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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 3:43pm On Jan 14, 2021
DappaD:


Ohh but I thought you're of the opinion that all good people go to heaven? Where is this one coming from again? Mr KNOWMORE56 seek the accurate knowledge of the truth so that you won't be swindled by false teachings. John 8:32, Ephesians 4:14
There is no such thing as personal interpretation/opinion of the scriptures. 2Peter 1:20. The truth is only ONE. Ephesians 4:3-6
Seek the truth now so that you might be amongst the millions of men and women on earth who will enjoy the blessings listed at Revelation 21:1-5.

One of the everlasting truth is WHOEVER WILL... apart from the 1000 years no any child of God is given any rulership position. They are all brethren saved by grace.

*. Revelations 22 :17 "KJV:And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, COME. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, LET HIM TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY."

God is not separating some of his children up and some down.

The angel said to John "I AM YOUR FELLOW SERVANT"

*. Revelation 19:10 "
KJV:And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I AM THY FELLOWSERVANT, AND OF THY BRETHREN THAT HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."

so, what do you say is the reason for the separation?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 3:50pm On Jan 14, 2021
bixton:



I know. Some interpretation tend to be taken literally while some have some of spiritual insights.
We are all learning.
The most important thing is that let us not miss our ticket to heaven or paradise as the case may be. The race is not who knows it all or who is first or last but the one whom God has appointed through His Son Jesus Christ.

It's well...may the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be sufficient for those who ask for it.

See you at His feet...

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by DappaD: 4:55pm On Jan 14, 2021
KNOWMORE56:


One of the everlasting truth is WHOEVER WILL... apart from the 1000 years no any child of God is given any rulership position. They are all brethren saved by grace.
. Revelations 22 :17 "KJV:And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, COME. And let him that is athirst come. And WHOSOEVER WILL, LET HIM TAKE THE WATER OF LIFE FREELY."
God is not separating some of his children up and some down.
The angel said to John "I AM YOUR FELLOW SERVANT"
*. Revelation 19:10 "
KJV:And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I AM THY FELLOWSERVANT, AND OF THY BRETHREN THAT HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."





so, what do you say is the reason for the separation?




After saying the highlighted, you’ll still come across Revelation 21:1 that mentions a “new heavens” and a “new earth” and you’ll be puzzled over what they truly mean because you lack the accurate knowledge.
After the 1,000-year rule of Jesus Christ, all who remain on earth will finally be earthly sons and daughters of the true God as that had always been God’s plan. Genesis 1:28
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by reubenobi(m): 5:09pm On Jan 14, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Apart from Muslims who spitefully opposes the phrase "Children of God" all the religious groups on this planet are claiming Children of God even Guru Maharaj and you can also try Osun/ Ogun/ Obatala/ Sango/ Oya/ Ifa/ Osanyin and so on all these groups strongly believe they're sons and daughters of God! cheesy
And there is no difference between their attitude individually and people from all other religions (including Jehovah's Witnesses) the only thing that distinguish JWs from all other religious groups is the LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL reigning in their midst {Galatians 5:22-23} apart from that humans are humans everywhere.
Jesus promised that God's holy spirit will help his own followers to be unique not individually because nice people can be found in all religious groups as well as wicked people but within the GROUP where Holy Spirit is working the whole world will notice a striking distinction! Matthew 5:13-16 smiley


you are really funny, so the nice people that are not in your group will go where? From your write up, it shows you are judging your group by mere appearance. Can you read their heart?

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by achorladey: 5:58pm On Jan 14, 2021
reubenobi:
you are really funny, so the nice people that are not in your group will go where? From your write up, it shows you are judging your group by mere appearance. Can you read their heart?


He had used his own very hands to type that not all JWs are REALLY JWs grin cheesy grin

You should understand what that means grin cheesy.

He has equally said all JWs are sinners like other Christian denominations and that they are equally under the INFLUENCE of SATAN grin cheesy grin

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:32pm On Jan 14, 2021
During the day of Noah most people outside the Ark suffered the same evil that Noah and his family suffered from the giants, it wasn't all of them that were evil and not only Noah's family that was good. The only difference is they were able to RECOGNIZE the means of salvation and they acted accordingly! Matthew 24:37-39; Luke 17:26-30
Do you think it was everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah that were evil? NO! But they didn't acknowledge Lot's righteousness so when lot was leaving he called his daughter's suitors but they turned down his divinely given order.
Do you still remember Rahab of Jericho? She was a PROSTITUTE something detestable to most people of her time, do you think people who knew her will like to come and stay with her in her house that's known for prostitution?
Well what made all these people different?
They were not holier than others but they recognized those whom God is instructing for salvation!
Listen to what Rahab said "i know JEHOVAH (your God) will do exactly as he said, but please i'm not against you people, whatever you ask me to do i will do just to save myself and my family" Joshua 2:9-13
So what did God ask from Rahab?
Recognition of God's Organization and humbly taking instructions through that means!
The same is applicable to all the others. If you're thinking some people most be holy before you believe they're God's people then you're lost.
What you should look out for is the mark God foretells about the Organization or Group he will use as the means of salvation!
Jesus is God's son, all what God is requesting from each individual globally is how to recognize Jesus and his group! Failure to recognize them means damnation, no matter how nice or good you may think you are God is not interested in your self assumption. I was still a Muslim when i realized this, that's why i began looking for that group.
Forever nice people will always be found amongst those marked for destruction. WHY?
They failed to recognize the means of salvation!
I have given more than enough signs why JW Organization is that GROUP but if you think that's not convincing enough i wish you the best! smiley


reubenobi:
you are really funny, so the nice people that are not in your group will go where? From your write up, it shows you are judging your group by mere appearance. Can you read their heart?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by reubenobi(m): 6:46pm On Jan 14, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
During the day of Noah most people outside the Ark suffered the same evil that Noah and his family suffered from the giants, it wasn't all of them that were evil and not only Noah's family that was good. The only difference is they were able to RECOGNIZE the means of salvation and they acted accordingly! Matthew 24:37-39; Luke 17:26-30
Do you think it was everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah that were evil? NO! But they didn't acknowledge Lot's righteousness so when lot was leaving he called his daughter's suitors but they turned down his divinely given order.
Do you still remember Rahab of Jericho? She was a PROSTITUTE something detestable to most people of her time, do you think people who knew her will like to come and stay with her in her house that's known for prostitution?
Well what made all these people different?
They were not holier than others but they recognized those whom God is instructing for salvation!
Listen to what Rahab said "i know JEHOVAH (your God) will do exactly as he said, but please i'm not against you people, whatever you ask me to do i will do just to save myself and my family" Joshua 2:9-13
So what did God ask from Rahab?
Recognition of God's Organization and humbly taking instructions through that means!
The same is applicable to all the others. If you're thinking some people most be holy before you believe they're God's people then you're lost.
What you should look out for is the mark God foretells about the Organization or Group he will use as the means of salvation!
Jesus is God's son, all what God is requesting from each individual globally is how to recognize Jesus and his group! Failure to recognize them means damnation, no matter how nice or good you may think you are God is not interested in your self assumption. I was still a Muslim when i realized this, that's why i began looking for that group.
Forever nice people will always be found amongst those marked for destruction. WHY?
They failed to recognize the means of salvation!
I have given more than enough signs why JW Organization is that GROUP but if you think that's not convincing enough i wish you the best! smiley


When I say you are really funny, you thought I was joking abi. So to get salvation, someone must locate the group called Jehovah Witness? May God help your kinds!
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:52pm On Jan 14, 2021
Just as usual! You don't have questions for me today but to ship in your unfaithfulness!

Know today that individually nobody can meet up with God's requirements for salvation now! That's why those who are chosen for heavenly hope are called by the underserved kindness or Grace of God. God selects them out of his own infinite mercy, but after the destruction of this generation of faithless people God will give us 1,000 years to meet up with his requirements, that's when each one of us must be completely pure as in holy NOT NOW!
What God is looking for in each individual today is the humbleness to acknowledge his Organization and start working out our salvation by taking instructions through that means not holiness! Those whom God declared holy are the born again Christians and he did not because they measure up to his divine required standard but by GRACE (UNDESERVED KINDNESS) smiley




achorladey:

He had used his own very hands to type that not all JWs are REALLY JWs grin cheesy grin
You should understand what that means grin cheesy.
He has equally said all JWs are sinners like other Christian denominations and that they are equally under the INFLUENCE of SATAN grin cheesy grin
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:02pm On Jan 14, 2021
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa my guy!
All you need is to study your Bible diligently to know the mark of recognition!
May God help you! Remember that only Christians will be saved {John 3:16-18} so what do you think a Muslim or other religionists should do? smiley
OK you think God will just approve them simply because they're nice shey? smiley
Well you asked a question that requires an answer.
To get salvation, you must welcome all people who come to visit you in the name of God, discuss with them to know what God requires, by spending your precious with them God's angels will take note of you and your name entering their list is sure! Malachi 3:16-18 compared to Matthew 10:11-15
Do you still remember how many times you drove away preachers telling them "i have my own religion?"
So how many people in your neighbourhood knew you as an evangelizer of God's word?
Read those cited texts carefully and meditate thoroughly, perhaps you can save yourself from this crooked generation! Zephaniah 2:2-3 smiley

reubenobi:
When I say you are really funny, you thought I was joking abi. So to get salvation, someone must locate the group called Jehovah Witness? May God help your kinds!
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by reubenobi(m): 7:08pm On Jan 14, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa my guy!
All you need is to study your Bible diligently to know the mark of recognition!
May God help you! Remember that only Christians will be saved {John 3:16-18} so what do you think a Muslim or other religionists should do? smiley
OK you think God will just approve them simply because they're nice shey? smiley
Well you asked a question that requires an answer.
To get salvation, you must welcome all people who come to visit you in the name of God, discuss with them to know what God requires, by spending your precious with them God's angels will take note of you and your name entering their list is sure! Malachi 3:16-18 compared to Matthew 10:11-15
Do you still remember how many times you drove away preachers telling them "i have my own religion?"
So how many people in your neighbourhood knew you as an evangelizer of God's word?
Read those cited texts carefully and meditate thoroughly, perhaps you can save yourself from this crooked generation! Zephaniah 2:2-3 smiley

hahaha!!! Just directly say I shouldn't drive away Jehovah Witnesses.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:42pm On Jan 14, 2021
I myself wasn't born as one of them! smiley
Just as Rahab acknowledged them and said "i will go with you people because i can SEE that God is with you people" {Zechariah 8:23 compared to Joshua 2:11} Their God greatly rewarded that prostitute, did you know that anytime, anywhere and anyday people talk about Jesus' genealogy Rahab's name will appear in the list? Matthew 1:5
Well that's her reward for acknowledging God's people, apart from saving herself and her family, Rahab's name (prostitute) was written in the book of Life all because she acknowledged God's people!

Thanks my friend and may God bless you! smiley


reubenobi:
hahaha!!! Just directly say I shouldn't drive away Jehovah Witnesses.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by achorladey: 7:53pm On Jan 14, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Just as usual! You don't have questions for me today but to ship in your unfaithfulness!

Know today that individually nobody can meet up with God's requirements for salvation now! That's why those who are chosen for heavenly hope are called by the underserved kindness or Grace of God. God selects them out of his own infinite mercy, but after the destruction of this generation of faithless people God will give us 1,000 years to meet up with his requirements, that's when each one of us must be completely pure as in holy NOT NOW!
What God is looking for in each individual today is the humbleness to acknowledge his Organization and start working out our salvation by taking instructions through that means not holiness! Those whom God declared holy are the born again Christians and he did not because they measure up to his divine required standard but by GRACE (UNDESERVED KINDNESS) smiley





What God is looking for in each individual today is the humbleness to acknowledge his Organization and start working out our salvation by taking instructions through that means not holiness


Thank you for telling us you don't need UNDESERVED KINDNESS. I am familiar with your gospel grin grin cheesy. See the below scriptures as it applies to your post above...........

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.

12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age


, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.


Read the scriptures from today till tomorrow. You will never see where the scriptures asked anyone to ACKNOWLEDGED an ORGANIZATION that started +/- 140 years grin cheesy grin. and takes instruction from that ORGANIZATION to get saved.

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 12:17pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Apart from Muslims who spitefully opposes the phrase "Children of God" all the religious groups on this planet are claiming Children of God even Guru Maharaj and you can also try Osun/ Ogun/ Obatala/ Sango/ Oya/ Ifa/ Osanyin and so on all these groups strongly believe they're sons and daughters of God! cheesy
And there is no difference between their attitude individually and people from all other religions (including Jehovah's Witnesses) the only thing that distinguish JWs from all other religious groups is the LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL reigning in their midst {Galatians 5:22-23} apart from that humans are humans everywhere.
Jesus promised that God's holy spirit will help his own followers to be unique not individually because nice people can be found in all religious groups as well as wicked people but within the GROUP where Holy Spirit is working the whole world will notice a striking distinction! Matthew 5:13-16 smiley

"...BECAUSE NICE PEOPLE CAN BE FOUND IN ALL RELIGIOUS GROUPS AS WELL AS WICKED PEOPLE..."
" For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" is God's verdict on ALL ( not some)

All human beings are HIS children by creation...

2nd birth=born again becomes very necessary to be a child of God...

You have never talked about HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS which is the main emphasis God gives in the Word:

*. Luke 1:74 "KJV:That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75
KJV:In HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS before him, all the days of our life."

other places: Hebrews 12:14; Romans 6:22; 2 Corinthians 7:1; 1 Thessalonians 4:7; and many more.

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:57pm On Jan 15, 2021
Are you for real or you're just deceiving yourself? smiley

How can anyone attain the highlighted without ASSOCIATING WITH THE ORGANIZATION OF THOSE WORKING TOWARDS IT? Hebrew 10:24-25 smiley

Why deceive yourself? To be righteous and holy is what brought millions together under one umbrella so that those who don't want to comply with the standards remain outside the camp (Organization) of God! 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 smiley

KNOWMORE56:

"...BECAUSE NICE PEOPLE CAN BE FOUND IN ALL RELIGIOUS GROUPS AS WELL AS WICKED PEOPLE..."
" For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" is God's verdict on ALL ( not some)
All human beings are HIS children by creation...
2nd birth=born again becomes very necessary to be a child of God...

You have never talked about HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS which is the main emphasis God gives in the Word

*. Luke 1:74 "KJV:That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75
KJV:In HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS before him, all the days of our life."
other places: Hebrews 12:14; Romans 6:22; 2 Corinthians 7:1; 1 Thessalonians 4:7; and many more.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 1:58pm On Jan 15, 2021
DappaD:


After saying the highlighted, you’ll still come across Revelation 21:1 that mentions a “new heavens” and a “new earth” and you’ll be puzzled over what they truly mean because you lack the accurate knowledge.
After the 1,000-year rule of Jesus Christ, all who remain on earth will finally be earthly sons and daughters of the true God as that had always been God’s plan. Genesis 1:28


The only separation found in the Word is between sheep and goats ( Matthew 25:32-33).

All the sheep shall be in one place (the kingdom of God the Son) with Jesus...( John 14:1-5; revelation 21: 3; Matthew 25:34).

In the same way, all the goats shall be in one place ( the lake of fire) with the devil...( Matthew 25:41; revelation 20:10-15)

How watch tower wants us to accept it narration more than the Word is ludicrous.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 2:24pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
During the day of Noah most people outside the Ark suffered the same evil that Noah and his family suffered from the giants, it wasn't all of them that were evil and not only Noah's family that was good. The only difference is they were able to RECOGNIZE the means of salvation and they acted accordingly! Matthew 24:37-39; Luke 17:26-30
Do you think it was everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah that were evil? NO! But they didn't acknowledge Lot's righteousness so when lot was leaving he called his daughter's suitors but they turned down his divinely given order.
Do you still remember Rahab of Jericho? She was a PROSTITUTE something detestable to most people of her time, do you think people who knew her will like to come and stay with her in her house that's known for prostitution?
Well what made all these people different?
They were not holier than others but they recognized those whom God is instructing for salvation!
Listen to what Rahab said "i know JEHOVAH (your God) will do exactly as he said, but please i'm not against you people, whatever you ask me to do i will do just to save myself and my family" Joshua 2:9-13
So what did God ask from Rahab?
Recognition of God's Organization and humbly taking instructions through that means!
The same is applicable to all the others. If you're thinking some people most be holy before you believe they're God's people then you're lost.
What you should look out for is the mark God foretells about the Organization or Group he will use as the means of salvation!
Jesus is God's son, all what God is requesting from each individual globally is how to recognize Jesus and his group! Failure to recognize them means damnation, no matter how nice or good you may think you are God is not interested in your self assumption. I was still a Muslim when i realized this, that's why i began looking for that group.
Forever nice people will always be found amongst those marked for destruction. WHY?
They failed to recognize the means of salvation!
I have given more than enough signs why JW Organization is that GROUP but if you think that's not convincing enough i wish you the best! smiley

The testimony of the All-knowing God about Noah is " ONLY YOU ( no others) HAVE I FOUND RIGHTEOUS..."
*. Genesis 5:9 "KJV:These are the generations of Noah: NOAH WAS A JUST MAN AND PERFECT in his generations, and NOAH WALKED WITH GOD."
*. Genesis 7:1 "KJV:And THE LORD SAID unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for THE E HAVE I SEEN RIGHTEOUS BEFORE ME IN THIS GENERATION."

O Maximus, shall we disagree with God and accept your narration?

As for the harlot you made mention, the main thing that saved her is OBEDIENCE TO THE INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN TO HER

Having short herself in ( one of the instructions), she is no longer practicing the act = repentance!

IT IS HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS BEFORE HIM that will do on the day of judgement!

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 2:26pm On Jan 15, 2021
[quote author=reubenobi post=98060472]When I say you are really funny, you thought I was joking abi. So to get salvation, someone must locate the group called Jehovah Witness? May God help your kinds![/quote

Amen!!

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 2:45pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Just as usual! You don't have questions for me today but to ship in your unfaithfulness!

Know today that individually nobody can meet up with God's requirements for salvation now! That's why those who are chosen for heavenly hope are called by the underserved kindness or Grace of God. God selects them out of his own infinite mercy, but after the destruction of this generation of faithless people God will give us 1,000 years to meet up with his requirements, that's when each one of us must be completely pure as in holy NOT NOW!
What God is looking for in each individual today is the humbleness to acknowledge his Organization and start working out our salvation by taking instructions through that means not holiness! Those whom God declared holy are the born again Christians and he did not because they measure up to his divine required standard but by GRACE (UNDESERVED KINDNESS) smiley

"... GOD WILL GIVE US 1,000 YEARS TO MEET UP WITH HIS REQUIREMENTS..."

Lol!!, another version of purgatory!

You are correct about grace (that is what I see in the Word - Ephesians 2:v8) the Word also says that the grace is for ALL ( not some 144,000 only)
*. Titus 2: 11 "KJV:For THE GRACE OF GOD THAT BRINGETH SALVATION HATH APPEARED TO ALL MEN,"

O Maximus, who should we believe: the watch tower or the Word?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:15pm On Jan 15, 2021
You're now coming to understand what i've been saying since! smiley
So if Noah was noticed by God as a righteous man. Note that it was God himself that declared Noah righteous in his own generation, people back then will also practice their own form of righteousness but God chose Noah!

what about his wife, sons and daughters in-law were they also righteous than everyone living back then or they RECOGNIZED the means of Salvation (righteous Noah) ? smiley

About Rahab, sure she RECOGNIZED God's people and ready to OBEY whatever they asked her to do so as to save herself and her family!
She wasn't more righteous than other inhabitants of Jericho, and regarding her means of livelihood (prostitution) it's after she joined God's people that she will learn from them what God says about her job so she took action to be on the side of God's people before leaving prostitution! smiley


KNOWMORE56:

The testimony of the All-knowing God about Noah is " ONLY YOU ( no others) HAVE I FOUND RIGHTEOUS..."
*. Genesis 5:9 "KJV:These are the generations of Noah: NOAH WAS A JUST MAN AND PERFECT in his generations, and NOAH WALKED WITH GOD."
*. Genesis 7:1 "KJV:And THE LORD SAID unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for THE E HAVE I SEEN RIGHTEOUS BEFORE ME IN THIS GENERATION."
O Maximus, shall we disagree with God and accept your narration?
As for the harlot you made mention, the main thing that saved her is OBEDIENCE TO THE INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN TO HER
Having short herself in ( one of the instructions), she is no longer practicing the act = repentance!
IT IS HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS BEFORE HIM that will do on the day of judgement!
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:27pm On Jan 15, 2021
The grace is for all because while we were yet sinners God extended his hands to rescue us from sin {Romans 5:8} but the first set to benefit from his underserved kindness (Grace) is the 144,000. The rest are still counted as DEAD (spiritually speaking){Luke 9:60} until after the 1,000 years were ended! Revelations 20:5

So while the first set of resurrected ones (144,000) move directly to heaven, the remaining will face Satan's second phase of temptation and it's only after they're certified before God counts them as part of the living! Revelations 20:6

Please if you feel that you're OK with what you know just leave Maximus alone because the more you ask questions, the more you'll receive shocking revelations of TRUTH! smiley



KNOWMORE56:

"... GOD WILL GIVE US 1,000 YEARS TO MEET UP WITH HIS REQUIREMENTS..."
Lol!!, another version of purgatory!
You are correct about grace (that is what I see in the Word - Ephesians 2:v8) the Word also says that the grace is for ALL ( not some 144,000 only)
*. Titus 2: 11 "KJV:For THE GRACE OF GOD THAT BRINGETH SALVATION HATH APPEARED TO ALL MEN,"
O Maximus, who should we believe: the watch tower or the Word?
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 3:49pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
I myself wasn't born as one of them! smiley
Just as Rahab acknowledged them and said "i will go with you people because i can SEE that God is with you people" {Zechariah 8:23 compared to Joshua 2:11} Their God greatly rewarded that prostitute, did you know that anytime, anywhere and anyday people talk about Jesus' genealogy Rahab's name will appear in the list? Matthew 1:5
Well that's her reward for acknowledging God's people, apart from saving herself and her family, Rahab's name (prostitute) was written in the book of Life all because she acknowledged God's people!
Thanks my friend and may God bless you! smiley

The following are the steps taken by Rahab which led to her deliverance:

- FAITH (Hebrews 11:6): even though she was not there when the Israelites defeated their enemies, she just believe the whole thing (Joshua 2:9-11);

- PRAYER (Matthew 7:7): she made request, she desired, she prayed... ( Joshua 2:12-13);

- OBEDIENCE ( Genesis 22:18; Jeremiah 7:23; John 14:21-24): she obeyed the conditions given to her, this made her to stop prostitution and remain separated ( Joshua 2: 17-21; 2 Corinthians 6:17)

As it was then so it is now WHOSOEVER shall take these steps shall be saved...

That is,- BELIEVE that Jesus died and resurrected for you...( Romans 9:9-10)

-PRAY for forgiveness and grace for new life...( Acts 8:22)

-OBEY the Word of God...( 1 Peter 1:22)

May God bless all who love the Word!
Amen!!

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 3:59pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Are you for real or you're just deceiving yourself? smiley

How can anyone attain the highlighted without ASSOCIATING WITH THE ORGANIZATION OF THOSE WORKING TOWARDS IT? Hebrew 10:24-25 smiley

Why deceive yourself? To be righteous and holy is what brought millions together under one umbrella so that those who don't want to comply with the standards remain outside the camp (Organization) of God! 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 smiley

".. HOW CAN ANYONE ATTAIN THE HIGHLIGHTED... "

the simple answer given in the Word is ASK AND IT SHALL BE GIVEN YOU" Matthew 7:7
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Splinz(m): 4:01pm On Jan 15, 2021
Hello sir, greetings.

MaxInDHouse:
Well Abraham, Isaac and Jacob weren't Christians so they can't be partakers of what belongs only to Born Again Christians! Matthew 11:11

Sorry, this is not right.

And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise (Galatians 3:29)
.

Christians are also called children of Abraham and heirs of the same promise God made to him and his descendants. In other word, the very faith that Christians holds today is nothing new. In a sense, Abraham is the pioneer of Christianity, seeing that he's the father of the faithful (Romans 4:16).

Actually, it is what was promised to Abraham that Christians are partakers of, and not the reversed.

Regards.

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 4:10pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
You're now coming to understand what i've been saying since! smiley
So if Noah was noticed by God as a righteous man. Note that it was God himself that declared Noah righteous in his own generation, people back then will also practice their own form of righteousness but God chose Noah!

what about his wife, sons and daughters in-law were they also righteous than everyone living back then or they RECOGNIZED the means of Salvation (righteous Noah) ? smiley

About Rahab, sure she RECOGNIZED God's people and ready to OBEY whatever they asked her to do so as to save herself and her family!
She wasn't more righteous than other inhabitants of Jericho, and regarding her means of livelihood (prostitution) it's after she joined God's people that she will learn from them what God says about her job so she took action to be on the side of God's people before leaving prostitution! smiley

The I AM THAT I AM does not have respect of persons.

Noah achieved the best evangelistic results
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 4:21pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
You're now coming to understand what i've been saying since! smiley
So if Noah was noticed by God as a righteous man. Note that it was God himself that declared Noah righteous in his own generation, people back then will also practice their own form of righteousness but God chose Noah!

what about his wife, sons and daughters in-law were they also righteous than everyone living back then or they RECOGNIZED the means of Salvation (righteous Noah) ? smiley

About Rahab, sure she RECOGNIZED God's people and ready to OBEY whatever they asked her to do so as to save herself and her family!
She wasn't more righteous than other inhabitants of Jericho, and regarding her means of livelihood (prostitution) it's after she joined God's people that she will learn from them what God says about her job so she took action to be on the side of God's people before leaving prostitution! smiley

The I AM THAT I AM does not have respect of persons.

Noah family members obeyed the same instructions as he did.( The best evangelistic results ever)

Lot's wife disobeyed the instructions and God did not consider Abraham and Lot...

If your reasons for being in the organization is because they told you that insurance cover you,
then you have been received!

*. 2 Corinthians 6 :17 "KJV:Wherefore COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM, AND BE YE SEPARATE, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I WILL RECEIVE YOU."

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:26pm On Jan 15, 2021
This Parable began it's fulfilment in the year 1914 when Jesus was enthroned in heaven, only JW Organization knew this!
Before then the fulfilment of the Parable of Jesus' fine seed and Satan's weed was coming to it's end {Matthew 13:24-30} after Jesus' ascension to heaven Satan's masterminded the extermination of the pioneers of Christianity and established the Antichrist (Pagan Roman Catholic Church) this continued to dominate the scene until America declared freedom of speech expression and worship. That's when Charles Taze Russell and his group could form a group of Bible students association, digging for Spiritual gems. And by the year 1914 Jesus was enthroned in heaven, he ousted Satan from heaven and began ruling. The effect of Jesus' rule took effect on earth 5 years later when God's Holy Spirit energized the GB of JWs to start the global preaching and teaching program. It's this program that helped millions out of Christendom today! Revelations 18:4

So the parable of sheep and goats is fulfilling presently but it's a pity most of you are blind to it.

Why do you think people from different races throughout the earth wholeheartedly became obedient to just a group of 8 old men?
Why do you think they willingly surrendered all their weapons to become harmless (even people from the world's most racist nations) bow to this group?
Why do you think there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating this single group?

Well i'll tell you the answer. They are the SHEEP that were separated from amongst the GOATS!
Note how rebellious all of you have become to your religious leaders because they've been deceiving and defrauding you people all these while, and note how millions have subjected themselves willingly under the umbrella of those 8 old men.

Perhaps you're expecting Jesus to open the sky and tell you "the GB of JWs are the remaining of my chosen LITTLE FLOCK" Jesus said if you fail to believe their undeniable achievement surely you won't believe even if you hear voices from the sky! Luke 16:31 smiley


KNOWMORE56:

The only separation found in the Word is between sheep and goats ( Matthew 25:32-33).
All the sheep shall be in one place (the kingdom of God the Son) with Jesus...( John 14:1-5; revelation 21: 3; Matthew 25:34).
In the same way, all the goats shall be in one place ( the lake of fire) with the devil...( Matthew 25:41; revelation 20:10-15)
How watch tower wants us to accept it narration more than the Word is ludicrous.

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:32pm On Jan 15, 2021
Partakers of the house of FAITH began with Abel Sir {Hebrew 11:4-32} but partakers of the kingdom rule belongs only to Born Again Christians none of those who lived before John (baptist) qualified for this special privilege! Matthew 11:11
Thanks! smiley


Splinz:

Hello sir, greetings.
Sorry, this is not right.
Christians are also called children of Abraham and heirs of the same promise God made to him and his descendants. In other word, the very faith that Christians holds today is nothing new. In a sense, Abraham is the pioneer of Christianity, seeing that he's the father of the faithful (Romans 4:16).
Actually, it is what was promised to Abraham that Christians are partakers of, and not the reversed.
Regards.
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:35pm On Jan 15, 2021
It's obvious you don't have further questions so let's go our separate ways for now!
Thanks for your time! smiley

KNOWMORE56:

The I AM THAT I AM does not have respect of persons. Noah family members obeyed the same instructions as he did.( The best evangelistic results ever) Lot's wife disobeyed the instructions and God did not consider Abraham and Lot... If your reasons for being in the organization is because they told you that insurance cover you,
then you have been received!
*. 2 Corinthians 6 :17 "KJV:Wherefore COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM, AND BE YE SEPARATE, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I WILL RECEIVE YOU."
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 4:50pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
The grace is for all because while we were yet sinners God extended his hands to rescue us from sin {Romans 5:8} but the first set to benefit from his underserved kindness (Grace) is the 144,000. The rest are still counted as DEAD (spiritually speaking){Luke 9:60} until after the 1,000 years were ended! Revelations 20:5

So while the first set of resurrected ones (144,000) move directly to heaven, the remaining will face Satan's second phase of temptation and it's only after they're certified before God counts them as part of the living! Revelations 20:6

Please if you feel that you're OK with what you know just leave Maximus alone because the more you ask questions, the more you'll receive shocking revelations of TRUTH! smiley

From the Word, grace has been since the world began - God creating man in His own image is unmerited favor.

Noah found grace in the eyes of God ( Genesis 6:v8)...

The Word says that fullness of grace/ abundance grace came through Jesus Christ...( John 1:16-17).

I'm not ok with what I know, but please tell me something out of the Word. I want to KNOWMORE!
Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Dblaiz(f): 5:03pm On Jan 15, 2021
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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by KNOWMORE56: 5:15pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
I myself wasn't born as one of them! smiley
Just as Rahab acknowledged them and said "i will go with you people because i can SEE that God is with you people" {Zechariah 8:23 compared to Joshua 2:11} Their God greatly rewarded that prostitute, did you know that anytime, anywhere and anyday people talk about Jesus' genealogy Rahab's name will appear in the list? Matthew 1:5
Well that's her reward for acknowledging God's people, apart from saving herself and her family, Rahab's name (prostitute) was written in the book of Life all because she acknowledged God's people!
Thanks my friend and may God bless you! smiley

Another thing I learn from the story of Rahab, the harlot, is that our God does not discriminate,

despite the fact that this woman is an inhabitant of the city marked for destruction.
God has respect for her FAITH, PRAYER and OBEDIENCE.

Note that she was safe/saved while in the city before she finally join the Israelites.

It is WHOEVER WILL my friend.

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Re: Since Jehovah's Witnesses Are Not Christians..what Do We Call Them? by Splinz(m): 6:03pm On Jan 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Partakers of the house of FAITH began with Abel Sir {Hebrew 11:4-32} but partakers of the kingdom rule belongs only to Born Again Christians none of those who lived before John (baptist) qualified for this special privilege! Matthew 11:11
Thanks! smiley



Thank you for your response.

However, there's nothing like partakers of FAITH and partakers of KINGDOM RULE, supposedly two separate rewards or privileges. Also, naming kingdom rule (as you called it) as something supposedly promised or reserved for Christians, shows that you don't know the scope of the promises God made to Abraham. Take a look:

For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God (Hebrews: 11:10).

This is talking of Abraham, that he, of course like true Christians today, was looking forward to a city whose builder and maker is God. This city is non other than the kingdom of God. Here:

For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world... (Romans 4:13).

Again, this speaks of Abraham, to show that the promise was that of ultimately inheriting the world, i.e, the universe. This is why Christians are children of Abraham and heirs according to the promise. And then speaking of the household of faith, here's it:

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith
(Galatians 6:10).

So you see sir, whether in faith or in rulership, Abraham and other faithful servants of God through the ages, and those alive today, are partakers.

Regards.

PS: The gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached right from the foundation of the world:
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began
(Acts 3:21).

So like I said earlier, there's nothing new in Christianity.

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