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Nuttella:
It is believe after so many researches that the Allah is also called Baal.
The ones that some kings of Israel worshipped along with Ashtheroth. Both of them are fallen angels in the second heaven.

@Nuttella.
There are many demons and fallen angels that are in charge of various religions of the world today. Their aim is to deceive and deprive men from the true light so that men will continue to walk in darkness.

Without a doubt I think you are very right

Go an look for this book : Ocult Grand Master Now In Christ by Iyke Nathan Uzorma . In it you will find all the secret all the devils of the second heavens

Proud Amedonia!
LOL!

MaxInDHouse:
Abraham used to call on the name of JEHOVAH (YHWH) {Genesis 12:8}

But because of what JEHOVAH said @ Exodus 6:2-3 most Bible readers thought Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never knew the name JEHOVAH. We will teach you if you're willing to learn from us!

I do not disagree entirely with you only that I chose to stay with the plainly stated fact.

Moses mothers name was
Jochebed which is a derivative from YHWH/Jehovah. Just like Joshua's name is a derivative from YHWH/Jehovah. In other words, it is unlikely that the name Jehovah wasnt known at all before Moses.

From the scripture below:
Gen 12:8:
"And he removed from there to a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he built an altar to the LORD, and called on the name of the LORD."

No one can be sure the exact name Abraham called: was it "I AM", "I AM who I AM" or "YHWH" or another name of YHWH?
*Is it impossible that God has other names BUT YHWH is His covenant name?

The plain scripture says:

Exo 6:3:
"And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

Is this scripture WRONG or UNTRUE?

shadeyinka:
Proud Amedonia!
LOL!
I do not disagree entirely with you only that I chose to stay with the plainly stated fact.
Moses mothers name was
Jochebed which is a derivative from YHWH/Jehovah. Just like Joshua's name is a derivative from YHWH/Jehovah. In other words, it is unlikely that the name Jehovah wasnt known at all before Moses.

Please what other text in the old testament was translated as "The LORD" in the KJV apart from "JEHOVAH (YHWH)"?

From the scripture below:
Gen 12:8:
"And he removed from there to a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he built an altar to the LORD, and called on the name of the LORD."
No one can be sure the exact name Abraham called: was it "I AM", "I AM who I AM" or "YHWH" or another name of YHWH?
*Is it impossible that God has other names BUT YHWH is His covenant name?

Are you saying the same translated "I AM" was also translated as "The LORD"?

The plain scripture says:
Exo 6:3:
"And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
Is this scripture WRONG or UNTRUE?

If you feel you understand i'll leave you but if you want to learn just humbly ask and i'll TEACH you!

jantman:
@Nuttella.
There are many demons and fallen angels that are in charge of various religions of the world today. Their aim is to deceive and deprive men from the true light so that men will continue to walk in darkness.

Without a doubt I think you are very right

Go an look for this book : Ocult Grand Master Now In Christ by Iyke Nathan Uzorma . In it you will find all the secret all the devils of the second heavens

Every religion believes this from Jews, trinitatians, Unitarian Christians, Muslims, e.t.c

Everyone thinks theirs is the real one and others are product of falling angels, Jinns .. So your perspective sha and not general

U think a particular God is a demon or falling angel while yours is also believed by others to be the demon...

MaxInDHouse:
Please what other text in the old testament was translated as "The LORD" in the KJV apart from "JEHOVAH (YHWH)"?
Are you saying the same translated "I AM" was also translated as "The LORD"?

Shadeyinka, I'm waiting for your response!

If you feel you understand i'll leave you but if you want to learn just humbly ask and i'll TEACH you!

MaxInDHouse:
Please what other text in the old testament was translated as "The LORD" in the KJV apart from "JEHOVAH (YHWH)"?



Are you saying the same translated "I AM" was also translated as "The LORD"?




If you feel you understand i'll leave you but if you want to learn just humbly ask and i'll TEACH you!

The plain scripture says:
Exo 6:3:
"And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

Is this scripture WRONG or UNTRUE?

After that can any discussion be meaningful

At least you know that the translators of the KJV rendered the divine name "YHWH" as "The LORD" throughout except in four places Exodus 6:2-3, Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2, 26:4
That's why most versions removed the divine name completely because the new translators can't understand why the KJV have to rendered the same text YHWH as JEHOVAH in four places but rendered the same text as LORD in other places!

So if you want to know i'll oblige but it's obvious you're not ready so i'll leave you to your opinion!

shadeyinka:
The plain scripture says:
Exo 6:3:
"And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
Is this scripture WRONG or UNTRUE?
After that can any discussion be meaningful

haekymbahd:
Every religion believes this from Jews, trinitatians, Unitarian Christians, Muslims, e.t.c

Everyone thinks theirs is the real one and others are product of falling angels, Jinns .. So your perspective sha and not general

U think a particular God is a demon or falling angel while yours is also believed by others to be the demon...

@haekymbahd
You are very right
This is why Ignorance is an evil that leads to other form of evil.

MaxInDHouse:
At least you know that the translators of the KJV rendered the divine name "YHWH" as "The LORD" throughout except in four places Exodus 6:2-3, Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2, 26:4
That's why most versions removed the divine name completely because the new translators can't understand why the KJV have to rendered the same text YHWH as JEHOVAH in four places but rendered the same text as LORD in other places!

So if you want to know i'll oblige but it's obvious you're not ready so i'll leave you to your opinion!

You still didn't answer the question

The plain scripture says:
Exo 6:3:
"And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
Is this scripture WRONG or UNTRUE?
After that can any discussion be meaningful

Everyone knows that in the copying of the scripture by the Masoretes 6th-10th century, they replaced the name YHWH with other variants like Adonai or Elohim etc. And it wasn't originally the King James Translation as you have stated.
FYI, the KJV was written about 1611 under the auspices of King James I of England

Is Ex 6:3 a false statement?
This is not difficult to answer for a lover of truth!

According to the scriptures Adam was the first human to walk on this planet {Genesis 2:7} the Bible referred to Adam as "God's son" {Luke 3:38} Jesus made it known that the first thing a child of God need to know is God's name because we must always sanctify that name {Matthew 6:9} so there's no way Adam could have been called God's son if he doesn't know the name of his Father just as all children love and appreciate their father's name! John 17:6, 26

Adam lived 930 years before he finally expired so he must have told all his children from Eve to his great grandchildren about his father who is the source of life! Genesis 4:26

Throughout the generation of Adam's descendants until Noah all knew the name of our Creator! Genesis 9:26, 10:9

So why did JEHOVAH say Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never knew him by that name? Exodus 6:3

Well to know someone doesn't simply means knowing the person's name, it's more as in much more than that! Abraham, Isaac and Jacob only knew that JEHOVAH is the Almighty God but they never witnessed him in action the way their children (Israelites) saw the unforgettable display of JEHOVAH'S NAME in Egypt!

Abraham had that lot has been taken into slavery by some kings, he took his men out to FIGHT and rescue his nephew {Genesis 14:12-16} Jacob also fought to save his father in-law's flock. But neither Abraham, Isaac or Jacob knew that JEHOVAH could go and rescue a multitude of people without any military force!

He told Moses "i will prove to be what i will prove to be" the meaning of JEHOVAH is He causes to become Abraham, Isaac and Jacob only knew him as the God that's powerful than all the other Gods but he never displayed his name the way he did in Egypt! Joshua 2:9-10

So all worshipers of JEHOVAH from Abel till now know his name but the first time he proclaim his name without a military force was when he singlehandedly delivered his people out of slavery in Egypt!

May you have PEACE!

haekymbahd:
What name did Abraham call God and prophets before Moses e.g Noah because the name Jehovah was revealed exclusively to Moses...
Since the jews, Christian, Muslim claim to worship the God of Abraham so can you tell us the name Abraham called God?
Allah SWT said:
"They say, Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided. Say, Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 135)
* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

If someone you knew from childhood should walk up to you and say
"you never knew me by my name"
does that mean you don't know his personal name?
Sebi you said Abraham doesn't know God's name simply because of JEHOVAH'S statement to one of Abraham's descendants (Moses)?
Never mind Shadeyinka, that book (Bible) belongs to us you can't understand what is inside unless we TEACH you!

shadeyinka:
You still didn't answer the question

The plain scripture says:
Exo 6:3:
"And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
Is this scripture WRONG or UNTRUE?
After that can any discussion be meaningful

Everyone knows that in the copying of the scripture by the Masoretes 6th-10th century, they replaced the name YHWH with other variants like Adonai or Elohim etc. And it wasn't originally the King James Translation as you have stated.
FYI, the KJV was written about 1611 under the auspices of King James I of England

Is Ex 6:3 a false statement?
This is not difficult to answer for a lover of truth!

MaxInDHouse:
If someone you knew from childhood should walk up to you and say
"you never knew me by my name"
does that mean you don't know his personal name?
Sebi you said Abraham doesn't know God's name simply because of JEHOVAH'S statement to one of Abraham's descendants (Moses)?
Never mind Shadeyinka, that book (Bible) belongs to us you can't understand what is inside unless we TEACH you!

Is Ex 6:3 a false statement?
This is not difficult to answer for a lover of truth!

Tell me it is a false statement , then justify it: at least I can now learn why it is a false statement from you.
SMH!

Never mind Shadeyinka, it's OK.

Wisdom will be justified by her Children! Luke 7:35

May you have PEACE!

shadeyinka:
Is Ex 6:3 a false statement?
This is not difficult to answer for a lover of truth!
Tell me it is a false statement , then justify it: at least I can now learn why it is a false statement from you.
SMH!

MaxInDHouse:
Never mind Shadeyinka, it's OK.

Wisdom will be justified by her Children! Luke 7:35

May you have PEACE!

You see why we always take opposing sides
One person is ALWAYS going by their organizations position (even if it conflicts with plain scripture)

The other is always going by the plain scripture EVEN if it conflicts with his organisations position.

Shalom!

It's OK Shadeyinka, it's OK!
Let others who may not be convinced about my explanation come forward, you don't worry just let it be for now!

shadeyinka:
You see why we always take opposing sides
One person is ALWAYS going by their organizations position (even if it conflicts with plain scripture)

The other is always going by the plain scripture EVEN if it conflicts with his organisations position.

Shalom!

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK Shadeyinka, it's OK!
Let others who may not be convinced about my explanation come forward, you don't worry just let it be for now!

But you've not explained why the scripture
Exo 6:3:
"And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."
is WRONG or UNTRUE even to others?

I rest my case!

@ Shadeyinka.

This is the explanation for Exodus 6:3!

MaxInDHouse:
According to the scriptures Adam was the first human to walk on this planet {Genesis 2:7} the Bible referred to Adam as "God's son" {Luke 3:38} Jesus made it known that the first thing a child of God need to know is God's name because we must always sanctify that name {Matthew 6:9} so there's no way Adam could have been called God's son if he doesn't know the name of his Father just as all children love and appreciate their father's name! John 17:6, 26

Adam lived 930 years before he finally expired so he must have told all his children from Eve to his great grandchildren about his father who is the source of life! Genesis 4:26

Throughout the generation of Adam's descendants until Noah all knew the name of our Creator! Genesis 9:26, 10:9

So why did JEHOVAH say Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never knew him by that name? Exodus 6:3

Well to know someone doesn't simply means knowing the person's name, it's more as in much more than that! Abraham, Isaac and Jacob only knew that JEHOVAH is the Almighty God but they never witnessed him in action the way their children (Israelites) saw the unforgettable display of JEHOVAH'S NAME in Egypt!

Abraham had that lot has been taken into slavery by some kings, he took his men out to FIGHT and rescue his nephew {Genesis 14:12-16} Jacob also fought to save his father in-law's flock. But neither Abraham, Isaac or Jacob knew that JEHOVAH could go and rescue a multitude of people without any military force!

He told Moses "i will prove to be what i will prove to be" the meaning of JEHOVAH is He causes to become Abraham, Isaac and Jacob only knew him as the God that's powerful than all the other Gods but he never displayed his name the way he did in Egypt! Joshua 2:9-10

So all worshipers of JEHOVAH from Abel till now know his name but the first time he proclaim his name without a military force was when he singlehandedly delivered his people out of slavery in Egypt!

May you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
@ Shadeyinka.

This is the explanation for Exodus 6:3!

Stop this please, it's insulting to people who actually study and understand the Bible.

God himself said, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob didn't know him as Jehovah yet you're trying to use permutations and combinations to prove God's word wrong just because your denomination worships the name Jehovah.

Even Jesus never for once called God Jehovah. He even declared that no one (not even Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) has ever seen the Father except him. Meaning only what he calls God is valid. And he calls God Father not Jehovah.

But maybe you're followers of Moses and not Jesus Christ just like the Jews.

shadeyinka:
You see why we always take opposing sides
One person is ALWAYS going by their organizations position (even if it conflicts with plain scripture)

The other is always going by the plain scripture EVEN if it conflicts with his organisations position.

Shalom!

He seems to be blind to the fact that he doesn't worship God but worships his organisation.

haekymbahd:
Every religion believes this from Jews, trinitatians, Unitarian Christians, Muslims, e.t.c

Everyone thinks theirs is the real one and others are product of falling angels, Jinns .. So your perspective sha and not general

U think a particular God is a demon or falling angel while yours is also believed by others to be the demon...

You understand. That's how religion works. Every religion preaches it is the only right religion while others are idol or demon worshippers.

I'm sorry if my presence is not welcome please pardon my manners henceforth i'll never ever comment on your thread.
Meanwhile the Bible says people have been calling on JEHOVAH'S name before Abraham was born! Genesis 4:26
Goodbye!

Myer:
Stop this please, it's insulting to people who actually study and understand the Bible.
God himself said, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob didn't know him as Jehovah yet you're trying to use permutations and combinations to prove God's word wrong just because your denomination worships the name Jehovah.
Even Jesus never for once called God Jehovah. He even declared that no one (not even Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) has ever seen the Father except him. Meaning only what he calls God is valid. And he calls God Father not Jehovah.
But maybe you're followers of Moses and Jesus Christ.

Nuttella:
It is believe after so many researches that the Allah is also called Baal.
The ones that some kings of Israel worshipped along with Ashtheroth. Both of them are fallen angels in the second heaven.

Your opinion.
If the name Baal was never mentioned in the Quran as being the same God as Allah then how can you ascribe such?

Jesus cursed those who ascribed his power to Belzebub. So unless Quran says Allah is Baal or you have proof to back up your claim, you shouldn't go casting spersions on other people's God just to prove yours is the true God.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sorry if my presence is not welcome please pardon my manners henceforth i'll never ever comment on your thread.
Meanwhile the Bible says people have been calling on JEHOVAH'S name before Abraham was born! Genesis 4:26
Goodbye!

Genesis 4:26
And as for Seth, vto him also a son was born; and he named him 5Enosh. Then men began wto call on the name of the Lord.

Why do you quote scriptures disporportiinaely and irrelavantly?
How does the above scripture prove that the name of the Lord Sets called upon was Jehovah?

Like I've always advised you, try studying the Bible by yourself and not just vomiting what is on your JW sites and articles.

God revealed himself at various stages in the Bible in different names according to his dealing with the person or people. To Abraham he revealed himself as God Almighty. To Moses he revealed himself as YHWH (Jehovah), yet some believe to Christians he reveals himself as Jesus Christ hence the doctrine of trinity. Also the book of revelations says he yet reveals himself to those who conquer.

So when it says in Gensis 4:26 that Seth called on the name of the Lord, it was clearly not Jehovah as God himself said he had not revealed that name to their fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

If you can't indulge in intellectual engagement without being offended by all means please feel free to evacuate the building. But if you have something meaningful to contribute on this discussion, you're very welcome.

Myer:
Your opinion.
If the name Baal was never mentioned in the Quran as being the same God as Allah then how can you ascribe such?

Jesus cursed those who ascribed his power to Belzebub. So unless Quran says Allah is Baal or you have proof to back up your claim, you shouldn't go casting spersions on other people's God just to prove yours is the true God.

Infact Allah clearly distinguish himself from baal
Allah SWT said:

"Do you call on Baal — this was the name of an idol of theirs which was made of gold, from which the name of their city derives, with the addition of [the suffix] bak — that is to say, do you worship him, and abandon the Best of Creators, and not worship Him,"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 125)

"Allah, your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers?"
(QS. As-Saaffaat 37: Verse 126)

Thank you very much!

Myer:
Stop this please, it's insulting to people who actually study and understand the Bible.

God himself said, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob didn't know him as Jehovah yet you're trying to use permutations and combinations to prove God's word wrong just because your denomination worships the name Jehovah.

Even Jesus never for once called God Jehovah. He even declared that no one (not even Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) has ever seen the Father except him. Meaning only what he calls God is valid. And he calls God Father not Jehovah.

But maybe you're followers of Moses and not Jesus Christ just like the Jews.

He doesn't really mean it, he's just one of those who doesn't like hearing about a group that knows it all.
So it's OK!

AkinwaleJJ:
Thank you very much!

I thought you're a lady, so this is how you treat people who speaks from the heart in response to your quest!

Thank you very much sr!

Myer:
Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
If Yes, give your reasons.
If No, give your reasons.
MuttletLaff AkinwaleJJ HopefulLandlord

AkinwaleJJ:
I thought you're a lady, so this is how you treat people who speaks from the heart in response to your quest!

Thank you very much sr!

Only to people who speak in a condescending manner to others, especially when they are too proud to learn.

Mikecold:
This is a terrible approach to theology.

Your Islamic historians/books which you follow named Mohamed Father Abdullah (this isn't a Chinese foreigner were you dismiss and say it's their opinion/subjective).

This theology of his father name has been certified by Muslims centuries before you and continues to be the earliest account in Islam.

You can not cherry pick some part of your history when it suit you and dismiss it when it doesn't.

If you say Mohamed Father god (Allah) was an idol and you want to dismiss such

what makes it true that the allah you and Mohamed came to worship isn't the same allah his father worshipped?

Mohamed Father has an earlier account to the god allah than Mohamed who came after him.

You can't turn logic on its head and say the man who came second in a race is winner against the one who crossed the line first.

Everything not just one thing is disputed about the god of allah Mohamed worshipped.

If there was copyright in those times Mohamed Father would have sued his mo.ron of a son who was too intellectually lazy he had to copy paste his father idol as his

Anything can be disputed even with documentary evidences in some cases, including the existence of God or Yaweh as you know and understand it.

Religion is not logic neither is it scientific Religion is about beliefs and practises.
What maybe religious may not be logical or scientifical vis a vis.
What is logical or scientifical about God or Yaweh sending his only begotten son or Himself coming down to earth to die for the sins of His own creation inorder to forgive them their sins?
Think!

As an open enemy of Islam that you are, you go about sourcing for materials and interpretations that suit your convictions about Islam, yet as a Practising Muslim that I am, i "cherry pick" according to you to defend Islam. LOL!
Think!

What is this theology you kept crying over?
How come you never knew Theology is subjective? Subjecting Islam to your own theology is erronous. Islam has it own theology, which you may disagree with just as i may disagree with yours.

I am not here for comparative study of religions, though there are thousands of Muslims who can engage you.
I am here to speak strictly as a Muslim and my convictions about Islam.

Mikecold:
Exactly


Washing of private part with kettle, saying shahada doesnt work for remission of sin.

Ask those who know if you don't know.

AkinwaleJJ:
I thought you're a lady, so this is how you treat people who speaks from the heart in response to your quest!

Thank you very much sr!

I didn't invite him to this discussion cos he is very self-righteous and condescending in his approach.

I invited you even though I knew you're JW because you are mature in your responses to discussions.

My apologies to you cos hsu your man but thats just the truth.

Myer:
Only to people who speak in a condescending manner to others, especially when they are too proud to learn.

Since Genesis is attributed as one of the books of Moses and it is claimed that God reveal himself to moses has "the Lord" but not to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Co..

Is there a possibility that the author of Genesis inserted the word "the Lord" in the book of Genesis based on the fact that was the name revealed to Moses and the book was written after Moses and not during Adam or Abraham's era...