Radoillo: Everybody wants to escape the 'curse' of blackness.

Radoillo: Everybody wants to escape the 'curse' of blackness.

bigfrancis21:

I am proud to be black and wouldn't want to be otherwise. In one way, hebraic descent stories in Africa reeks of inferiority complex. I hardly ever put thoughts into the supposed Igbo-Hebraic talks until I come on nairaland. I have never even seen myself as a Jew how much more an Israeli. LOL. As you know, I am very proud of my Igbo culture, my language and my country.

My views on the other thread were only my observations on similarities between both peoples, which may come off as being a supporter. But no, I am not.

lepasharon: Do you guys think those ppl in Israel today are the real Jews?.. Just asking oo Abeg.

bigfrancis21:

I am proud to be black and wouldn't want to be otherwise. In one way, hebraic descent stories in Africa reeks of inferiority complex. I hardly ever put thoughts into the supposed Igbo-Hebraic talks until I come on nairaland. I have never even seen myself as a Jew how much more an Israeli. LOL. As you know, I am very proud of my Igbo culture, my language and my country.

My views on the other thread were only my observations on similarities between both peoples, which may come off as being a supporter. But no, I am not.

2prexios:

How much were you paid for this anticlimax? 2 Likes? more are coming?

Please, learn to isolate public/personal opinion from historical speculations. The task of the young mind is to find curiosity and engage it to the letter. Maybe in it is a discovery of value or a serendipity for the erudite. When you make the above choice, you sound like people who believe what you unbelieve were not sound and capable of reaching choice conclusion. You did not take emotional-intelligence precaution.

People use their sense of emotion more than they do, their logic. And that is the bane of several African-child growing in this age and time. But they must be tutor to know that there are blacks who will not bent to silly black pride in the name of history and eugenics. You have your brain, use it. This is how:

There is fine line of difference between being a "black intellectual" and being "intellectually black". An intellectually black person cannot separate racial sentiment from intellectual discourse. Such sneers at the opinion of others and never will ever come with any original acceptable index.

These are called dog-men, barking orders at others and bending their will and buffeting the desire in others to find out more about their curiosity or a fancy of any choice. Manipulating them by so doing to the preferred sentiments of the (intellectually black) club. I don't belong to this club, I belong to black intellectual club.

Let those that believe that the ancestors of the black race were Hebrew hold their believe and share their findings with their kinds, let those that believe that their ancestors were apes believe the same with their ilks on board. Which is true, time will tell. I always know of a flow from Epicurus, to John Dee to The Tempest [/i]and to [i]The Descent of man. I know the flickering of the compass.

But of course there can be a point of interception here: let the Hebrew club share their Hebrew correlations if need be, and let the descendants of apes come up and share the point of spontaneous generation of life where men were created in Africa with their friends and by so doing, the liturgy of Africa would improve tremendously.

Until then, I am entitled to my doubts that the fact that Evolution is the darling of the west, and Africa is in the spotlight of that theory suddenly make us heros. The extra material feed in that theory for the black man is simply that nature has upgraded to a new species of mankind and is ready to do away with the old any time. So evolution is no longer on our side, but dissolution.

Go back and read your stuffs very wella, if you belong to the intellectually black club. Ibadan lemo, ee mo laipo (you are only familiar with the palatable aspect of evolution, not the ulterior motive concealed behind it). I am a prince, I don't take orders for my ancestral traditions from unknown faceless people advancing "theory" put fort by a man.

Do you see a man skillful in his work? He will stand before kings; he will not stand before obscure men.
Proverbs 22:29.

Sorry if my writeup is somehow offensive, there is no permanent friendship, only permanent interest.

I hold no grudge against my best friend, uncle bigfrancis.

chulla12: So where are Macof, Bororojo, Pagan9ja, et al to refute this elucidating paragraph which justifies this thread.

Or Yorubas are more "worthy" or middle-eastern origins than Igbos, abi?

Fulaman198:

The guys post just wreaks of vast inferiority complex

chulla12: So where are Macof, Bororojo, Pagan9ja, et al to refute this elucidating paragraph which justifies this thread.

Or Yorubas are more "worthy" or middle-eastern origins than Igbos, abi?

bigfrancis21:

Exactly. You don't see Pagan9ja losing sleep over Yoruba-hebraic threads. Once it's about the Igbo, you'll see him jump into action like someone on his buttock by a ravaging bee.

bigfrancis21:

Exactly. You don't see Pagan9ja losing sleep over Yoruba-hebraic threads. Once it's about the Igbo, you'll see him jump into action like someone on his buttock by a ravaging bee.

PAGAN9JA:


I admit that I am more partial when it comes to Igbos than to Yorubas in such matters. The reason for this is that I feel Yoruba religion is relatively safe and expanding because they stick to their beliefs.

However on Igbos, Odinani is disappearing at a very fast rate and there is hardly any encouragement for active practice from the side of Igbos. Theres not 1 Dbia who has really come forward to spread or teach the Religion to the masses.

Therefore , Igbo religious identity is much more vulnerable than that of Yorubas and such posts only serve to negatively impact the cause i am fighting for.


Dont take it personal. I am doing this because I am concerned for Igbo beliefs. not because I have anything against Igbos in general.

PAGAN9JA:


I admit that I am more partial when it comes to Igbos than to Yorubas in such matters. The reason for this is that I feel Yoruba religion is relatively safe and expanding because they stick to their beliefs.

However on Igbos, Odinani is disappearing at a very fast rate and there is hardly any encouragement for active practice from the side of Igbos. Theres not 1 Dbia who has really come forward to spread or teach the Religion to the masses.

Therefore , Igbo religious identity is much more vulnerable than that of Yorubas and such posts only serve to negatively impact the cause i am fighting for.


Dont take it personal. I am doing this because I am concerned for Igbo beliefs. not because I have anything against Igbos in general.

bigfrancis21:

I have not had your time since because I have been busy. Classes have resumed. Now let us dissect your post carefully point by point and mirror to you the pervasive littering of fallacy ad hominem.

First off, on what baseless basis do you claim that Igbo Odinani is fast dying away? Have you ever stepped foot into Igboland to confirm for yourself? Are you even aware that a good percentage of the Igbo people, especially in the villages, are ATR practitioners?

Second, what connects intellectual discourse on one's possible origins to Odinani? What is the logical basis of this? Are you aware that the Igbo people are not of one common origin but of different origins from different acnestors coming from different locations at different times in the annals of history and are bound today by a common spoken language? The implication of which is only a fraction of the Igbo people may have related Hebraic ancestry. Now how does the Igbo traditional religion relate to the fact that one is seeking to reconnect to one's ancestry? What proof whatsoever do you have to show that it leads to the death of Igbo TR? Common sense is indeed not common.

Third, the Igbo traditional Religion in its pure form has been documented to have its practises similar to the ancient Hebrew tradition of the heydays of the bible. Now if a sect of the Igbo today, who are of a foreign religion - Christianity, are truly hebraic related and seek to reconnect to their ancestral Hebraic roots and all attendant religious practises that comes with it, it logically, clearly and conversely follows that they are seeking to return to the ancient traditional practises of their forefathers before the introduction of Christianity. How does it warrant needless spews from you, a foreigner and total stranger with little or no indepth idea of the Igbo culture except from what you read online? This is not rocket science, but simple common sense.

[b]Fourth, speaking of the devil, the so-called loss of traditional religion, how dare you stand up and deride Igbo's tradition of a so-called fast disappearance rate when yours is today merely a walking shadow of its former self? Tell me what element of Hausa traditional culture today that is purely Hausa except for the language? The Hausa traditional religion has been holistically usurped by Islamic influence. Hausas don't bear native Hausa names, Hausas don't practise their traditional religion(in fact I have yet to ever hear of a Hausa traditional religion or see someone practicing it), and the Hausa language itself that bears remnants of a lost Hausa culture reeks of massive Arabic influences in forms of loan words. How do you begin to explain that? The Igbos still have their ATR intact, still have practitioners of the religion, albeit especially ubiquitous in the rural areas, bear Igbo names and last names, speak their language, have their set of cosmology and astrological beliefs and what have you. Now, juxtaposing both cultures - one merely a shadow of its former self and the latter still very much alive today, on what basis should you a descendant of an usurped culture stand up and point fingers of a so-called 'fast loosing culture' at another stronger culture than yours? [/b]

I will elucidate here once more for the sake of posterity that before replying this post and preparing a rebuttal deserving of intellectual acclaim you should take time to sit and ponder on the blemishes of your faulted logic before spitting out more logics that reek of logical fallacies. Yea I know, thinking is the hardest job there is and not everybody is capable of transcendental and deep complex thinking.

Energy48: Have the Igbo got any proof or they are just speculating? Many people think they are Hebrews but they can't prove it.
Ibo,hausa and Yorubas...y'all negroes whether you like it or not...Hebrew ko. Jew ni...what a shame?
It is different with the Yoruba. Before Ajayi Crowther replaced their name with Yoruba, the people were called HEBREWS. So you see the Yoruba already have the PROOF in their old name that they are the TRUE HEBREWS, the Israel of God.

bigfrancis21:

I have not had your time since because I have been busy. Classes have resumed. Now let us dissect your post carefully point by point and mirror to you the pervasive littering of fallacy ad hominem.

First off, on what baseless basis do you claim that Igbo Odinani is fast dying away? Have you ever stepped foot into Igboland to confirm for yourself? Are you even aware that a good percentage of the Igbo people, especially in the villages, are ATR practitioners?

Second, what connects intellectual discourse on one's possible origins to Odinani? What is the logical basis of this? Are you aware that the Igbo people are not of one common origin but of different origins from different acnestors coming from different locations at different times in the annals of history and are bound today by a common spoken language? The implication of which is only a fraction of the Igbo people may have related Hebraic ancestry. Now how does the Igbo traditional religion relate to the fact that one is seeking to reconnect to one's ancestry? What proof whatsoever do you have to show that it leads to the death of Igbo TR? Common sense is indeed not common.

Third, the Igbo traditional Religion in its pure form has been documented to have its practises similar to the ancient Hebrew tradition of the heydays of the bible. Now if a sect of the Igbo today, who are of a foreign religion - Christianity, are truly hebraic related and seek to reconnect to their ancestral Hebraic roots and all attendant religious practises that comes with it, it logically, clearly and conversely follows that they are seeking to return to the ancient traditional practises of their forefathers before the introduction of Christianity. How does it warrant needless spews from you, a foreigner and total stranger with little or no indepth idea of the Igbo culture except from what you read online? This is not rocket science, but simple common sense.

Fourth, speaking of the devil, the so-called loss of traditional religion, how dare you stand up and deride Igbo's tradition of a so-called fast disappearance rate when yours is today merely a walking shadow of its former self? Tell me what element of Hausa traditional culture today that is purely Hausa except for the language? The Hausa traditional religion has been holistically usurped by Islamic influence. Hausas don't bear native Hausa names, Hausas don't practise their traditional religion(in fact I have yet to ever hear of a Hausa traditional religion or see someone practicing it), and the Hausa language itself that bears remnants of a lost Hausa culture reeks of massive Arabic influences in forms of loan words. How do you begin to explain that? The Igbos still have their ATR intact, still have practitioners of the religion, albeit especially ubiquitous in the rural areas, bear Igbo names and last names, speak their language, have their set of cosmology and astrological beliefs and what have you. Now, juxtaposing both cultures - one merely a shadow of its former self and the latter still very much alive today, on what basis should you a descendant of an usurped culture stand up and point fingers of a so-called 'fast loosing culture' at another stronger culture than yours?

I will elucidate here once more for the sake of posterity that before replying this post and preparing a rebuttal deserving of intellectual acclaim you should take time to sit and ponder on the blemishes of your faulted logic before spitting out more logics that reek of logical fallacies. Yea I know, thinking is the hardest job there is and not everybody is capable of transcendental and deep complex thinking.

PAGAN9JA:

[s]ok.



ON the fact that these same village people are moving to the cities and joining christian cults. Most of these villagers already have a side christian background. when they move to the cities , they throw away Omenela and build on their christian background. What is left in the village is the elders and the dregs of society. Igbos have successfully turned Omenela into nothing more than a village religion . not even a religion, just a cultural masquerade.



Everyone knows that Odinani has no man-founder or prophet like general trends in any Pagan religion. so a hebrew origin is not possible. I have already explained these reasons to you before on why its not possible. Dont make me repeat that again. Also werent you saying the last time we had this discussion that now you no longer really believe Igbos are the lost jews. Abegi do you change your mind after every Sunday of brainwashing Prove they have a Hebraic ancestry! Look at your face in the mirror! Do you look Semitic! Please! You look more Congoid-Bantu then semitic. stop lying to yourself! Igbo Traditional Religion is the rleigion of the Igbo tribe based on Ancient polytheism that has no connection whatsoever to abrahamic monotheism.
Your jewish theory will only serve to cause more Igbos to joing abrahamic faiths as their newfound "Ancestral Religion" you are just creating confusion and chaos to serve your own needs. and this is affecting Igbo TR in a very negative way. stop playing with history like this!



Show me these similarities to Judaism or christianity. Abraham created monotheistic judaism 1000s of years back. Are you saying Igbos migrated before Abraham? Show me proof of this! Present to me a proper timeline and explanation of events. I am waiting. I will give ou some time to cook up a theory. So basically you are trying to say that christianity is the true traditional religion of your forefathers and what Igbo Traditional Religion is being practiced by your elders is nothing but invented trash? TUFIAKWA! see what brainwashing has done to you! NOw you have replaced your REAL religion with that of the foreign missonaries. Exactly What they wanted!
What do you know about ODINANI? Explain it here? Is Amadioha a Hebraic God? cmon Im waiting for these similarity proofs. You want me to go down the same road with you again as last time. Ok FIne! So be it! Let us waste some more time!




Niggah please! My Hausa brethren did not create a thread here on Nairaland claiming that they came from middle-east. If they did so , I would have replied to them in the same manner im replying to you!





shut up and go sleep.[/s]