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jantman:
@Myer
If I will be honest with you, Christian and Muslim don't serve the same God.

Muslim wants to serve the one and only true God but their religion is a deception and doctrine of Satan. The foundation of Islam is faulty

I remember I came accross article about the foundation of Islam. I was told that the father of the prophet Mohammed is known as Abdhalla who was worshiping a deity called (Allah)

Abdhallah was a slave of a deity, an Idol called (allah)
Abdhallah gave birth to a son named Mohammed who continue from his father legacy and became the founder of Islam.

Mohammed became very powerful and start conquering nations and when he does he will introduce Islam to those nation he has vaptured through war, that is how Islam spread all over middle east

From experience when a man worship Idols, even after his death, one of his sons must continue the father's legacy as a priest to this deity.

@Myer
I am an introvert and I think a lot and can write an article and explain it to you more better but i just have to answer you in a hurry

I hope you perceived what Islam is all about?

This is not true at all 100% false

kingxsamz:
Lol. Even in the bible the god of the old testament and new testament are clearly different, talk more of between two religions.

How?

kingxsamz:
Lol. Even in the bible the god of the old testament and new testament are clearly different, talk more of between two religions.

Interesting.
Please shed more light

jantman:
@Myer
If I will be honest with you, Christian and Muslim don't serve the same God.

Muslim wants to serve the one and only true God but their religion is a deception and doctrine of Satan. The foundation of Islam is faulty

I remember I came accross article about the foundation of Islam. I was told that the father of the prophet Mohammed is known as Abdhalla who was worshiping a deity called (Allah)

Abdhallah was a slave of a deity, an Idol called (allah)
Abdhallah gave birth to a son named Mohammed who continue from his father legacy and became the founder of Islam.

Mohammed became very powerful and start conquering nations and when he does he will introduce Islam to those nation he has vaptured through war, that is how Islam spread all over middle east

From experience when a man worship Idols, even after his death, one of his sons must continue the father's legacy as a priest to this deity.

@Myer
I am an introvert and I think a lot and can write an article and explain it to you more better but i just have to answer you in a hurry

I hope you perceived what Islam is all about?

The irony of all this 8s no Muslim has come on this head to say that Christians and Muslims worship the different Gods only Christians.

Cos it's even somewhere in the Quran where it says Muslims should learn from Christians in the ways of righteousness.
Muslims just like the Jews only reject the fact that Jesus is Son of God and also the idea of the Trinity of God.

Allah simply means God. So as long as Christians, Jews and Muslims are worshipping the one and only God, by inference they're all worshipping the same God albeit in different ways.

It is only human religion that divides and makes Muslims and Christians not want to have anything in common.

@Myer
Are you a Muslim?
Are you a Christian?
Or
Are you a member of the body of Christ?

Don't be concern about about the affairs of others. Be concern about yourself because on Judgment day you will only answer about yourself

Love everyone

Myer:
Lol interesting. Now you're searching for love?

Just love reading, chatting and sharing romance stories, i'm JW and married to a Nairalander (JW too), i'm sure you know my man very well, he's always on the religion section!

Myer:
The irony of all this 8s no Muslim has come on this head to say that Christians and Muslims worship the different Gods only Christians.

Cos it's even somewhere in the Quran where it says Muslims should learn from Christians in the ways of righteousness.
Muslims just like the Jews only reject the fact that Jesus is Son of God and also the idea of the Trinity of God.

Allah simply means God. So as long as Christians, Jews and Muslims are worshipping the one and only God, by inference they're all worshipping the same God albeit in different ways.

It is only human religion that divides and makes Muslims and Christians not want to have anything in common.

How can God be the father of Jesus and not be the father of Jesus at the same time
How does that make any sense?

AkinwaleJJ:
Just love reading, chatting and sharing romance stories, i'm JW and married to a Nairalander (JW too), i'm sure you know my man very well, he's always on the religion section!

Didn't know you're a lady. So who's the lucky mystery man?

HellVictorinho:
How can God be the father of Jesus and not be the father of Jesus at the same time
How does that make any sense?

Remember God (YHWH) has been God even before the birth of Jesus Christ.
The Jews including Jesus Christ himself worshipped this God (YHWH).
The Jews simply parted ways with Jesus when he claimed to be the Son of God.

jantman:
@Myer
Are you a Muslim?
Are you a Christian?
Or
Are you a member of the body of Christ?

Don't be concern about about the affairs of others. Be concern about yourself because on Judgment day you will only answer about yourself

Love everyone

True.
But while we are still here, can you simply answer the question, giving your reasons an well.

Myer:
Remember God (YHWH) has been God even before the birth of Jesus Christ.
The Jews including Jesus Christ himself worshipped this God (YHWH).
The Jews simply parted ways with Jesus when he claimed to be the Son of God.

Are you saying Jesus is not the son?
If he is not the son,then who is?
If YHWH has no son,then it means Christians worship a God different from YHWH.

HellVictorinho:
Are you saying Jesus is not the son?
If he is not the son,then who is?
If YHWH has no son,then it means Christians worship a God different from YHWH.

It could mean you worship the same God. Just his messenger Jesus was not fully accepted.
However the Jews only accept Christ as a Messiah and Prophet as their God never promised to have a son. Rather he promised that the Seed (Son) of the Woman would crush the head of the serpeant.
Likewise Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet of immense calling and signs and wonders. But God cannot have a son. Rather man can only be his servant.

But I understand that Christianity is hinged on Jesus being the Son of God. But if Jesus was a Jew then Judaism and Christianity worship the same God. QED.
And by inference Muslims and Christians worship the same God too.

Myer:
It could means you worship the same God. Just his messenger Jesus was not fully accepted.
However the Jews only accept Christ as a Messiah and Prophet as their God never promised to have a son. Rather he promised that the Seed (Son) of the Woman would crush the head of the serpeant.
Likewise Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet of immense calling and signs and wonders. But God cannot have a son. Rather man can only be his servant.

But I understand that Christianity is hinged on Jesus being the Son of God. But if Jesus was a Jew then Judaism and Christianity worship the same God. QED.
And by inference Muslims and Christians worship the same God too.

If Jesus is not the son, then they are not worshipping the same God.
Being a Jew doesn't matter here.

Myer:
True.
But while we are still here, can you simply answer the question, giving your reasons an well.

Maybe I forgot you asked me a question

What is the question?

kingxsamz:
Lol. Even in the bible the god of the old testament and new testament are clearly different, talk more of between two religions.

No the God of old testament and new testament are the same.

In old testament man fell from God via his sinful way, God been a holy God had to exercise Justice and Standard in terms of his holy nature that couldn't be compromised.

In the new testament the same God after giving man all the avenue to meet his holy standard which always failed had to step in by himself to help man to the desired path

Op Christians and Muslim don't worship same God.

Christianity came thousands of years before Mohamed the first Muslim slave existed.

Christianity Creed is to believe that Jesus is Son of God who died for sins and resurrected in glory forever.

Islam which came thousands of years after came to oppose this very creed via a shahada even though it plagiarized everyother narration in the Bible because it had no foundation on its own.


The Messiah in Christianity simply instructed that anyone who denied the very creed of his death and resurrection is of the devil, he said this thousands of years before Islamabad existed.

So long as Islam plagiarized all the foundation of the bible it should have accepted it entirely because Jesus definitely was aware of Mohamed coming centuries later.

He had no need to establish the Christian creed since he knew it would contradict Mohamed, unless he purposely wanted to expose him.

In conclusion a foreign religion that has no connection to Jewish history and practices, a religion that came thousands of years later after borrowing a foreign people's established laws, books, and practices shouldn't be the one to tell what the original story and intention was supposed to be when it has no archeological, historical, cultural, first hand witness proof to it's own distortion

Mikecold:
No the God of old testament and new testament are the same.

In old testament man fell from God via his sinful way, God been a holy God had to exercise Justice and Standard in terms of his holy nature that couldn't be compromised.

Yeah by killing and ordering men to commit genocide. Nice.

In the new testament the same God after giving man all the avenue to meet his holy standard which always failed had to step in by himself to help man to the desired path

Okay, you're saying it's the same god?
Yeah, but I thought they said this god was perfect, omnipotent and omniscient. So how come its plan for man failed, even though it knows the future?
If the god in the old testament killed and ordered men to be killed as a form of justice and the god of the new testament was peaceful and promoted peace, doesn't that imply that the ways of this god changed? Which contradicts the saying that "God never changes"?
A perfect God won't try out different avenues for man to meet up to its standards, like a scientist running various tests and research to find a solution. , A perfect god would just do perfect things that'll never have reasons to be changed.
So it's two things.
Either this god is not perfect and it makes mistakes or they're two different gods.

kingxsamz:
Yeah by killing and ordering men to commit genocide. Nice.


Okay, you're saying it's the same god?
Yeah, but I thought they said this god was perfect, omnipotent and omniscient. So how come its plan for man failed, even though it knows the future?
If the god in the old testament killed and ordered men to be killed as a form of justice and the god of the new testament was peaceful and promoted peace, doesn't that imply that the ways of this god changed? Which contradicts the saying that "God never changes"?
A perfect God won't try out different avenues for man to meet up to its standards, like a scientist running various tests and research to find a solution. , A perfect god would just do perfect things that'll never have reasons to be changed.
So it's two things.
Either this god is not perfect and it makes mistakes or they're two different gods.

God never changed, he created man with a choice (not a robot) if he wanted a bot to be to his dictate he would have done it.

Yes he is omnipresent, omniscient he can only be accused if he created a dependent bot according to all his dictate yet got a failed outcome, you can not associate those characters of his with an independent personnel who made independent attributes.

The choice of Man in Eden by the devil took him away from God, before then God was the same peaceful one as the new testament that dwelled in their midst when they still had the sinless nature.

God then had to distance himself from man because he can't behold the presence of sin, all these while he was admonishing man to depart from sin so they can continue the Eden master plan.

Where did God change in all of this, he instead validated that he is holy and can't exist in a sin environment, he also demonstrate a caring patient God that kept giving man Time and opportunity to change.

"killing men and ordering them to commit genocide" can you tell me where you got this?

The perfect God knows the solution but just like man started making his solutions by his decision in Eden, he simply wanted man to continue the expirement he (man) had started and see where it would lead him to.

It would be unfair if a just God doesn't allow Man to conclude on the expirement of following his ways and the outcome of it.

He had only one straight forward solution, he never wasn't doing trial and error

When man had come to the end of his own failed expirement, Yaweh offered his ultimate solution to the mess man created by himself as a passionate God

kingxsamz:
Yeah by killing and ordering men to commit genocide. Nice.


Okay, you're saying it's the same god?
Yeah, but I thought they said this god was perfect, omnipotent and omniscient. So how come its plan for man failed, even though it knows the future?
If the god in the old testament killed and ordered men to be killed as a form of justice and the god of the new testament was peaceful and promoted peace, doesn't that imply that the ways of this god changed? Which contradicts the saying that "God never changes"?
A perfect God won't try out different avenues for man to meet up to its standards, like a scientist running various tests and research to find a solution. , A perfect god would just do perfect things that'll never have reasons to be changed.
So it's two things.
Either this god is not perfect and it makes mistakes or they're two different gods.

The word "perfect" is being abused, misused and misunderstood.

No..bit they are brothers. Yaweh is one of the 70 sons of Enlil. Allah(Nanna) is also one of the 70 sons of Enlil.

Mikecold:
God never changed, he created man with a choice (not a robot) if he wanted a bot to be to his dictate he would have done it.

Yes he is omnipresent, omniscient he can only be accused if he created a dependent bot according to all his dictate yet got a failed outcome, you can not associate those characters of his with an independent personnel who made independent attributes.

The choice of Man in Eden by the devil took him away from God, before then God was the same peaceful one as the new testament that dwelled in their midst when they still had the sinless nature.

God then had to distance himself from man because he can't behold the presence of sin, all these while he was admonishing man to depart from sin so they can continue the Eden master plan.

Where did God change in all of this, he instead validated that he is holy and can't exist in a sin environment, he also demonstrate a caring patient God that kept giving man Time and opportunity to change.

"killing men and ordering them to commit genocide" can you tell me where you got this?

The perfect God knows the solution but just like man started making his solutions by his decision in Eden, he simply wanted man to continue the expirement he (man) had started and see where it would lead him to.

It would be unfair if a just God doesn't allow Man to conclude on the expirement of following his ways and the outcome of it.

He had only one straight forward solution, he never wasn't doing trial and error

When man had come to the end of his own failed expirement, Yaweh offered his ultimate solution to the mess man created by himself as a passionate God

Tbh I hate writing long epistles, so I'll just make my points short.
Based on your write up, heres what I have to say.
_ Do you have freewill in heaven?
_ If this god is omniscient, does that mean it saw that man will become sinful?
_ If this god is perfect, why did it regret creating man?
_ Since this god is perfect and omniscient, shouldn't it have prevented Adam from sin by first of all, getting rid of the tree of life, killing Satan, hiding the tree of life? Prevention from one's misfortune is not interference in freewill.
_If this god's ways didn't change then why is its rules and laws in the old testament totally different from the ones in the new testament?
_Also, a perfect god doesn't blame its creation for its own failures it failed to correct beforehand.
Till you can answer those questions, my point still stands. Either this god is not perfect, or there are two different gods.

"killing men and ordering them to commit genocide" can you tell me where you got this?

Here's a list, supported by bible verses.
https://www.nairaland.com/5839893/god-good-loving-god-see

jantman:
@Myer
If I will be honest with you, Christian and Muslim don't serve the same God.

Muslim wants to serve the one and only true God but their religion is a deception and doctrine of Satan. The foundation of Islam is faulty

I remember I came accross article about the foundation of Islam. I was told that the father of the prophet Mohammed is known as Abdhalla who was worshiping a deity called (Allah)

Abdhallah was a slave of a deity, an Idol called (allah)
Abdhallah gave birth to a son named Mohammed who continue from his father legacy and became the founder of Islam.

Mohammed became very powerful and start conquering nations and when he does he will introduce Islam to those nation he has vaptured through war, that is how Islam spread all over middle east

From experience when a man worship Idols, even after his death, one of his sons must continue the father's legacy as a priest to this deity.

@Myer
I am an introvert and I think a lot and can write an article and explain it to you more better but i just have to answer you in a hurry

I hope you perceived what Islam is all about?

If I get you right, Allah decided to create a story in the likeness of the Christian God?

Well, I don't know where you get your information from but I can assure you it's just an opinion.

kingxsamz:
Tbh I hate writing long epistles, so I'll just make my points short.
Based on your write up, heres what I have to say.
_ Do you have freewill in heaven?
_ If this god is omniscient, does that mean it saw that man will become sinful?
_ If this god is perfect, why did it regret creating man?
_ Since this god is perfect and omniscient, shouldn't it have prevented Adam from sin by first of all, getting rid of the tree of life, killing Satan, hiding the tree of life? Prevention from one's misfortune is not interference in freewill.
_If this god's ways didn't change then why is its rules and laws in the old testament totally different from the ones in the new testament?
_Also, a perfect god doesn't blame its creation for its own failures it failed to correct beforehand.
Till you can answer those questions, my point still stands. Either this god is not perfect, or there are two different gods.



Here's a list, supported by bible verses.
https://www.nairaland.com/5839893/god-good-loving-god-see

I take my time to clarify misconception and back it up

(1). Yes you have free in heaven (this was why Lucifer wanted to be like God with his few angels)

(2). Yes he saw that man would become sinful (this is why the Messiah existed even before man's creation)

(3). The word "regret" is more than just it's literal meaning, it also a prelude interchanged for disappointment especially when an invention of yours has the capacity to be independent from you and makes error

(4). No, God wasn't creating robots if he gave them freewill what then is the essence of free will when they can't have a variety to choose from.

You can't give a man just coke and say he has a liberty to choose another drink when he is condenmed to coke.

God would not be a just God if he kills Satan instantly and not allow him conclude on his choice to rival him and create his own followers before coming to the end of his expirement.

(5). Prevention from one's misfortune is a total interference in freewill, there are so many who are told their actions would take them to hell but insist they want to go.

Lucifer in heaven experienced the fullness of God in heaven and knew that was the highest to attain yet he choosed to rebel, have his followers and perish after the thrill expires.

(7). His ways and laws didn't change, when he saved the children of Israel from Egypt and brought them to the wilderness, they boasted that all the laws he can command from them they would keep it.

They boasted even before seeing the law, it's like a primary school student telling a Prof that any questions he would ask can be answered.

God only gave them 10 moral conducts law which would guide them and maintain sanity in their land (like fear of repercussion) yet they broke the very laws they boasted they can keep.

Perphas if they had humbled themselves they wouldn't have gotten that law because that law was to humble them that they needed God himself to reconcile the relationship as it was in Adam time.

It was when they exhausted their pride, that God presented his Solution in the Messiah.

8. You have not explained how it was his mistake (Do you imply that he shouldn't have given man freewill but made them dummies who are programmed to his bidding)

The alledged violence part is an explanation i would be happy to engage you on another front because i don't want to do epistle here

Your friend, profile name starts with M!

Myer:
Didn't know you're a lady. So who's the lucky mystery man?

Mikecold:
I take my time to clarify misconception and back it up

(1). Yes you have free in heaven (this was why Lucifer wanted to be like God with his few angels)

If you have freewill in heaven, then one must be able to commit sin just as you can on earth. That inability of not being able to commit sin in heaven is the definition of being a robot.

(2). Yes he saw that man would become sinful (this is why the Messiah existed even before man's creation)

Then this god is not benevolent. You cannot see a child walking towards fire and be like "hey let's just see what happens".

(3). The word "regret" is more than just it's literal meaning, it also means a affront of disappointment either by someone or it's object (which has create actions and be liable for it).

Yes, very true.
When a word in the bible doesn't suit you or when
it makes your argument flawed, you give excuses and say "It's a methphor", "it's symbolic", "It doesn't really mean it", "it's a translation problem" Etc...

(4). No, God wasn't creating robots if he gave them freewill what then is the essence of free will when they can't have a variety to choose from.

You can't give a man just coke and say he has a liberty to choose another drink when he is condenmed to coke.

This is more like saying a child's freewill was taken if sharp objects around it were hidden.
The Adam and Eve case is like having a baby and putting sharp knives around it, then giving it a warning not to touch the knives, and eventually blaming the baby for hurting itself with the knives.

God would not be a just God if he kills Satan instantly and not allow him conclude on his choice to rival him and create his own followers before coming to the end of his expirement.

Can you even read what you wrote?
It's unjust for this god to just kill Satan, but it's just for it to kill millions of people in order to punish them for their sins and their father's sins, and also use their lives to play bet with this same Satan, just like it did with Job. welldone

(5). Prevention from one's misfortune is a total interference in freewill, there are so many who are told their actions would take them to hell but insist they want to go.

Yeah. When I acquire some information about an assassination attempt on my friend, and I prevent it from happening, I'm interfering in their freewill.
Try something else.

(7). His ways and laws didn't change, when he saved the children of Israel from Egypt and brought them to the wilderness, they boasted that all the laws he can command from them they would keep it.

If it didn't change, then you should follow the laws this god made in the old testament.
A perfect god's laws would be permanent without need to be abolished.

(. You have not explained how it was his mistake (Do you imply that he shouldn't have given man freewill but made them dummies who are programmed to his bidding)

Maybe this perfect God shouldn't have left its creation in the same place with this tree of life?

The alledged violence part is an explanation i would be happy to engage you on another front because i don't want to do epistle here

You don't need another epistle for the violence part. You asked me to show you where this god killed and ordered people(Men, women and children) to be killed, and I did. You don't need to explain why.
You haven't done justice to my questions and my point still stands. Either this god is not perfect, or there are two different kinds. Thank you.

kingxsamz:
If you have freewill in heaven, then one must be able to commit sin just as you can on earth. That inability of not being able to commit sin in heaven is the definition of being a robot.
Then this god is not benevolent. You cannot see a child walking towards fire and be like "hey let's just see what happens".


Yes, very true.
When a word in the bible doesn't suit you or when
it makes your argument flawed, you give excuses and say "It's a methphor", "it's symbolic", "It doesn't really mean it", "it's a translation problem" Etc...


This is more like saying a child's freewill was taken if sharp objects around it were hidden.
The Adam and Eve case is like having a baby and putting sharp knives around it, then giving it a warning not to touch the knives, and eventually blaming the baby for hurting itself with the knives.

Can you even read what you wrote?
It's unjust for this god to just kill Satan, but it's just for it to kill millions of people in order to punish them for their sins and their father's sins, and also use their lives to play bet with this same Satan, just like it did with Job. welldone



Yeah. When I acquire some information about an assassination attempt on my friend, and I prevent it from happening, I'm interfering in their freewill.
Try something else.


If it didn't change, then you should follow the laws this god made in the old testament.
A perfect god's laws would be permanent without need to be abolished.


Maybe this perfect God shouldn't have left its creation in the same place with this tree of life?


You don't need another epistle for the violence part. You asked me to show you where this god killed and ordered people(Men, women and children) to be killed, and I did. You don't need to explain why.
You haven't done justice to my questions and my point still stands. Either this god is not perfect, or there are two different kinds. Thank you.

Will and wish all you like to fly out of a plane in a parachute, it will not happen as far as you are in your room. You can't fall from a skyscraper if are in a bungalow, neither can you be electrocuted on a pole in year 1420AD. They are worlds apart. You cannot sin where there is no sin. How else can it be broken down for a blind man to see it!

Image123:
Will and wish all you like to fly out of a plane in a parachute, it will not happen as far as you are in your room. You can't fall from a skyscraper if are in a bungalow, neither can you be electrocuted on a pole in year 1420AD. They are worlds apart. You cannot sin where there is no sin. How else can it be broken down for a blind man to see it!

Lol, was there sin before Adam and Eve Ate the fruit?

kingxsamz:
Lol, was there sin before Adam and Eve Ate the fruit?

What is sin? Did satan sin before Adam and Eve ate the fruit?

Image123:
What is sin? Did satan sin before Adam and Eve ate the fruit?

Answer the question first.
Did sin originate from Adam and Eve eating the fruit or was it before that?

kingxsamz:
Answer the question first.
Did sin originate from Adam and Eve eating the fruit or was it before that?

The answer is in the question i asked. To reduce argument, we need to know your level of knowledge na. If i spoonfeed you, you will likely vomit, so think for yourself. Did satan sin before Adam and Eve ate the fruit?

AkinwaleJJ:
Your friend, profile name starts with M!

Wow. Maximus? Cool. Now I can connect the dots better.

Image123:
The answer is in the question i asked. To reduce argument, we need to know your level of knowledge na. If i spoonfeed you, you will likely vomit, so think for yourself. Did satan sin before Adam and Eve ate the fruit?

But your bible stated that the origin of good and bad came as a result of Adam and Eve eating the fruit... No?
And if you say Satan sinned first, then you're also saying Heaven is a place where one is capable of committing sin, which contradicts your earlier statement that "you cannot sin where there is no sin".