Abohboy:



There is no n sacrifice that was simply a propaganda created by the British there is no evidence whatsoever to support human sacrifice other than racist derogatory British cartoons, also don’t act as if Christians have never committed wars 8n the name of god, what about when god struck down 500 000 Israelites for no reason other than to prove his dominance. Remember ogun and all these deities are just normal people with very good skills, Christianity and Islam are both religions of oppression, racism and murder. Neither of them are equal to women, neither of them show equality, neither of them are peaceful, neither of them are for black people you need to get this in your skull

Abohboy:


Crusades is not the only example of violence in the history of Christianity remeber when god struck down 500 000 Israelite soldiers just to prove his dominance and power a true god would never do that,

2. If you don’t tamper with dead people why do you pray to saints and to Jesus they are all dead people who you generate so stop with this dead people nonsense

3. Christmas is actually a pagan holiday if you cared to research Christmas has nothing to do with the birth of Christ, Jesus was actually born in September or February if he were a real person, but the fact of the matter is that Christmas isn’t a Christian holiday it was created by the pagans, and Santa doesn’t represent st Nicholas Santa was created by Coca Cola as a form of branding in the 1920s

Ideadoctor:
crusaders waged war outside the ordinance of Jesus Christ, that is,they did something that they were not commanded to do,there actions were not acceptable before Jesus Christ, this is a different case from the Islamic jihad which was commanded by Muhammad, or the African ritual killing of slaves which was supported by all African society.

Real Christians do not celebrate Halloween, in fact, Halloween is not a Christian thing, concerning herbs and roots, herbs and root are scriptural,only out of ignorance do Christians avoid this natural blessing, I took herbs in as much as it does not involve incantations or invocation, there is no sin in it.

Masquerading is connected with the spirit of the dead,we are warned not to tamper no mingle with the spirit of the dead.

Christmas is nothing but the celebration of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ,any other meaning you give to Christmas is from your own point of view

Ideadoctor:
Do you hear what I said earlier, I have moved with afrelist when I was growing up,human sacrifice to Ogun is something they proudly mention, this is no British bastardization, this is from the Ogun worshippers themselves.

You can please mention the verses in the Bible that support racism and oppression,I am waiting, but if you can't find it,please don't mention it again

Ideadoctor:
as I said earlier we have heresy in churches, worshipping of saints and dead people is the heresy of the Catholic church, the Bible never instruct us to worship dead people.

I will like to give you an advice, if you want to argue Christianity with me, don't pick weakness from churches, pick weakness from the Bible, I don't follow doctrine of churches, I follow only what the Bible says.

Christmas to me is the day the Lord Jesus was born, that is my belief and my faith,any other meaning attached to it is what Christmas is to that person, if you consider it a pagan day,then to you it is a pagan day,and if you consider it the day of birth of Jesus, then it is to you as you believe.

Abohboy:


It obviously isn’t though, ogun worshippers don’t sacrifice humans I know people who grew up in villages around ogun, Oyo and osun state and one of my uncles is a babalawo, a devotee of ogun and he only sacrifices dogs, he has never once talked about human sacrifice it is British bastardisation.


Your looking for oppression in the Bible plenty of examples apostle Paul’s epistle to the Ecclestians he says very clearly “ Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; not with eye-service, as men-pleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”

Abohboy:


For the Christmas thing it has nothing to do with your beliefs these are facts we are arguing with facts not opinions here, Christmas originated as a pagan holiday whether you like it or not. Also Christianity was created in the 1st Century AD a few hundred years after Jesus died, the Bible was reformed by King James and whoever else wanted it to be reformed. The point is the Bible you see is very watered down by multiple generations of people trying to change it to suit their facts just as the church does you cannot trust either.

Ideadoctor:
there are two ancient Bible manuscript that were discovered lately, and fortunately, it is the exact copy of the one we used today, king James translated the Bible from Latin to English, he did not rewrite, nor did he tamper with the contents.

As far as I am concerned Christmas is the day of birth of Jesus, and in as much as my conscience bear me witness to it,then it doesn't matter.

Ideadoctor:
so where is the oppression from the verse you quoted just now? or is it not ethical or normal for the servant to be obedient to the master? that is not a valid point, give me another one.

Abohboy:


How is it not valid why should someone even be kept as a servant does that not show oppression especially if they were forced into it that is wrong and unjust but of course your justifying it things like slavery shouldn’t be the norm and they weren’t the norm in Western Africa oike in Oyo, ile ife, bini, nri etc. Until the British came and offered poor people arms, money and influence to give them slaves things like slavery and forced labour shouldn’t be normalised ever,

Ideadoctor:
so if God bless you and grant you great mansions, great houses,you would not look for a servant? you are funny bro

Ideadoctor:
The saying you wrote is meant for kings not Ogun,I grew up among elder and I know a lot of things about Yoruba spirituality, Ogun is a demon that his excited by blood, especially human blood, in my town, I have heard a lot of stories of how people were been sacrificed to Ogun, now I am hearing this from The mouth of an afrelist.

Christianity is not a religion of colonialism, remember Christianity started in Palestine as a family, where anybody who accept Christ is view as a brother OE sister, British and colonial masters are not Christians, they only professed Christian politically, they are not Christian in the real sense,because Christianity means being like Jesus himself.

Abohboy:


Jesus this Jesus that the myth of Jesus was created from the Greek pagan god serapis in 325AD go and learn some history. Ifa does not contain human sacrifice, human sacrifice in ifa is taboo and outlawed. There are no demons in ifa but there are ajogun which come in many different forms including as viruses. Ifa is a great science and art I agree with you but it is also a great religion and spirituality. Jesus cannot and will never help you. If Jesus cared for us blacks he wouldn’t have allowed us to be taken away in the slave trade. But it was ifa or what evolved into the Caribbean religions which helped the Haitians to gain “supernatural” powers as some witnesses stated to overcome the French.

Ideadoctor:
as I said earlier we have heresy in churches, worshipping of saints and dead people is the heresy of the Catholic church, the Bible never instruct us to worship dead people.

I will like to give you an advice, if you want to argue Christianity with me, don't pick weakness from churches, pick weakness from the Bible, I don't follow doctrine of churches, I follow only what the Bible says.

Christmas to me is the day the Lord Jesus was born, that is my belief and my faith,any other meaning attached to it is what Christmas is to that person, if you consider it a pagan day,then to you it is a pagan day,and if you consider it the day of birth of Jesus, then it is to you as you believe.

Obalufon:
Nothing like human sacrifice in Yoruba religion, It was concocted by Christians to demonize our revered religion a murderer or anyone commit a treasonable crime will executed at the shrine of Ogun ..is a taboo to split blood without appease Ogun to ward off such evil act repeating its self again

Abohboy:


Jesus this Jesus that the myth of Jesus was created from the Greek pagan god serapis in 325AD go and learn some history. Ifa does not contain human sacrifice, human sacrifice in ifa is taboo and outlawed. There are no demons in ifa but there are ajogun which come in many different forms including as viruses. Ifa is a great science and art I agree with you but it is also a great religion and spirituality. Jesus cannot and will never help you. If Jesus cared for us blacks he wouldn’t have allowed us to be taken away in the slave trade. But it was ifa or what evolved into the Caribbean religions which helped the Haitians to gain “supernatural” powers as some witnesses stated to overcome the French.

Ideadoctor:
there are two ancient Bible manuscript that were discovered lately, and fortunately, it is the exact copy of the one we used today, king James translated the Bible from Latin to English, he did not rewrite, nor did he tamper with the contents.

As far as I am concerned Christmas is the day of birth of Jesus, and in as much as my conscience bear me witness to it,then it doesn't matter.

Ideadoctor:
IFA is indeed the true religion of the Yoruba people, a great art,a great science. It was developed by a great Yoruba philosopher, Orunmila, it present a way of knowing the mind of olodumare through divination, IFA has 256 principal odus,although there are sixteen odus,but each odus has another alternative which makes it 256.

But the bad side of IFA is that some of it Philosophy goes against ethics and humanity, human sacrifice, tendency to get in contact with wrong demons,so I say it loud IFA is to be associated as a great art or science but not as a religion, hear me I grew up in the midst of elders and I know what they do in secret, they never have peace of mind,the truth is that only in Jesus is there peace and hope for the afterlife, Jesus said " love your neighbour as you love yourself, he said to the adulterer" go and seen no more", what religion could be greater than this,what I wrote is the truth,is you disapprove ask your heart

macof:


Ifá practice does not include human sacrifice. There's no tangible evidence or example of this

And there are no demons in Yorùbá beliefs. The closest thing to that are Ajogún spirits like death, sickness, poverty
Which can even be explained away as abstract personifications. And the point of Ifa is to protect against these ajogún.. So what nonsense are you saying exactly?

Soulrebel2:



Can I pm you brother?

Ideadoctor:
Do you hear what I said earlier, I have moved with afrelist when I was growing up,human sacrifice to Ogun is something they proudly mention, this is no British bastardization, this is from the Ogun worshippers themselves.

You can please mention the verses in the Bible that support racism and oppression,I am waiting, but if you can't find it,please don't mention it again

Abohboy:


Crusades is not the only example of violence in the history of Christianity remeber when god struck down 500 000 Israelite soldiers just to prove his dominance and power a true god would never do that,

2. If you don’t tamper with dead people why do you pray to saints and to Jesus they are all dead people who you generate so stop with this dead people nonsense

3. Christmas is actually a pagan holiday if you cared to research Christmas has nothing to do with the birth of Christ, Jesus was actually born in September or February if he were a real person, but the fact of the matter is that Christmas isn’t a Christian holiday it was created by the pagans, and Santa doesn’t represent st Nicholas Santa was created by Coca Cola as a form of branding in the 1920s

Soulrebel2:


People are just gullible and ignorant...

People need to wake up..!!

Thou shall not kill but in the same book he orders Israelite soldiers to massacre other kingdom..

Thou shall not steal but you massacre people and steal their lands..

Bunch of hypocrites..

Anybody still believing in that white Jesus crap is the biggest fool in existence..

Abohboy:
This is also open to the igbos, ewe, fon and nupe becuase they all used the same divination system as the Yoruba just under different names

I call for any single Nigerian, Ghanaian, Togolese, beninoise person to debate me on Christianity or Islam being the true religion over ifa, afa, efa. [s] I assure you I will win the facts I provide will override any point you can possibly make.[/s]

Abohboy:


Convince you, okay where would you like me to start. There are many aspects of ifa, it is not only a religion but also a literary corpus containing over 204 000 pages worth of knowledge from the dawn of time till today

Abohboy:

It contains all the knowledge of the world thst the yorubas, igbo, ewe, fon, nupe, gwari etc, have gathered since the dawn of time it was created by orunmila the orisha of wisdom and knowledge and essentially ifa contains solutions to most problems it has stories of how to win wars, how to cure skin diseases, how to raise a child, how to help a women given birth, how to deal with periods, how to go through a divination. It has so much knowledge it is unbelievable. I’m not really sure where to start you have to be more specific because the ifa corpus contains religion, philosophy, biology, chemistry, anatomy, pharmacy, geography etc.

Abohboy:
This is also open to the igbos, ewe, fon and nupe becuase they all used the same divination system as the Yoruba just under different names

I call for any single Nigerian, Ghanaian, Togolese, beninoise person to debate me on Christianity or Islam being the true religion over ifa, afa, efa. I assure you I will win the facts I provide will override any point you can possibly make.

tabithababy:
. Good evening.. please can you teach me how to inscribe this eji ogbe with fingers

Ibalekute:
If IFA had really helped the Haitians to defeat the French, why is IFA not helping to improve Haiti's economy

Magmata:


On point

One thing about ignorance is the blind confidence with which it operates.

One will never realize how idiotic some religious dogmas are until you take a balanced look at everything.

Brainwashing is a terrible thing, especially when one lives in a brainwashed society. You'll never realize how stupid you are until reasoning kicks in.

It's now the duty of every serious individuals to diligently seek spiritual knowledge (not for material gains) and free his soul from this horrible entanglements.

For the arguments, it's a total waste of energy.

Obalufon:
Western world is dealing with them just like Ethiopia.. Anyone that oppose their rule will pay they don't forgive....Look at the way they dealt with Zimbabwe the government of Zimbabwe has returned the land back to them he white devils

Olu317:
Just imaging a Yoruba preaching in the pattern of christianity ? I am sorry for your perpetual ignorance. No wonder, people like you presume the English people as Hebrew! Lobátán.