Salt06:

Which one be sheeple or you mean a devout Christian?
I'm not saying there're no excesses a times but
No be today people start dey call followers of God fools... Even from Bible times...
Lolz. Funny you. Ask the professor of philosophy who is also a pastor with RCCG...
Ask the chinmark billionaire, cosharis owner who does evangelism on the streets and many others
...

Pastors are too smart to be sheeples. They are just after the money and the respect (which allows many of them to enjoy beautiful women)

Remember that sex for grade lecturer at Unilag? He was a pastor.

The one at OAU nko? He was also a pastor.

That is why a full church does not mean anything.

After all, narrow is the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Seniorwriter:
Lolz
This is what sycophants Christians love.
Howbeit as a Christ Love Follower ill prefer they organize help out reach to the down trodden communities around that area with a crowd funding process ....so many people are lacking and suffering within Nigeria....if they all (70 thousand) crowd fund weekly with a token of #20(twenty naira) that's #5.6million monthly that can be used to help the poor among them and in that community!.
BTW I'm sure there's no way a social distancing process was kept in the gathering.

In another news kindly reach me for your child(ren) safety gadgets at a token price.

Proactivity Leads To Productivity!!!!



@SeniorWriter

Why not ask all your friends on WhatsApp to contribute and buy children gadgets. Then go to a government primary school n distribute free

God of men

jesusjnr2020:
Matthew 22:14

The Truth is ignorance to those in the darkness but knowledge to those who walk in the light.

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7:13-14 (KJV)

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matthew 7:22-23 (KJV)

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God bless.

Stop quoting scriptures out of context.
Read through those scriptures again with the eye of the spirit and you will know it was not quoted against mega church, after all Jesus was always preaching to the multitudes and it doesn't make him fake even though Pharisees like you in Jesus days called Him fake partly because of the multitudes. Lastly let me as you "is it attending small church that will take you to heaven"?

blueAgent:


True.
But You forget that thousands of jobs were created through the construction of that building.

Am not his member, but I believe the best is to Prioritize both

Bros he is talking about career jobs through establishment of industries and business units as against construction jobs wch are contracted, 70,000 FULLY EMPLOYED STAFF IS FARRRR BETTER THAN 70,000 CHURCH MEMBERS. Sadly, we never learn.

You people are there gossiping and the man of God is been lifted by God,. fools.........!
more Grace sir!

jesusjnr2020:
Church is not about numbers but spiritual quality. Many of Jesus disciples left Him. That didn't make Him to be any less approved of God than He was. It in fact confirmed His focus being on pleasing God than on pleasing men.

John 6:66 (KJV)

From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

But those who have the orientation of the world would see that as a failure, but a success if He had done the contrary to make the many disciple remain, "but wisdom is justified of her children!"

The few disciples that remained with Jesus later became the pillars of greatest and most powerful ever church in history, to prove that church was not about numbers but spiritual quality!

God bless.

Hello sir, please your assertion here is scripturally unfounded. Church IS about numbers! Who told you it isn't? Didn't Christ command us to go into ALL THE WORLD and preach the gospel to EVERY CREATURE and AS MANY that believes will be saved? Mark 16:15-16
Sir the heartbeat of the Father is for ALL MEN to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth 1 Tim 2:4
You know what that means? It means that if on a Sunday morning and there's not a single soul roaming the streets but every single person is seated in a church and hearing God's word, that pleases the Father so much because that is his will, and we know it is his will because we see it in his word. God bless

Goodnigga:
is his name Federal Government? Do you pay your tax to him? His job is to preach, He is a pastor not a senator. His social responsibility is by choice and not by force.

Developed countries got their status with govt and individual policies and mindsets via science and technologies breakthroughs... NOT BUILD MEGA CHURCHES. 70,000 fully paid productive profit maximizing staff is better than 70,000 church members.... AFRICA WE CAN WAKE UP.

pokilo:
Apostle has employed and empowered Youths more than your state governor.
The valid records are there!

Employ them for Nation building/development and scientifics discoveries or employ them to build more mega churches around town?!

binsanni:
yahoo man of god

SHUT UP

DesignAndBuild:


Hello sir, please your assertion here is scripturally unfounded. Church IS about numbers! Who told you it isn't? Didn't Christ command us to go into ALL THE WORLD and preach the gospel to EVERY CREATURE and AS MANY that believes will be saved? Mark 16:15-16
Sir the heartbeat of the Father is for ALL MEN to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth 1 Tim 2:4
You know what that means? It means that if on a Sunday morning and there's not a single soul roaming the streets but every single person is seated in a church and hearing God's word, that pleases the Father so much because that is his will, and we know it is his will because we see it in his word. God bless

It's scripturally unfounded to you because you're still too spiritually blind to be able to see it. If it was about numbers, why did Jesus allow many to leave and few to stay?

Jesus would have done everything to keep the many even if it's to speak the words of the flesh which profits nothing in Truth as most of your church leaders do today. But He stuck with the Words of the Spirit which God had given to Him, to prove that church was not about numbers but spiritual quality.

And what Jesus told His disciples to do was not different from what He Himself was doing Himself, because it's still the same Gospel He preached that made many of His disciples leave that He commanded His disciples to preach not the words of the flesh which I believe is what you can see.

So your idea that church is about numbers is of this world not of God, because as Jesus showed, it's spiritual quality first before numbers.

God bless.

Dollarbeels:


Why not ask all your friends on WhatsApp to contribute and buy children gadgets. Then go to a government primary school n distribute free

Your single problem is comprehension....those with their thinking cap comprehend what my comment puts afore.
Howbeit you can't have 70 thousand on a WhatsApp and more so you can't expect a person to have friends that are all Christians.
Proactivity Leads To Productivity!!!

@SeniorWriter

Let the enemy keep fighting the Church, Jesus will continue to reign. God is on the throne.

Those fighting against the Church of God are fighting a losing battle.


Esu ti pofo!

Fahdiga:
Don't underestimate the power of fools in large numbers

who r the fools may u r d bigger fool

Dollarbeels:


Why not ask all your friends on WhatsApp to contribute and buy children gadgets. Then go to a government primary school n distribute free

Abi
you for give this your children gedjettty free for children home why selling it

Frankaka8:
Bros he is talking about career jobs through establishment of industries and business units as against construction jobs wch are contracted, 70,000 FULLY EMPLOYED STAFF IS FARRRR BETTER THAN 70,000 CHURCH MEMBERS. Sadly, we never learn.

Is never the responsibility of a church a create jobs you are only shifting responsibility from the government and private sector.
The church can only assist but they cannot go into manufacturing and business inorder to create jobs, they would lose their vision and purpose.

In US and other advanced countries that also have Churches, how many factories where built by Churches?

Fixey:



Most of the jobs are secured by top hierarchical persons who bring their outside persons and the people you guys assume don't get the jobs. Once there are openings the system doesn't accommodate an open structure where you can walk in say you want to apply to get a job. It follows the same suit for all such opportunities that exist.



Asides this. How many work would a jamboree for example do on a site


How many works for example would a person in need of medical care assistance do given their conditions


How many work can women do physically to qualify for such roles


Abeg I don't want to vex. All I know is what we saw at the hands of some people we'll try to help the generation following us not to experience it

The fact remains that jobs were created, although temporarily.

Whether it was the next of kin of the top men or not.

What I see is a trend where Nigerian youths channel their anger to the wrong direction instead of holding their government and themselves responsible they are blaming the Churches.

Am not holding brif for the Churches but my question is if you remove all the Churches in Nigeria today would we have more factories and less unemployment?
The answer is No.

The core of our problem is lack of creative and entrepreneurial skills not Church.

In Nigeria we have resources that are not harnessed due to lack of those skills I mentioned, so how is the Church responsible for that?

Before Christianity came to Africa and Nigeria to be precise how many companies and business where existing?
The last time I checked the Churches are
one of the largest employers of labour in Nigeria, Winners Chapel has over 3000 pastors who are paid by the Church, same with MFM, Redeemed, Assemmblies of God, Catholic, Adventist, I can go on and on.

All the challenges in Nigeria are gold mines for those (government and private sector) who have hind sight but instead we seat on our ass and blame the Church.
I agree that Nigerians are over religious, but I refuse to believe that it is the reason for our undevelopment.

The fact remains that most of the achievements in nigeria, be it companies, brands,industries where created by christains. the question am asking is, what has Atheists done for Nigeria?

vicardino:


Nothing stops you from having such a factory and I'm sure that no one is stopping you as well.

That is the very reason Nigeria is backward, A farmer is asking a Civil engineer why he has not built more roads when himself is not farming.

The pastors are excelling in there calling, why the dude who is asking them to build factory might even be the one whose calling is to build the said factory but he is failing

Frankaka8:
Developed countries got their status with govt and individual policies and mindsets via science and technologies breakthroughs... NOT BUILD MEGA CHURCHES. 70,000 fully paid productive profit maximizing staff is better than 70,000 church members.... AFRICA WE CAN WAKE UP.

That's were you fail.
The bitter truth is Africans and black do not have that mindset and skills you say the West have.

If all the African countries turn to Atheism today they will still remain the poorest nations on Earth.

Absence of Religeon or Christainity would not turn all the Africans to Mark Zukerberg or Jeff Bezo.

The Irony is that creativity Science,entrepreneurship and the mindset you mentioned can only come through Education, and funny Christianity gave Africans that.

Frankaka8:
Employ them for Nation building/development and scientifics discoveries or employ them to build more mega churches around town?!

Is he suppose to leave teaching the word of God and venture into the challenges of how to manufacture let say cellphones inorder to create jobs for you?

If he as a man of God is expected to do that, what is then expected of you?
Are you not suppose to have a feasibility study of an idea ready which we can all look at and present to the church for assistance?

If you don't have one then you are a hypocrite.

blueAgent:


The fact remains that jobs were created, although temporarily.

Whether it was the next of kin of the top men or not.

What I see is a trend where Nigerian youths channel their anger to the wrong direction instead of holding their government and themselves responsible they are blaming the Churches.

Am not holding brif for the Churches but my question is if you remove all the Churches in Nigeria today would we have more factories and less unemployment?
The answer is No.

The core of our problem is lack of creative and entrepreneurial skills not Church.

In Nigeria we have resources that are not harnessed due to lack of those skills I mentioned, so how is the Church responsible for that?

Before Christianity came to Africa and Nigeria to be precise how many companies and business where existing?
The last time I checked the Churches are
one of the largest employers of labour in Nigeria, Winners Chapel has over 3000 pastors who are paid by the Church, same with MFM, Redeemed, Assemmblies of God, Catholic, Adventist, I can go on and on.

All the challenges in Nigeria are gold mines for those (government and private sector) who have hind sight but instead we seat on our ass and blame the Church.
I agree that Nigerians are over religious, but I refuse to believe that it is the reason for our undevelopment.

The fact remains that most of the achievements in nigeria, be it companies, brands,industries where created by christains. the question am asking is, what has Atheists done for Nigeria?

Now you're getting it wrong completely. I'm not joining the league of those criticising the church.

. Trust me I've been at the foundation of the building of many ministries before they became what they are today


My dear. If you can stack up 36 billion to spend on concrete, you can do better with the human development capacity of those under your watch


Jesus said himself.


You don't take the meat of the children and cast before the dogs


Not one block would remain upon each other and the human soul holds greater value



If there's a pastor just one on earth who would go to sleep when their child is on death bed and say funds in the church is for building projects and let the child die, please mention the name of such a pastor. Albeit the spiritual children are left to this fate deliberately.


I know what I know first hand and I'm certain of my Intel. The rationale between the ease to construct 10 billion and not to stretch the hand for just little lies a sick motive. I'll keep it in my stomach. Not everything should be talked about


If you know you won't take care of the sheep when your ministry blows, don't use their time, skills and resources to share tracts, play songs, perform free ministrations all in the name of service and when they have needs they are thrown to the streets.


Does it make sense to you. People would serve for 5 to 10 years and never make a request once, but when they fall into trouble, the so called Shepherd they worship plays the ostrich


Even Jesus Himself said the wolves sees the enemy coming and runs. But the true Shepherd lays his life for the sheep.

If there's a single pastor. I'm equally a minister and qualify to be on the pulpit so I'm qualified to speak without hate, envy or negative energy, if there's one pastor who can say to the child on sick bed all the funds in church account is for building projects and leave the children in such state, mention the name of such a pastor

In US their are thousands of Churches but no one is complaining that US unemployment is becos of too many Churches that is becos in every society there is division of labour ,you cannot blame the failure of a failed and useless government and private sector on Churches.

blueAgent:
In US their are thousands of Churches but no one is complaining that US unemployment is becos of too many Churches that is becos in every society there is division of labour ,you cannot blame the failure of a failed and useless government and private sector on Churches.

That's not the poibt


I'm not saying church open industry pay workers salary



A family served in your ministry for years serving and they fall into sudden need. What is expected is the church to be a shield from the storm.


The instances are clear all through out scriptures


I know people who had died though active serving members but human care and love was not as good as they portrayed.



Stop mixing things up. I'm also a pastor. And will be on the pulpit anytime from next year


I won't build my church while my loyal members are dying and in need. I won't.


I won't say we did this for 20 billion and we can organise a social welfare system for the people.


Please and please in the names you mentioned in the past five years if there are any setting up proper welfare for its members please tell me



Wanna know one good Christian doing it right



Go and investigate Kaffy. Ordinary dancer turned Christian using dance got gave her to to do things right. Not even a fully endowed minister oh. And we're being on the defensive of rubbish



People members die from illness that wouldn't have been if there was adequate welfare for the members.


What's the need for the billions if it's not for the people. Why the quickness to spend 10 billion on cement but to let money drip into lives of members directly na war. Have you ever thought that there was an underlying motive? Reason it.

Fixey:


Now you're getting it wrong completely. I'm not joining the league of those criticising the church.

. Trust me I've been at the foundation of the building of many ministries before they became what they are today


My dear. If you can stack up 36 billion to spend on concrete, you can do better with the human development capacity of those under your watch


Jesus said himself.


You don't take the meat of the children and cast before the dogs


Not one block would remain upon each other and the human soul holds greater value



If there's a pastor just one on earth who would go to sleep when their child is on death bed and say funds in the church is for building projects and let the child die, please mention the name of such a pastor. Albeit the spiritual children are left to this fate deliberately.


I know what I know first hand and I'm certain of my Intel. The rationale between the ease to construct 10 billion and not to stretch the hand for just little lies a sick motive. I'll keep it in my stomach. Not everything should be talked about

I agree with you, that's why in my previous quote I said both should be prioritized.

I think a building of 36billion is way too excessive,

We must also commend Churches when they do well.
I know of Churches that have free School ,hospitals , rehabilitate prostitutes and armed robbers and lots of other things they do Here in Nigeria.

My argument is that most people behind this movement hate Christianity and they are hiding behind this kind of argument to ridicule christianity.

blueAgent:


I agree with you, that's why in my previous quote I said both should be prioritized.

I think a building of 36billion is way too excessive,

We must also commend Churches when they do well.
I know of Churches that have free School ,hospitals , rehabilitate prostitutes and armed robbers and lots of other things they do Here in Nigeria.

My argument is that most people behind this movement hate Christianity and they are hiding behind this kind of argument to ridicule christianity.

I'm a minister. My dear. I'm over 2 decades in training. It is wrong



People are dying under that watch. Forget the crowd you see on Sunday the devil is attacking heavily and we must be on the look out for lives


Christianity is to serve not to be served. Check scriptures Jesus said it.


I don't care if a church spends 100 Trillion and takes care of his needy. But to spend 100 Trillion and leave the needy to the devil is my cry


There's a deliberate attempt to leave keep under attack when the church has greater capacity to do more. This is my stance in the kingdom. I won't tolerate the hypocrisy.


I won't expose what the Lord reveals to me ad their motive. It's all wrong and it's not condemning or faulting the church but we must do things right.

A person beats drum for you week in week out for years runs into accommodation problem you can't get him a common space to stay, Church office you let him use you kicked him out


There are hundreds of such scenarios and we say we're practicing faith. I don't want to be a part of such nonsense. Tomorrow we'll be quoting building ten million churches when there's internal rottiness everywhere. God forbid hypocrisy

jesusjnr2020:
Check most of the barren people in the Bible when they give birth, one was one! That's speaking of quality. Barren Hannah gave birth to Samuel who a rare prophet when vision and prophesies was scarce in Israel. Can you remember any son of her mate who was not barren?

It's better to have one child of quality than ten that are without.

Spiritual quality cannot be overemphasized concerning the church.

God bless.

unfortunately the kingdom of God can't be liken to a barren woman. Cos God ask us to go and multiply, by extension evangelize. Evangelism brings about multitude. Even Jesus Christ during his evangelistic work, gathered multitude.

jesusjnr2020:
Matthew 22:14

The Truth is ignorance to those in the darkness but knowledge to those who walk in the light.

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 7:13-14 (KJV)

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matthew 7:22-23 (KJV)

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God bless.

Inferring that a ministry is false cos it has large crowds
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.
Matthew 4:23‭-‬25 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.4.23-25.KJV

Fahdiga:
You told me the last time that you bought new brain and I was happy for you without knowing you were lying. I poo on my mother's head

Because they sell children in your fathers house(baby factory), doesn't mean brains are sold. Poor mum of yours.

YorubaPrince:


All cuz he said the truth? You're indeed the foolish one!

Who is this cumdrinking nincompoop?

Salt06:

Inferring that a ministry is false cos it has large crowds
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.
Matthew 4:23‭-‬25 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/mat.4.23-25.KJV

He didn't infer that in its entirety. I read through that comment. The quality must be on par with the quantity. Many ministries are quantity obsessed and by extension do not raise effectively spiritually developed and mature people. The consequence of these is the quality of persons you see around you even during interactions. Their convictions, resolve, resolutions, deeds, principles, morale, work ethic all derives energy from the spiritual training passed across



I've been I a church and a demon possesses lady with multiple demons was brought. The entire church to ministers ran away.

The same lady came to me, and started to tell stories and crack joke. This was continously over sessions for days



Know why I could when others fled...?

One word... Quality.


CC Jesusjnr2020

Neddstark:


Who is this cumdrinking nincompoop?

That must be ur mum, I guess.