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The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 6:47pm On Dec 11, 2011
Do you know the name Yoruba is not the true identity of the people called Yoruba? The name Yoruba was coined by Bishop Ajayi Crowther. By his action, he limited the history of the Yoruba to the creation of the name. The result is most Yoruba can not trace their history past the creation of the name Yoruba. Making Yoruba history about 200 years old.

The truth is before the name Yoruba the people had a name that went back more than 5000 years. However, by one stroke of the pen Bishop Crowther took away the complete history of the people.  Visit my black-history website and discover the proper and glorious name of the people and know your TRUE identity.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:03pm On Dec 11, 2011
now are you also descended from Jews like them Igbo undecided

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 7:09pm On Dec 11, 2011
Have the Igbo got any proof or they are just speculating? Many people think they are Hebrews but they can't prove it.

It is different with the Yoruba. Before Ajayi Crowther replaced their name with Yoruba, the people were called HEBREWS. So you see the Yoruba already have the PROOF in their old name that they are the TRUE HEBREWS, the Israel of God.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by PAGAN9JA(m): 8:28pm On Dec 11, 2011
shut up with your dirty slave mentality. angry

[size=16pt]YOU ARE YORUBA, THE DESCENDANTS OF ODUDUWA AND WORSHIPPERS OF THE DIVINE ORISHA[/size]

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 8:50pm On Dec 11, 2011
Oh dear! Did I touch a sore spot? What did I say to get you so upset? Go take a chill pill. You will feel better in the morning.

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 9:23pm On Dec 11, 2011
Do you have any proof that the Yoruba people were originally known as the Hebrews when they migrated to West Africa (below the 10th parallel)?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 9:28pm On Dec 11, 2011
amor4ce:

Do you have any proof that the Yoruba people were originally known as the Hebrews when they migrated to West Africa (below the 10th parallel)?

YES! I already said so in the OP. They were called HEBREWS. If the people were called HEBREWS before Bishop Crowther changed their name to Yoruba, what more proof do you want?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 9:55pm On Dec 11, 2011
Note that I did not post that comment with negative intentions.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 10:09pm On Dec 11, 2011
Oh yes I know! Please read the sample pages of my black-history website and discover some astonishing truth about the Yoruba people.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 3:26am On Dec 12, 2011
I've gone through the sample pages and noted some observations.

Remember that Israel was divided into 2 kingdoms, the northern kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah. Israel was carried away into captivity by the Assyrians while the Babylonians attacked Judah. Jeremiah preached to some of the people of Judah who went into Egypt. As for Israel, consider this from 2 Esdras 13:
2 Esdras 13:39 And whereas thou sawest that he gathered another peaceable multitude unto him;
2 Esdras 13:40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land.
2 Esdras 13:41 But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
2 Esdras 13:42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
2 Esdras 13:43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
2 Esdras 13:44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
2 Esdras 13:45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
2 Esdras 13:46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
2 Esdras 13:47 The Highest shall stay the springs of the stream again, that they may go through: therefore sawest thou the multitude with peace.
2 Esdras 13:48 But those that be left behind of thy people are they that are found within my borders.

and Zephaniah 3:10
From beyond the rivers of Cush, my worshipers, even the daughter of my dispersed people, will bring my offering.

Also, “the nations” in page 246 – doesn’t it refer more properly to dispersal via slave trade?

I have read somewhere that Yoruba might be derived from Jerubaal (Yerubaal? Judges 6:32; 1 Samuel 12:11) and elsewhere that it is actually derived from Uruoba (said to be the original pronunciation for the name Jacob). If it is the latter then the names Ewe and Yoruba would not be surprising.

One more thing, have you considered how the name of the Messiah was pronounced 2,000 years ago?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 11:34am On Dec 12, 2011
Sorry amor4ce, you are confusing me. I don't see how what you are saying PROVES the Yoruba are the Hebrews. Reading what you posted, it rather CREATES DOUBT about the Yoruba being Hebrews.
A peoples' identity is usually by their name. If you read the samples pages on my black history website as I suggested, you would clearly see the TRUE NAME of the people before the advent of the European Colonialists and Bishop Crowther's action that changed their name. That proper name of the people as the website shows you is the TRUE NAME of the ancient Israelites. That is what PROVES the Yoruba are the Hebrews.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 11:19pm On Dec 12, 2011
Aren't the Edomites Hebrews as well?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 11:33am On Dec 14, 2011
amor4ce:

Aren't the Edomites Hebrews as well?

Technically YES, because Abraham was the first to be called Hebrew and Esau from whom the Edomites descended, was his great-grandson.

However, when we speak of Hebrews we are talking of those children and descendants of Jacob who became a nation in ancient Egypt. Before the nation of Hebrews was born in Egypt, there was no Hebrew nation. This nation of Hebrews born in Egypt did not include the Edomites. Thus since it is this nation of Hebrews that we refer to as the Hebrews, and it did not include Edomites, the answer to your question is NO the Edomites are not Hebrews.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 9:30pm On Dec 14, 2011
In my opinion, using the name to identify a people might not be enough if we consider the technique that has been tried by the cuckoo (your description of the current occupants of Israel).

To further buttress your assertion that the Ewe and Yoruba peoples are one, a big evidence is the oral traditions, worship, and the Ifa divination.

As for origin of the word Hebrew (Ewe), any chance that it is derived from Eber (the name of on of Abraham's ancestors)?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by lepasharon(f): 12:47am On Dec 15, 2011
but their is no single hint that yorubas WERE hebrews undecided

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 8:59am On Dec 15, 2011
What if we consider this essay and the comments that followed on this forum:
THE HEBRAIC BIBLICAL MYTHS AND THE YORUBA HISTORICAL NARRATIVES
THE HEBRAIC BIBLICAL MYTHS AND THE YORUBA HISTORICAL NARRATIVES OF PARTRIACH ARAMFE (ABRAM), OONI (ISAAC), AND URUOBA (JACOB): SHOULD WE ALL BE COMPLACENT? NO!!!

By Wilson Ometan

My profound appreciation to the Greeks; Persians, Macedonians, Romans, Arabs, Turks, French and English who came to Egypt, spied on her and conquered her in 627 BCE, 525 BCE, 333 BCE, 50 BCE, 7 th century, 16 th century and 19 th century A.D. respectively.

Of these, my greatest respect goes to the Greeks who later became most of the Jews, they have strived to preserve the African Culture in the Bible even at our expense of changing most of the names. The now Europeans of the Mediterranean who were not known to have mythical gods, later proliferate in many gods after visiting Ancient Egypt which have more than 1000 gods. When it please them; our history becomes authentic and original but otherwise, the African history is all but myth. I disagree. African history is authentic, real and original and found in our Ancestral oral, archaeological, arts and traditional narratives. The Africans, the Ashkenazims including the Arabs at one time in history were Hapiru (Habiru) i.e. People without a state. “Labaya, the Lion Man (Lagbaja) too was a Hapiru in a land which stretch from Saudi Arabia to Ancient Egypt [The History of Ancient Israel; page 29, Michael Grant] (some my emphasis).

The Jews; one of the lineages arising from our Ancestor Abram (Abraham) should be respected and appreciated for keeping the tradition. But left with other children of Abram, some of the huge amount of our cultures would have been lost. While our Scholars who studied classic history are busy studying grammar and other modern history, the Jews were busy transforming the Bible. But in contrast, only the Jews were said to be oppressed, enslaved, raped and emasculated in Ancient Egypt. History dictates that those who went through these upheavals either lose their culture or die out. If so; how come the Jews remain strong and the great numbers of Blacks who left Ancient Egypt lost some of their Culture and identity. Tribute must be paid to the Judaic writers who re-wrote and re-edit the Abram history several times.

SO, WHO IS OUR PATRIARCH ABRAM (Abraham).

The Biblical Perspectives : The Bible made us believe that Abram the Mesopotamian was the Son of Terah who had Isaac, and Isaac begat Esau and Jacob. In Michael Grant's book quoted above, the Author said these names may not have existed. Michael Grant who is no ordinary history Author continued on page 30 paragraph 2 that, “So anachronistic, inconsistent and aetiological (the science or philosophy of causation ) are the legends that have gathered round the figures of the Patriarchs that it cannot be stated for certain that they ever existed at all”.

On the 29 th of October 1996, the New York Times in an article headlined “Scholars debate the origins of Yiddish and the migrations of Jews”, Arthur Koesler was quoted in his book, “The thirteenth tribe, published in 1996, where he suggested that the Eastern European Jews were not really Semitic, that they were largely descended from the Turkish Khazars who converted en-masse to Judaism in medieval times. In a 1993 book, Dr. Paul Wexler of Tel Aviv University , a linguist also expanded on Koestler's thesis in “The Ashkenazic Jews: A Slavo-Turkic people in search of a Jewish identity.

It is not surprising that the authentic Israelites history had been written off the history books in a form of historical gangsterism by using the four Patriarchs of Abram, Isaac and Esau and Jacob in the Old Testament in a bid to create their identity. While they killed off Isaac's story after giving birth to Esau (Esa, Esaer, Osiris, Esiri) and Jacob (Yakoba, Uruoba), Jacob's story became Israel of 12 tribes omitting Dinah who is female which made the number 13 th tribe. Esau (Esiri: Esiris = plural becomes Osiris when “E” in Ancient Egypt become Hebrew “O”), who is the father of the Edomites ( Edo ?) was also killed off to be used in the New Testament in conceptualising the resurrection of Christ. Michael Grant agrees this version of the Biblical story is anachronistic because firstly, Isaac was not the father of Esau (Esiri, Osiris, and Orisha) historically rather; Esau and Jacob (Uruoba, Yakoba, Yakobaal) were born by Abram who adopted Isaac. And secondly; at an early stage, the names of Abram, Isaac and Jacob were associated with specific sanctuary of prehistoric origin i.e. Abram associated with Mamre which is beside Ephron in Judah the southern region of the country (Mamre: we have seen (Tory, Yoree), Ephron: Evbron, Effurun), these communities migrated from Ife in about the 7 th A.D.

And Isaac is associated with Beersheba . By warrant of Genesis 26: 31-33 which reads; … and Isaac sent his servants to look for water by digging wells, a servant came back to tell Isaac that they have found water and called it Shebah, therefore, the city's name became Beersheba. Meaning in Yoruba: that's the way we met or found the water. The Yoruba knows that they have a town called Shaba today. And lastly, Jacob is associated with Schechem.

The Bible in its fluidity; removed the Abram's initial story, that he came from Ur of the Chaldeans which is in Summerian City of Mesopotamia and his father from Terah. Abram Married Sarah, they had Isaac after Ismael and Sarah died whilst Abram bought a cave at Machpelah (Mashepelah) from the children of Heth (children of the 8 th child of Jacob, Genesis 25: 8-10) but these children of Heth, eight were actually the children of Joseph (Juya) who was 8 th in line of Jacobs 13 children.

The story in the Bible concerning Abram, Isaac, Esau and Jacob seems to be a re-echo of the Yoruba historical perspectives of the lineage of ARAMFE: Meaning, I have clean Body and Soul just like the Itsekiris will say: Egbelefife which means White Chicken connoting he who has clean hands or, white chicken has no hiding place. Every Scholar worth his salt knows that Egypt is the centre of civilisation in the world and we also know that we Africans migrated from Ancient Egypt yet none of us had been enthusiastic to dig out who our Patriarchs are except the great one, Sheik Anta-Diop. We also know that the flags of Greece and Israel are one and the same except our pyramids one standing and the other upside down forming the star of King David (Tutankhamon) and therefore these people cannot be the Israelites in the Bible who became our Patriarchs. People can be forgiven especially those who swallow hundred percent everything in the Bible without thorough critical analysis because names of places and people have been interchanged between Mesopotamia and Africa anachronistically which makes it difficult for the layman to understand the truth about the theft of the African history; Origin of Christianity, Origin of freemasonry and Spiritual concepts. These facts are archeologically abounded in Ancient Egypt as indicated in the Bible but same can't be found in Israel . What is more annoying is the set of Christians among us whom their ethnic history they cannot account for yet they emit hot air in favour of those who stole their history.

The Yoruba Perspectives of Abram (Abraham, Aramfe)

In Yoruba creation narrative told in the Ooni's Palace, the God of thunder and father of the Gods was called Aramfe. He had two Sons named Oduwa (Oduduwa) and Orisha.

Though Oduwa was the elder, he was said to steal the bag of wisdom and Art from Orisha his brother while he was asleep drunk. By this act, Orisha became angry with his senior brother Oduwa so much that he migrated to other lands thereby making him a Hapiru (Habiru). The same story is re-echoed in the story of Isaac, Esau and Jacob where Jacob cheated Esau with his birth right resulting in the transfer of blessings to Jacob and the eventual sojourn to other lands by Jacob. The Biblical narratives said Jacob wrestled with an Angel in Penuel (there is more to this), so was Oduwa who climbed down from Heaven in a chain.

While the history of Egypt predates that of the Biblical narratives, it is then sensible to believe that the compilers of the Bible in the first to fourth centuries must have re-wrote Isaac into the Biblical narratives. For example; Ahmed Osman, the author of “The Hebrew Pharaohs of Egypt” cited an example in the Hebrew Talmud which claim that Isaac was adopted by Abram. Therefore; it is very likely that Oduwa is the same person as Jacob and Orisha is the same person as Esau (Is Esau now Eshu? Because he sought to kill Jacob?). Both are children of Abram and above all Abram is the same person as Aramfe. The supposedly mythical Isaac is the same person as Ooni (Oonise). The fact that Isaac was adopted is supported by Kunle I. Sowunmi in his NigeriaVillageSquare.com website comments in reaction to the Book: I remain Sir; your obedient servant written by our King of Benin, Iku Onokpokpolo, Oba Erediawa concerning the migration of Ekhaladeran (Izoduwa, Oduduwa). Sowunmi commented that the Ooni was not the child of Oduduwa. The Hebrew Talmud supports this argument. But to further prove the authencity of these Yoruba names and their place in history, the Hebraic Equidistant Letter Sequencing (ELS) shall be used to decode the names thus:-

For example: ARAMFE = ABRAM

OONISE = ISAAC

YORUBA = JACOB

ORISHA = ESAU

ODUWA = EXODUS

HOW THE NAMES WERE CONVERTED FROM YORUBA TO HEBREW

ODUDUWA (ODUWA) TO EXODUS

Using Greek and Heriatic alphabets, the Egyptian (Yoruba) names were changed into Hebrew thus:-

• The first letter O is Greek O

• The second letter D is Greek T and T is hieratic X

• The third letter U is Greek U

• The fourth letter D is Greek D

• The fifth letter U is Greek U

• The sixth letter W is Hieratic S

• The seven letter A is Hieratic K pronounced ‘eh'

This gives: OXUDUSE. And according to the Zohar sequencing system, the last vowel is either jettisoned or taken to the front of the word, and the second to the last letter is removed and placed behind the first letter. But in this case, the last vowel ‘E' is placed first and the third letter ‘O' is placed third to read EXODUUS. The conversion of the second letter ‘D' to ‘X' explains the reason why Oduduwa later became Oduwa.

Please Note: The Hebrew word ‘Zohar' which means the Light Splendour (Sun) when transliterated in Hausa and Urhobo will mean one thing i.e. Hausa will say Zoh to mean come, the other ‘ar' swings both ways just like the sun goes and come in both directions in Urhobo i.e. ‘Re', ‘Ra' which means the come and go of the sun god. Also in Urhobo, the word ‘Era' means six (6). Therefore Era Era Era is 666, and 6 is ‘W' in Greek alphabet. This gives www (World Wide Web). Hmmmmmmmmm.

URUOBA (UYAKOBA, YORUBA TO JACOB)

Using hieratic, Greek and Hebrew texts

URUOBA

U in Uruoba is Y in Hieratic and J in Hebrew

R in Uruoba is K in Hebrew

U in Uruoba is O in Hebrew

O in Uruoba is A in Hebrew

B in Uruoba is B in Hebrew

A in Uruoba is A in Hebrew

Therefore, YKOABA and JKOABA. Using letter sequencing, YKOABA becomes Yakoba which is also Jakoba. When the last letter is jettisoned, we will have Jakob. But if we accept Yakoba as example and ‘R' is used in the place of ‘K', the result is Yaroba. The ‘U' in Hebrew is also O in Egypt and the Hebrew ‘A' is also ‘O' in Egypt letters to give YORUBA.

URUSALIM: Let's not forget that Urusalim later evolved to become Jerusalem .

OONI (OONISE) To ISAAK TO ISAAC

Using Greek, Hieratic and Hebrew Texts

The OO in Oonise is also ‘V' ‘V' in Greek and Hebrew texts. Turn the V V upside down to give us A A. Add the A A to NISE to give us AANISE. In Ancient Egypt, the last vowel is jettisoned to give AANIS. And using letter sequencing, place the second letter ‘I' at the front of the word to read IAANS and place the letter S behind I to read ISAAN. The Hebrew letter N (which is Aleph) is hieratically close to the letter K in Hieratic (which is also Aleph) and this gives us ISAAK. But with time, Isaak evolved to become Isaac.

ARAMFE TO ABRAM (ABRAHAM)

Changing Aramfe to Abram was quite simple for them. Using letter sequencing, they jettisoned the last vowel ‘E' in Aramfe. The Egyptian letter ‘F' which is also V and B in Hebrew was placed behind ‘A' to read Abram.

These are not the only techniques employed by the compilers of the Bible; others styles were also used for example: Most names of the Ancient Egyptians were associated with their Gods e.g. Ra or Re, the Sun God. Ezra the Priest was one of them and so was Keturah the wife of Abram after Sarah's death and Rebekka the wife of Isaac to name few. Remove the ‘Re' god and we will get Eze, Ketu and Abekke. Could the Ewe ethnic group of West Africa be the descendants of Keturah, for I read it somewhere that they are originally from Ketu.

inally, one interesting revelation found in the Bible was told by Alhaji Abdala Sadiq; the Steward of our late Prime Minister Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, in the Tell Magazine of January 30 th 2006 exclusive story headlined “Balewa's Last Moments”. On page 26 of the Magazine, Alhaji Sadiq in an answer to the interviewers, said the land in which the late Prime Minister was buried in Bauchi is not owned by the Yakubus but by the Ajuyas. This is a fantastic revelation. In Ancient Egypt, Yakubu represent Yakoba who was Jakob. And Jakob had 13 children of which Juya was the 8 th child. By the way, what's the meaning of Tafa wa, Baale wa. But what we certainly know is that, Yakoba or Jakoba is YORUBA
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 6:13pm On Dec 16, 2011
amor4ce:

In my opinion, using the name to identify a people might not be enough if we consider the technique that has been tried by the cuckoo (your description of the current occupants of Israel).

To further buttress your assertion that the Ewe and Yoruba peoples are one, a big evidence is the oral traditions, worship, and the Ifa divination.

As for origin of the word Hebrew (Ewe), any chance that it is derived from Eber (the name of on of Abraham's ancestors)?

Sorry bro for the delay in giving a response.

You said you do not consider the name of the people is enough to identify them as descendants of the ancient Israelites and cited the fraud of modern Jews to back up your stand. YOU ARE WRONG THERE. The name is PARAMOUNT [/b]in a peoples' identity. Remember how it was Jacob's change of name to Israel that set him apart from all his relatives and began the 12 nations of Israel? The truth of the matter is, the only way people are identified anywhere in this world is by their name.

In fact, the discussion we are having about the Yoruba actually stresses on the importance of a people's name as the major identifier of race. I am sure you will agree, most Yoruba people cannot for a certainty tell their history beyond the creation of the name Yoruba by Bishop Crowther. Now ask yourself WHY IS THAT? The answer is obvious. The NEW name Yoruba obscured or wiped out all their history prior to the creation of the name. Thus, by the name change alone, the people lost their identity and a major chunk of their history. Thus stressing the importance of a [b]peoples name
as the major identifier of who they are.

Look at it another way. If for example, you were to travel to any place on this planet and meet white people in a jungle or an Island who for example speak German and call themselves German's you wouldn't say because they don't live in Europe they are not connected to the Germans in Europe. That will be preposterous. The fact that they are white, speak German and call themselves German is PROOF POSITIVE of their identity. Remember that, people do not by nature take up names of other people and identified themselves by it. Since the dawn of time people identify only with the name of their ancestors and jealously guard this identity. Hardly any people throughout history has ditched their name/identity and adopted the name and identity of other people. When such things happen it is through naturalisation (migration and becoming one with people of your new home), war or slavery, but never voluntarily. Therefore, we can be confident that if an African people are called Hebrews and are black as the ancient Israelites were; then certainly these are the true descendants of the Hebrews aka the ancient Israelites. Why would they call themselves Hebrews if they are not? Think about that.

Oh and BTW with regard to your point about the Jews stealing the name of the Israelites. They did not. Modern Jewry is a religion based on Judaism and Judaism allows members to call themselves Jews. The Israelites were not called Jews. They were called HEBREWS. Modern Jews do not see or call themselves Hebrews. They speak MODERN Hebrew and they are Israeli and not Hebrews. That is the difference.

I will try and find time and reply to your other points tomorrow. have a nice weekend.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 9:42pm On Dec 16, 2011
From what I've read, Our Father calls us Israel and Jacob as recorded in the Bible while we and other nations called us Hebrews. Also, this is not to say that the names Israel and Jacob are the actual spellings and pronunciations. Yoruba may just be the the real name instead of Jacob. If so there would be no error in this regard on the part of Bishop Ajayi Crowther as both names (Erverh and Yoruba) would be accurate. Please do keep in mind that we are on the same page.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 9:50pm On Dec 16, 2011
The name El as written in the Bible today ought to be written and pronounced as Ela.


Do you know the true pronunciation of the name of the Word of God?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 7:41pm On Dec 21, 2011
amor4ce:

The name El as written in the Bible today ought to be written and pronounced as Ela.


Do you know the true pronunciation of the name of the Word of God?

Sorry amor4ce once again for the delay in my responses.

With regard to your question all I can say is, the alphabet of the ancient Hebrews is available. You can find them in numerous places on the Internet and it is quite easy to learn. Once you do, it is becomes easy to read the ORIGINAL texts found in the dead sea scrolls which is also available online. That way, you don't have to bother with translations, you can read the original and understand it for yourself. Try it if you have time, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 7:52pm On Dec 21, 2011
amor4ce:

From what I've read, Our Father calls us Israel and Jacob as recorded in the Bible while we and other nations called us Hebrews. Also, this is not to say that the names Israel and Jacob are the actual spellings and pronunciations. Yoruba may just be the the real name instead of Jacob. If so there would be no error in this regard on the part of Bishop Ajayi Crowther as both names (Erverh and Yoruba) would be accurate. Please do keep in mind that we are on the same page.



It was not other nations that gave Israel their national identity. The name Hebrew started with Abraham. His descendants through Isaac and jacob were collectively called Hebrews. Their home in Canaan before Jacob moved to Egypt with is family was called the Land of the Hebrews. The name Israel is mostly used by the Scribes who wrote the Bible to differentiate between the nation of the Israel which included converts to judaism and the real Hebrews. Thus the real name of the people was Hebrews as opposed to the name of the nation which was Israel.

With regard to Bishop Crowther, he simply changed the name Yarriba into Yoruba. The name Yarriba was an INVENTION of the European Explorers so there is NOTHING ACCURATE about it. Crowther took an inaccurate name, polished it up and served it as the name for million so people in West Africa. Thus  turning the situation from bad to worse. Thanks to Crowther, most of the peoples' history was completely WIPED OUT.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by NegroNtns(m): 8:39pm On Dec 21, 2011
With regard to Bishop Crowther, he simply changed the name Yarriba into Yoruba. The name Yarriba was an INVENTION of the European Explorers so there is NOTHING ACCURATE about it. Crowther took an inaccurate name, polished it up and served it as the name for million so people in West Africa. Thus turning the situation from bad to worse. Thanks to Crowther, most of the peoples' history was completely WIPED OUT.

INVENTION of the Europeans Can you please clarify.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by lepasharon(f): 8:51pm On Dec 21, 2011
Yep,God said the real hebrew would loose their identity. undecided
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by Energy48(m): 9:34pm On Dec 21, 2011
Negro_Ntns:

INVENTION of the Europeans   Can you please clarify. 

Sure! It all began with the English explorer Hugh Clapeprton's first contact with the Fulani people. When Clapperton met the Sultan of Sokoto; Muhammed Bello, the Sultan gave him a history lesson of the people all over West Africa. Of the people of the Old Oyo Empire, Bello mentioned them by their true and proper name to the Englishman. However, Clapperton being a European could not pronounce the African name/word properly and wrote it as Yarba (incidentally Yarba does sound like Erverh which was the name of the people and is the real name of the ancient Israelites). Later on after Clapperton died his travelling companion Richard Lander who incidentally did not meet Bello and therefore did not know the pronunciation of the name of the people of Old Oyo took Clappertons writings and whether by design or accident, changed Yarba to Yarriba. Thus the name Yarriba was born.

Later, the Fulani jihad invaded and destroyed Old Oyo and scattered its inhabitants abroad. The various people in the neighbouring territories ruled by Old Oyo were now leaderless and vulnerable to attack. These turned to the Europeans Missionaries in the area, for refuge and protection. To find a common name for all these people the Missionaries in turn asked Crowther who was under their tutelage to come up with a fitting name for ALL the people. Crowther went for the name the European Missionaries already knew which was Yarriba  and changed it to Yoruba. That is how the name Yoruba came about. Thus, as you can see the name Yoruba was born out of a series of errors.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by NegroNtns(m): 11:34pm On Dec 21, 2011
Oh, . . . reaaally?? lol, that's awesome!! cheesy
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 1:01am On Dec 22, 2011
Perhaps you can use your understanding to educate us about the actual pronunciation of the words Jacob, Israel, and Yahushua.

Can you tell us where in the Bible that Olodumare called them Hebrews?
Did HE not call them House of Jacob/Israel?

If El as in El Elyon and Isra[b]el[/b] is actually Ela, and various speakers of the Hebrew language today still pronounce the name as El, what is the guarantee that I can learn actual pronunciations over the internet?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 1:27am On Dec 25, 2011
What happened to all the string instruments?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by okooyinbo(m): 8:53am On Dec 25, 2011
These Children that have been indoctrinated by the bible. I pity you all. I bet you dont even know what you are talking about. If you knew, you wont say the Yorubas were known as Hebrews. Prior to the people being refered to as Yoruba are termed Yoruba, each subset of them have had their names. For instance, we Ilajes had a Name before the advent of Ajayi Crowther or any Oyinbo. We are still known as Ilaje. We never ever had any link with the Judah or Benjamin or Joseph. We were and are refered to as Ilaje. The reason we also belong to the Yorubas is in the similarity in culture and linguistics. I am no Hebrew aND no one that lacks in his history should lump me into that silly faceless twisted history.

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Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 10:05pm On Dec 25, 2011
okooyinbo:

These Children that have been indoctrinated by the bible. I pity you all. I bet you dont even know what you are talking about. If you knew, you wont say the Yorubas were known as Hebrews. Prior to the people being refered to as Yoruba are termed Yoruba, each subset of them have had their names. For instance, we Ilajes had a Name before the advent of Ajayi Crowther or any Oyinbo. We are still known as Ilaje. We never ever had any link with the Judah or Benjamin or Joseph. We were and are refered to as Ilaje. The reason we also belong to the Yorubas is in the similarity in culture and linguistics. I am no Hebrew aND no one that lacks in his history should lump me into that silly faceless twisted history.

Not everybody that professes Christianity truly understands the Word and HIS teaching and actually does HIS will.
Likewise, we are aware that not all that are regarded as Yoruba today were originally Yoruba eg the Ijebu.

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[li]Can you tell us if there is any other people in the world who have difficulty in pronouncing sh (as in shoe) just like the children of Ephraim (refer to Judges 12:5-7)?[/li]
[li]Can you tell us which other people in the world apart from the Yoruba prostrate just as is mentioned in the Bible from Genesis to Revelations?[/li]
[li]The Yoruba say that Ela could ascend into heaven of HIS own accord. Also, the Word of God who appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and who many today refer to as El says only HE has seen the Father and only HE could ascend into heaven of HIS own accord. Can you tell us if this is just coincidence?[/li]
[li]Esau and Jacob were born as twins and Jacob became the elder. Can you tell us of any other people that elevate the younger twin over the elder?[/li]
[li]Can you tell us if the people occupying Israel today can have natural dada hair just like Samson and Ezekiel?[/li]
[li]Have you carefully considered what Paul referred to in Romans 3:2?[/li]
[li] Can you tell us why the curses/punishment for disobedience to God as mentioned in Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 fell on and are still on the Yoruba/Ewe peoples? Can you tell us who the Amorites that El referred to in Genesis 15:16 are?[/li]
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NOTE: It seems that someone or some people have recently (maybe sometime during October and December 2011) edited the wikipedia page for the “Amorite” by removing all references to their physical features. There used to be a somewhat comprehensive subsection titled something like ‘Physical features’. Amorites: fair skin, blue eyes, tall, hooked/pointed/aquiline noses.
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by lepasharon(f): 10:18pm On Dec 25, 2011
i think thats referring to black ppl in general not just yorubas undecided
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by amor4ce(m): 10:24pm On Dec 25, 2011
Is your comment in response to what I mentioned concerning Genesis 15?
Re: The True Identity Of The Yoruba People by lepasharon(f): 1:50am On Dec 26, 2011
Nah, the curses in Leviticus 26 and deutoromony 28 .Aren't they referring to black ppl in general?

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