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Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by SlawG: 11:45pm On Nov 20, 2020
eviana3:



Except for when it pertains to you....? undecided
However, just by you acknowledging that, (which shows a strikingly humane side of you), clearly shows me that there's still that mustard seed of hope....for you in particular.
Hmmm....nevertheless, still praying....
Prayer is the master key, keep praying my dear.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:00am On Nov 21, 2020
Thanks for the grammar!
To a lay man like me once you don't believe in the existence of God you're an atheist! undecided



GodWrites:


An atheist is one who doesn't believe in the existence of God for lack of empirical evidence.

Someone who doesn't believe in the existence of God due to suffering, or perhaps hate toward God isn't regarded as an atheist, but a misotheist instead.

Please be guarded!
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by GodWrites: 5:23am On Nov 21, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for the grammar!
To a lay man like me once you don't believe in the existence of God you're an atheist! undecided




What is your reason for not believing in the existence of God? That will define your stance.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by DrLiveLogic(m): 7:21am On Nov 21, 2020
kingxsamz:


Once again, very poor attempt at trying to prove your god's existence. When you're ready let me know.

If you still don't see that I haven't and aren't trying to prove god's existence to you, then atheism is really tampering with your logical ability, bro. Though I think you get it but just trying to save face.
All I'm doing is to show you your logical fallacy and the hypocrisy of excusing yourself, because "no one has proved god to you yet". Well, no one has or can prove your emotions, and thoughts to you either and you relate with them everyday, so quit your double standard.

Again, "when I'm ready", LMAO! Sorry bro, it's no one's job to prove god to you. God gave each man everything he needs to relate with him. When you're ready, you will have to seek him to find him but as courtesy for when that time comes, let me offer that he won't be found in the physical plane for he is spirit and like your emotions, conscience etc., he will be realised simply by consciousness.
A good place to start would be asking, what steps can be taken for him to be realised by consciousness? Goodluck whenever you're ready.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by kingxsamz(m): 9:17am On Nov 21, 2020
DrLiveLogic:


If you still don't see that I haven't and aren't trying to prove god's existence to you, then atheism is really tampering with your logical ability, bro. Though I think you get it but just trying to save face.
All I'm doing is to show you your logical fallacy and the hypocrisy of excusing yourself, because "no one has proved god to you yet". Well, no one has or can prove your emotions, and thoughts to you either and you relate with them everyday, so quit your double standard.

Again, "when I'm ready", LMAO! Sorry bro, it's no one's job to prove god to you. God gave each man everything he needs to relate with him. When you're ready, you will have to seek him to find him but as courtesy for when that time comes, let me offer that he won't be found in the physical plane for he is spirit and like your emotions, conscience etc., he will be realised simply by consciousness.
A good place to start would be asking, what steps can be taken for him to be realised by consciousness? Goodluck whenever you're ready.

Yeah, that's why I have a deep connection with Santa Klaus. I relate with him daily. He's in my thoughts and he's as real as your god. cheesy
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by LordReed(m): 10:54am On Nov 21, 2020
eviana3:



Except for when it pertains to you....? undecided
However, just by you acknowledging that, (which shows a strikingly humane side of you), clearly shows me that there's still that mustard seed of hope....for you in particular.
Hmmm....nevertheless, still praying....

Yep the chance can be described as a mustard seed indeed. If I was going to assign a numerical value, I'd put it at 0.1%. The fact is the evidence you guys present does not lead me to conclude from the evidence alone that a god exists. If faith is the instrument then you can have faith in any of the numerous gods presented so I see no reason to.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:29am On Nov 21, 2020
God himself made us understand that there are atheists claiming believers {Psalms 14:1} note that they're saying "There is no God in their hearts" so what is the reason Israelites who witnessed God's active force in action still doubts God's existence?
That's why i say "the reason is immaterial, once you don't believe in the existence of God you're an atheist" undecided



GodWrites:

What is your reason for not believing in the existence of God? That will define your stance.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by GodWrites: 11:32am On Nov 21, 2020
MaxInDHouse post=96279661:
God himself made us understand that there are atheists claiming believers {Psalms 14:1}
note that they're saying "There is no God in their hearts" so what is the reason Israelites who witnessed God's active force in action doubt God's existence?
That's why i say "the reason is immaterial, once you don't believe in the existence of God you're an atheist" undecided




The bolded!

When did God made such known and what proof do you have of such a claim?

Secondly, why should I believe what your Bible said, especially when there are hundreds of other similar books?

What makes yours right?
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:42pm On Nov 21, 2020
I'm not asking you to believe in anything, since the book i believe (trust) say something i just told you my perception of the word "Atheist" based on what i read in the book i believe!

My God said "The foolish say in his heart there is no God" {Psalms 10:4, 14:1} meaning he may decide not to air his opinion but deep down in his heart it is boldly written "There is no God"

So while some utter it out billions keep it deep down in their hearts you can only observe in their actions! smiley






GodWrites:


The bolded!

When did God made such known and what proof do you have of such a claim?

Secondly, why should I believe what your Bible said, especially when there are hundreds of other similar books?

What makes yours right?
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by Nobody: 3:14pm On Nov 21, 2020
GodWrites:


The bolded!

When did God made such known and what proof do you have of such a claim?

Secondly, why should I believe what your Bible said, especially when there are hundreds of other similar books?

What makes yours right?
All religious books are baseless since it's impossible for NOTHING to exist or/and since ANYTHING can exist in infinite forms of which you don't have to imagine.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by Nobody: 2:21pm On Nov 22, 2020
GodWrites:


Of course it's impossible. If God really exist, who created him? This will lead us into infinite regress. Believing such fairytales is a mental illness.
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Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by johnw47: 12:18am On Nov 27, 2020
DrLiveLogic:


....

DrLiveLogic
do you know your last 4 posts have been deleted
may be a glitch with the forum bot

perhaps email the mods to fix the problem

near the bottom of the page below, you will see a link: Mail Supermods

https://www.nairaland.com/
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by DrLiveLogic(m): 8:11am On Nov 29, 2020
johnw47:



DrLiveLogic
do you know your last 4 posts have been deleted
may be a glitch with the forum bot

perhaps email the mods to fix the problem

near the bottom of the page below, you will see a link: Mail Supermods

https://www.nairaland.com/

Yes johnw47, thanks much. Don't think the mods respond to the mail though. Thought it was the links I posted so I removed them, then I noticed when I quoted blbmth, I got banned again.
The site bot's algorithm's got glitches and it looks like they're gonna do a thing 'bout it. I've been trying to post on Bingbagbo's "Father is greater than I" thread, the following reply to Blabbermouth's comment:
"I stopped wishing the day I realized I CAN ACTUALLY DO IT MYSELF."


My reply:
"C'mon man, except you got another bible, you can do no more about it than Janosky and MaxInDHouse who scampered into their holes for cover, along with all other JWs when I openly debated them on this. Btw, Zzor's a JW mole pretending to be else.

You asked for OT the last time, I gave you Psalm 102, (can't post the link cause they keep banning me but you can go back to it) and you still got guts to deny. Smh.
It clearly said "though his days were cut short on earth, it was an irony because he was the creator of the heavens and all, who would be the one to put an end to his own creation, not vice-versa", LMAO!

Again, explain this on the triune god. What does Paul mean by "the Lord is the Spirit", 2 Cor 3:17, when we also know they are actually distinct.

On your question on will. Y'all just need to read my GOAT movie thread and stop asking redundant questions like my shameless old man, Janosky.
If God put on flesh and blood, it meant he was really going to experience the sensations of flesh, duh!
His mind, knowing the unbearable, excruciating pain his weak flesh would endure obviously got bothered and wondered if there was a less painful way to execute his divine will, proving he really took on flesh and blood while Father in heaven didn't have a flesh and blood hence never considered such. The difference between both wills was simply flesh awhich had never been part of their divine being in the first place.
But regardless, you could see his real heart, revealing his ultimate will and desire, even in spite of the fear when he says: "Nevertheless..."

Old man Janosky, I see you shamelessly harassing Preciousgirl and others, parading questions from John's gospel and Revelation, which I answered and left you defenseless in knock-knee, last time, huh.
Now my dear grey- haired coward, LMAO, go back and answer my three questions still waiting for you, if you got nerve.
For those who wonder at his baseless questions, just read my G.O.A.T. movie thread, and you'll see how unreasonable they sound. Smh.
Janosky stop quoting scriptures about when Jesus assumes the offices of Son of Man and Son of God.
He was and is eternally the uncreated Logos before He came down to help men achieve their divine destiny by occupying those offices for man's sake.


Cc: Bingbagbo, chatinent

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Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by Nobody: 8:16am On Nov 29, 2020
DrLiveLogic:


Yes johnw47, thanks much. Don't think the mods respond to the mail though. Thought it was the links I posted so I removed them, then I noticed when I quoted blbmth, I got banned again.
The site bot's algorithm's got glitches and it looks like they're gonna do a thing 'bout it. I've been trying to post on Bingbagbo's "Father is greater than I" thread, the following reply to Blabbermouth's comment:
"I stopped wishing the day I realized I CAN ACTUALLY DO IT MYSELF."


My reply:


Cc: Bingbagbo, chatinent
hmm so you are still on this forum
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by Nobody: 8:17am On Nov 29, 2020
johnw47 my renowned fake wealthy pastor where have you been
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by johnw47: 8:35am On Nov 29, 2020
Zzor:
johnw47 my renowned fake wealthy pastor where have you been

oral and anal sex lover lie lie roseline
what you want fool

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.


Isa_3:24  And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a belt a rope; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a finne clothes a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by Nobody: 8:40am On Nov 29, 2020
johnw47:


oral and anal sex lover lie lie roseline
what you want fool

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.


Isa_3:24  And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a belt a rope; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a finne clothes a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.
This your usuals do crack me up truly, I wonder who's feeding you lies about me,fake wealthy pastor
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by johnw47: 8:49am On Nov 29, 2020
Zzor:
This your usuals do crack me up truly, I wonder who's feeding you lies about me,fake wealthy pastor

oral and anal sex lover lie lie roseline
do you want me to post the quotes yet again stinky

Isa_3:24  And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a belt a rope; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a finne clothes a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by Blabbermouth: 8:49am On Nov 29, 2020
DrLiveLogic:


Yes johnw47, thanks much. Don't think the mods respond to the mail though. Thought it was the links I posted so I removed them, then I noticed when I quoted blbmth, I got banned again.
The site bot's algorithm's got glitches and it looks like they're gonna do a thing 'bout it. I've been trying to post on Bingbagbo's "Father is greater than I" thread, the following reply to Blabbermouth's comment:
"I stopped wishing the day I realized I CAN ACTUALLY DO IT MYSELF."

My reply:

Cc: Bingbagbo, chatinent
Are you still getting banned baselessly by the bot?
If not, how about you create a thread [or better still, I will come in to your G.O.A.T movie thread] and we dig this truth?

Hahahahahahaha, I do hope you have the wisdom of God in you, you [and I] will be needing a lot.

PS: I don't see any mentions whenever you mention my name. If not for Zzor quoting you, I wouldn't have seen this at all.

I don't know if others also don't see your mention.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by DrLiveLogic(m): 8:56am On Nov 29, 2020
Blabbermouth:

Are you still getting banned baselessly by the bot?
If not, how about you create a thread [or better still, I will come in to your G.O.A.T movie thread] and we dig this truth?

Hahahahahahaha, I do hope you have the wisdom of God in you, you [and I] will be needing a lot.

PS: I don't see any mentions whenever you mention my name. If not for Zzor quoting you, I wouldn't have seen this at all.

I don't know if others also don't see your mention.

Yeah cause they were deleting the comments. Good idea then. Let's move over to my G.O.A.T. movie thread and trash it out.

Zzor:
hmm so you are still on this forum
Yes, miss JW mole, I am, just not often, LMAO!

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Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by Nobody: 11:08am On Nov 29, 2020
DrLiveLogic:


Yeah cause they were deleting the comments. Good idea then. Let's move over to my G.O.A.T. movie thread and trash it out.


Yes, miss JW mole, I am, just not often, LMAO!

you still think I'm a jw mole, I just love them but disagree with the blood transfusion doctrine
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by johnw47: 1:11am On Jan 08, 2021
DrLiveLogic:


Yes johnw47, thanks much.

DrLiveLogic
re some of your posts are being deleted

try this

when you want to divide a post up into a number of quotes
leave the first quote as is, for example: [quote author=johnw47 post=91211469]

and then with the following quotes, do the same but delete this part: post=91211469
they will be like this: [quote author=johnw47]
and don't forget to end each quote with: /quote in square brackets

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Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:52am On Jan 08, 2021
Do you know it's the way they treat JWs that interests me most? smiley

I never believed there could be real mafians who don't carry weapons not until i met JWs. They are the toughest kind of people i've ever met in all my years of military experience!

An Asian army captain once taught us that the greatest soldier is the one who conquers without the use of weapons.

Well he was referring to martial art but when i found JWs i marveled at their war strategy, no force, no weapons, no casualties and the most interesting is how their victims also becomes tough mafians like them.

No wonder a Roman Governor after studying how tough at heart their Master, Lord and King proved to be Pontius Pilate couldn't contain the amazement so he said with high regard for his stance and integrity ~ "LOOK THE MAN!" John 19:5

I've always been amongst the toughest so i must become a member of this group JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Please ask them to speak boldly about their Church if any is fit to bear the ill-treatment Jesus said his true followers will bear from unbelievers! John 17:14

God bless you my child! smiley


Zzor:
you still think I'm a jw mole, I just love them but disagree with the blood transfusion doctrine
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:09am On Jan 08, 2021
We have thousands of former ATHEISTS among us today because we don't just say "PEACE UNTO YOU" or "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF" we practice what we PREACH {Matthew 7:21-23} as we vow never to raise weapons against our fellowman, so neither racism nor politics can make us deny our love for fellowman not to talk of our brother in FAITH! James 2:18-26 smiley


EBeThings:
Can a believer ever convince an atheist that God truly exists.. cuz those folks will give you thousands reasons for them not to believe in God
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by johnw47: 5:31am On Jan 08, 2021
MaxInDHouse:


I've always been amongst the toughest so i must become a member of this group JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! smiley

oh duh puffed up false jw mad max

you mistake big mouthed self righteousness for toughness

Rev_21:8  But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by DrLiveLogic(m): 6:19am On Jan 10, 2021
johnw47:


DrLiveLogic
re some of your posts are being deleted

try this

when you want to divide a post up into a number of quotes
leave the first quote as is, for example:

Thank you very very much johnw47. Seems you and MuttleyLaff have noticed my predicament. I will try this next. God bless.

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Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by MuttleyLaff: 6:34am On Jan 10, 2021
DrLiveLogic:
Thank you very very much johnw47. Seems you and MuttleyLaff have noticed my predicament. I will try this next. God bless.

DrLiveLogic:
Thank you very very much johnw47. Seems you and MuttleyLaff have noticed my predicament. I will try this next. God bless.
Dont use the forum's default quote HTML tag to copy out the post you intend quoting, instead copy out the part or all the post you intend quoting, then enclose each or all with [quóte][ḃ]DrLiveLogic:[/ḃ] and [/quóte], just as shown in the examples pasted above and especially below, when you look at the way the modified quote HTML tag is used syntactically and especially with the [ḃ] and [/ḃ] bold tags, to create the impression of the forum's default quote HTML tag, lmso

The difference with the two above and/or below, is that:
1/ With the first example, it has a default forum quote HTML tag and it will link you back to the post quoted, if clicked upon
2/ With the second example, it has a workaround slash modified quote HTML tag, that will not link you back to the post quoted, if clicked upon, lmso, but at least you can quote without facing the wrath of the bot, lmso

Make note of the long red pointing arrow, showing how to syntax and modify the second example (i.e. the one, in red square) in comparison, to the one above it, that gets censored or hidden from view

Type [quóte][ḃ]DrLiveLogic:[/ḃ], copy the content you want to quote, dropping it, with no space, directly under [quóte][ḃ]DrLiveLogic:[/ḃ], then finish with, closing the effort with [/quóte].

Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by DrLiveLogic(m): 10:27am On Jan 11, 2021
johnw47: ...aaa bbb...
MuttleyLaff: ...aaa bbb...
....a b c
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by DrLiveLogic(m): 10:29am On Jan 11, 2021
johnw47: ...aaa bbb...

MuttleyLaff:
...aaa bbb...

MaxInDHouse, @ "I appear to be too hasty... yap, yap, yap",
Oh please just quit if you can't help a soul. I did exactly what they said just so you know. Next, you'll be telling me it's because I haven't joined the only true messengers of Jehovah, who bear the real fruit is why I keep getting banned, LMAO!
But all the same happy new year to you, LMAO!.

MuttleyLaff, thanks a lot. Actually I think I just realized my initial suspicions are true too. Sure yours and johnw47 suggestions might work ordinarily but in my case I think I the bot keeps banning me because I repeat the same words from an already clamped post though I modify the post one way or another like I actually did in my last clamped post with your suggestions as demonstrated in quoting your monikers above and in the post above.

I think the bot's algorithm stores any such clamped posts in its bank as spam and will save the words so if I keep repeating 90% of those words in the same structure, even if changing a few words, which I've been doing everytime I got banned, or even moving the post to another thread, or staying off the platform for while hoping the bot would clear it's bank or modifying the format of the post any other way while still retaining most of the sentences, the bot can still identify the same sentences and clamp again.

It's a very lame, lousy and lazily written algorithm by the developers for spam control. Wonder if admins can be made aware.

I just have to abandon my duel with blabbermouth, which I brought over to his HS thread, because I can't start typing another long post like that (would be my third) of different words till maybe some other time.
Happy new year to you all.

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Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by DrLiveLogic(m): 10:31am On Jan 11, 2021
MuttleyLaff:


Dont use the forum's default quote HTML tag to copy out the post you intend quoting, instead copy out the part or all the post you intend quoting, then enclose each or all with [quóte][ḃ]DrLiveLogic:[/ḃ] and [/quóte], just as shown in the examples pasted above and especially below, when you look at the way the modified quote HTML tag is used syntactically and especially with the [ḃ] and [/ḃ] bold tags, to create the impression of the forum's default quote HTML tag, lmso

The difference with the two above and/or below, is that:
1/ With the first example, it has a default forum quote HTML tag and it will link you back to the post quoted, if clicked upon
2/ With the second example, it has a workaround slash modified quote HTML tag, that will not link you back to the post quoted, if clicked upon, lmso, but at least you can quote without facing the wrath of the bot, lmso

Make note of the long red pointing arrow, showing how the syntax and modified the second example is to the one above it.

Type [quóte][ḃ]DrLiveLogic:[/ḃ], copy the content you want to quote, dropping it, with no space, directly under [quóte][ḃ]DrLiveLogic:[/ḃ], then finish with, closing the effort with [/quóte].

Checking...

So I think this proves it's not always about the default html. What do you think?
Re: Can A Believer Ever Convince An Atheist by MuttleyLaff: 10:32am On Jan 11, 2021
johnw47:
...aaa bbb...

MuttleyLaff:
...aaa bbb...

DrLiveLogic:
....a b c
...aaa bbb..., ...aaa bbb..., a, b, c, testing, testing, testing lmso, is the beginning of wisdom, lmso

DrLiveLogic:
Checking...
So I think this proves it's not always about the default html. What do you think?
Yeah, when you quote a post is already within the sight of the bot, it's algorithm will automatically hide your submitted post and withdraw your posting privilege(s)

PS: There is a particular gif, if used, will earn you a ban and your post hidden. If you quote the post with that gif too, you'll automatically get banned and your post censored

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