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Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AlBaqir(m): 3:58am On Jan 05
UMAR IBN AL-KHATTAB VS THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD IN THE BELIEF OF AHLU SUNNAH Part 1


Introduction:

In the hadith books of Ahlu Sunnah which resonates in their belief, Umar ibn al-Khattab was [one of such persons who were] used to be "inspired"[1] to the extent that "Allah concorded with his judgment" on three to four occasions.[2]


EXAMPLES OF SUCH INSPIRATION

1. Observance of veil

Imam al-Bukhari documents:


حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ بُكَيْرٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا اللَّيْثُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي عُقَيْلٌ، عَنِ ابْنِ شِهَابٍ، عَنْ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ أَزْوَاجَ النَّبِيِّ، صلى الله عليه وسلم كُنَّ يَخْرُجْنَ بِاللَّيْلِ إِذَا تَبَرَّزْنَ إِلَى الْمَنَاصِعِ ـ وَهُوَ صَعِيدٌ أَفْيَحُ ـ *فَكَانَ عُمَرُ يَقُولُ لِلنَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم احْجُبْ نِسَاءَك.‏ فَلَمْ يَكُنْ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَفْعَل*ُ، فَخَرَجَتْ سَوْدَةُ بِنْتُ زَمْعَةَ زَوْجُ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم لَيْلَةً مِنَ اللَّيَالِي عِشَاءً، وَكَانَتِ امْرَأَةً طَوِيلَةً، فَنَادَاهَا عُمَرُ أَلاَ قَدْ عَرَفْنَاكِ يَا سَوْدَةُ‏.‏ حِرْصًا عَلَى أَنْ يَنْزِلَ الْحِجَابُ، فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ آيَةَ الْحِجَابِ‏.‏

Narrated A'isha: The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Madinah) to answer the call of nature at night. *Umar used to say to the Prophet (saw) "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so*. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha time and she was a tall lady. Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognised you, O Sauda (r.a)." He (Umar) said so, as he desired eagerly *until the verses of Al-Hijab* (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. *So Allah revealed the verses* of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).[3]


This is serious: [Umar used to say to the Prophet (saw) "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so]. What an effrontery!


The noble Prophet is introduced by His Lord thus:

He is the One Who sent a (Glorious) Messenger amongst the unlettered people from amongst themselves who recites to them His revelations and cleanses and purifies them and teaches them the Book and wisdom. Indeed, they were in open error before (his arrival). [surah al-Jumu’a: 2]

Indeed, Umar b. al-Khattab (among others who were once polytheist) was in open error before the “arrival” of the Prophet. How come he suddenly became the Prophet’s spiritual advisor and teacher, who teach him wisdom?


Besides Allah warns the believer:

_O you who believe, do not proceed ahead of Allah and His Messenger, and fear Allah. Surely Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing_ [surah al-Hujurat: 1]

Furthermore, the mother of the believer, Sauda bint Zam’a (radi’Allahu anha) was reported to have been on her way to the lavatory at Night. Why was Umar b. al-Khattab trailing her and her privacy? Was Sauda dressed immorally for Umar to be trailing her so as to tell the Prophet to let his wives be veiled? Aisha reported she was a tall lady. Obviously that was one characteristic feature Umar used to recognized her since it was at night. Is there a crime in physical tallness? Alas! Umar b. al-Khattab is not done yet. He continued trailing this innocent woman even when the verse of al-Hijab has been revealed.


Imam al-Bukhari also documents:

حَدَّثَنِي زَكَرِيَّاءُ بْنُ يَحْيَى، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو أُسَامَةَ، عَنْ هِشَامٍ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ـ رضى الله عنها ـ قَالَتْ خَرَجَتْ سَوْدَةُ بَعْدَ مَا ضُرِبَ الْحِجَابُ لِحَاجَتِهَا، وَكَانَتِ امْرَأَةً جَسِيمَةً لاَ تَخْفَى عَلَى مَنْ يَعْرِفُهَا، فَرَآهَا عُمَرُ بْنُ الْخَطَّابِ فَقَالَ يَا سَوْدَةُ أَمَا وَاللَّهِ مَا تَخْفَيْنَ عَلَيْنَا، فَانْظُرِي كَيْفَ تَخْرُجِينَ، قَالَتْ فَانْكَفَأَتْ رَاجِعَةً، وَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي بَيْتِي، وَإِنَّهُ لَيَتَعَشَّى‏.‏ وَفِي يَدِهِ عَرْقٌ فَدَخَلَتْ فَقَالَتْ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ إِنِّي خَرَجْتُ لِبَعْضِ حَاجَتِي فَقَالَ لِي عُمَرُ كَذَا وَكَذَا‏.‏ قَالَتْ فَأَوْحَى اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ ثُمَّ رُفِعَ عَنْهُ وَإِنَّ الْعَرْقَ فِي يَدِهِ مَا وَضَعَهُ فَقَالَ ‏ "‏ إِنَّهُ قَدْ أُذِنَ لَكُنَّ أَنْ تَخْرُجْنَ لِحَاجَتِكُنَّ

“A'isha reported that Sauda went out (in the fields) in order to answer the call of nature *even after the time when veil had been prescribed for women*. She had been a bulky lady, significant in height amongst the women, and she could not conceal herself from him who had recognized her. Umar b. Khattab saw her and said: "Sauda, by Allah, you cannot conceal yourself from us. Therefore, be careful when you go out.” She (A'isha) said, turned back upon hearing this callous address. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was at that time in my house having his evening meal and there was a bone in his hand. She (Sauda) returned and said: Allah's Messenger, I went out and Umar said to me so and so. She (A'isha) reported: At that point the revelation came to him and then it was over; the bone was in his hand and he had not thrown it and he said: "Permission has been granted to you that you may go out for your needs." [4]


Subhan’Allah! Obviously Umar b. al-Khattab was trailing this “bulky and tall” noble wife of the Prophet who was going privately at night to the lavatory. Has Umar forgotten the command of Allah:

_Say to the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Surely, Allah is well aware of the (works) which they are busy doing_ [sura al-Nur: 30]


QUICK QUESTIONS:

# So we ask: how exactly Allah concorded with Umar’s alleged judgment in the case of al-Hijab, O people of senses?

# And we ask: how was that a merit to Umar ibn al-Khattab at the expense of the holy Prophet?

# Why chosen to drag the noble Prophet Muhammad on the mud for Umar to be praised?

# Is sahih Bukhari and sahih Muslim still enjoy their polemic authenticity and infallibility?


To be continued in sha Allah


✒ Abdulwasi Olawale A.
………………………………………


*REFERENCES*

1. Sahih Muslim 2398 a
The Book of the Merits of the Companions
Book 44, hadith 34
 https://sunnah.com/muslim/44/34

2. Sahih Muslim 2399
The Book of the Merits of the Companions
Book 44, hadith 36
https://sunnah.com/muslim/44/36

3. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book of Ablution, ‘Chapter: The going out of women for answering the call of nature’, vol. 1, Book 4,  Hadith # 146.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/4/12

4. Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book of  ‘Prophetic commentary on the Quran’, vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 318; Arabic ref: Book 65, Page # 1205. Hadeeth # 4795.
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/65/317

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 9:38am On Jan 05
What a shitty shite post!

May the peace and blessings of Allah be onto Muhammad, his family, Abu-Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, other companions and all those who follow their path till the end.

May those who abuse or cast aspersions on any of them die without roots!

Aamin.

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 5:10pm On Jan 05
AntiChristian:
What a shitty shite post!

May the peace and blessings of Allah be onto Muhammad, his family, Abu-Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, other companions and all those who follow their path till the end.

May those who abuse or cast aspersions on any of them die without roots!

Aamin.

Where is Aamin or Ameen written in Quran?

Shey allah instructed you to say Aamin or Ameen?
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by NeoWanZaeed(m): 7:30pm On Jan 05
So this shia boi is still on NL. What are the moderators doing? This is absurd. This boi believe ALI IS ALLAH, HAS DIFFERENT QURAN AND HADITH FA. HIS WAY OF CALLING ADHAN AND PERFORMING SALAT IS DIFF 4RM OURS. ALL SAHABAHS ARE KAFIR TO HIM FA. this rofidoh boi is a kafir fa. Plain clear cut kafir

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by NeoWanZaeed(m): 7:32pm On Jan 05
Abi shey shia is a muslim to u people ni? Wahala wa o. . Chai

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by advocatejare(m): 9:38pm On Jan 05
grin grin grin

Not only this, those scenarios confirmed that the revelation of the Quran by Muhammad was in part by suggestion by his friends and followers because Umar told us that not once, or twice but at three different times what he suggested to Muhammad was later claimed by Muhammad to be a revelation from Allah and such is part of the the Quran today.


"Narrated By 'Umar (bin Al-Khattab)
My Lord agreed with me in three things:

1. I said,"O Allah's Apostle, I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g.two Rakat of Tawaf of Ka'ba)". (2.125)

2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.

3. Once the wives of the Prophet made a united front against the Prophet and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
-Sahih Bukhari 1:8:395


Also, Muhammad knew that Umar and others may be interested in taking over his wives after he had died, that's why he formed a revelation that nobody should marry his wives when he died.


"O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 53)
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 6:22am On Jan 07
ANTIlSLAM:


Where is Aamin or Ameen written in Quran?

Shey allah instructed you to say Aamin or Ameen?

As if Islam is only from the Qu'ran. Stop mentioning me in asinine comments.

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 7:55am On Jan 07
AntiChristian:


As if Islam is only from the Qu'ran. Stop mentioning me in asinine comments.

What am I saying what's this "KEFERI" saying, where is Aamin or Ameen written in Quran is what I'm asking you
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 10:07am On Jan 07
ANTIlSLAM:


What am I saying what's this "KEFERI" saying, where is Aamin or Ameen written in Quran is what I'm asking you

Of cos I am a keferi in as I disbelieve in Jesus as my personal Lord and savior.

Why would Aamin be in the Qur'an? Aamin no dey dere.

Jesus Christ did prayed several times in the Bible. Show us where he said "Amen" after the Lord's prayer or after any other prayer?

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 11:25am On Jan 07
AntiChristian:


Of cos I am a keferi in as I disbelieve in Jesus as my personal Lord and savior.

Why would Aamin be in the Qur'an? Aamin no dey dere.

So Quran is NOT complete kwo?

Indeed you're a "KEFERI" You don't believe in Quran Jesus as your Saviour despite what allah ur god said in Quran 3:45

(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).


AntiChristian:


Jesus Christ did prayed several times in the Bible. Show us where he said "Amen" after the Lord's prayer or after any other prayer?


Are you too looking for an escaping route like your brother Empiree.. You want to involve Jesus Christ so as to cover up your shame

Jesus Christ is always alone praying to his father. Why laying emphasis on Lord's Prayer since Jesus Christ himself is LORD? One of his disciples came unto him to teach them how to pray, that's what brought about THE LORD'S PRAYER. "KAFIR" don't be confused, he taught them THE LORD'S PRAYER..


Revelation 22:20-21

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen.
Come, Lord Jesus. The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 5:53pm On Jan 07
ANTIlSLAM:


So Quran is NOT complete kwo?

Indeed you're a "KEFERI" You don't believe in Quran Jesus as your Saviour despite what allah ur god said in Quran 3:45

(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

Scammer! Why not quote the full context of the verses? If it's not complete go and complete it.

The Qu'ran and Sunnah suffice all Muslims.


Are you too looking for an escaping route like your brother Empiree.. You want to involve Jesus Christ so as to cover up your shame

Jesus Christ is always alone praying to his father. Why laying emphasis on Lord's Prayer since Jesus Christ himself is LORD? One of his disciples came unto him to teach them how to pray, that's what brought about THE LORD'S PRAYER. "KAFIR" don't be confused, he taught them THE LORD'S PRAYER..

Revelation 22:20-21

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen.
Come, Lord Jesus. The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

See am again! Is Jesus the one saying amen in revelations?

Jesus prayed many times, where did he ever mention Amen after prayer? So why do you say amen? Why do you dance and clap if Jesus never did them during his lifetime?

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 7:09pm On Jan 07
AntiChristian:


Scammer! Why not quote the full context of the verses? If it's not complete go and complete it.


"Kafir" You wan pass your anger on me abi, shey na be the guy dat is beating hell out of you nii? But you see the word "MESSIAH" from the verse nah abi you wan fight allah as well?


AntiChristian:


See am again! Is Jesus the one saying amen in revelations?

Jesus prayed many times, where did he ever mention Amen after prayer? So why do you say amen? Why do you dance and clap if Jesus never did them during his lifetime?

You wan take Surat Jesus, Dance and clap escape abi grin

You gat eyes but can't see again because of the stroke my guy is giving you..

I said Jesus Christ always prayed alone, the context of his prayer not stated in the Bible because he's always alone with his father who knows if he says Amen or NOT..

Maywhile, I shown you a verse in Bible where Amen was divinely revealed but since allah and his angels prayed for Muhammad, why is AMEN missing in ur quran thought you said quran is complete without hadith?
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 9:11pm On Jan 07
ANTIlSLAM:


"Kafir" You wan pass your anger on me abi, shey na be the guy dat is beating hell out of you nii? But you see the word "MESSIAH" from the verse nah abi you wan fight allah as well?

Quote the context of the verses and stop bullshitting here


You wan take Surat Jesus, Dance and clap escape abi grin

You gat eyes but can't see again because of the stroke my guy is giving you..

I said Jesus Christ always prayed alone, the context of his prayer not stated in the Bible because he's always alone with his father who knows if he says Amen or NOT..

Maywhile, I shown you a verse in Bible where Amen was divinely revealed but since allah and his angels prayed for Muhammad, why is AMEN missing in ur quran thought you said quran is complete without hadith?

Only a nincompoop would say the Qu'ran is incomplete without Hadith. Allah says several times in the Qu'ran "Obey Allah and obey His messenger. Obeying Allah is following the Qu'ran. How do we obey His messenger if not by following the ahadith?

I don't think you can understand. The Qu'ran is not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul...
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:32pm On Jan 07
AntiChristian:


Quote the context of the verses and stop bullshitting here

Context of which verses again Broda KEFERI?


AntiChristian:


Only a nincompoop would say the Qu'ran is incomplete without Hadith. Allah says several times in the Qu'ran "Obey Allah and obey His messenger. Obeying Allah is following the Qu'ran. How do we obey His messenger if not by following the ahadith?

I don't think you can understand. The Qu'ran is not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul...

Where in quran does allah says you should obey Muhammad's hadith? You're still showing the level of your kafir here, my Guy is coming for you as usual
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by advocatejare(m): 7:24am On Jan 08
AntiChristian:

The Qu'ran is not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul...
You're right. The Qur'an was written by Uthman, Zaid ibn Thabit, Ibn Mujahid and other scribes.


And why are you getting angry that you're a keferi? It was your fellow Muslim that said so and you couldn't contest it

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 9:25am On Jan 08
advocatejare:

You're right. The Qur'an was written by Uthman, Zaid ibn Thabit, Ibn Mujahid and other scribes.
I no get time for argument again. We will keep repeating the same thing all the time. Even if they wrote it, they were of the best companions close to the Prophet till his death.

How many of Jesus companion wrote the Bible? Paul was never one of Jesus' disciples yet he wrote 14 Books of the New Testament. Even the old testament were written by unknown authors that can't be authenticated.


And why are you getting angry that you're a keferi? It was your fellow Muslim that said so and you couldn't contest it

Ogbeni bara e da soun jare. Wetin concern you with the affairs between us?
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 9:29am On Jan 08
ANTIlSLAM:


Context of which verses again Broda KEFERI?
The context of the Jesus Qura'an verse you quoted!




Where in quran does allah says you should obey Muhammad's hadith? You're still showing the level of your kafir here, my Guy is coming for you as usual

Proof of the importance of the Sunnah

(1) The Qur’aan speaks of the importance of the Sunnah, for example:

(a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80] Allaah described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(b) Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Nur 24:63]

(c) Allaah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty; resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: “”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]

(d) Allaah commands His slaves to respond to Him and His Messenger: “O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life . . .” [al-Anfaal 8:24]

(e) Allaah also commands His slaves to refer all disputes to him: “. . . (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

Culled from IslamQA

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by advocatejare(m): 10:54am On Jan 08
AntiChristian:

I no get time for argument again. We will keep repeating the same thing all the time. Even if they wrote it, they were of the best companions close to the Prophet till his death.
Was that why they burnt the original manuscripts after they modified and concocted everything together 20 years after Muhammad had died and Muhammad was not alive to verify what they wrote.

Muhammad died in 632 AD

Abu Bakr the first Caliph ruled for 2 years during which he started the first compilation and he completed it before he died and kept it.

The second caliph Umar ruled for 10 years from 634-644AD and he was in custody of manuscripts until he died after which Hafsa his daughter kept custody of it.

During the rule of Uthman (who ruled 12years after Muhammad had died) that is more than 12 years after the first Quran was compiled. Uthman ruled for 12years so in between those 12 years while he was ruling, people called his attention to the different ways people were reciting the Quran (which has been the norm even when Muhammad was alive and he didn't think of unifying the Quran into one dialect because Muhammad himself said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects)


But Uthman decided to unify the Quran into one standardized version when neither Allah nor Muhammad gave him such Instruction when he was alive.

So Uthman sent for the manuscript with Hafsa
"...So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies."... Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510


So Uthman then ordered his scribes to write the new Quran in the dialect of the Quraysh and when they were done with their editing and standardization they buried the evidence of their alterations by burning the evidence.


"...'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt..." Sahih Bukhari 6:61:510

Hence the Quran sent to all provinces were compiled during the reign of Uthman who started ruling 12 years after Muhammad died and ruled for another 12 Years and the compilation and editing was done within his 12 Years of rule, which was 652 A.D.20years after Muhammad had died

Also, as at that 652 A.D. there was no diacritical marks in Arabic language, it only came into existence in 8th century and the 9th century, long after Muhammad had died and long after Uthman had given out his own standardized version of the Quran

The arabic skeletal script is without the diacritical marks and vowelization:
Fathah = ah
Dhammah = oo
Kasrah = ii

None of the above dialect marks existed in the time of the prophet or Uthman in 652 AD and the present day Quran has them

That means nobody in the world has the original Quran with the original language without diacritical marks and vowelizations and that means the Quran compiled is not the same as the one Muhammad received

WHERE IS THE QURAN GIVEN TO MUHAMMAD?



Ogbeni bara e da soun jare. Wetin concern you with the affairs between us?
A Muslim is in the best position to know who a fake( Keferi) is and that Muslim has spoken and you couldn't refute it, so you should be the one to shut up.

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 12:09pm On Jan 08
AntiChristian:
The context of the Jesus Qura'an verse you quoted!

But you saw the word "MESSIAH" therein, isn't it? Why denying the fact that Jesus is NOT ur Messiah?


AntiChristian:


Proof of the importance of the Sunnah

(1) The Qur’aan speaks of the importance of the Sunnah, for example:

(a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80] Allaah described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

(b) Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Nur 24:63]

(c) Allaah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty; resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: “”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]

(d) Allaah commands His slaves to respond to Him and His Messenger: “O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life . . .” [al-Anfaal 8:24]

(e) Allaah also commands His slaves to refer all disputes to him: “. . . (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

Culled from IslamQA

I don't just understand the type and kind of your own KAFIR, maybe you don't read before pasting..

From all the gibberish talks you narrated above, where does allah says you should follow Muhammad's hadith ? That's the question before you NOT Superstory
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by malcom1X: 2:18pm On Jan 08
AntiChristian:


Scammer! Why not quote the full context of the verses? If it's not complete go and complete it.

The Qu'ran and Sunnah suffice all Muslims.



See am again! Is Jesus the one saying amen in revelations?

Jesus prayed many times, where did he ever mention Amen after prayer? So why do you say amen? Why do you dance and clap if Jesus never did them during his lifetime?


Matthew 6:13
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Antiislam here it is
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 2:43pm On Jan 08
malcom1X:



Matthew 6:13
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Matthew 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.

Antiislam here it is

I just checked the translation of those verses "Amen" is not there. The "Amen in the KJV was an insertion not in the original manuscripts.

Matthew 6:13
New International Version
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'

New Living Translation
And don’t let us yield to temptation, but rescue us from the evil one.

English Standard Version
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

Berean Study Bible
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’

Berean Literal Bible
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.'

Matthew 28:20
New International Version
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

New Living Translation
Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

English Standard Version
teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Berean Study Bible
and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Berean Literal Bible
teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And behold, I am with you all the days, until the completion of the age."

Thank you.
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 2:52pm On Jan 08
ANTIlSLAM:


But you saw the word "MESSIAH" therein, isn't it? Why denying the fact that Jesus is NOT ur Messiah?

Do you know the meaning of context? Tell us the context of the verse you quoted?



I don't just understand the type and kind of your own KAFIR, maybe you don't read before pasting..

From all the gibberish talks you narrated above, where does allah says you should follow Muhammad's hadith ? That's the question before you NOT Superstory

This guy can't even comprehend a few passage.

Let me break it down to your level. Ahadith or Sunnah are the traditions, sayings, deeds, approvals of the Prophet. Following it is equal to obeying the Prophet.

So you can now read the previous post and understand it.
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 6:51pm On Jan 08
AntiChristian:


Do you know the meaning of context? Tell us the context of the verse you quoted?

See this KAFIR, you want to pass your anger on me, that guy will teach you what you seems NOT to understand till your brain is reset


AntiChristian:



This guy can't even comprehend a few passage.

Let me break it down to your level. Ahadith or Sunnah are the traditions, sayings, deeds, approvals of the Prophet. Following it is equal to obeying the Prophet.

So you can now read the previous post and understand it.


Ur god allah said you should follow Muhammad does allah says you should follow his hadith? Mba, you are indeed "KEFERI" or allah recognized any hadith? That's why the guy is teaching you lesson
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 7:00pm On Jan 08
ANTIlSLAM:


See this KAFIR, you want to pass your anger on me, that guy will teach you what you seems NOT to understand till your brain is reset




Ur god allah said you should follow Muhammad does allah says you should follow his hadith? Mba, you are indeed "KEFERI" or allah recognized any hadith? That's why the guy is teaching you lesson

Olódò how do you follow someone if not by following his narrations (ahadith)

Abeg shift jare.
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 7:22pm On Jan 08
AntiChristian:


Olódò how do you follow someone if not by following his narrations (ahadith)

Abeg shift jare.

Kafir, which of the hadiths does allah recognized? Or you want to run 4-40 comot for this question as usual
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by Xmuslim: 10:20pm On Jan 08
Qur'an is not from any God. It was written by Muhammad and his friends

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 6:58am On Jan 09
ANTIlSLAM:


Kafir, which of the hadiths does allah recognized? Or you want to run 4-40 comot for this question to as usual

Did Jesus or Yahweh recognize the Bible anywhere in the Bible?

You keep type senselessly.
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 7:32am On Jan 09
AntiChristian:


Did Jesus or Yahweh recognize the Bible anywhere in the Bible?

You keep type senselessly.

SUFI, You've started again using question to answer question. See I'll answer ur question but pls answer mine first
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by RightChannel: 5:07am On Jan 13
AntiChristian:


Did Jesus or Yahweh recognize the Bible anywhere in the Bible?

Yes Bible is recognized, Bible don't need any book to make it a whole unlike Quran that needs hadith before completed.

NB: Answer ANTIlSLAM question, don't use question to answer question as he said

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Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by AntiChristian: 7:36am On Jan 14
RightChannel:


Yes Bible is recognized, Bible don't need any book to make it a whole unlike Quran that needs hadith before completed.

NB: Answer ANTIlSLAM question, don't use question to answer question as he said

Where is the Bible recognized in the Bible?

Saying the Qu'ran needs hadith to be complete shows how ignorant you are.

I determine how I answer questions not you.
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by RightChannel: 3:29pm On Jan 14
AntiChristian:


Where is the Bible recognized in the Bible?

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Even quran recognized Holy Bible likewise

Quran 10:94 - And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.


AntiChristian:


Saying the Qu'ran needs hadith to be complete shows how ignorant you are.

I determine how I answer questions not you.

Let's see who is ignorant between you and I

Question No. 1


Allah says in the Qur'an (Surah 75:19) that the Qur'an will be recited. But then in the verse right after (verse 20) it is also said that the Qur'an will be explained. If the Qur'an is self-explanatory then the only thing that needs to be done is reciting it out. However, in verse 19 the function of reciting is done and then in the verse right after, the function of explaining is done. Clearly these are two different tasks, which mean that reading the Qur'an alone would not give you the full explanation required. It has to be explained through some other source. What is that other source?


Question 2:

How do you know how to pray using the Quran alone?


Question 3:

How do you know how much Zakah to pay using the Quran alone?


Question 4:

Surah 33:21 says you have the Messenger as a good example to follow. How would you know his example without the hadith?
Re: Umar Vs Holy Prophet: Battle For Superiority by ANTIlSLAM(m): 4:02pm On Jan 14
AntiChristian me too wan drop my question

How do you know how to perform ablution using only Quran?

Shey allah perform ablution when he prayed for Muhammad?

'Verily, Allah and His angels pray (yusalloona) for the prophet. O ye who believe! Pray for him (salloo) and salute him with a salutation!'

Surah 33:56

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