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RightChannel:
2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Even quran recognized Holy Bible likewise

Quran 10:94 - And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

"Scripture" does not mean "Bible" There were scriptures revealed to Moses, Jesus, Abraham, David, etc. Each wasn't called Bible. Even the book of Timothy you quoted is part of the scripture of your Bible right?

Let's see who is ignorant between you and 1

Question No. 1


Allah says in the Qur'an (Surah 75:19) that the Qur'an will be recited. But then in the verse right after (verse 20) it is also said that the Qur'an will be explained. If the Qur'an is self-explanatory then the only thing that needs to be done is reciting it out. However, in verse 19 the function of reciting is done and then in the verse right after, the function of explaining is done. Clearly these are two different tasks, which mean that reading the Qur'an alone would not give you the full explanation required. It has to be explained through some other source. What is that other source?

Maybe you didn't read the verses well. Your deductions from those verses were wrong.

Question 2:

How do you know how to pray using the Quran alone?

Allah didn't tell us to use the Qu'ran Alone.
Allah says: "Obey Allah and His messenger" many times in the Qu'ran. Obey Allah by following the Qu'ran and obeying His messenger by following his tradition!

Question 3:

How do you know how much Zakah to pay using the Quran alone?

See Answer 2 above and Qu'ran verse you quoted below: We do it the way the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam did it. His example is our Islam. The followers of Jesus, Moses, Noah, etc were to obey them respectively!

Question 4:

Surah 33:21 says you have the Messenger as a good example to follow. How would you know his example without the hadith?

The hadith is the tradition of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam. And this is the example Allah refers.

AntiChristian:
"Scripture" does not mean "Bible" There were scriptures revealed to Moses, Jesus, Abraham, David, etc. Each wasn't called Bible. Even the book of Timothy you quoted is part of the scripture of your Bible right?

Let me laugh in Arabic If Scripture doesn't mean Bible so what does it mean? The scripture Allah mentioned in Quran 10:94 is what? And tell us the name of the scripture revealed to Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, etc

AntiChristian:
Maybe you didn't read the verses well. Your deductions from those verses were wrong.



Allah didn't tell us to use the Qu'ran Alone.
Allah says: "Obey Allah and His messenger" many times in the Qu'ran. Obey Allah by following the Qu'ran and obeying His messenger by following his tradition!

Is the tradition of Muhammad recorded in Quran? See where you finish yourself

AntiChristian:
See Answer 2 above and Qu'ran verse you quoted below: We do it the way the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam did it. His example is our Islam. The followers of Jesus, Moses, Noah, etc were to obey them respectively!

Is the way Muhammad did it stated in Quran?

AntiChristian:
The hadith is the tradition of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam. And this is the example Allah refers.

What are we now saying, you believe hadith is the tradition of Muhammad and is Quran complete without NOT following the tradition (hadith) of Muhammad?

You don't even know what to say again, just confusing yourself.. Can you now see you're the real ignorant being on earth?

RightChannel:
Let me laugh in Arabic If Scripture doesn't mean Bible so what does it mean? The scripture Allah mentioned in Quran 10:94 is what? And tell us the name of the scripture revealed to Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, etc



Is the tradition of Muhammad recorded in Quran? See where you finish yourself




Is the way Muhammad did it stated in Quran?



What are we now saying, you believe hadith is the tradition of Muhammad and is Quran complete without NOT following the tradition (hadith) of Muhammad?

You don't even know what to say again, just confusing yourself.. Can you now see you're the real ignorant being on earth?

AntiChristian at last you finally put yourself in total and absolute shame

ANTIlSLAM:
AntiChristian me too wan drop my question

How do you know how to perform ablution using only Quran?

Shey allah perform ablution when he prayed for Muhammad?

'Verily, Allah and His angels pray (yusalloona) for the prophet. O ye who believe! Pray for him (salloo) and salute him with a salutation!'

Surah 33:56

AntiChristian Abeg answer my own question abi my question hard nii make I reduce am? Empiree help your brother

ANTIlSLAM:
AntiChristian Abeg answer my own question abi my question hard nii make I reduce am? Empiree help your brother

. Although I believe answering you is a waste of time, nonetheless I will answer you.
You shouldn't be here in the first instance and this thread should be closed normally because of the quavering vultures ready to feast on any Muslim Thread.
Back to your question; The prayer mentioned in the quoted verse is what we call salawat ala nabiyy and not the 5 daily Solats. Islam is a religion with many obligations which are of immense benefits to mankind.
The Qur'an also stated that the prophet Muhammad is the best example of all mankinds.
Laqad kana lakum fee rasooli Allahi oswatun hasanatun liman kana yarjoo Allaha waalyawma alakhira wathakara Allaha katheeran.
Certainly you have in the Apostle of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.
So who else will you copy in your mode of ablution if not the Prophet Muhammad?
Furthermore going through Qur'an 5:6, you'll see where method of ablution was mentioned.
Q. 5:6 O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.

Alhajiemeritus:
. Although I believe answering you is a waste of time, nonetheless I will answer you.
You shouldn't be here in the first instance and this thread should be closed normally because of the quavering vultures ready to feast on any Muslim Thread.
Back to your question; The prayer mentioned in the quoted verse is what we call salawat ala nabiyy and not the 5 daily Solats. Islam is a religion with many obligations which are of immense benefits to mankind.
The Qur'an also stated that the prophet Muhammad is the best example of all mankinds.
Laqad kana lakum fee rasooli Allahi oswatun hasanatun liman kana yarjoo Allaha waalyawma alakhira wathakara Allaha katheeran.
Certainly you have in the Apostle of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.
So who else will you copy in your mode of ablution if not the Prophet Muhammad?
Furthermore going through Qur'an 5:6, you'll see where method of ablution was mentioned.
Q. 5:6 O you who have believed, when you rise to [perform] prayer, wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles. And if you are in a state of janabah, then purify yourselves. But if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and do not find water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and hands with it. Allah does not intend to make difficulty for you, but He intends to purify you and complete His favor upon you that you may be grateful.

You have turn to emeritus alhaji that is cool

When questions are too difficult for you to comprehend and answer, you always tagged it as "waste of time" in answering

Your co. slaves from the religion of Muhammad and allah are also quavering vultures feasting on all Christians thread, It is Tit for Tat so don't be pained okay



Q 5:6 you emphasized as point of ref, is it fully detailed on how ablution should be observed step by step? Or you just go to mosque take a bath, wash your dirty mouth, hands and enters in for asolat? Is Quran complete without not following the tradition (hadith) of Muhammad as stipulated on how it should be done?

ANTIlSLAM:
You have turn to emeritus alhaji that is cool

When questions are too difficult for you to comprehend and answer, you always tagged it as "waste of time" in answering

Your co. slaves from the religion of Muhammad and allah are also quavering vultures feasting on all Christians thread, It is Tit for Tat so don't be pained okay



Q 5:6 you emphasized as point of ref, is it fully detailed on how ablution should be observed step by step? Or you just go to mosque take a bath, wash your dirty mouth, hands and enters in for asolat? Is Quran complete without not following the tradition (hadith) of Muhammad as stipulated on how it should be done?

Hello, I'm not the previous guy you quoted.
This is my first comment on this thread.
Juxtapose the Q5:6 I mentioned with the previous verse I mentioned of the prophet being the best of creatures, you have to emulate.
Now think about it very well, before you reply.

Alhajiemeritus:
Hello, I'm not the previous guy you quoted.
This is my first comment on this thread.
Juxtapose the Q5:6 I mentioned with the previous verse I mentioned of the prophet being the best of creatures, you have to emulate.
Now think about it very well, before you reply.

AntiChristian your saviour is here, An Emeritus from the slavery religion of allah.. He's here to save you.

Since you don't even know where we started from you should have asked instead of just jumping here as if you be Puma


From the Q 5:6 you emphasized on as point of ref, is it fully detailed how you should observed ablution step by step? Secondly, Is Quran complete without not following the tradition (hadith) of Muhammad as stipulated on how it should be done?

That's ur own questions

RightChannel:
Let me laugh in Arabic If Scripture doesn't mean Bible so what does it mean? The scripture Allah mentioned in Quran 10:94 is what? And tell us the name of the scripture revealed to Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, etc.

Scripture revealed to Moses = Tawrah
Scripture revealed to Jesus = Injeel
Scripture revealed to Muhammad= Qu'ran

So how is scripture same as Bible? Where was the word Bible mentioned in the Bible as equivalent to scripture?
Keep laughing like Yaba left people.

Is the tradition of Muhammad recorded in Quran? See where you finish yourself

The Qu'ran is the word of Allah only so why would it contain any thing else?

Is the way Muhammad did it stated in Quran?

Allah says we should obey the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam in the Qu'ran.
Obeying him is to follow the ahadith. Islam is the Qu'ran and the ahadith!

What are we now saying, you believe hadith is the tradition of Muhammad and is Quran complete without NOT following the tradition (hadith) of Muhammad?

The Qu'ran is the complete word of Allah and the ahadith is the tradition of the Prophet. We are Muslims who follows the Qu'ran and the ahadith! Each points to the other.

You don't even know what to say again, just confusing yourself.. Can you now see you're the real ignorant being on earth?

No, you are the real ignoramus. Your Bible contains words of God, Prophets, disciples, laymen and unknown people all lumped together as Bible (collection of Books).

Qu'ran is simply the word of Allah.

Ahadith is the tradition of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam.

AntiChristian:
Scripture revealed to Moses = Tawrah
Scripture revealed to Jesus = Injeel
Scripture revealed to Muhammad= Qu'ran

Where's Tawrah and Injeel? Quote a chapter and verse from the two books let's see

AntiChristian:
So how is scripture same as Bible? Where was the word Bible mentioned in the Bible as equivalent to scripture?
Keep laughing like Yaba left people.

See how you're showing your madness on NL, Is English now giving you headache, or is it because Holy is not infront ie (Holy Scripture) that's why you don't know is the same as saying Holy Bible? Why not consult dictionary to enlighten you instead of acting ignorantly fool here.. PLEASE USE DICTIONARY

AntiChristian:
The Qu'ran is the word of Allah only so why would it contain any thing else?

Are you saying Allah forgot to give you in details how Ablution should be done step by step in Quran rather than waiting for Muhammad to pen down his own book before you could observed ablution the way it should be?

AntiChristian:
Allah says we should obey the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam in the Qu'ran.
Obeying him is to follow the ahadith. Islam is the Qu'ran and the ahadith!

Did I said you shouldn't obey him? Why is Quran not fully detailed? Why following hadith if Quran is complete, why praying five times a day?

AntiChristian:
The Qu'ran is the complete word of Allah and the ahadith is the tradition of the Prophet. We are Muslims who follows the Qu'ran and the ahadith! Each points to the other.

Those that don't follow ahadith are not Muslims right?

AntiChristian:
No, you are the real ignoramus. Your Bible contains words of God, Prophets, disciples, laymen and unknown people all lumped together as Bible (collection of Books).

Qu'ran is simply the word of Allah.

Ahadith is the tradition of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam.

No wonder Allah has to make Bible as reference scriptural book for Muhammad because of his ignoramus in which you his followers are following the same suit

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ANTIlSLAM:
Bro, hope they won't be looking for someone's head at the end of the day by shouting allahu akbar?

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Nairaland is accessible to everyone worldwide, let those that want to know the truth come here.
I'll address all their questions

Thanks

May Allah Subhanahu Wata Ala bestow mercy on our Prophet Mohammad Sallallahu alaihi wa salam his family, Abubakar RA, Umar RA, Uthman RA and Aliyu RA his rightly guided khalifahs and the rest of his sahabas those who strive in the way of Allah ameen.

AlBaqir:
UMAR IBN AL-KHATTAB VS THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD IN THE BELIEF OF AHLU SUNNAH Part 1


Introduction:

In the hadith books of Ahlu Sunnah which resonates in their belief, Umar ibn al-Khattab was [one of such persons who were] used to be "inspired"[1] to the extent that "Allah concorded with his judgment" on three to four occasions.[2]


EXAMPLES OF SUCH INSPIRATION

1. Observance of veil

Imam al-Bukhari documents:


حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ بُكَيْرٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي عُقَيْلٌ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ أَزْوَاجَ النَّبِيِّ، صلى الله عليه وسلم كُنَّ يَخْرُجْنَ بِاللَّيْلِ إِذَا تَبَرَّزْنَ إِلَى الْمَنَاصِعِ ـ وَهُوَ صَعِيدٌ أَفْيَحُ ـ *فَكَانَ عُمَرُ يَقُولُ لِلنَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم احْجُبْ نِسَاءَك.‏ فَلَمْ يَكُنْ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَفْعَل*ُ، فَخَرَجَتْ سَوْدَةُ بِنْتُ زَمْعَةَ زَوْجُ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَيْلَةً مِنَ اللَّيَالِي عِشَاءً، وَكَانَتِ امْرَأَةً طَوِيلَةً، فَنَادَاهَا عُمَرُ أَلاَ قَدْ عَرَفْنَاكِ يَا سَوْدَةُ‏.‏ حِرْصًا عَلَى أَنْ يَنْزِلَ الْحِجَابُ، فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ آيَةَ الْحِجَابِ‏.‏

Narrated A'isha: The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Madinah) to answer the call of nature at night. *Umar used to say to the Prophet (saw) "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so*. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha time and she was a tall lady. Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognised you, O Sauda (r.a)." He (Umar) said so, as he desired eagerly *until the verses of Al-Hijab* (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. *So Allah revealed the verses* of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).[3]


This is serious: [Umar used to say to the Prophet (saw) "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so]. What an effrontery!


The noble Prophet is introduced by His Lord thus:

He is the One Who sent a (Glorious) Messenger amongst the unlettered people from amongst themselves who recites to them His revelations and cleanses and purifies them and teaches them the Book and wisdom. Indeed, they were in open error before (his arrival). [surah al-Jumu’a: 2]

Indeed, Umar b. al-Khattab (among others who were once polytheist) was in open error before the “arrival” of the Prophet. How come he suddenly became the Prophet’s spiritual advisor and teacher, who teach him wisdom?


Besides Allah warns the believer:

_O you who believe, do not proceed ahead of Allah and His Messenger, and fear Allah. Surely Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing_ [surah al-Hujurat: 1]

Furthermore, the mother of the believer, Sauda bint Zam’a (radi’Allahu anha) was reported to have been on her way to the lavatory at Night. Why was Umar b. al-Khattab trailing her and her privacy? Was Sauda dressed immorally for Umar to be trailing her so as to tell the Prophet to let his wives be veiled? Aisha reported she was a tall lady. Obviously that was one characteristic feature Umar used to recognized her since it was at night. Is there a crime in physical tallness? Alas! Umar b. al-Khattab is not done yet. He continued trailing this innocent woman even when the verse of al-Hijab has been revealed.


Imam al-Bukhari also documents:

حَدَّثَنِي زَكَرِيَّاءُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ قَالَتْ خَرَجَتْ سَوْدَةُ بَعْدَ مَا ضُرِبَ الْحِجَابُ لِحَاجَتِهَا، وَكَانَتِ امْرَأَةً جَسِيمَةً لاَ تَخْفَى عَلَى مَنْ يَعْرِفُهَا، فَرَآهَا عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ فَقَالَ يَا سَوْدَةُ أَمَا وَاللَّهِ مَا تَخْفَيْنَ عَلَيْنَا، فَانْظُرِي كَيْفَ تَخْرُجِينَ، قَالَتْ فَانْكَفَأَتْ رَاجِعَةً، وَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي بَيْتِي، وَإِنَّهُ لَيَتَعَشَّى‏.‏ وَفِي يَدِهِ عَرْقٌ فَدَخَلَتْ فَقَالَتْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنِّي خَرَجْتُ لِبَعْضِ حَاجَتِي فَقَالَ لِي عُمَرُ كَذَا وَكَذَا‏.‏ قَالَتْ فَأَوْحَى اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ ثُمَّ رُفِعَ عَنْهُ وَإِنَّ الْعَرْقَ فِي يَدِهِ مَا وَضَعَهُ فَقَالَ ‏ "‏ إِنَّهُ قَدْ أُذِنَ لَكُنَّ أَنْ تَخْرُجْنَ لِحَاجَتِكُنَّ

“A'isha reported that Sauda went out (in the fields) in order to answer the call of nature *even after the time when veil had been prescribed for women*. She had been a bulky lady, significant in height amongst the women, and she could not conceal herself from him who had recognized her. Umar b. Khattab saw her and said: "Sauda, by Allah, you cannot conceal yourself from us. Therefore, be careful when you go out.” She (A'isha) said, turned back upon hearing this callous address. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was at that time in my house having his evening meal and there was a bone in his hand. She (Sauda) returned and said: Allah's Messenger, I went out and Umar said to me so and so. She (A'isha) reported: At that point the revelation came to him and then it was over; the bone was in his hand and he had not thrown it and he said: "Permission has been granted to you that you may go out for your needs." [4]


Subhan’Allah! Obviously Umar b. al-Khattab was trailing this “bulky and tall” noble wife of the Prophet who was going privately at night to the lavatory. Has Umar forgotten the command of Allah:

_Say to the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Surely, Allah is well aware of the (works) which they are busy doing_ [sura al-Nur: 30]


QUICK QUESTIONS:

# So we ask: how exactly Allah concorded with Umar’s alleged judgment in the case of al-Hijab, O people of senses?

# And we ask: how was that a merit to Umar ibn al-Khattab at the expense of the holy Prophet?

# Why chosen to drag the noble Prophet Muhammad on the mud for Umar to be praised?

# Is sahih Bukhari and sahih Muslim still enjoy their polemic authenticity and infallibility?


To be continued in sha Allah


✒ Abdulwasi Olawale A.
………………………………………


*REFERENCES*

1. Sahih Muslim 2398 a
The Book of the Merits of the Companions
Book 44, hadith 34
 https://sunnah.com/muslim/44/34

2. Sahih Muslim 2399
The Book of the Merits of the Companions
Book 44, hadith 36
https://sunnah.com/muslim/44/36

3. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book of Ablution, ‘Chapter: The going out of women for answering the call of nature’, vol. 1, Book 4,  Hadith # 146.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/4/12

4. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book of  ‘Prophetic commentary on the Quran’, vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 318; Arabic ref: Book 65, Page # 1205. Hadeeth # 4795.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/65/317

Salaamun alaikum brother
haven't seen your posts for a long while now, hope all is good.

spiritualmubi:
Salaamun alaikum brother
haven't seen your posts for a long while now, hope all is good.

Wa alaykum salaam dear brother. Alhamdulillah, all is well by His grace. I hope you are well too. I'm not that frequent on nairaland any longer. I've been very busy with other activities.

Many thanks dear brother. Jazak'Allahu khayran

AlBaqir:
Wa alaykum salaam dear brother. Alhamdulillah, all is well by His grace. I hope you are well too. I'm not that frequent on nairaland any longer. I've been very busy with other activities.

Many thanks dear brother. Jazak'Allahu khayran

Alhamdulillah brother.
Wa iyyaaka. May Allah make continue to bless our efforts.