Let’s do small tutorial on door ( let’s use ft and inches here)

Regular 3ft door as example,
- wall opening size width 3ft
- wall opening size height 7ft
Door frame 7*3 ft

Door leaf size; you will reduce 2” (50mm) from up, side A,side B and threshold[(this will take care of tiles or any floor finishings thickness)
( this reduction is for the frame)]
Now your door leaf size will be
- width 2ft 8”
- height 6ft 8”

So don’t expect your door to be 3ft by 7ft
When your builder, engr, or artisan deliver your door

rotecch77:
Let’s do small tutorial on door ( let’s use ft and inches here)

Regular 3ft door as example,
- wall opening size width 3ft
- wall opening size height 7ft
Door frame 7*3 ft

Door leaf size; you will reduce 2” (50mm) from up, side A,side B and threshold[(this will take care of tiles or any floor finishings thickness)
( this reduction is for the frame)]
Now your door leaf size will be
- width 2ft 8”
- height 6ft 8”

So don’t expect your door to be 3ft by 7ft
When your builder, engr, or artisan deliver your door

so please sir, how does asking the alumaco guy which measurements he's adjusting with become a case of fraud. Now I asked alumaco, how many are you adjusting to fit and he told house owner that I wanted to shorten the sizes to make more money.

twinskenny:
usually look nice though... but a client house was burgled a year back in asaba... the embedded burglar bar was so easy for them to bend

Yeah they look nicer.

Maybe a stronger bar on the inside?

michlins:
so please sir, how does asking the alumaco guy which measurements he's adjusting with become a case of fraud. Now I asked alumaco, how many are you adjusting to fit and he told house owner that I wanted to shorten the sizes to make more money.

I understand you my guy.
But you know what, don’t let flog the matter here much just liaise with your cleint I believed he is a listening fellow, he is the one that gave you work don’t tress your self much about the Aluminum guy.

I will suggest you take your measurement next time when the wall is plastered if time permits .
But if it’s urgent deal let the site engr or your client know your measurement before given the price.

Probably the window guy has someone that can do the burglary job and wants to tarnish our own welder name(make God forgive me if thats not his intention)

And to the main OP that brought the issue here, you people shouldn't just rush to bring half cooked stories here, you can reach out to your clients first and later bring the issue here if you are 90% sure of your accusations.

Michlins still remains our respectable welder here and it pains me he lives in the east and not Lagos.

rotecch77:


I understand you my guy.
But you know what, don’t let flog the matter here much just liaise with your cleint I believed he is a listening fellow, he is the one that gave you work don’t tress your self much about the Aluminum guy.

I will suggest you take your measurement next time when the wall is plastered if time permits .
But if it’s urgent deal let the site engr or your client know your measurement before given the price.

please bro, it's important to me that this issue is completely cleared up and everyone that saw the initial issue knows what actually transpired. It's one thing not to get a job and another thing to be labeled a fraud in the same market you intend to get more clients. Another thing is that the internet NEVER forgets.


My name is too important to me

n3xt:


I’m still researching the design of this steel window. It’s a design from Kerala.

I like this 3 in 1 design

Wahala no dey finish oo

It's all good michilins, that's life for you. You gotta have a thick skin.

From the chats I have seen here, it is obvious what the alumaco guy wanted to do. Maybe he have a partner in crime that he would have preferred to partner with on the job but the oga based on the recommendation of his confidant gave you the job and he is not happy about that.

This is similar cut throat culture folks see in corporate jobs. BACKSTABBING.

But my firm believe is, in whatever you do always protect your integrity.. just like you said your name is more important to you. Igbos will say, Eziafa ka ego ( good name is better than money).

Be content, don't spoil your name for wealth and victory is certain!

zuraking:
Probably the window guy has someone that can do the burglary job and wants to tarnish our own welder name(make God forgive me if thats not his intention)

And to the main OP that brought the issue here, you people shouldn't just rush to bring half cooked stories here, you can reach out to your clients first and later bring the issue here if you are 90% sure of your accusations.

Michlins still remains our respectable welder here and it pains me he lives in the east and not Lagos.

the alumaco guy is swearing with his God that I didn't ask him to do anything. I called him again when this issue was brought up and recorded it. The conversation is in igbo language though and I can't upload it here for reasons I don't understand.

The op states that the alumaco guy said that I told him to make smaller windows but same guy is saying another thing altogether and swearing on top of it all. I don't know who to believe now but one thing I know for certain is that [b]I'M NOT A FRAUD[b/]. It's important to me that everyone knows that

About your Lagos jobs, tell me where and I will deliver it to you

michlins:
Like I said earlier, should I get a measurement of a job that says 4 by 4, the alumaco guy will be working with something closer to 44 by 44.

So I personally asked him the contact of the alumaco guy to know exactly what measurements he's working with to avoid me supplying something higher than the measurements. Whoever that makes alumaco windows here knows exactly what am talking about and it's a problem we face as a welder.

This same person I did a standing tank for without compromising on standard, how will I start on windows where everyone will see the size and I will want to cheat?

The alumaco guy in question, I will say is just mischievous and probably wanted to get the whole jobs. I called him today and he told me he didn't speak to the house owner except explain to him how I needed his help. And to think he swore with the name of God about speaking I'll about me I wish I recorded the calls.

Brother, this my sound harsh and stupid...but think about it . Forget the job and let it go.....I hate bad energy. Or stay put and hustle am sha

michlins:
the alumaco guy is swearing with his God that I didn't ask him to do anything. I called him again when this issue was brought up and recorded it. The conversation is in igbo language though and I can't upload it here for reasons I don't understand.

The op states that the alumaco guy said that I told him to make smaller windows but same guy is saying another thing altogether and swearing on top of it all. I don't know who to believe now but one thing I know for certain is that [b]I'M NOT A FRAUD[b/]. It's important to me that everyone knows that

About your Lagos jobs, tell me where and I will deliver it to you

I listened to audio... I just shook my head. We must desist from name calling without concrete evidences to back it up. Some day the story might change.

@ michlin like i mentioned earlier... Name calling is the new trend. Pure character assassination.

michlins:
so please sir, how does asking the alumaco guy which measurements he's adjusting with become a case of fraud. Now I asked alumaco, how many are you adjusting to fit and he told house owner that I wanted to shorten the sizes to make more money.

House owner should have investigated before conclusion. I will rather drop the job and move on... because there isn't trust in the business after all

michlins:
now this is exactly the reason I spoke with the alumaco guy. When I went to site, they were still building the carcass and no plastering has been done. I only asked him to help me with his measurements since he's the last person there to save me some time. In a sane world, it's not a big ask to make from a fellow artisan but I guess we live in a crazy world.


Please everyone, I didn't work so hard,see me called a thief and dragged here only to ruin it over window burglaries.

I'm here for the long run

Pls keep your heads up and keep up your good works. Many here want you to succeed, it's just a few that want to hear bad story and say shebi i talk am.
All the best in your endevours

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Pls keep your heads up and keep up your good works. Many here want you to succeed, it's just a few that want to hear bad story and say shebi i talk am.
All the best in your endevours

thanks ma'am

Jasobry:


House owner should have investigated before conclusion. I will rather drop the job and move on... because there isn't trust in the business after all

Jasobry:


House owner should have investigated before conclusion. I will rather drop the job and move on... because there isn't trust in the business after all

that one isn't much of my problem. My biggest concern here is my name which is being dragged into the mud

lovelani:


Brother, this my sound harsh and stupid...but think about it . Forget the job and let it go.....I hate bad energy. Or stay put and hustle am sha

rotecch77:
Let me talk Generally on burglar bars
I’m not using this to support any side.
As I was thought in sch as building tech student then which I’m also putting into practice at site.

Case of burglar bars
Let assumed your block opening is 1200*1200
You need to reduce 25mm from all four sides of the WALL OPENINGS.( this is for plastering gauge)

Then you will also consider 15mm reductions from all 4 sides agains ( for alignment)

Now you will left with 25+15mm =40mm
You final burglar size to be delivered to the site will be 1160mm * 1160mm.

This also applicable to door.

I believe this was michlins's intension but alumaco guy misjudged it due to poor comprehension and understanding...
Chai they almost messed this guy up..
Mtcheee
Nawoo let's us not be in too much haste ...biko

Blessedsunny2:
New arrival of your Carrara white
glossy ( porcelain Spanish)
60by60
60by120
WhatsApp: 09077504287,07062955047

The 60 by 120 is it china or spanish?

Don't sweat it. Its obviously a case of miscommunication. People should try and be mindful of the accusations the come here with. I wonder how savings one can make changing from 1200mm to 1150mm. Do send the audio recordings to the accuser.

michlins:
thanks ma'am that one isn't much of my problem. My biggest concern here is my name which is being dragged into the mud

We should not toxify this thread with false accusations.

@Michlins, hope you don't think you can rise to the top without challenges such as this? in fact, prepare for the real challenge(s) however, be STRONG!

oluwaleokey:
Please guys, I just acquired a land but have not employed the services of a surveyor yet however a site engineer that I engaged for fencing was able to measure the land round with a tape for the fencing purposes

Please who can assist interpret/calculate this figure for me
I'd like to know how many plots

Front = 41ft
Back = 77ft
Left = 233ft
Right = 129ft

Any help will be highly appreciated
Thanks

These measurements are in feet, 1metre = 3.3ft
Front = 41/3.3 = 12.42m
Back = 77/3.3 = 23.33m
Left = 233/3.3 = 70.60m
Right = 129/3.3 = 39.09m
The total size of the land is approx. 970.43sqmts ( Based on your Engr measurements)

boyestic:


The 60 by 120 is it china or spanish?

Spanish tiles both 60 by 60

I am going through same issues right now. So I decided to install the windows and dressed them first before the burglary man takes his measurements.
These issues of measurements are quite common. The owner (if knowledgeable) should have dealt with it.

michlins:
Like I said earlier, should I get a measurement of a job that says 4 by 4, the alumaco guy will be working with something closer to 44 by 44.

So I personally asked him the contact of the alumaco guy to know exactly what measurements he's working with to avoid me supplying something higher than the measurements. Whoever that makes alumaco windows here knows exactly what am talking about and it's a problem we face as a welder.

This same person I did a standing tank for without compromising on standard, how will I start on windows where everyone will see the size and I will want to cheat?

The alumaco guy in question, I will say is just mischievous and probably wanted to get the whole jobs. I called him today and he told me he didn't speak to the house owner except explain to him how I needed his help. And to think he swore with the name of God about speaking I'll about me I wish I recorded the calls.

Blessedsunny2:

Spanish tiles both 60 by 60

prices please

diordaves:


I'm sorry I don't understand. Are they both sharing the Alumaco job? By Alumaco, do you mean casement windows kind of job? Is michlins into Alumaco now? I'm trying to understand the motive for connivance.

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If window is 6x5 and quoted as such. They could be adjusted to 6x4 or 5x4, installed and plastered since the owner is not around. Meanwhile in collusion, the welder presents a quote of 6x5 too and builds 6x4 or 5x4 as the case may be to match the casement window sizes. Multiply these by many windows.

From available information, he went to the site to get measurements for the job. What business does he have with the Alumaco guy and his measurements when 6x5 is 6x5? There is a reason the Alumaco refused to share his measurements because he mentioned that Michlin mentioned altering the sizes. If the owner understood it, he wouldn't have reached out.

I have said my own and I will not get involved in this any longer...not worth my time.

/

Things like this frame opening size saga rarely happens in the USA due to standards.

You can go to Home/Lowe’s to buy prehung doors and windows and they’ll fit all day long.

It’s time to set standards in the building industry in Nigeria.

On my next personal build I’ll be fabricating frames for all openings based on USA standards. So if I call for 4X4 window or burglary then I expect same.

oluwaleokey:
Please guys, I just acquired a land but have not employed the services of a surveyor yet however a site engineer that I engaged for fencing was able to measure the land round with a tape for the fencing purposes

Please who can assist interpret/calculate this figure for me
I'd like to know how many plots

Front = 41ft
Back = 77ft
Left = 233ft
Right = 129ft

Any help will be highly appreciated
Thanks

Your total landmass is approximately One and half plots. (1.47 Plots).
Though it is not a regular-shaped 18.18M X 36.36M plot.

michlins:
Like I said earlier, should I get a measurement of a job that says 4 by 4, the alumaco guy will be working with something closer to 44 by 44.

So I personally asked him the contact of the alumaco guy to know exactly what measurements he's working with to avoid me supplying something higher than the measurements. Whoever that makes alumaco windows here knows exactly what am talking about and it's a problem we face as a welder.

This same person I did a standing tank for without compromising on standard, how will I start on windows where everyone will see the size and I will want to cheat?

The alumaco guy in question, I will say is just mischievous and probably wanted to get the whole jobs. I called him today and he told me he didn't speak to the house owner except explain to him how I needed his help. And to think he swore with the name of God about speaking I'll about me I wish I recorded the calls.

Like I'm used to saying... Everything is fraud on this property section. The word is freely thrown around. I no longer advertise my works on this platform, just giving advice. Before Fraud will be stamped on someone's government name.

In almost all projects, welder will request for measurements from aluminium guys. Then he will reduce it by 3 inches on all sides so that when plastering is done (which is usually 1.5" thick, the burglary bars can still fit.

The Alumaco guy is the DEVIL. A very bad human being.
Nonsense.

EgunMogaji2:
Things like this frame opening size saga rarely happens in the USA due to standards.

You can go to Home/Lowe’s to buy prehung doors and windows and they’ll fit all day long.

It’s time to set standards in the building industry in Nigeria.

On my next personal build I’ll be fabricating frames for all openings based on USA standards. So if I call for 4X4 window or burglary then I expect same.

Baba, I can tell you authoritatively that 99% of issues here aren’t really worth the negative energies dispelled on it.

There’s windows and doors schedule to guide builder and artisans on their projects. The issue of measurements will only arise if the builder make modifications to the existing design of the building.

Few weeks ago, I shared that my welder will always ask you for the engineering drawing of your tank tower or any steel structure before he handle anything, it was as if I’m speaking in unknown tongues.
Now we can see the reasons why this is important.

I recently prepared a quote for some windows running into about N9m for a client here, I didn’t bother to get to the site for measurements. I only asked for the windows schedule.
In the same vein, I only used the windows schedule to prepare for the aluminum shutters. I just asked the building engineer to tell me the windows he wanted to have the shutters.

I don’t know any other way to do my job other than working with standards but here it’s called “packaging.”

In a standard project, welder doesn’t have any business with other tradesperson but simply to ask for the windows/doors schedule.
But here, it seems we now have nairaland building standard

Pic 1 - Windows Schedule
Pic 2 - Aluminum Shutter Quote (with reduction in the width sizes)

Here’s building plan I did recently for @true2home and the man who came to complain about the plan his architect made for him few weeks ago @nanmcphee (forgot his user ID).

Windows schedule are not just there for fun but to guide the builder and the tradespeople.

I always smile when I see the stuffs people push on here. It makes me understand Nigerians better.

n3xt:


Baba, I can tell you authoritatively that 99% of issues here aren’t really worth the negative energies dispelled on it.

There’s windows and doors schedule to guide builder and artisans on their projects. The issue of measurements will only arise if the builder make modifications to the existing design of the building.

Few weeks ago, I shared that my welder will always ask you for the engineering drawing of your tank tower or any steel structure before he handle anything, it was as if I’m speaking in unknown tongues.
Now we can see the reasons why this is important.

I recently prepared a quote for some windows running into about N9m for a client here, I didn’t bother to get to the site for measurements. I only asked for the windows schedule.
In the same vein, I only used the windows schedule to prepare for the aluminum shutters. I just asked the building engineer to tell me the windows he wanted to have the shutters.

I don’t know any other way to do my job other than working with standards but here it’s called “packaging.”

In a standard project, welder doesn’t have any business with other tradesperson but simply to ask for the windows/doors schedule.
But here, it seems we now have nairaland building standard

Pic 1 - Windows Schedule
Pic 2 - Aluminum Shutter Quote (with reduction in the width sizes)

This is what I’m used to. Schedules

I have been quietly following recent situations here.
On this Window issue.....

If a Window is quoted and priced based on 4ft X 4ft, l will expect the Alluminium Window to be exactly 4 X 4 and to install it, the Bricklayer simply chisels back some part of the Wall Opening, if at all, to allow the frame into the 4 X 4 Space provided on the Wall.
When it comes to Burglary, same process applies even moreso if the Burglary is to be installed outside of the Aluminium Casing.
To install it, the installer chisels the point of installation, the Burglary slips-in and it is cemented in. Most come with 'legs' for that purpose.

I have never bought a 7 x 4 or 6 X 3 door and it measures anything less than that, it is the Wall frame that gets dressed a little to allow that frame to slip in.

So, l dont understand where all these argument about "reducing the frame size" from what was quoted, comes in.

But in retrospect and in my own personal opinion, l will give @Michelins the benefit of the doubt in this matter.
WHY?
- the case against him, as it is right now, is not strong enough / weak, to call him out on financial impropriety or fraud.
It is like loosing a case on 'technical grounds', because you dont have solid evidence or your evidence cannot prove your case BEYOND DOUBT..

- @michelins has not shown such nefarious tendency, not even the slightest, in his short time on this thread/Nairaland.

I believe he took a LAZY DECISION (reducing burglary size, in all honesty), that will make fixing his Burglary work easier (in his own reasoning) and that decision may, UNINTENTIONALLY, also save him a some amount of money on materials to be used for the job ( no matter how small) but in all honesty, l dont think his intention was to defraud the Client by "under- producing to quoted size".

The Client has the Right to be furious that the Dimensions he paid for, are being reduced (for whatever reasons), without his knowledge and consent! The Contractor should at the very least, inform the Client well- ahead of such decision.

"Ceaser's wife must not only be Clean, she must be seen to be Clean".

But when in doubt, we should always give the accused person the benefit of the doubt.
l dont think the intention of @michelins was to do any hanky-panky to his Client.

I will plead with @InvertedHarmmer to ask his Client to overlook this "error" on the part of the Contractor.

I will also ask @michelins or any other contractor in here, to understand that once an agreement is reached with a Client, any variation, even if it is to the benefit of the Client, should be explained and discussed with the Client, get the nod of the Client, before implementation, so as to avoid this sort of unintended situation.
@michelins, please make-up with your Client privately and get his confidence back. Avoid being lured into blaming the Alumaco guy, it serves no purpose.

@All, please let us not escalate this matter by pouring more fuel into it.
God bless.


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somehow:


I like this 3 in 1 design

Yes me too. It’s pure steel (sturdier and stronger) window.