KNOWMORE56:



The Son bears witness of the Father and the Father bears witness of the Son.

The Son is the Father's witness and the Father is the Son's witness...

and the Son = the Father, therefore, the Son is correct when He says He bears witness of Himself...

*. John 8:18 "
KJV:I am one that BEAR WITNESS OF MYSELF, and the FATHER that sent me BEARETH WITNESS OF ME."

DappaD:


Nice write-up I must commend you but you didn't still show me where Jesus said he was God or where this ‘Trinity’ is located in the Bible yet?



I do not really understand why trinitarians like hovering over inconsequential details.
@John chapter 8, Jesus Christ and the Pharisees were having a little feud over who really was doing the will of God(John 8:41)
Now why would they be having this discussion if Jesus was already God?
Jesus said those words to prove that he had existed before Abraham, not that he was God. John 8:58, Revelation 3:14
After all, angel Gabriel and the rest of the angels in heaven will also say the same thing that they existed before Abraham and they would be correct because they were present when the earth was being created. Job 38:7



The Scriptures give quite a number of definitions to the meaning of “heavens”. Genesis 1:8, Deuteronomy 26:15, Ephesians 6:12
I am not new to this sir.

I like to read NKJV....in Genesis 1:8...the letter H is in capitals.

Do you also know that “earth” has more than one meaning?



Read Acts 2:29,34 from your Bible please. The aforementioned people died, and returned to the dust of the ground. Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 3:20

Ps.146.4 - His spirit departs, he returns to his earth; In that very day his plans perish.

Where does the bolded above go to?

Eccl.3.21 - Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?


None of them are qualified for heavenly life so they will remain in the dust until the day of resurrection. Acts 24:15


Matt.27.52 - and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt.27.53 - and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

In the above where did the raised bodies of the saints go?

After all, Isaiah 26:19 said that those who will be resurrected in the future in earth are “residents in the dust” or those who “dwell in the dust” would be resurrected. Compare John 5:28,29

DappaD:


Nice write-up I must commend you but you didn't still show me where Jesus said he was God or where this ‘Trinity’ is located in the Bible yet?



I do not really understand why trinitarians like hovering over inconsequential details.
@John chapter 8, Jesus Christ and the Pharisees were having a little feud over who really was doing the will of God(John 8:41)
Now why would they be having this discussion if Jesus was already God?
Jesus said those words to prove that he had existed before Abraham, not that he was God. John 8:58, Revelation 3:14
After all, angel Gabriel and the rest of the angels in heaven will also say the same thing that they existed before Abraham and they would be correct because they were present when the earth was being created. Job 38:7



The Scriptures give quite a number of definitions to the meaning of “heavens”. Genesis 1:8, Deuteronomy 26:15, Ephesians 6:12
I am not new to this sir.

Do you also know that “earth” has more than one meaning?



Read Acts 2:29,34 from your Bible please. The aforementioned people died, and returned to the dust of the ground. Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 3:20
None of them are qualified for heavenly life so they will remain in the dust until the day of resurrection. Acts 24:15
After all, Isaiah 26:19 said that those who will be resurrected in the future in earth are “residents in the dust” or those who “dwell in the dust” would be resurrected. Compare John 5:28,29

bixton:

Ps.146.4 - His spirit departs, he returns to his earth; In that very day his plans perish.
Where does the bolded above go to?

Eccl.3.21 - Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?

Matt.27.52 - and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
Matt.27.53 - and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
In the above where did the raised bodies of the saints go?

Luke.23.40 - But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, "Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation?
Luke.23.42 - Then he said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom."Luke.23.43 - And Jesus said to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise
What does the bolded mean? Remember this happened prior to His death and resurrection.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm still expecting your response to my mail!

Janosky:


Bros, you are entitled to your opinion, thanks !
In your opinion, my belief "Jesus is NOT God Almighty is wrong, but you are here telling Janosky to continue preaching "Jesus Christ is the son of God" .
Can't you see your contradiction?

Your God is a servant of whom?

bixton:



Please point to where the contradiction lies......
God Almighty....noted.
The opinion that gets entitled is that which corresponds to the word of God.
A son cannot be a servant of his father except he is illegitimate.
Matt.3.17 - And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

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If the Father referred to Jesus as His son and not his servant who am I to say differently.

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We should try to understand the context of words as used in the Scripture.
Thanks.
God's blessing.

DappaD:


According to Genesis 2:7, man doesn't have a soul, rather he is a soul with the breath of life in his nostrils. This ‘spirit’ simply refers to the breath of life. Compare Job 27:3 KJV
So at one's death, he himself returns to the dust of the earth while his breath of life returns to God. Ecclesiastes 12:7



If the ‘spirit’ in humans is a person then what about the animals in that verse? Do they also have personal spirits when they die? Of course not. The animals, along with humans all have the same force that makes them to be breathing creatures(souls). Compare Genesis 7:22



That Bible passage wasn't talking about the resurrection. Immediately Jesus let up his breath and expired, an earthquake occurred to prove that the man whom they had just murdered had divine backing. Matthew 27:54
The earthquake was so powerful that it tore through the crags of the burial sites/tombs and so passers-by saw that the earthquake revealed the newly buried corpses and when they entered into Jerusalem, they reported what they saw to others.
If it was really resurrection that occurred, then the other Gospels should have also noted it but no, resurrection was something to occur in the future. 1Thessalonians 4:16, Revelation 20:12





The Jewish criminal by the side of Jesus must have heard upbuilding reports about the man(Jesus) who was impaled next to him so since he observed the Jews clamouring for the death of such a righteous man, he knew that genuine prophets of God had faced a similar fate. Matthew 23:35, Mark 6:4

That spurred him to put faith in Jesus and he made a request to Jesus to remember him in his Kingdom but Jesus corrected the notion he had and promised that he would be favourably remembered and resurrected on Paradise earth.
So Jesus didn't hold out the same promise to this man that he had made to his disciples earlier about being kings and judges in God's Kingdom. Matthew 19:28, Luke 12:32, John 14:1-3

Why do we say so?

About 3years earlier, when Jesus met with Nicodemus, he explained that one must first be born-again i.e. baptized in water and[b] chosen by holy spirit as an adopted son of God[/b] before such a person can rule in God's Kingdom. John 3:3-6

So I don't misunderstand you...
Can you please explain the bold "chosen by the holy spirit".........


The person would then be brought into a covenant(agreement) with God for a kingdom. (Luke 22:28-30, Revelation 1:6) provided he remains faithful til death. 2Peter 1:10



I guess you are referring to the existing convenant He promised man that He will bring to fulfillment in his life as long as he remains faithful.

The man at his side hadn't gone through any of these processes so he's not qualified for heavenly life, rather he'll be resurrected in the future as an unrighteous person alongside billions of other humans. Acts 24:15, Revelation 20:12

DappaD:


I’m sorry but the highlighted is in error, Sir.
Go and read Acts 3:13 from the ASV, NKJV, NIV, ESV, NASB and Amplified translations. Any one you choose but drop the KJV first.
Jesus is and will forever be the servant of the Almighty God. Compare Isaiah 42:1, Matthew 12:18, 1Corinthians 15:28

bixton:


Noted.

Is there any difference between a servant and a son? If there is kindly explain.
Thanks.

bixton:


Noted.
Is there any difference between a servant and a son? If there is kindly explain.
Thanks.

bixton:





Please point to where the contradiction lies......

God Almighty....noted.
The opinion that gets entitled is that which corresponds to the word of God.

A son cannot be a servant of his father except he is illegitimate.

Matt.3.17 - And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

If the Father referred to Jesus as His son and not his servant who am I to say differently.

We should try to understand the context of words as used in the Scripture.

Thanks.
God's blessing.

bixton:


I disagree with the bolded above.
But please do well to read 1 Corinthians 15:1-54
1Cor.15.42 - So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.

Janosky:

Jesus is not Almighty God.. in your opinion, wrong.
Jesus is son of God, right.
God Almighty is son of God... Contradiction..

The contradiction occurred because you gave an interpretation of what I did not say

And I do not think I did a typo error.

Your argument is Jesus is not God.

To emphasize your point you said Jesus is not the Almighty God.

Such is used for our understanding since the original language needed to be interpreted into english.

The names of God:

YHWH.
El.
Eloah.
Elohim.
Elohai.
El Shaddai.
Tzevaot.
Jah.

It is from this Hebrew words that we get our translation into english.



God is God. The God Almighty. The LORD GOD Almighty. The LORD GOD. The Alpha and Omega.
The I AM. The Lord of hosts.



Acts 3:13.. the same Greek word means "son/servant". Yes a word can have 2 meaning but depending on the context of the sentence it finds itself. It cannot never be interchanged in the same sentence.

servant
Παῖδα (Paida)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3816: Perhaps from paio; a boy, or, a girl, and a child; specially, a slave or servant

Matthew 12:15-18. Isaiah 42:1.. Jesus Christ is Jehovah's Servant.

bixton:

bixton:

I understand your views and it will be hard to even reason with you. Many a times we have been given wrong interpretation towards certain portions of the Scriptures and we tend to use certain words which are not not even written as God's word or having a scriptural backing.

The contradiction occurred because you gave an interpretation of what I did not say"

DappaD:

Brother, is your email the one that begins with babs... or another? Well what I wanted to address wasn’t anything that serious.

Janosky:


The Father bear witness of His son, you dey learn anything in that statement?
You done forget you say Jesus his son is your Jehovah?

KNOWMORE56:

I still maintain it even in this post you are replying...
If the Son = the Father, and the Father= Jehovah, then, the Son is = Jehovah✓

MaxInDHouse:
People outside can SEE the benefits of your teaching in the midst of the adherents jare {James 2:18-26} don't mind that Janosky man.
Those adhering to what you're saying are shining light of the world and people can see the light globally {Matthew 5:13-16} please remind me of the unique group name they bear out there!

DappaD:


Please according to Acts 24:15 [NIV, NET] , where would the unrighteous/wicked be resurrected to?


Apostle Paul was addressing the resurrection of those who would be going to heaven(Philippians 3:21)and according to the Bible, it would be a “little flock” of anointed Christians numbering into a 144,000 total. Luke 12:32 see Revelation 14:1-5 also.
Those who are in this category partake in what the Bible calls the “first resurrection”.
Please read Revelation 20:4-6 see Philippians 3:11 also.

Revelation 20:12-14 indicates that there would other kinds of resurrection which will take place on earth.

DappaD:


Please according to Acts 24:15 [NIV, NET] , where would the unrighteous/wicked be resurrected to?


Apostle Paul was addressing the resurrection of those who would be going to heaven(Philippians 3:21)and according to the Bible, it would be a “little flock” of anointed Christians numbering into a 144,000 total. Luke 12:32 see Revelation 14:1-5 also.
Those who are in this category partake in what the Bible calls the “first resurrection”.
Please read Revelation 20:4-6 see Philippians 3:11 also.

Revelation 20:12-14 indicates that there would other kinds of resurrection which will take place on earth.

KNOWMORE56:


I still maintain it even in this post you are replying...

If the Son = the Father, and the Father= Jehovah, then, the Son is = Jehovah✓

Janosky:

John 17:3, & John 20:17 Jesus Christ say na Fake theory

KNOWMORE56:

In Luke 12: 32 "KJV:Fear not, LITTLE FLOCK; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."No other explanations is given to it in the Word, but watch tower have continued to force some explanations to it...If you can be of help, can you point out the part of the verse that says only 144,000 are going to heaven? No emotions please.LITTLE FLOCK compare it with LITTLE CHILDREN, their usage in the Word is different from what the watch tower devotees are making out of it.
My own opinion!

KNOWMORE56:


Born again (John 3:3,7; 1 Peter 1:23) = born of God ( 1 John 5:18) = born of the Spirit ( John 3:v8)= new life in Christ( Romans 4:6)
If you are not born of God then you are born of the devil ( this is my understanding of 1 John 3:7- 10)

DappaD:


Do you think that this teaching of a “little flock” and “144,000 bought from the earth” started with the New Testament?

No. In fact, the vision that Daniel saw in the chapter 7 of his book sheds light on this long before Jesus made that statement in Luke 12:32.
So Jesus was saying that his apostles and others would be given a Kingdom and he was only reiterating and expatiating more on Daniel 7:27

The JPS Tanakh(directly translated from the Masoretic text) puts Daniel 7:27 this way:

“And the kingdom and the dominion, and the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High; their kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey them.'

This tallies with Jesus' statement at Luke 12:32(NASB)
“Do not be afraid, little flock[144,000 holy ones], because your Father has chosen to give you the kingdom.”

It also tallies with the vision given to John at Revelation 7:1-8.
The highlight of the matter is that a few(144,000) would be given the Kingdom to be kings, judges and priests over the earth. Revelation 20:6

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If every righteous person is to be in heaven, why does Hebrews 2:5(Amplified) mention a coming inhabited earth? Why does Revelation 5:10 says that some would rule over the earth?
The Bible is clear that the earth is mankind's home forever and countless billions doing God's will are going to inhabit and live forever on it. Psalm 37:29, Isaiah 45:18

Most of you just feel like the accurate knowledge isn't necessary. You just want to run to heaven but you have zero idea about the assignment of those going there entails.

KNOWMORE56:

From the Word, THE UNIQUE GROUP NAME is
CHILDREN OF GOD and what qualifies them is that
THEY NOLONGER COMMIT SIN:
*. 1 John 3:10 "
KJV:Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
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KJV:He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
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KJV:Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
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KJV:In this THE CHILDREN OF GOD are manifest, and the children of the devil: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, neither he that loveth not his brother."

they are scattered all over the groups... but they maintain the same lifestyle despite their different earthly group


No group on Earth can have all it members in the kingdom

KNOWMORE56:

One of the things that is so clear to me from the word is the word WHOEVER as found in many places in the Word...In my own understanding of Daniel 7:27
"KJV:And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."Jesus and the raptured saints will come to the earth physically and take rulership from the world president ( the anti-christ)and they will rule for 1,000 years "
and all dominions shall serve and obey him/them."After the Great White Throne Judgement, all the people who belong to God shall be in the same place, enjoying the same thing... revelation 21:1-8*. Verse 3 "KJV:And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and GOD HIMSELF SHALL BEα WITH THEM, and BE THEIR GOD."

DappaD:


Yes that is your own understanding. Being “born again” is not a criteria for salvation as Jesus explained at John 3:16. Exercising faith in Jesus Christ is a choice that one has to make after taking in accurate knowledge of God and his Son. John 17:3

However, to be “born again” or “born from above” is not a choice one makes by himself. He has to be invited and chosen by God. Matthew 22:14, John 1:11,12

Mr KNOWMORE56, please did you have any say/choice when you were to be conceived and born as a human being? If you didn’t, what makes you think being ‘born from God’ or ‘born from above’ is a choice that one can make willy-nilly?

MaxInDHouse:
YES it is!