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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Amastermovic(m): 7:54am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Good morning All, I need to give some observation, read carefully. As a silent reader I notice the trend of everyone wanting a steel tank stand, and materials suggestion keeps going on kindly notice the following. Steel section are choose from expected load (tank size) ..but the bracing are always strategically place to reduce section at times or for stiffness purpose If a steel section works in Lagos for example doesn't mean same will work in Abuja the wind pressure in each state in Nigeria is significantly different according to the wind isopleth data, so when assume this is always dangerous.. Section like UC, UB Angle iron etc all have minor axis and major axis meaning the direction of face are of important, reason you see people using CHS (recommended sizes) u don't have to worry about any local bending its strong all through . The base plate need to be check like wise the HDB(hold down bolt) The foundation this is important and done with three things put into consideration (weight of the steel ,wght of water , wind reactions on the structure ,live load of access also) Not to bore you much your tank may be over designed (waste of money at least safe sha) or under designed (total waste of money and intending disaster waiting to happen) A tank stand is a structural elements you should never toy with it because its failure is always a serious issues. 17 Likes 1 Share |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 8:10am On Jan 03, 2021 |
InvertedHammer: Thank you all. Your suggestions are all noted as my client is reading this thread. May we all have a prosperous, fun filled 2021. 3 Likes
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by megacontrol(m): 8:26am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Hello guys, Does anyone have a site security man to recommend? Maybe someone you have used before on your site during construction and now you no longer need him after completing your build? The location is lekki and as usual he will live on the site for the period of the project (estimated 1yr). Pls holla if you can help. Thanks 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 8:33am On Jan 03, 2021 |
megacontrol: I do. I’ll WhatsApp you shortly 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 8:46am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Access14: Good Morning..... Just a couple of questions though out of curiosity 1) What's the level(height) of your land to the existing road where those spoilers chairs are kept? I'm also assuming that may not be the area where the main entrance is? 2) What are your plans to build(type of build) on the land(present or still in the future)? 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 8:46am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Amastermovic: Not just the tank stand alone but every other steel structures too. My steel fabricator doesn’t weld gate or burglary proofs. He only handle steel structures. 2 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 8:55am On Jan 03, 2021 |
sinorte: IVe replies you twice but interestingly nairaland spambot has been unleashed. All thanks to ineffective pm function. The guy will do less than 500k. Check his contact information in my signature below. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 9:01am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Amastermovic: The bold is not acceptable in construction engineering in any part of the world. Any type of design that leads to wastage of resources(material, money, labour and time) is just to hide the in-experience of the individual. 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 9:02am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Temi1: At much later time today, I’d do that on kobocity.com and share the link here. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 9:03am On Jan 03, 2021 |
bixton: I don’t get this... |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Amastermovic(m): 9:10am On Jan 03, 2021 |
bixton: Yes you are very right sir. Every build should be of value , money is not easy to come by , reason most nairaland check on this thread and double check for alternative. 4 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by edoman2016: 9:17am On Jan 03, 2021 |
bayo2018:Ask yourself again if 3.5 million sound possible for what you listed? Did anyone tell you building materials is produced on nairaland? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Amastermovic(m): 9:23am On Jan 03, 2021 |
kobocity: Well detailed and impressive, I kind of like your diversity on most niche of building and engineering , don't forget to add a dedicated structural section on kobocity for some of us to review structural drawing and learn ..most building cost can be strategically reduce by optimizing the structural elements rightly 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 9:27am On Jan 03, 2021 |
kobocity: From the original OP... Over designs leading to waste of money is not a good engineering construction acceptable practice. Every good design comes with a designed safety factor. A good understanding of construction engineering goes hand in hand with a good knowledge of economics. Building out of fear to ensure the safety of a structure is not a proper proof of acquired knowledge or experience. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 9:31am On Jan 03, 2021 |
edoman2016: You should have encouraged him to start the build with available amount and continue to provide funds as the building processes progresses rather than trying to fight him. 9 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by edoman2016: 9:40am On Jan 03, 2021 |
bixton:I am not a builder or engineer. But the request just sound ridiculous to me. 2 units of two bedroom flat and 3 units of one bedroom flat and be fully decked for 3.5 million naira? 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 9:46am On Jan 03, 2021 |
edoman2016: He is just trying to make enquires and make better plans ahead. 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 9:48am On Jan 03, 2021 |
jabolo: I had it included on my no. 10th build of this design (pic 1) which we first built in 2012. My client in 2012 actually wanted something similar but we couldn’t push it through as I had to get on another project after delivering 2 carcass structure for him. Unfortunately I don’t take construction pictures like before to show the build process but I can share the plans and need-to-knows - not here - on kobocity.com _______ Megacontrol have something similar in one of his build too. I remembered he contacted me when he wanted to build the structure but... _______ Pic 1: NextHome’s Detached Duplex Prototype designed in 2012 by brabus (3D model by Ihebrooke) Pic 2: Construction picture of one of the model built in 2015 Pic 3: Building the penthouse in 2019 model Pic 4: Pic from megacontrol’s project. 2 Likes
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 9:57am On Jan 03, 2021 |
edoman2016: Not fully decked. Raised to first floor slab level. 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by edoman2016: 10:08am On Jan 03, 2021 |
kobocity:he said decking level. However its none of my concern. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by michlins(m): 10:12am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Amastermovic:the most important part of tank stand is the foundation. It varies from place to place and that's why it's recommended to do the job on site so you can see the soil you're working with and find out the kind of foundation it requires. What works in Nnewi will NEVER work in Lagos. The weight of water and load is same everywhere and as such same material that works at point A can work at B provided the weight, height remains the same. It's a hollow structure and so wind can freely pass without compromising the structure. Another factor is the ability of the welder to weld well. I don't know how to explain this part. If the three factors are adhered to, you will get a structure that will outlive the building 4 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 10:37am On Jan 03, 2021 |
michlins: Hmmm! _______ As I was reading this post, the project below came to mind. Steel structures are designed to specifications and not “as the spirit led.” I believe someone would be telling the design team “If all the trusses connect at a point... blah, blah...” I stick with my steel fabricator because he always ask for the engineering drawing for every small structures we are building. He’s on the team of the guys that built Obasanjo Tank Farm. Just in case anyone need references 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 10:57am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Amastermovic: We are working on that and I can assure you we have a special place for people like you on the platform which can only be accessed by premium subscribers. You’re such a big deal to us! 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gandkiss: 11:02am On Jan 03, 2021 |
Good morning house, can anyone tell me the type of wood below and if it's good for door frames @johntemmy
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 11:07am On Jan 03, 2021 |
InvertedHammer: I did something in 2011. I bought some electrical cables from UK and decided to use it on one of my project. It’s 10 years now and nothing has happened. 10 years ago, I was made to believe that electricity is different in Nigeria and you kinda need a transformer cable to wire your house. I even got some MCB and other stuffs but I didn’t use them all. The only way I maintain my sanity is asking my tradespeople to do the preliminary and the rough-in works while I do the finishing. The result has been awesome. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by EgunMogaji2: 11:09am On Jan 03, 2021 |
cuddling44: I’ve only used granite. You don’t need that much so the cost is negligible in the grand scheme of things. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Amastermovic(m): 11:22am On Jan 03, 2021 |
michlins: You made mention of the foundation, how do you calculate this load and transfer to the said foundation ? Wind is a major factor too. Reason same materials may not work is because of wind I will gve a brief lay example below.. If you build close to sea or open up area or hill where no winding breaking occurs at much such section may likely not work except for proper bracing compared to building such stand at Ikeja where its relatively developed or behind ur building.. The base plate, stiffeners, bolt ,welding even painting are all recommended. The reinforcements in the foundation how do you go about it? Do u know which is the main direction, do you know where to splice your section or how to connect back such. From your believe what engineer does is use same section change the wind pressure to see if it works and check the load against the Soil bearing capacity of same area Sir it work's u r good to go if it doesn't adjustment comes in and modification Sir. I will provide you with your next 3 project on this tank stand drawing free since I notice this is what most people want to contract your service for here.. You will make a good fabricator since you are technological inclined , https://www.nairaland.com/3522155/iron-tank-collapses-secondary-school 2 Likes
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kobocity: 12:06pm On Jan 03, 2021 |
EgunMogaji2: We still have a lot of things to tap from your wealth of experience. Thanks for all you do. You inspire us to do more. We will definitely do an expose on these markets and their offerings and possibly grant interview to the big players in the building materials market - not here - on kobocity.com ___________ Pic 1 - Modern Laser Cut Gate Design Weight - 600kg 6 Likes 5 Shares
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 12:24pm On Jan 03, 2021 |
edoman2016:Don't dis the man E wanna be like Boss Egunmogaji 4geting Egunmogaji built a bungalow ahahah 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Desanta(m): 12:27pm On Jan 03, 2021 |
Excuzeme: I fully agree with you. 4 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by michlins(m): 12:27pm On Jan 03, 2021 |
Amastermovic:what happened here is the weight of the tank was too heavy for the channels. If you check well, this stand fell under weight of the tank. If you check well, the foundation is still very solid but the channel fell under weight of the tank. About the foundation, the soil determines how deep and wide it needs to be. The foundation anywhere is required to be about 2ft wide and 4ft deep at least but nothing is permanent because the height and load of the tank isn't permanent. And yes tanks are usually positioned in a place where a house helps cushion the force of the wind and not leave it vulnerable. You need to also realize that my field of work is an area that isn't truly defined with rules as it is occupied currently by illiterates. But through experience,we have come to develop a model that works for each person. You will agree with me that with all the education the engineers have, they still build structures that collapse. Even with their established rules and regulations. You can rarely hear the news about collapsed tanks but you hear about buildings falling everyday. I'm willing to learn from you if you have any working model which I will have to add to my knowledge and improve on it. It's one of the biggest gains I have made from this thread and not just the jobs. I have been opened to more knowledge than what my colleagues have. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by cuddling44(f): 12:44pm On Jan 03, 2021 |
EgunMogaji2: Eseun sir 1 Like |
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