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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:11pm On Jan 12
The figure symbolises a limited number and the tribes mentioned are not literal Sir!

First of all crosscheck the list of the names of Jacob's 12 sons @ Exodus 1:2-6 and try to correlate with what you have @ Revelations 7:5-8, you'll discover that what was revealed to John is not the literal 12 sons of Israel but spiritual Israel Sir!

I'll explain further after you're through with that! smiley


KNOWMORE56:

The Word shows that the 12 apostles are all Jews, from Galilee to be precise. Acts 1:11.
It also shows that the 144,000 are all Jews from 12 tribes of Israel, sealed during the great tribulation, revelation 7:1-9
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:12pm On Jan 12
He's been consistent with questions so let's teach him, who knows! undecided


DappaD:


Na today this one start? Sheybi you said rottenna.ija is doing the work of the Lord na? grin
Why not go and focus your attention on him?
Your obsequiousness towards him is all I need to come to a conclusion about you.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 2:25pm On Jan 13
DappaD:


Na today this one start? Sheybi you said rottenna.ija is doing the work of the Lord na? grin
Why not go and focus your attention on him?
Your obsequiousness towards him is all I need to come to a conclusion about you.

I think it's noble to supply answers to questions if you have the answers...

or simply say I DON'T KNOW...

but leaving the questions and its answers into another thing is not fair...
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 2:31pm On Jan 13
MaxInDHouse:
The figure symbolises a limited number and the tribes mentioned are not literal Sir!
First of all crosscheck the list of the names of Jacob's 12 sons @ Exodus 1:2-6 and try to correlate with what you have @ Revelations 7:5-8, you'll discover that what was revealed to John is not the literal 12 sons of Israel but spiritual Israel Sir!
I'll explain further after you're through with that! smiley
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 2:36pm On Jan 13
MaxInDHouse:
The figure symbolises a limited number and the tribes mentioned are not literal Sir!
First of all crosscheck the list of the names of Jacob's 12 sons @ Exodus 1:2-6 and try to correlate with what you have @ Revelations 7:5-8, you'll discover that what was revealed to John is not the literal 12 sons of Israel but spiritual Israel Sir!
I'll explain further after you're through with that! :

Ok, how about the black Africans going to heaven through your organization?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by DappaD: 3:02pm On Jan 13
KNOWMORE56:


I think it's noble to supply answers to questions if you have the answers...
or simply say I DON'T KNOW...
but leaving the questions and its answers into another thing is not fair...


Am I under any form of obligation to give you a reply?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:08pm On Jan 13
There are thousands of them Sir!
Note what the Bible book of Revelation says, "the first set of people to appear on mountain Zion with the lamb were the 144,000" Revelations 14:1
Most of the first set of people to embrace true Christianity in every nation will be selected, because they're the ones who will go out to plead (preach) and gather subjects in their our country prepared for God's Kingdom. Revelations 14:6
So that when the rulership begins in heaven one man from my own home town is there to be our representative in God's Kingdom.
But the only nation that's privileged to have the highest number of reps in God's Kingdom (heaven) are the Jews, that's why the foundation stones have the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb who were natural Jews! Revelations 21:14



KNOWMORE56:

Ok, how about the black Africans going to heaven through your organization?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 3:10pm On Jan 13
MaxInDHouse:
The figure symbolises a limited number and the tribes mentioned are not literal Sir!

First of all crosscheck the list of the names of Jacob's 12 sons @ Exodus 1:2-6 and try to correlate with what you have @ Revelations 7:5-8, you'll discover that what was revealed to John is not the literal 12 sons of Israel but spiritual Israel Sir!

I'll explain further after you're through with that! smiley

Israel/Jacob has 12 sons, which supposed to be the names of the tribes.

But it has not been in that order. I mean, the names of the 12 tribes of Israel have never followed after the names of all children of Jacob literally.

Levi wasn't an official tribe:

*. Numbers 2:33 "KJV:But THE LEVITES WERE NOT NUMBERED AMONG THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL; as the Lord commanded Moses."

The reason is because Joseph is given double portion, which still shows in the revelation.

I will give more explanation to what I'm trying to say.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by bixton(m): 3:21pm On Jan 13
illicit:



No one can be like Christ....


A Christian is a follower of Christ


There are many doctrines in Christianity and so how do you define your own Christ's doctrine when you have Catholics, angiicans, Ethiopian church, Protestants etc....


Which of these doctrines are you talking of


It pays to get understanding and it will help. The below quote is as regards that which you say is not achievable....



Luke.6.40 - A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher.


And in case you still need to argue. This is where you will have to read again.....

1John.2.27 - But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Proverbs 3:5-6 says, “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make straight your paths.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by bixton(m): 3:28pm On Jan 13
nairalandankrah:
They believe that parts of the Bible are written in "figurative or symbolic language."
While they follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ and honor him as their savior and the son of God, they believe that Jesus is not God and that there is no scriptural basis for the trinity doctrine...
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that only 144,000 people will go to heaven and that all the other people who obey God will live forever in their various countries..


This is one of the few reasons why Jesus Christ certain times spoke figuratively........
Within that figure of speech is a spiritual message for man.

1Cor.1.27 - But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:29pm On Jan 13
It's deeper than that Sir!

Because in the list of names mentioned in connection with the lamb on mount Zion (heaven) Levi's name is in the list.

Mind if i explain this for you? smiley

KNOWMORE56:

Israel/Jacob has 12 sons, which supposed to be the names of the tribes.
But it has not been in that order. I mean, the names of the 12 tribes of Israel have never followed after the names of all children of Jacob literally.
Levi wasn't an official tribe
*. Numbers 2:33 "KJV:But THE LEVITES WERE NOT NUMBERED AMONG THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL; as the Lord commanded Moses."
The reason is because Joseph is given double portion, which still shows in the revelation.
I will give more explanation to what I'm trying to say.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 3:37pm On Jan 13
MaxInDHouse:
There are thousands of them Sir!
Note what the Bible book of Revelation says, "the first set of people to appear on mountain Zion with the lamb were the 144,000" Revelations 14:1
Most of the first set of people to embrace true Christianity in every nation will be selected, because they're the ones who will go out to plead (preach) and gather subjects in their our country prepared for God's Kingdom. Revelations 14:6
So that when the rulership begins in heaven one man from my own home town is there to be our representative in God's Kingdom.
But the only nation that's privileged to have the highest number of reps in God's Kingdom (heaven) are the Jews, that's why the foundation stones have the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb who were natural Jews! Revelations 21:14


Ok. I will like to post my own understanding from the Word. Revelation 7:1-10

- God was about to unleash terror upon the earth through 4 Angels who wanted to stop wind from blowing on the earth ( i.e before the great tribulation starts in full)... V

- God commanded that His servants 1st be sealed and protected...

- this first group are taken from the 12 tribes of Israel, (God always considers them first in all His dealings with humanity)

- later, people were sealed from all over the world, they are without numbers/ uncomfortable...

I do not see where it says one group will live in heaven and the other on earth.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by bixton(m): 4:09pm On Jan 13
DappaD:
Good morning.



Well, even Jesus said he used symbolic language in most of his illustrations. Matthew 13:10-13, Mark 4:34
Other parts of the Bible attest to the fact that some aspects of it are written in figurative language as well. 2Peter 3:16, Revelation 1:1

In fact, almost the entire book of Ezekiel features some illustrations and enactments that cannot be taken literally if it should be understood.



The facts is that Jesus himself never mentioned that he was God. Mark 10:18, John 14:28, 20:17
His faithful disciples addressed him as the Son of the living God. Matthew 16:16, John 20:31 see Luke 1:32 also.
Jesus is the firstborn Son of all of God's creation. Colossians 1:15-16 and God has other spirit sons including Gabriel. Job 38:7, Hebrews 1:7





If I should ask you these questions:
1. What are those going to heaven going to do there? Because the Bible says they're going for an assignment.
2. At what point did God change his mind that humans should now occupy the heavens since the Old Testament makes no mention of anyone ascending to heaven? Compare John 3:13
3. The hundreds of millions of angels that God created weren't enough to occupy the heavens, so God somehow needs humans there to do what?

Would you be able to answer these questions?


Jesus does not need to respond that He is God.
Remember He said............I AM, when questioned who He is.
The Scripture is not read in bits and explained.

This is the reason why they coined it "Trinity"...

God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Let me give you a simple explanation....
Lets assume your surname is "BiSHOP" in your family house there are 7 persons and someone you don't know knocks on the door and after exchange of pleasantries you ask him who he is looking for and he calls your surname...........WHAT NEXT WILL BE YOUR RESPONSE!!!?
Certainly you would ask......which of the BISHOP?

It is this unique oneness that makes HiM to be called I AM and GOD. That is not to mean He has a higher authority or can usurp power.

The essence of the Trinity is ONE-NESS as a functional and operational being.

Remember any time Jesus wants to refer to God...He makes mention of the FATHER.
Even the opening line in the Lord's prayer is " Our Father".

In the old testament when God spoke to Moses.....He referred Himself as 'I AM".
In the new testament Christ Jesus in certain instances referred Himself as "I AM".


Do you know there is a difference between Heaven and heaven(s)? Please do well to find it out for yourself by studying the Word.

Your assertions as to it is not mentioned in the Old Testament that none has gone to heaven; so Moses, Abraham, Elijah, Samuel and King David where did they go to or where are they?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 4:18pm On Jan 13
DappaD:


Am I under any form of obligation to give you a reply?

As one of the Nairaland GB, yes.

*. 1 Peter 3:15 "KJV:But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and BE READY ALWAYS TO GIVE AN ANSWER TO EVERY MAN THAT ASKETH YOU a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

.... the phrase EVERY MAN includes me...
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by bixton(m): 4:29pm On Jan 13
Janosky:

Yes..
Jesus is NOT the God Almighty, Jehovah his Father.

John 1:1 in English versions. The traditional rendering in English is: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... [It] is clear that in the translation "the Word was God", the term God is being used to denote his nature or essence, and not his person"
(In other words, the Word, Jesus was godlike, divine ('a god'),not the God Almighty.)
.
en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › John_1:1
John 1:1 - Wikipedia.

As for who goes to heaven, Jesus Christ settled the matter, Matthew 5:3= Rev 14:1-3. John 3:3-5.
& Who lives forever on earth,
Matthew 5:5= Psalms 37:29 & 2 Peter 3:13 Revelation 21:4-5..

Isaiah 43:10-12, Acts 3:13, John 20:17, Jesus Christ is a Jehovah's Witnesses, a servant of Jehovah, his God & Father



I understand your views and it will be hard to even reason with you. Many a times we have been given wrong interpretation towards certain portions of the Scriptures and we tend to use certain words which are not not even written as God's word or having a scriptural backing.

In order for one to learn he has to unlearn but with caution.

No matter the arguments what's most important that those who are called by God and of God are to preach the undiluted word of God that Christ Jesus is the Son of God, He died and is ressurrected to the remission of the sins of man and only those who believe in Him by faith(wholly not partial) will receive the free gift of salvation. And all our worship to Him should be in truth and in spirit because that's the only way we can get to please Him.

As regards the bold there's no portion in the Scripture that says that. Even though people say it or use it in teaching.

English language is tricky. Try looking into 13th century English and 21st century english.
Do you not think there's a difference between 'a servant of' and a 'servant unto'?


Anyways even man was upgraded from being a servant to as Jesus said 'a friend of God and a son of God. A servant cannot be a heir till he is made a son of the household.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 4:31pm On Jan 13
MaxInDHouse:
It's deeper than that Sir!

Because in the list of names mentioned in connection with the lamb on mount Zion (heaven) Levi's name is in the list.

Mind if i explain this for you? smiley



Yay, I always want to learn new things. Be there to answer the questions your expectations will generate.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 5:06pm On Jan 13
MaxInDHouse:
It's deeper than that Sir!

Because in the list of names mentioned in connection with the lamb on mount Zion (heaven) Levi's name is in the list.
Mind if i explain this for you? smiley

The tribe of Dan is missing from the list, replace with Levi (we are not given explanation for this)...

Some have said it may be as a result of their involvement in idolatry....
this maybe right or wrong...

- the tribe of Ephraim is missing from the list, replace with his father, Joseph...

probably the same idolatry issue...

The names of Levi and Joseph were not in the old list of their tribes.

It was tribes of Ephraim an Manasseh...

Whichever way, Joseph has double portions.


MY LESSON:

If God rejected some tribes of Israel for the sake of idolatry,

He will not accept someone simply because he's in an organization that is claiming to be the only way to God's kingdom.

Do you agree to the lesson?

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Tochj(m): 5:09pm On Jan 13
What makes a person a christian?
1.Must believe that Jesus is the son of God.
That he is a God who comes from God.
2.Must Believe that the Holy spirit is the spirit of the father and the son.
3.Must believe that the father and the son are the same.
4.must believe that Jesus is coming again to judge the world.
5.He had prepared a place for believers and that the present Heaven and Earth will be wiped away.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:54pm On Jan 13
Well there are many interpretations given as to why those two names were missing from the list, but the truth is the list of names are figurative not literal!
All the tribes in Israel were guilty of idolatry so it couldn't have been that, Paul expatiate on this when he said real Jews aren't those born naturally as Jews anymore but those who became Jews by Faith! {Romans 2:25-29} that's the meaning of Jesus' illustration of the wedding feast, the Jews were supposed to be the only invitees but they ignored the invitation and started giving excuses so other tribes were welcomed into the wedding feast to become Jews by Faith! Matthew 22:2-14 compared to Matthew 23:37-38 and John 1:11-13

So the list symbolises selected individuals from all races who first embrace true Christianity! smiley


KNOWMORE56:

The tribe of Dan is missing from the list, replace with Levi (we are not given explanation for this)...
Some have said it may be as a result of their involvement in idolatry....
this maybe right or wrong...
- the tribe of Ephraim is missing from the list, replace with his father, Joseph...
probably the same idolatry issue...
The names of Levi and Joseph were not in the old list of their tribes.
It was tribes of Ephraim an Manasseh...
Whichever way, Joseph has double portions.
MY LESSON:
If God rejected some tribes of Israel for the sake of idolatry,
He will not accept someone simply because he's in an organization that is claiming to be the only way to God's kingdom.
Do you agree to the lesson?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by illicit(m): 5:58pm On Jan 13
bixton:



It pays to get understanding and it will help. The below quote is as regards that which you say is not achievable....



Luke.6.40 - A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone who is perfectly trained will be like his teacher.


And in case you still need to argue. This is where you will have to read again.....

1John.2.27 - But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Proverbs 3:5-6 says, “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make straight your paths.




What does 'understanding' mean to you?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 6:23pm On Jan 13
MaxInDHouse:
Well there are many interpretations given as to why those two names were missing from the list, but the truth is the list of names are figurative not literal!
All the tribes in Israel were guilty of idolatry so it couldn't have been that, Paul expatiate on this when he said real Jews aren't those born naturally as Jews anymore but those who became Jews by Faith! {Romans 2:25-29} that's the meaning of Jesus' illustration of the wedding feast, the Jews were supposed to be the only invitees but they ignored the invitation and started giving excuses so other tribes were welcomed into the wedding feast to become Jews by Faith! Matthew 22:2-14 compared to Matthew 23:37-38 and John 1:11-13
So the list symbolises selected individuals from all races who first embrace true Christianity! smiley

Yes, different schools of thought.

You may be right and you may be wrong...

See from the Word that GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS and He's demonstrating it every day:

*. Acts 10: 34 "KJV:Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive THAT GOD IS NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS:

35
KJV:But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Other places: 2 Samuel 14:14; Deuteronomy 10: 17; 2 Chronicles 19:7 and more
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:26pm On Jan 13
Sorry my eyes omitted this! embarassed

God didn't intend taking people to heaven from the beginning, the seat of God's earthly kingdom was supposed to be in Jerusalem, but the Israelites profane God's Temple and pure worship so they lost that glory {Matthew 23:37-38} when Jesus continued to pronounce woes upon Jerusalem (the most precious heritage of the Jews) his faithful disciples were devastated because they can't understand what Jesus is doing anymore!
How come he is declaring damnation upon their holy city?
If Jerusalem is Condemned, where are they going to stay with him as rulers?
Jesus can read their hearts so he quickly made a promise that has never been heard before since the creation of the world! Jesus promised to take them to his own home (heaven) so he promised to go and prepare a place and come back to take them there! John 14:1-4
Those going there will be a selected few from his disciples {Luke 12:32} none of those who lived before him qualifies for this privilege! Matthew 11:11

KNOWMORE56:

Ok. I will like to post my own understanding from the Word. Revelation 7:1-10
- God was about to unleash terror upon the earth through 4 Angels who wanted to stop wind from blowing on the earth ( i.e before the great tribulation starts in full)... V
- God commanded that His servants 1st be sealed and protected...
- this first group are taken from the 12 tribes of Israel, (God always considers them first in all His dealings with humanity)
- later, people were sealed from all over the world, they are without numbers/ uncomfortable...
I do not see where it says one group will live in heaven and the other on earth.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by bixton(m): 6:35pm On Jan 13
illicit:



What does 'understanding' mean to you?

Simply put it means to comprehend something correctly.

For me; Understanding is the correct application of knowledge.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 6:38pm On Jan 13
MaxInDHouse:
Sorry my eyes omitted this! embarassed

God didn't intend taking people to heaven from the beginning, the seat of God's earthly kingdom was supposed to be in Jerusalem, but the Israelites profane God's Temple and pure worship so they lost that glory {Matthew 23:37-38} when Jesus continued to pronounce woes upon Jerusalem (the most precious heritage of the Jews) his faithful disciples were devastated because they can't understand what Jesus is doing anymore!
How come he is declaring damnation upon their holy city?
If Jerusalem is Condemned, where are they going to stay with him as rulers?
Jesus can read their hearts so he quickly made a promise that has never been heard before since the creation of the world! Jesus promised to take them to his own home (heaven) so he promised to go and prepare a place and come back to take them there! John 14:1-4
Those going there will be a selected few from his disciples {Luke 12:32} none of those who lived before him qualifies for this privilege! Matthew 11:11

Well, as for me, any thing I see in the Word I take it as final. Especially when it is clear.

My Oga says Abraham and Isaac and Jacob are in heaven,

*. Matthew 8:11 "KJV:And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with ABRAHAM, and ISAAC, AND JACOB, IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN."
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by illicit(m): 6:45pm On Jan 13
bixton:


Simply put it means to comprehend something correctly.

For me; Understanding is the correct application of knowledge.



Now tell me, is understanding relative or universal
What is correct?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:50pm On Jan 13
Well Abraham, Isaac and Jacob weren't Christians so they can't be partakers of what belongs only to Born Again Christians! Matthew 11:11

Mentioning their names has a different meaning entirely. Remember that the list of people who will rule with the lamb on mount Zion excluded those three names, because they were patriarchs not Born Again sons of God!

But it's well, since you've concluded that we can all settle for our various school of thought, so no wahala! smiley

KNOWMORE56:


Well, as for me, any thing I see in the Word I take it as final. Especially when it is clear.

My Oga says Abraham and Isaac and Jacob are in heaven,

*. Matthew 8:11 "KJV:And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with ABRAHAM, and ISAAC, AND JACOB, IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN."


Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by BritneyBitch: 6:52pm On Jan 13
call them jehovah's witnesses, it is their name after all
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by DappaD: 7:10pm On Jan 13
bixton:

Jesus does not need to respond that He is God.
Remember He said............I AM, when questioned who He is.
The Scripture is not read in bits and explained.
This is the reason why they coined it "Trinity"...
God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Let me give you a simple explanation....
Lets assume your surname is "BiSHOP" in your family house there are 7 persons and someone you don't know knocks on the door and after exchange of pleasantries you ask him who he is looking for and he calls your surname...........WHAT NEXT WILL BE YOUR RESPONSE!!!?
Certainly you would ask......which of the BISHOP?
It is this unique oneness that makes HiM to be called I AM and GOD. That is not to mean He has a higher authority or can usurp power.
The essence of the Trinity is ONE-NESS as a functional and operational being.
Remember any time Jesus wants to refer to God...He makes mention of the FATHER.
Even the opening line in the Lord's prayer is " Our Father"..

Nice write-up I must commend you but you didn't still show me where Jesus said he was God or where this ‘Trinity’ is located in the Bible yet?


In the old testament when God spoke to Moses.....He referred Himself as 'I AM".
In the new testament Christ Jesus in certain instances referred Himself as "I AM".

I do not really understand why trinitarians like hovering over inconsequential details.
@John chapter 8, Jesus Christ and the Pharisees were having a little feud over who really was doing the will of God(John 8:41)
Now why would they be having this discussion if Jesus was already God?
Jesus said those words to prove that he had existed before Abraham, not that he was God. John 8:58, Revelation 3:14
After all, angel Gabriel and the rest of the angels in heaven will also say the same thing that they existed before Abraham and they would be correct because they were present when the earth was being created. Job 38:7


Do you know there is a difference between Heaven and heaven(s)? Please do well to find it out for yourself by studying the Word.

The Scriptures give quite a number of definitions to the meaning of “heavens”. Genesis 1:8, Deuteronomy 26:15, Ephesians 6:12
I am not new to this sir.

Do you also know that “earth” has more than one meaning?


Your assertions as to it is not mentioned in the Old Testament that none has gone to heaven; so Moses, Abraham, Elijah, Samuel and King David where did they go to or where are they?

Read Acts 2:29,34 from your Bible please. The aforementioned people died, and returned to the dust of the ground. Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 3:20
None of them are qualified for heavenly life so they will remain in the dust until the day of resurrection. Acts 24:15
After all, Isaiah 26:19 said that those who will be resurrected in the future in earth are “residents in the dust” or those who “dwell in the dust” would be resurrected. Compare John 5:28,29

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by bixton(m): 7:11pm On Jan 13
illicit:




Now tell me, is understanding relative or universal
What is correct?

Apologies...
Kindly tell me what you mean by "relative" or "universal as it concerns understanding?
Thanks.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by illicit(m): 7:18pm On Jan 13
bixton:


Apologies...
Kindly tell me what you mean by "relative" or "universal as it concerns understanding?
Thanks.


Okay

I mean to say that while your understanding of the quoted verses might be apt, it might be your personal perception


Those words can mean another thing to another person from his own perception

Now where you will be wrong is if you try to insist that your own understanding supersedes that of others, which is what most ' christains ' like to think


If all christains understand the Bible the same way, there will be no Catholics , Anglican, Methodist, deeper life, celestial, cherubim etc

They all read the Bible yet they have different doctrines....

The way I understand the Bible is that God is the supreme being and has sent several prophets , Jesus is one of them, albeit the most important.... I believe in Jesus as a means to God.... Believing in God is the most important thing to me....


So in your understanding, am I a christain
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by bixton(m): 8:07pm On Jan 13
illicit:



Okay

I mean to say that while your understanding of the quoted verses might be apt, it might be your personal perception


Those words can mean another thing to another person from his own perception

Now where you will be wrong is if you try to insist that your own understanding supersedes that of others, which is what most ' christains ' like to think


If all christains understand the Bible the same way, there will be no Catholics , Anglican, Methodist, deeper life, celestial, cherubim etc

They all read the Bible yet they have different doctrines....

The way I understand the Bible is that God is the supreme being and has sent several prophets , Jesus is one of them, albeit the most important.... I believe in Jesus as a means to God.... Believing in God is the most important thing to me....


So in your understanding, am I a christain

I like the bold but it's not enough for one due to this quote......James 2.19 - You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!


That's the interesting thing............

There was a reason the word Christian was coined.........

Acts.11.26 - And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.


I am sure the disciples lifestyle were likened to that of Jesus as those in Antioch must have heard of Him before seeing and hearing from the disciples. Religion call it Christian and Christianity.

Christ Jesus used the word "born again".
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Janosky: 8:09pm On Jan 13
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I understand your views and it will be hard to even reason with you. Many a times we have been given wrong interpretation towards certain portions of the Scriptures and we tend to use certain words which are not not even written as God's word or having a scriptural backing.

In order for one to learn he has to unlearn but with caution.

No matter the arguments what's most important that those who are called by God and of God are to preach the undiluted word of God that Christ Jesus is the Son of God, He died and is ressurrected to the remission of the sins of man and only those who believe in Him by faith(wholly not partial) will receive the free gift of salvation. And all our worship to Him should be in truth and in spirit because that's the only way we can get to please Him.

As regards the bold there's no portion in the Scripture that says that. Even though people say it or use it in teaching.

English language is tricky. Try looking into 13th century English and 21st century english.
Do you not think there's a difference between 'a servant of' and a 'servant unto'?


Anyways even man was upgraded from being a servant to as Jesus said 'a friend of God and a son of God. A servant cannot be a heir till he is made a son of the household.

Bros, you are entitled to your opinion, thanks !
In your opinion, my belief "Jesus is NOT God Almighty is wrong, but you are here telling Janosky to continue preaching "Jesus Christ is the son of God" grin grin grin grin.
Can't you see your contradiction?

Your God is a servant of whom?

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