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Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Aconomist: 7:57pm On Jan 10, 2021
With all the money Dangote, Chagoury Group, and Julius Berger have looted from Nigeria, why aren't these domestic companies capable of contracting rail projects that can be paid for by naira? Why must we always use Chinese companies that will demand dollars to drain forex and saddle the nation with debt?

What is so hard about building a rail road anyways -- that it should cost multiple billions of dollars? Most tracks here in the U.S. are made with wood!

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Golan007: 8:01pm On Jan 10, 2021
Why don't we make own microchips, Jeans, vessels, aeroplanes, wristwatches?


For years and years, we've failed to construct and maintain a nationwide rail system.

When we begin to make progress, we begin to ask questions with ulterior motives.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Aconomist: 8:02pm On Jan 10, 2021
Golan007:
Why don't we make own microchips, Jeans, vessels, aeroplanes, wristwatches?


For years and years, we've failed to construct and maintain a nationwide rail system.

When we begin to make progress, we begin to ask questions with ulterior motives.
We have cement companies in Nigeria: Dangote. We have civil engineering companies: Julius Berger/Chagoury.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Golan007: 8:07pm On Jan 10, 2021
Aconomist:
We have cement companies in Nigeria: Dangote. We have civil engineering companies: Julius Berger/Chagoury.

And we have been producing steel for generations.
Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 8:13pm On Jan 10, 2021
When we start teaching our own local technology in our schools and Universities on how to improve on our own technology which will allow for our own industrial revolution and will make us to be self sufficient. We have the same knowledge too which we need to develop. Check this video of making iron with 100% local African materials.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFsoXPRQnbg

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Aconomist: 9:09pm On Jan 10, 2021
ThePlainTruth:
When we start teaching our own local technology in our schools and Universities on how to improve on our own technology which will allow for our own industrial revolution and will make us to be self sufficient. We have the same knowledge too which we need to develop. Check this video of making iron with 100% local African materials.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd4k6lb3O4E
Best video I've seen so far in 2021. Manufacturing like this requires ZERO forex. All the raw materials, labor and machinery is found domestically. That means the price of the item won't rise if the naira is devalued.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 9:10pm On Jan 10, 2021
because we dont have the money.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Aconomist: 9:12pm On Jan 10, 2021
10minutes:
because we dont have the money.
monkey. Nigeria has plenty of money.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by rossoki: 9:19pm On Jan 10, 2021
Aconomist:
... Nigeria has plenty of money.

US Annual budget - 7.6 trillion dollars.

Nigeria Annual budget - 35 billion dollars.

''Plenty of money'' indeed.

Ignorant dunce.

You lack even basic knowledge of the budget and finances vis-a-vis other nations, yet you are telling us 'what we must do' in Nigeria.

Only on nairaland.

Meanwhile, California is planning to build a railway line from LA to San Fransisco at the cost of 98 billion dollars. Ask them if they're planning to use WOOD to build it like their 18th century forbears?

https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-5-biggest-us-infrastructure-projects-plus-5-at-risk.html

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Aconomist: 9:26pm On Jan 10, 2021
rossoki:


US Annual budget - 7.6 trillion dollars.

Nigeria Annual budget - 35 billion dollars.

''Plenty of money'' indeed.

Ignorant dunce.

You lack even basic knowledge of the budget and finances vis-a-vis other nations, yet you are telling us 'what we must do' in Nigeria.

Only on nairaland.
$35 billion annually is more enough to get Nigeria on the right track. And with a GDP of around $400 billion, Nigeria should be able to raise $80 billion annually if we had a 20% tax rate. Lack of money isn't the problem. The problem is a low tax to GDP and bad spending decisions.

According to former central bank governor Sanusi, the government spends 20% of its budget on the national assembly. The remaining 80% is spent on salaries and other sundry nonsense. That's why we must borrow for infrastructure.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 9:30pm On Jan 10, 2021
Aconomist:
monkey. Nigeria has plenty of money.

go to school you say no..... i am guessing u are igbo ? why is it that u guys behave like u have sense but still don't?




the u.s spend 1trillion dollars on their military can you spend this much?

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Aconomist: 9:37pm On Jan 10, 2021
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go to school you say no..... i am guessing u are igbo ? why is it that u guys behave like u have sense but still don't?

the u.s spend 1trillion dollars on their military can you spend this much?

Nigeria pays senators $35,000 a month (along with free luxury cars, etc.) , compared to the U.S who pays senators $16,000 a month which comes down to $7,000 after tax. But you want to complain about lack of money? I have never seen such a hopeless nation of educated illiterates. If a meteor strikes this earth, may it land on Nigeria -- specifically lagos, so it can eliminate the highest number of suffering and smiling Nigerian monkeys.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43516825

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by rossoki: 9:39pm On Jan 10, 2021
Aconomist:
$35 billion annually is more enough to get Nigeria on the right track. And with a GDP of around $400 billion, Nigeria should be able to raise $80 billion annually if we had a 20% tax rate. Lack of money isn't the problem. The problem is a low tax to GDP and bad spending decisions.

According to former central bank governor Sanusi, the government spends 20% of its budget on the national assembly. The remaining 80% is spent on salaries and other sundry nonsense. That's why we must borrow for infrastructure.

Sanusi LIED when he made that claim. It was a BIG FAT LIE. Plus salaries are not ''sundry nonsense''. Civil servants must be paid for going to work.

It's easy to propose a ''20% tax rate'' on the 400 billion dollar annual GDP. Good luck enforcing that in a country where 3/4ths of businesses are unregistered, informal mom and pop shops with no accounting or business bank accounts.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by rossoki: 9:44pm On Jan 10, 2021
Aconomist:


Nigeria pays senators $35,000 a month (along with free luxury cars, etc.) , compared to the U.S who pays senators $16,000 a month. But you want to complain about lack of money? I have never seen such a hopeless nation of educated illiterates. If a meteor strikes this earth, may it land on Nigeria -- specifically lagos, so it can eliminate the highest number of suffering and smiling Nigerian monkeys.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43516825

CALL YOUR PROSTITUTE MOTHER A ''MONKEY'' YOU SATANIC BASTARD.

IF YOU CANNOT CONTRIBUTE WITHOUT MAKING RACIAL INSULTS AGAINST AFRICANS, YOU ARE A SICK MAGGOT AND NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS FORUM.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 9:54pm On Jan 10, 2021
Aconomist:


Nigeria pays senators $35,000 a month (along with free luxury cars, etc.) , compared to the U.S who pays senators $16,000 a month which comes down to $7,000 after tax. But you want to complain about lack of money? I have never seen such a hopeless nation of educated illiterates. If a meteor strikes this earth, may it land on Nigeria -- specifically lagos, so it can eliminate the highest number of suffering and smiling Nigerian monkeys.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43516825
"I am the only one that went to school and i know everything"

- the average igbo.

" I have never seen a country" but research didnt teach u only u.s and china can build 70percent of the tech they use.

you didnt answer my question


So your research didn't teach you only china and u.s can build 70 percent of their tech without external help?

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 9:56pm On Jan 10, 2021
Aconomist:
Best video I've seen so far in 2021. Manufacturing like this requires ZERO forex. All the raw materials, labor and machinery is found domestically. That means the price of the item won't rise if the naira is devalued.

Imagine the billions that have been wasted on Aladja steel when we could have produced our own steel locally with 100% local materials and labour.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Aconomist: 10:00pm On Jan 10, 2021
rossoki:


Sanusi LIED when he made that claim. It was a BIG FAT LIE. Plus salaries are not ''sundry nonsense''. Civil servants must be paid for going to work.

It's easy to propose a ''20% tax rate'' on the 400 billion dollar annual GDP. Good luck enforcing that in a country where 3/4ths of businesses are unregistered, informal mom and pop shops with no accounting or business bank accounts.


Forget 20%, let's start with 10%. Because right now, we are only at 6%, which is lower than Afghanistan. Even common Ghana has a tax to GDP ratio of 14% --Rwanda has 16.7%, and Kenya has 18.2%. Are they not Africans? But here you are making excuses for why Nigeria is only 6%.

And corporate tax is not the only way to generate revenue. We should increase property taxes, VAT taxes, tax government organizations and parastatals, luxury tax on plane tickets, stop giving tax breaks and incentives to criminals like Dangote, etc. It is better to increase tax revenue than to take foreign loans that will drain forex and debase the currency.

As for the salaries, 90% of that goes to Oga on top. The common civil servants are lucky to even get their pathetic 30,000 monthly -- which is the same money I make in a single hour working in the U.S.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by vanunu: 10:04pm On Jan 10, 2021
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go to school you say no..... i am guessing u are igbo ? why is it that u guys behave like u have sense but still don't?




the u.s spend 1trillion dollars on their military can you spend this much?


You are a big fooool, inferiority complex will kill you.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 10:56pm On Jan 10, 2021
More on African's 100% local Iron industry, our schools and universities should start teaching our own local technologies so that we can improve on them and have our own industrial revolution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd4k6lb3O4E

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by fykes(m): 11:37pm On Jan 10, 2021
Sfor me the main question is why are we building rails now?
In 2020 we are talking of rails and mouthing off industrialization and agric reforms.

Why aren't we using the borrowed dollars to promote industrialization as a state policy? Becos I know China wants to export their machines also.
With a rapidly growing population, inflation rate and unemployment, our so called leaders are just extremely wicked to be building rails with loans instead of pursuing effective industrial ization and boosting micro economy by encouraging trade and internal spending.

Men..ivy league schooling doesn't equate to ethical behaviours I swear
Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 1:50am On Jan 11, 2021
vanunu:



You are a big fooool, inferiority complex will kill you.

ieven india gets help from south korea, japan, china and u.s to help build her infrastructures.

Nigeria has been arising and will soon get there but for now we need their help.
to wonder your region is so undeveloped.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by chrisblack: 7:41am On Jan 11, 2021
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because we dont have the money.
Not true. We lack grumption. Ajaokuta steel industries as the ability to provide Nigeria with as many railway tracks steel needed.
The aluminum smelting industry in akwa ibom as enough material to provide for the making of the coaches.
We have enough mountains and rock to provide the gravels needed.
We have dangote and lafarge to provide the cement.
The most important ingredient need is we have the greedy politicians and clueless leadership to ensure that all above does not work for selfish gains

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by chrisblack: 7:45am On Jan 11, 2021
rossoki:


US Annual budget - 7.6 trillion dollars.

Nigeria Annual budget - 35 billion dollars.

''Plenty of money'' indeed.

Ignorant dunce.

You lack even basic knowledge of the budget and finances vis-a-vis other nations, yet you are telling us 'what we must do' in Nigeria.

Only on nairaland.

Meanwhile, California is planning to build a railway line from LA to San Fransisco at the cost of 98 billion dollars. Ask them if they're planning to use WOOD to build it like their 18th century forbears?

https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-5-biggest-us-infrastructure-projects-plus-5-at-risk.html
your talk is not reasonable
Amount of money spend on a thing is relative. You can choose to go spend your money on rolls-royce of trains while I choose to spend mine on Toyota of trains. Americans spend much on infrastructure yet they don't have speed-bullet trains like the Chinese.Many of the American train system is outdated.
With little amount you can still achieve much
The problem is everything thing need for train development is already available in Nigeria.
We choose not to develop them.
The money spent on the railway tracks could have been use to revive ajaokuta.which in turn would produce the steel needed for the tracks. There is a company in South Africa that makes coaches.which would have been willing to bring it's expertt to Nigeria and setup. Even the NRC has local capacity to build coaches.its not rocket science.
We are a stuip bunch of people.always importing what we have

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by rossoki: 8:00am On Jan 11, 2021
chrisblack:
your talk is not reasonable
Amount of money spend on a thing is relative. You can choose to go spend your money on rolls-royce of trains while I choose to spend mine on Toyota of trains. Americans spend much on infrastructure yet they don't have speed-bullet trains like the Chinese.Many of the American train system is outdated.
With little amount you can still achieve much
The problem is everything thing need for train development is already available in Nigeria.
We choose not to develop them.
The money spent on the railway tracks could have been use to revive ajaokuta.which in turn would produce the steel needed for the tracks. There is a company in South Africa that makes coaches.which would have been willing to bring it's expertt to Nigeria and setup. Even the NRC has local capacity to build coaches.its not rocket science.
We are a stuip bunch of people.always importing what we have

You would be surprised that the cost of reviving Ajaokuta and using its steel, and then getting a South African firm to supply coaches would be TWICE or even THRICE higher than that China solution.

I've personally tried to use South African firms to supply certain machinery etc, but dropped them after discovering they were charging nearly double of what the Chinese were charging, including shipping.

China has achieved what we call Economies of Scale in manufacturing and civil engineering and construction. They can do many things for a very low price, and that is why countries all over the world, not just Nigeria, are attracted to Chinese solutions.

In any case the Chinese are building a massive railway manufacturing plant in Ogun state that will employ over 5,000 Nigerians, so it's not as if we're not looking to be self-sufficient down the line.

Chinese firm to build first rolling stock assembly plant in Nigeria
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-11/10/c_138543820.htm

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 8:12am On Jan 11, 2021
Aconomist:


Nigeria pays senators $35,000 a month (along with free luxury cars, etc.) , compared to the U.S who pays senators $16,000 a month which comes down to $7,000 after tax. But you want to complain about lack of money? I have never seen such a hopeless nation of educated illiterates. If a meteor strikes this earth, may it land on Nigeria -- specifically lagos, so it can eliminate the highest number of suffering and smiling Nigerian monkeys.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43516825
You're a very big idiot boy!

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 8:13am On Jan 11, 2021
Aconomist:


Nigeria pays senators $35,000 a month (along with free luxury cars, etc.) , compared to the U.S who pays senators $16,000 a month which comes down to $7,000 after tax. But you want to complain about lack of money? I have never seen such a hopeless nation of educated illiterates. If a meteor strikes this earth, may it land on Nigeria -- specifically lagos, so it can eliminate the highest number of suffering and smiling Nigerian monkeys.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43516825
Mynd44, seun, lalastical this boy needs to be ban.

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Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by Nobody: 9:07am On Jan 11, 2021
rossoki:


You would be surprised that the cost of reviving Ajaokuta and using its steel, and then getting a South African firm to supply coaches would be TWICE or even THRICE higher than that China solution.

I've personally tried to use South African firms to supply certain machinery etc, but dropped them after discovering they were charging nearly double of what the Chinese were charging, including shipping.

China has achieved what we call Economies of Scale in manufacturing and civil engineering and construction. They can do many things for a very low price, and that is why countries all over the world, not just Nigeria, are attracted to Chinese solutions.

In any case the Chinese are building a massive railway manufacturing plant in Ogun state that will employ over 5,000 Nigerians, so it's not as if we're not looking to be self-sufficient down the line.

Chinese firm to build first rolling stock assembly plant in Nigeria
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-11/10/c_138543820.htm

Quality doesn't come cheap
Re: Why Can't Domestic Companies Construct Rails In Nigeria? by rossoki: 9:46am On Jan 11, 2021
Austine1213:


Quality doesn't come cheap

Perhaps. But a good corporate strategy must emphasize affordability at least as much as quality, if targeting emerging markets in Africa. SA firms need to adapt to Africa and quit acting like they're in Europe.

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