Dedetwo:


Bro, I guess you did not forget who gave Nigeria the constitution. The 1960 Nigerian constitution was the one the colonialists used before the independence. In 1963, it was merely edited. HRM, Queen of UK was changed to President of Nigeria.

Number1benue:


Waybill baba.......I really need to read that book baba. I don day find that book to read now for a little over two years now.

obynzo:


@nku5 has busted your lies. Dude you cannot win this one. There are igbos that really know their history for long you guys have spread lies so much just to vilify the igbos

obynzo:


Bros don't try to avoid me. come and tell us what was Zik's post in Biafra? you think you can come and incite tribal hatred on this forum?

obynzo:


Do you know you talk like a child the person you are hailing is simply feeling uncomfortable because most of us that know history are challenging him. First he claimed zik scattered NYM and i asked him how is it possible when he joined NYM in 1938 much later and then he next talked about non secession clause and i called him out on his lies and he had no answer. now i have asked him to state what was Zik's post in Biafra because he stated that Zik was involved in Biafra. He is trying to cleverly dodge the question.
why do you lots gain by vilifying igbos when that coup even had Yorubas there as planners Ademoyega and Fola Oyewole

Deadlytruth:


Igbos are blamed about the coup not because of the ethnic composition of the planners but the heavily lopsided ethnic pattern of the execution and killings which spared all Igbo politicians but consumed their colleagues from other regions and tribes despite they all participated in the allegedly fantastically corruption ridden government of the day.
Why was no single Igbo politician killed despite there were up to three of them in the coupists hit list?

(Innocent) coincidences, they would have us believe

ibietela2:


Order on Konga

Deadlytruth:


Do you even know what it means to burst a lie? The same nku5 that has not been able to answer my question as to why Ojukwu failed to punish those Biafran soldiers that detached to Auchi Okene Agenebode Warri and Okene if Ojukwu didn't give them such instructions?

T9ksy:



(Innocent) coincidences, they would have us believe

obynzo:


In which sector of the coup was there a failure of the coup? In the Lagos sector and this was logistic failures

T9ksy:



(Innocent) coincidences, they would have us believe

Deadlytruth:


I disagree with you. The Independence Constitution was a we-the-people constitution produced entirely from inputs by the freely elected representatives from all federal constituencies to the 1957 London Constitutional conference. The British had no input in it at all. Here is a video of it. Note the British guys in the background who were only watching the proceedings in observer capacity. Happy watching:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m_Q60YfVJ8

obynzo:


In which sector of the coup was there a failure of the coup?[b] In the Lagos sector and this was logistic failures that gave it an ethnic colouration [/b]and I don't blame anyone honestly if they have that notion, but my own anger is that these guys clearly acted on their own their mistakes their actions and inactions were clearly their own doing so why would a whole tribe be blamed for their actions? But most of us conveniently didn't blame the middle belt when Dimka plotted his coup, you see the hypocrisy here.

obynzo:


In which sector of the coup was there a failure of the coup? In the Lagos sector and this was logistic failures

obynzo:


Oga If you must know the terms of reference for the talks at Lancaster House for independence was clearly spell out by the British, and it was that the borders of colonial Nigeria would never be redrawn or changed.

obynzo:


Oga those detachments were used to flank the enemy and aid the movement of the forward troops to Lagos. Stop trying to be smart.

obynzo:


In which sector of the coup was there a failure of the coup? In the Lagos sector and this was logistic failures that gave it an ethnic colouration and I don't blame anyone honestly if they have that notion, but my own anger is that these guys clearly acted on their own their mistakes their actions and inactions were clearly their own doing so why would a whole tribe be blamed for their actions? But most of us conveniently didn't blame the middle belt when Dimka plotted his coup, you see the hypocrisy here.

obynzo:


Oga stop exposing your stupidity online real-time. First of all Gowon repealed Ironsi's decree and it was Gowon who split Nigeria into states it was Gowon who created the quasi federal structure which was further enhanced from Muritala downwards, so please quit being stupid and be reasonable with your comments

obynzo:


Oga stop exposing your stupidity online real-time. First of all Gowon repealed Ironsi's decree and it was Gowon who split Nigeria into states it was Gowon who created the quasi federal structure which was further enhanced from Muritala downwards, so please quit being stupid and be reasonable with your comments

Deadlytruth:


There is what is called foresight and being realistic. A proverb also says that the morning shows the day meaning that you can actually predict the future to a high level of accuracy based on the events of the present. The events back then clearly pointed to a very dark and bleak future and Azikiwe himself and Igbos knew it but their ulterior motive took the better of them. With Northerners already killing Southerners in Kano and Jos over the most trivial issues, what more evidence did any sensible and honest person need to infer that Nigeria had no future and one-Nigerianism was a misleading doctrine?
Aren't we Southerners including your very self currently asking for dissolution of the union because we can see and infer from the present insecurity and lopsidedness in appointments by the FG that the future is scary? So quit this line of defense for Azikiwe's folly and Igbos' tacit support for his misadventures back then.

melodyogonna:

Again, you don't know what you're saying. You don't understand how things worked then, there is no documentation. Zik did what he thought would be best for the future, with North, East and West together the country would be an economic powerhouse, rivalling the best countries in the world in almost anything. He sacrificed the prime minister position he would have had for that, it's sad it didn't turn out the way imagined, but it might have. With a little more visionary leader at those early days the country would have been a force to reckon with. I regret that it didn't work, now I would want nothing more than for Igbos to stay on their own, I'm genuinely tired of us being everyone's problem.

T9ksy:



In that case, am sure you will agree with the rest of us who opined and still continue to do so, that Zik ( in spite of his educational

attainments and command of the colonialist’s language which he utilised to great measures to bamboozle his gullible followers), had no business

running a kindergarten playground scheme, never mind deciding the future of millions of people, if he couldn’t discern the obvious writings on the

wall of Nigeria’s pseudo-unity that he would vehemently opposed the inclusion of a secession clause in the constitution of the new nation. This is

despite the killings of his people in 1945 and again in 1953. Unless, of course, he had other ulterior motives for his staunch support for One indivisible

Nigeria..

Deadlytruth:


You speak as if it was only Benin that Biafran soldiers diverted to. Didn't some detachments also divert to Warri, Auchi, Okene, Agenebode, etc? And Ojukwu who, according to you, only instructed them to go to Lagos and overthrow Gowon could not met any single disciplinary action on the commanders of those troops that so detached to all these towns from the Lagos bound battalion? You people just love clinging to straws during these debates.

blackboy:
Is nigeria a nation or a state? Political science students over to you. Is Isreal a nation or country.

melodyogonna:

Tbh I don't understand most of what you wrote but I agree Zik messed up, I can't really remember how much I've blamed him. But I also try to at why people make the decisions they make instead of only the outcome. You can't categorically say the outcome would have been better if everyone went their separate ways, might have been in a decades long war.

Dedetwo:


If the above silly assertion holds any water, a person wonders why successive coups in Nigeria were not termed "Open declaration of war against other Nigerians". Coups in Nigeria were precipitated by elements of Nigerian army not tribes. Only a hypocritical goon will believe otherwise. Since after January 15, 1966, Nigeria had, at least, witnessed more than two coups yet no loudmouthed ninny had described them as "Open declaration of war against other Nigerians". Nigeria is simply a joke.

Deadlytruth:


Don't you think you Igbos are equally guilty of the bolded by putting the blame of Akenzua's alleged role in the failure of Aburi Accord on all Edo people despite knowing fully well that Akenzua as of then was working in permanent secretary capacity for the establishment hence wasn't representing Edo people or their interest in any democratic sense?

On your excuse of logistic failure as being responsible for the selective execution of the coup; I have this question to ask:

Azikiwe was one of those penciled down by the coupists for death. In fact according to some accounts he was the prime target. Now Azikiwe left the country three clear months to the D-day of the coup and his exit from Nigeria was well published in the papers to the knowledge of the public and the coupists. But knowing fully well that their prime target had escaped and wasn't likely to return anytime soon, the coupists still went ahead to carry out the coup. Why?

It is like claiming that you want to set a particular bush on fire because of a rat living in it, but the rat somehow got wind of your plans and relocated from the bush and you got informed about it but you still set the bush on fire all the same. Then it means your actual reason for wanting to burn the bush was not the rat but for a totally different selfish reason while just using the rat as a cover up.

T9ksy:



At least, you admit that Zik phocked up, big time. With the goings on prior to independence, zik ought to have had the vision that nigeria was not a viable contraption. Had he posses that vision, he wouldn;t have opposed the inclusion of the secession Clause into the constitution of the new country. There would have been no need for any long war IF only zik had not fought against the secession clause, believing instead in the fake unity of Nigeria.

Dedetwo:


Please do not make yourself a case study of this discuss. You have agreed the government was coalition type and must have the partners to remain in government. Why would you even insinuate about NPC being the major party in coalition when it could not form a government as so-called major party? If the NPC dreamt any attempt to show itself as a major party in the coalition, it would have become opposition party in a hurry. Action Group was already in alliance with NCNC and would have formed a coalition government without NPC. Being the party that won majority of the seats but not enough or even half of the seats to form a government does not confer anything to the party. NPC and NCNC could not agree on the prime minister candidate. In fact, NCNC already had a prime minister in wait who was the ranking minister and usually deputizes for the prime minister. However due to the foolhardy of the NPC ministers to follow simple protocol, they insisted to produce the prime minister in the coalition. In coalition government, the party which won most of the seats gets the prime minister while coalition partners gets the slot for the ranking minister who in practical terms, a deputy prime minister.