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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 2:25am On Dec 26, 2011
The Khoisan and Australian Aborigines for instance are not descendants of Abraham and were not carried away to serve as slaves. Not all blacks are his descendants but the iniquity of the Amorites, including racism, is worldwide.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 8:51am On Dec 29, 2011
The Cuckoo Jews and their fellow Amorites and Arabs have not been able to confidently decipher the meaning of Aaron.
http://www.abarim-publications.com/Meaning/Aaron.html

Should we tell them?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by NegroNtns(m): 2:22am On Jan 02, 2012
Aaron, Aare and Ares. . . . all take root from same title, "The one who leads in battle".
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 2:58am On Jan 02, 2012
What of Aarin, as in Aarinade and Aarinayo?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 12:23am On Jan 05, 2012
Eloah - Oluwa?
Eloah is said to mean mighty, powerful One
Ela - El - Elah (Aramaic)?

Ela told Abraham (Genesis 15:16) that in the 4th generation his descendants would return to Israel. It seems we are already in that generation.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 3:44am On Jan 05, 2012
Fon Yehwe (Spirit/the Power in thunder and lightening)
Ewe Yeve (Spirit)
Gun Yehwe, Yihwe

I guess Gun is Egun.

Taken from page 23 of African Origins of the Word God.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 1:17pm On Jan 11, 2012
Hi amor4ce,

I don't want to spoil your fun. I just wish to point out YOU DON'T NEED TO GUESS at how certain Hebrew words match present present day Yoruba words. The answers you seek are available if you wish to know the right pronunciation of the original words in the original texts.

For example; you can access the original Hebrew alphabets online and learn how to use them to read the ORIGINAL texts like in the dead sea scrolls.

Also remember we are talking of 3000 years history here. Therefore, bear in mind two things. 1. Language evolves so how Hebrew was spoken 3000 years is not going to be the same way it is spoken today. 2nd point is: The Israelites were divided into 12 tribes. Key word here is tribes. Which means, even though they were all ERVERH, they spoke dialects of the ERVERH aka the Hebrew language. Check this out at Judges 12:4-6. This again means the modern version of Yoruba does not determine how words were pronounced in the Hebrew DIALECT that was used to write the Bible. More important, the Bible was written in Ketav IVRI aka the dialect of the Levites, which is one tribe out of the twelve.  IVRI pronounced ERVERH stands for Hebrew. Therefore Ketav IVRI means the dialect of the people of Keta(v). Technically that means the language of the people of KETA also known as Anlo in  the Volta region of present day Ghana, and therefore, even though we are all ERVERH, their dialect would be different to yours. When you learn to speak Hebrew you will find this to be the case. The Hebrew language is very similar to the language of modern day Keta.

Finally bear in mind you can not use language to determine who is a Hebrew and who is not. People are defeated in war and adopt the language of the conquerors. Foer example you and I speak English but it does not mean we are are Europeans. Therefore, it is not very wise to look at word or language similarities to determine if two people are related. The best tool to know who is who, is the oral traditions, in addition to the NATIVE names of towns and people in the villages whose identity has not been corrupted by foreigners. For instance if you check the history of the Yoruba, the Ewes in Ghana and the people of Togo and Benin you will find in addition to the dialects being MUTUALLY comprehensible (discernible) their history is ALSO related. Thus you know these are all the same people from the same origins.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 12:51am On Jan 12, 2012
I am well aware of that the comparison of similar words is not enough as one could easily be accused of engaging in some sort of pseudo-comparative linguistics. For instance some people claimed that Igbo (Eboe) is derived from the word "Hebrew". Thus, in my blog I have looked at the oral traditions, cultural practices and shared histories.

At the moment I haven’t studied the Hebrew orthography due to certain extenuating circumstances. But given that the occupants of Israel today have been parading themselves as descendants of Jacob for quite a while now, coupled with the assumption (my assumption) that the online resources for learning those pronunciations have been put together by these cuckoo Jews and people who learn from them, what guarantee is there that I can learn therefrom Hebrew in its purity? Wouldn’t that be akin to learning Yoruba from a Khoisan?

As for Keta, I have previously wondered if that name of that town/city is the same as Ketu in Benin Republic and in Lagos.

The Fon of Dahomey migrated from Tado just as the Ewe. Does this mean that the Fon and Ewe were previously one upon migrating from Oyo but then diverged from the Ewe at when both left Tado? I do know that there are similar cultural/religious practices shared by the Fon and Ewe, the most conspicuous of which is the Ifa divination. Perhaps these similar practices were adopted by the Fon from Ewe and Yoruba POWs?

Can you help me with the Ewe equivalent of the Yoruba name Dawodu?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by geezyk(m): 10:54pm On Jan 09, 2013
I like this write up,its really enlightening.


Keep it up
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by macof(m): 4:59pm On Aug 11, 2014
Mad people everywhere undecided
Pls go to ur village and ask ur fathers for your history and stop this silly Jew worshipping

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Fulaman198(m): 5:15pm On Aug 11, 2014
Why do Africans (blacks) have a hard time being proud of their own tradition or culture.

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Nobody: 5:43pm On Aug 11, 2014
Everybody wants to escape the 'curse' of blackness. undecided

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Fulaman198(m): 5:52pm On Aug 11, 2014
Radoillo: Everybody wants to escape the 'curse' of blackness. undecided

Yah my brother it's extremely sad

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by bigfrancis21(m): 6:04pm On Aug 11, 2014
Radoillo: Everybody wants to escape the 'curse' of blackness. undecided

I am proud to be black and wouldn't want to be otherwise. In one way, hebraic descent stories in Africa reeks of inferiority complex. I hardly ever put thoughts into the supposed Igbo-Hebraic talks until I come on nairaland. I have never even seen myself as a Jew how much more an Israeli. LOL. As you know, I am very proud of my Igbo culture, my language and my country.

My views on the other thread were only my observations on similarities between both peoples, which may come off as being a supporter. But no, I am not.

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Fulaman198(m): 5:11pm On Aug 13, 2014
bigfrancis21:

I am proud to be black and wouldn't want to be otherwise. In one way, hebraic descent stories in Africa reeks of inferiority complex. I hardly ever put thoughts into the supposed Igbo-Hebraic talks until I come on nairaland. I have never even seen myself as a Jew how much more an Israeli. LOL. As you know, I am very proud of my Igbo culture, my language and my country.

My views on the other thread were only my observations on similarities between both peoples, which may come off as being a supporter. But no, I am not.

Very true bro! Worshipping of Arabs is just as bad too
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by lepasharon(f): 6:40pm On Aug 13, 2014
Do you guys think those ppl in Israel today are the real Jews?.. Just asking oo Abeg.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Fulaman198(m): 6:58pm On Aug 13, 2014
lepasharon: Do you guys think those ppl in Israel today are the real Jews?.. Just asking oo Abeg.

No they are obviously not, a lot of them are Europeans with very slight Jewish ancestry. Then you also have the Ethiopian Jews who are truly Jews themselves.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by 2prexios: 11:21am On Aug 16, 2014
bigfrancis21:

I am proud to be black and wouldn't want to be otherwise. In one way, hebraic descent stories in Africa reeks of inferiority complex. I hardly ever put thoughts into the supposed Igbo-Hebraic talks until I come on nairaland. I have never even seen myself as a Jew how much more an Israeli. LOL. As you know, I am very proud of my Igbo culture, my language and my country.

My views on the other thread were only my observations on similarities between both peoples, which may come off as being a supporter. But no, I am not.

How much were you paid for this anticlimax? 2 Likes? more are coming?

Please, learn to isolate public/personal opinion from historical speculations. The task of the young mind is to find curiosity and engage it to the letter. Maybe in it is a discovery of value or a serendipity for the erudite. When you make the above choice, you sound like people who believe what you unbelieve were not sound and capable of reaching choice conclusion. You did not take emotional-intelligence precaution.

People use their sense of emotion more than they do, their logic. And that is the bane of several African-child growing in this age and time. But they must be tutor to know that there are blacks who will not bent to silly black pride in the name of history and eugenics. You have your brain, use it. This is how:

There is fine line of difference between being a "black intellectual" and being "intellectually black". An intellectually black person cannot separate racial sentiment from intellectual discourse. Such sneers at the opinion of others and never will ever come with any original acceptable index.

These are called dog-men, barking orders at others and bending their will and buffeting the desire in others to find out more about their curiosity or a fancy of any choice. Manipulating them by so doing to the preferred sentiments of the (intellectually black) club. I don't belong to this club, I belong to black intellectual club.

Let those that believe that the ancestors of the black race were Hebrew hold their believe and share their findings with their kinds, let those that believe that their ancestors were apes believe the same with their ilks on board. Which is true, time will tell. I always know of a flow from Epicurus, to John Dee to The Tempest [/i]and to [i]The Descent of man. I know the flickering of the compass.

But of course there can be a point of interception here: let the Hebrew club share their Hebrew correlations if need be, and let the descendants of apes come up and share the point of spontaneous generation of life where men were created crawl out in Africa with their friends and by so doing, the liturgy of Africa would improve tremendously.

Until then, I am entitled to my doubts that the fact that Evolution is the darling of the west, and Africa is in the spotlight of that theory suddenly make us heros. The extra material feed in that theory for the black man is simply that nature has upgraded to a new species of mankind and is ready to do away with the old any time. So evolution is no longer on our side, but dissolution.

Go back and read your stuffs very wella, if you belong to the intellectually black club. Ibadan lemo, ee mo laipo (you are only familiar with the palatable aspect of evolution, not the ulterior motive concealed behind it). I am a prince, I don't take orders for my ancestral traditions from unknown faceless people advancing "theory" put fort by a man.

Do you see a man skillful in his work? He will stand before kings; he will not stand before obscure men.
Proverbs 22:29.

Sorry if my writeup is somehow offensive, there is no permanent friendship, only permanent interest.

I hold no grudge against my best friend, uncle bigfrancis. cheesy

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by 2prexios: 11:40am On Aug 16, 2014
angry angry angry angry angry cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley smiley tongue
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by OJODEL10(m): 1:47am On Aug 21, 2014
Oodaye- ye-Ooda- JUDA.

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Nobody: 4:58am On Aug 21, 2014
So where are Macof, Bororojo, Pagan9ja, et al to refute this elucidating paragraph which justifies this thread.

Or Yorubas are more "worthy" or middle-eastern origins than Igbos, abi?



2prexios:

How much were you paid for this anticlimax? 2 Likes? more are coming?

Please, learn to isolate public/personal opinion from historical speculations. The task of the young mind is to find curiosity and engage it to the letter. Maybe in it is a discovery of value or a serendipity for the erudite. When you make the above choice, you sound like people who believe what you unbelieve were not sound and capable of reaching choice conclusion. You did not take emotional-intelligence precaution.

People use their sense of emotion more than they do, their logic. And that is the bane of several African-child growing in this age and time. But they must be tutor to know that there are blacks who will not bent to silly black pride in the name of history and eugenics. You have your brain, use it. This is how:

There is fine line of difference between being a "black intellectual" and being "intellectually black". An intellectually black person cannot separate racial sentiment from intellectual discourse. Such sneers at the opinion of others and never will ever come with any original acceptable index.

These are called dog-men, barking orders at others and bending their will and buffeting the desire in others to find out more about their curiosity or a fancy of any choice. Manipulating them by so doing to the preferred sentiments of the (intellectually black) club. I don't belong to this club, I belong to black intellectual club.

Let those that believe that the ancestors of the black race were Hebrew hold their believe and share their findings with their kinds, let those that believe that their ancestors were apes believe the same with their ilks on board. Which is true, time will tell. I always know of a flow from Epicurus, to John Dee to The Tempest [/i]and to [i]The Descent of man. I know the flickering of the compass.

But of course there can be a point of interception here: let the Hebrew club share their Hebrew correlations if need be, and let the descendants of apes come up and share the point of spontaneous generation of life where men were created in Africa with their friends and by so doing, the liturgy of Africa would improve tremendously.

Until then, I am entitled to my doubts that the fact that Evolution is the darling of the west, and Africa is in the spotlight of that theory suddenly make us heros. The extra material feed in that theory for the black man is simply that nature has upgraded to a new species of mankind and is ready to do away with the old any time. So evolution is no longer on our side, but dissolution.

Go back and read your stuffs very wella, if you belong to the intellectually black club. Ibadan lemo, ee mo laipo (you are only familiar with the palatable aspect of evolution, not the ulterior motive concealed behind it). I am a prince, I don't take orders for my ancestral traditions from unknown faceless people advancing "theory" put fort by a man.

Do you see a man skillful in his work? He will stand before kings; he will not stand before obscure men.
Proverbs 22:29.

Sorry if my writeup is somehow offensive, there is no permanent friendship, only permanent interest.

I hold no grudge against my best friend, uncle bigfrancis. cheesy
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Fulaman198(m): 6:57am On Aug 21, 2014
chulla12: So where are Macof, Bororojo, Pagan9ja, et al to refute this elucidating paragraph which justifies this thread.

Or Yorubas are more "worthy" or middle-eastern origins than Igbos, abi?




The guys post just wreaks of vast inferiority complex

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by 2prexios: 12:37pm On Sep 01, 2014
Fulaman198:

The guys post just wreaks of vast inferiority complex

@Fulaman, you can always speak within the limit of your competence, and at the limit of your competence, someone else's competence began. I can see your faceless friends grin. Your post is their consolation. Alright, they want to hear me out? that's good. You don't have a story to tell, just a fight or, disagreement. I no send you O, I am not one of your charles Darwin slave... cheesy

Now back to basics, the characteristics of living things are "M.R. N.I.G.E.R. D." according to simplest biology. Movement is the first of the characteristics of living things. The E stands for Excretion sir, not Evolution, which is what your groupie want to impose on us as history via African pride. History is the diversification of people from one point to the other, not evolution.

Tell your side of the story if you have any. Tell us evolution if that's was what you understood as History, or stick to your tease forever. cool

By the way, you don't know how inferior your complexes are. You don't seems to know the difference between a "theory" and an "absolute" Evolution is a theory, not absolute. so I understand your groupie's frustration is borne out of not knowing the difference. Here is my Theory of Education for instance:

WP{ORE}IUK

By this token, I meant to say "Prime Wisdom is a Function of Observation, Recording and Explanation, and a close Function of Impacting Understanding and Knowledge". You do not know how to question your answers. Darwin wrote a book on his observations, he did not create the world, so I can choose to disagree with his observation because he is an observer, not the maker.

Whatever you have been taught comes from a source's Prime Wisdom, which is obtain from such individual's Observation, and Recording (for it to survive) and is kept in peoples mind through Explanation. Furthermore, it is meant to Impact in others, Understanding which is pathway to Knowledge.

The white man whom you are slaving for via evolution-theory call it "theory", but it has become "absolute" to you and your groupie. Anyone who do not parrot your worldview has inferiority complex. If that is inferiority complex, I will rather make the best of it, than dwell in your subtly proposed "ideal amnesia".

Back to my theory now: evolution is from the prime wisdom of Epicurus, when he took on the school of Plato on "the myth of the cave" and Elysium. Now I do not like to be an iconoclast, the man in 10pound took it from there to sneer at Compte De Gobineau's "Aryan nation". and to me, it is a Trojan horse. In fact, evolution is a compress-word for "change is constant, everything undergo change." - Epicurus.

Now if you are given someone elses observation as prime wisdom, learn to question it. It is just an observation, which become popular because it was recorded to explain an issue. It is left to you to make it "theory" or "absolute" based on your agenda. Don't impose your limit on me.

Let me help you to hierarchy of knowledge:

Absolute is higher than law, which is higher than principle, which is higher than tradition, which is higher than theory, which is higher than hypothesis, which is higher than observation, which is higher than speculation, which is higher than intuition, which is higher than stupidity.

"Theory" is low in hierarchy of knowledge to absolute. Evolution is a white man's theory, not absolute. I pray you can spot the difference. Stop slaving for it to fill the vacuum of modern religion in you with secularism. Your choice is yours, mine is mine. I'm not your attache or inferior to you. I can think and make intellectual choices in a free society without been scared of being bullied.

You think evolution is doing you a historical service?
It is a "protocol", a Greek gift and Trojan horse.
I pray you can spot the difference.

I think you are spies,
or undercover.
infilteratorslipsrsealed
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by bigfrancis21(m): 5:27pm On Sep 01, 2014
chulla12: So where are Macof, Bororojo, Pagan9ja, et al to refute this elucidating paragraph which justifies this thread.

Or Yorubas are more "worthy" or middle-eastern origins than Igbos, abi?




Exactly. You don't see Pagan9ja losing sleep over Yoruba-hebraic threads. Once it's about the Igbo, you'll see him jump into action like someone on his buttock by a ravaging bee.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by PAGAN9JA(m): 10:03pm On Sep 01, 2014
bigfrancis21:

Exactly. You don't see Pagan9ja losing sleep over Yoruba-hebraic threads. Once it's about the Igbo, you'll see him jump into action like someone on his buttock by a ravaging bee.


I admit that I am more partial when it comes to Igbos than to Yorubas in such matters. The reason for this is that I feel Yoruba religion is relatively safe and expanding because they stick to their beliefs.

However on Igbos, Odinani is disappearing at a very fast rate and there is hardly any encouragement for active practice from the side of Igbos. Theres not 1 Dbia who has really come forward to spread or teach the Religion to the masses.

Therefore , Igbo religious identity is much more vulnerable than that of Yorubas and such posts only serve to negatively impact the cause i am fighting for.


Dont take it personal. I am doing this because I am concerned for Igbo beliefs. not because I have anything against Igbos in general.

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by macof(m): 9:24pm On Sep 02, 2014
bigfrancis21:

Exactly. You don't see Pagan9ja losing sleep over Yoruba-hebraic threads. Once it's about the Igbo, you'll see him jump into action like someone on his buttock by a ravaging bee.
Are you a Jew or were your ancestors Jews? grin cus I don't know your position on this Jewish-igbo thing
Today u say u are proud Igbo only showing links between the two cultures, tomorrow you bring up Jewish propaganda that Igbo are Jewish and attack people for opposing the article

There's another thread about Igbo being ancestors and builders of the bantu Kingdoms. you might want to see that grin

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by bigfrancis21(m): 2:31am On Sep 03, 2014
PAGAN9JA:


I admit that I am more partial when it comes to Igbos than to Yorubas in such matters. The reason for this is that I feel Yoruba religion is relatively safe and expanding because they stick to their beliefs.

However on Igbos, Odinani is disappearing at a very fast rate and there is hardly any encouragement for active practice from the side of Igbos. Theres not 1 Dbia who has really come forward to spread or teach the Religion to the masses.

Therefore , Igbo religious identity is much more vulnerable than that of Yorubas and such posts only serve to negatively impact the cause i am fighting for.


Dont take it personal. I am doing this because I am concerned for Igbo beliefs. not because I have anything against Igbos in general.

I have not had your time since because I have been busy. Classes have resumed. Now let us dissect your post carefully point by point and mirror to you the pervasive littering of fallacy ad hominem.

First off, on what baseless basis do you claim that Igbo Odinani is fast dying away? Have you ever stepped foot into Igboland to confirm for yourself? Are you even aware that a good percentage of the Igbo people, especially in the villages, are ATR practitioners?

Second, what connects intellectual discourse on one's possible origins to Odinani? What is the logical basis of this? Are you aware that the Igbo people are not of one common origin but of different origins from different acnestors coming from different locations at different times in the annals of history and are bound today by a common spoken language? The implication of which is only a fraction of the Igbo people may have related Hebraic ancestry. Now how does the Igbo traditional religion relate to the fact that one is seeking to reconnect to one's ancestry? What proof whatsoever do you have to show that it leads to the death of Igbo TR? Common sense is indeed not common.

Third, the Igbo traditional Religion in its pure form has been documented to have its practises similar to the ancient Hebrew tradition of the heydays of the bible. Now if a sect of the Igbo today, who are of a foreign religion - Christianity, are truly hebraic related and seek to reconnect to their ancestral Hebraic roots and all attendant religious practises that comes with it, it logically, clearly and conversely follows that they are seeking to return to the ancient traditional practises of their forefathers before the introduction of Christianity. How does it warrant needless spews from you, a foreigner and total stranger with little or no indepth idea of the Igbo culture except from what you read online? This is not rocket science, but simple common sense.

Fourth, speaking of the devil, the so-called loss of traditional religion, how dare you stand up and deride Igbo's tradition of a so-called fast disappearance rate when yours is today merely a walking shadow of its former self? Tell me what element of Hausa traditional culture today that is purely Hausa except for the language? The Hausa traditional religion has been holistically usurped by Islamic influence. Hausas don't bear native Hausa names, Hausas don't practise their traditional religion(in fact I have yet to ever hear of a Hausa traditional religion or see someone practicing it), and the Hausa language itself that bears remnants of a lost Hausa culture reeks of massive Arabic influences in forms of loan words. How do you begin to explain that? The Igbos still have their ATR intact, still have practitioners of the religion, albeit especially ubiquitous in the rural areas, bear Igbo names and last names, speak their language, have their set of cosmology and astrological beliefs and what have you. Now, juxtaposing both cultures - one merely a shadow of its former self and the latter still very much alive today, on what basis should you a descendant of an usurped culture stand up and point fingers of a so-called 'fast loosing culture' at another stronger culture than yours?

I will elucidate here once more for the sake of posterity that before replying this post and preparing a rebuttal deserving of intellectual acclaim you should take time to sit and ponder on the blemishes of your faulted logic before spitting out more logics that reek of logical fallacies. Yea I know, thinking is the hardest job there is and not everybody is capable of transcendental and deep complex thinking.

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Nobody: 7:25am On Sep 04, 2014
Wow....just.....

wow.


PAGAN9JA:


I admit that I am more partial when it comes to Igbos than to Yorubas in such matters. The reason for this is that I feel Yoruba religion is relatively safe and expanding because they stick to their beliefs.

However on Igbos, Odinani is disappearing at a very fast rate and there is hardly any encouragement for active practice from the side of Igbos. Theres not 1 Dbia who has really come forward to spread or teach the Religion to the masses.

Therefore , Igbo religious identity is much more vulnerable than that of Yorubas and such posts only serve to negatively impact the cause i am fighting for.


Dont take it personal. I am doing this because I am concerned for Igbo beliefs. not because I have anything against Igbos in general.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Nobody: 7:42am On Sep 04, 2014
Muhehehehehehehe. grin grin grin



bigfrancis21:

I have not had your time since because I have been busy. Classes have resumed. Now let us dissect your post carefully point by point and mirror to you the pervasive littering of fallacy ad hominem.

First off, on what baseless basis do you claim that Igbo Odinani is fast dying away? Have you ever stepped foot into Igboland to confirm for yourself? Are you even aware that a good percentage of the Igbo people, especially in the villages, are ATR practitioners?

Second, what connects intellectual discourse on one's possible origins to Odinani? What is the logical basis of this? Are you aware that the Igbo people are not of one common origin but of different origins from different acnestors coming from different locations at different times in the annals of history and are bound today by a common spoken language? The implication of which is only a fraction of the Igbo people may have related Hebraic ancestry. Now how does the Igbo traditional religion relate to the fact that one is seeking to reconnect to one's ancestry? What proof whatsoever do you have to show that it leads to the death of Igbo TR? Common sense is indeed not common.

Third, the Igbo traditional Religion in its pure form has been documented to have its practises similar to the ancient Hebrew tradition of the heydays of the bible. Now if a sect of the Igbo today, who are of a foreign religion - Christianity, are truly hebraic related and seek to reconnect to their ancestral Hebraic roots and all attendant religious practises that comes with it, it logically, clearly and conversely follows that they are seeking to return to the ancient traditional practises of their forefathers before the introduction of Christianity. How does it warrant needless spews from you, a foreigner and total stranger with little or no indepth idea of the Igbo culture except from what you read online? This is not rocket science, but simple common sense.

[b]Fourth, speaking of the devil, the so-called loss of traditional religion, how dare you stand up and deride Igbo's tradition of a so-called fast disappearance rate when yours is today merely a walking shadow of its former self? Tell me what element of Hausa traditional culture today that is purely Hausa except for the language? The Hausa traditional religion has been holistically usurped by Islamic influence. Hausas don't bear native Hausa names, Hausas don't practise their traditional religion(in fact I have yet to ever hear of a Hausa traditional religion or see someone practicing it), and the Hausa language itself that bears remnants of a lost Hausa culture reeks of massive Arabic influences in forms of loan words. How do you begin to explain that? The Igbos still have their ATR intact, still have practitioners of the religion, albeit especially ubiquitous in the rural areas, bear Igbo names and last names, speak their language, have their set of cosmology and astrological beliefs and what have you. Now, juxtaposing both cultures - one merely a shadow of its former self and the latter still very much alive today, on what basis should you a descendant of an usurped culture stand up and point fingers of a so-called 'fast loosing culture' at another stronger culture than yours? [/b]

I will elucidate here once more for the sake of posterity that before replying this post and preparing a rebuttal deserving of intellectual acclaim you should take time to sit and ponder on the blemishes of your faulted logic before spitting out more logics that reek of logical fallacies. Yea I know, thinking is the hardest job there is and not everybody is capable of transcendental and deep complex thinking.

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by wildikeman(m): 6:22pm On Sep 04, 2014
Energy48: Have the Igbo got any proof or they are just speculating? Many people think they are Hebrews but they can't prove it.
Ibo,hausa and Yorubas...y'all negroes whether you like it or not...Hebrew ko. Jew ni...what a shame?
It is different with the Yoruba. Before Ajayi Crowther replaced their name with Yoruba, the people were called HEBREWS. So you see the Yoruba already have the PROOF in their old name that they are the TRUE HEBREWS, the Israel of God.

Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by PAGAN9JA(m): 12:16am On Sep 05, 2014
bigfrancis21:

I have not had your time since because I have been busy. Classes have resumed. Now let us dissect your post carefully point by point and mirror to you the pervasive littering of fallacy ad hominem.

ok.

First off, on what baseless basis do you claim that Igbo Odinani is fast dying away? Have you ever stepped foot into Igboland to confirm for yourself? Are you even aware that a good percentage of the Igbo people, especially in the villages, are ATR practitioners?

ON the fact that these same village people are moving to the cities and joining christian cults. Most of these villagers already have a side christian background. when they move to the cities , they throw away Omenela and build on their christian background. What is left in the village is the elders and the dregs of society. Igbos have successfully turned Omenela into nothing more than a village religion . not even a religion, just a cultural masquerade.

Second, what connects intellectual discourse on one's possible origins to Odinani? What is the logical basis of this? Are you aware that the Igbo people are not of one common origin but of different origins from different acnestors coming from different locations at different times in the annals of history and are bound today by a common spoken language? The implication of which is only a fraction of the Igbo people may have related Hebraic ancestry. Now how does the Igbo traditional religion relate to the fact that one is seeking to reconnect to one's ancestry? What proof whatsoever do you have to show that it leads to the death of Igbo TR? Common sense is indeed not common.

Everyone knows that Odinani has no man-founder or prophet like general trends in any Pagan religion. so a hebrew origin is not possible. I have already explained these reasons to you before on why its not possible. Dont make me repeat that again. Also werent you saying the last time we had this discussion that now you no longer really believe Igbos are the lost jews. Abegi do you change your mind after every Sunday of brainwashing Prove they have a Hebraic ancestry! Look at your face in the mirror! Do you look Semitic! Please! You look more Congoid-Bantu then semitic. stop lying to yourself! Igbo Traditional Religion is the rleigion of the Igbo tribe based on Ancient polytheism that has no connection whatsoever to abrahamic monotheism.
Your jewish theory will only serve to cause more Igbos to joing abrahamic faiths as their newfound "Ancestral Religion" you are just creating confusion and chaos to serve your own needs. and this is affecting Igbo TR in a very negative way. stop playing with history like this! angry

Third, the Igbo traditional Religion in its pure form has been documented to have its practises similar to the ancient Hebrew tradition of the heydays of the bible. Now if a sect of the Igbo today, who are of a foreign religion - Christianity, are truly hebraic related and seek to reconnect to their ancestral Hebraic roots and all attendant religious practises that comes with it, it logically, clearly and conversely follows that they are seeking to return to the ancient traditional practises of their forefathers before the introduction of Christianity. How does it warrant needless spews from you, a foreigner and total stranger with little or no indepth idea of the Igbo culture except from what you read online? This is not rocket science, but simple common sense.

Show me these similarities to Judaism or christianity. Abraham created monotheistic judaism 1000s of years back. Are you saying Igbos migrated before Abraham? Show me proof of this! Present to me a proper timeline and explanation of events. I am waiting. I will give ou some time to cook up a theory. So basically you are trying to say that christianity is the true traditional religion of your forefathers and what Igbo Traditional Religion is being practiced by your elders is nothing but invented trash? TUFIAKWA! see what brainwashing has done to you! NOw you have replaced your REAL religion with that of the foreign missonaries. Exactly What they wanted! angry angry
What do you know about ODINANI? Explain it here? Is Amadioha a Hebraic God? cmon Im waiting for these similarity proofs. You want me to go down the same road with you again as last time. Ok FIne! So be it! Let us waste some more time! angry

Fourth, speaking of the devil, the so-called loss of traditional religion, how dare you stand up and deride Igbo's tradition of a so-called fast disappearance rate when yours is today merely a walking shadow of its former self? Tell me what element of Hausa traditional culture today that is purely Hausa except for the language? The Hausa traditional religion has been holistically usurped by Islamic influence. Hausas don't bear native Hausa names, Hausas don't practise their traditional religion(in fact I have yet to ever hear of a Hausa traditional religion or see someone practicing it), and the Hausa language itself that bears remnants of a lost Hausa culture reeks of massive Arabic influences in forms of loan words. How do you begin to explain that? The Igbos still have their ATR intact, still have practitioners of the religion, albeit especially ubiquitous in the rural areas, bear Igbo names and last names, speak their language, have their set of cosmology and astrological beliefs and what have you. Now, juxtaposing both cultures - one merely a shadow of its former self and the latter still very much alive today, on what basis should you a descendant of an usurped culture stand up and point fingers of a so-called 'fast loosing culture' at another stronger culture than yours?


Niggah please! My Hausa brethren did not create a thread here on Nairaland claiming that they came from middle-east. If they did so , I would have replied to them in the same manner im replying to you!



I will elucidate here once more for the sake of posterity that before replying this post and preparing a rebuttal deserving of intellectual acclaim you should take time to sit and ponder on the blemishes of your faulted logic before spitting out more logics that reek of logical fallacies. Yea I know, thinking is the hardest job there is and not everybody is capable of transcendental and deep complex thinking.


shut up and go sleep.

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by bigfrancis21(m): 12:21am On Sep 05, 2014
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ok.



ON the fact that these same village people are moving to the cities and joining christian cults. Most of these villagers already have a side christian background. when they move to the cities , they throw away Omenela and build on their christian background. What is left in the village is the elders and the dregs of society. Igbos have successfully turned Omenela into nothing more than a village religion . not even a religion, just a cultural masquerade.



Everyone knows that Odinani has no man-founder or prophet like general trends in any Pagan religion. so a hebrew origin is not possible. I have already explained these reasons to you before on why its not possible. Dont make me repeat that again. Also werent you saying the last time we had this discussion that now you no longer really believe Igbos are the lost jews. Abegi do you change your mind after every Sunday of brainwashing Prove they have a Hebraic ancestry! Look at your face in the mirror! Do you look Semitic! Please! You look more Congoid-Bantu then semitic. stop lying to yourself! Igbo Traditional Religion is the rleigion of the Igbo tribe based on Ancient polytheism that has no connection whatsoever to abrahamic monotheism.
Your jewish theory will only serve to cause more Igbos to joing abrahamic faiths as their newfound "Ancestral Religion" you are just creating confusion and chaos to serve your own needs. and this is affecting Igbo TR in a very negative way. stop playing with history like this! angry



Show me these similarities to Judaism or christianity. Abraham created monotheistic judaism 1000s of years back. Are you saying Igbos migrated before Abraham? Show me proof of this! Present to me a proper timeline and explanation of events. I am waiting. I will give ou some time to cook up a theory. So basically you are trying to say that christianity is the true traditional religion of your forefathers and what Igbo Traditional Religion is being practiced by your elders is nothing but invented trash? TUFIAKWA! see what brainwashing has done to you! NOw you have replaced your REAL religion with that of the foreign missonaries. Exactly What they wanted! angry angry
What do you know about ODINANI? Explain it here? Is Amadioha a Hebraic God? cmon Im waiting for these similarity proofs. You want me to go down the same road with you again as last time. Ok FIne! So be it! Let us waste some more time! angry




Niggah please! My Hausa brethren did not create a thread here on Nairaland claiming that they came from middle-east. If they did so , I would have replied to them in the same manner im replying to you!





shut up and go sleep.

Total balderash. Keep losing sleep over affairs that are not related to you.

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