the sovereign will of the people who created it by law to protect the territorial integrity of their country. So military take over of government is an aberration akin to a situation whereby the parents of a household are quarrelling and the security man employed by the family to protect them decides to kill those parents and then assume the role of new parents over the children. This is how senseless it is to justify military intervention and any genuinely educated person must never have a reason to rationalize or justify such an anomaly except he will tolerate it if his employed security man in his house does it to him and his wife.

nku5:
So human beings with fully developed brains believe that Zik was powerful enough to force his will on the British and all the other tribes leaders regarding a secession clause in the Nigerian constitution

Chai this Igbo obsession should be designated as a kind of madness walahi

Zik relied on and used the British might of threat to have his way in that debate as the British helped him to threaten the secession proponents to capitulation with treason charges.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2017/06/25/my-opposition-to-secession-zik/amp/

Recall that Ironsi and Ojukwu used the military might of Zik's one-Nigeria army to crush Isaac Boro's secession bid.

Dedetwo:
Bro, I guess you did not forget who gave Nigeria the constitution. The 1960 Nigerian constitution was the one the colonialists used before the independence. In 1963, it was merely edited. HRM, Queen of UK was changed to President of Nigeria.

Oh sorry bro, thanks for the reminder.
I hope someday we can leverage on our diversity and make our country great.