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MaxInDHouse:
Covenant between God and Israel {Exodus 19:5} has nothing to do with other nations, by the time God promised to establish ANOTHER covenant that will involve other nations Torah will not be the standard anymore! Jeremiah 31:31-34

What will be the standard?

That's part of Messiah's assignment!
He will shepherd the nations (that subjected themselves to him) with an Iron rod {Psalms 2:7-9} this means they must learn to follow his footsteps as he leads no one should think he knows what's right or wrong, whatever principle the Messiah laid down must be adhere to strictly.
Messiah will not just come and start forcing people as those faithless Jews are thinking rather he must first come to counsel people {Isaiah 9:6} it's when he comes back that he will then destroy all those who refused to heed his command! Luke 19:27

So he has come as Jesus of Nazareth and taught us how to live by God's laws, he knew the Torah better than Moses so he taught us what each law means and how to apply it practically when they're taking it to other nations who weren't part of the first covenant.

Today JWs are living by that standard though defaults is inevitable just as it was with the Torah but once a Christian realize he has defaulted he will have to go to the elders of the Christian congregation who will now counsel him/her so as not to fall prey again. Of course some will not like to be disciplined so instead of pelting them with stones like the first covenant says, we will remove them from our midst (disfellowship)

That's why you think JWs don't want to leave the Organization because each one of us know that this is JEHOVAH'S Organization given the new covenant, whoever is disfellowshiped from our midst is worse than those who persecutes us because such a person will not be remembered during the resurrection of the dead. And if he/she is alive when the Messiah comes back to establish his kingdom surely such an unrepentant wrongdoer will be destroyed for not staying within the spiritual city of refuge! Numbers 35:27

sonmvayina:
What will be the standard?

MaxInDHouse:
That's part of Messiah's assignment!
He will shepherd the nations (that subjected themselves to him) with an Iron rod {Psalms 2:7-9} this means they must learn to follow his footsteps as he leads no one should think he knows what's right or wrong, whatever principle the Messiah laid down must be adhere to strictly.
Messiah will not just come and start forcing people as those faithless Jews are thinking rather he must first come to counsel people {Isaiah 9:6} it's when he comes back that he will then destroy all those who refused to heed his command! Luke 19:27

So he has come as Jesus of Nazareth and taught us how to live by God's laws, he knew the Torah better than Moses so he taught us what each law means and how to apply it practically when they're taking it to other nations who weren't part of the first covenant.

Today JWs are living by that standard though defaults is inevitable just as it was with the Torah but once a Christian realize he has defaulted he will have to go to the elders of the Christian congregation who will now counsel him/her so as not to fall prey again. Of course some will not like to be disciplined so instead of pelting them with stones like the first covenant says, we will remove them from our midst (disfellowship)

That's why you think JWs don't want to leave the Organization because each one of us know that this is JEHOVAH'S Organization given the new covenant, whoever is disfellowshiped from our midst is worse than those who persecutes us because such a person will not be remembered during the resurrection of the dead. And if he/she is alive when the Messiah comes back to establish his kingdom surely such an unrepentant wrongdoer will be destroyed for not staying within the spiritual city of refuge! Numbers 35:27

This are all your opinion, i dont see you quotting the prophet that God used to intimate the paople about this plan.

For isaiah 9:6

Did the prophet Isaiah prophesy (Isa 9:6-7) that The Messiah would be G-d in human form? Let's examine it

�“For to us a child will be born, to us a son� is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty G-d, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the growth of his government and peace, there will be no end. He will rule over his kingdom, sitting on the throne of David, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness from this time onward and forevermore. The zeal of the L-RD of the Heavenly Armies will accomplish this.” (Isa 9:6-7 KJV)

☝️ ​Once again, the problem with this is that it’s a Christian translation and the
translators either accidentally or purposely mistranslated key phrases. This is
why neither the original Hebrew nor The Jewish translations word it this way.

�​First, it does not say, “For a child will be born” (future tense). It says
“HAS BEEN born” (past tense) (Hebrew- Yulad).
�​ ​Second, it does not say, “The government will rest on his shoulders”
(future tense). It says, “was placed upon his shoulder” (Past Tense) (Hebrew- Al).
�​ Third, it does not say “his name shall be called” (future tense). It says “his
name was called” (past tense) (Hebrew- VaYikra). Matter of fact, every
religious Jew knows this since “VaYikra” is the Hebrew word for the book of
Leviticus, which literally means “and he called.”

☝️ ​So, we see in every instance in this passage the Christian translators translated everything written in the past tense into future tense�‍♀️ (possibly to lead people to think that this passage was talking about Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha being G-d). Furthermore, we now see that Isaiah 9:6-7 (Isaiah 9:5-6 in a Jewish/Hebrew Bible) literally says, � ''For a child� has been born to us, a son is given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the Wondrous Adviser, the mighty G-d, The everlasting Father, caaaalled his name, "The Prince of Peace."� To him who increases the authority and for peace without end, on David’s throne, and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness, from now on to eternity, the zeal of The L-rd Of Hosts shall accomplish this.”
(Isa 9:6-7)

�​ ​Fourth, to clarify from a Jewish understanding; JUST BECAUSE someone has a divine name DOES NOT mean they are divine themselves☝️☝️☝️. Here are some examples of Jewish names and what they mean:
�​Isaiah = Salvation of Y-h
​� Hezekiah = The Mighty Y-h
​� Ezekiel = Strength of El
� ​Tovia = Goodness of Y-h
� ​Elienai = El is my eyes
� ​Jehoiada = knowledge of Y-h
​� Elisha = El is salvation
� Hananiah = Gracious Y-h
� ​Elijah =The L-rd El
� Gedaliah = The Great Y-h
� Jesse = Y-h sees
� Eliab = Father El
� Eli = my El
� Eliezar =The help of El
� Netanyahu = Y-h gives

☝️ For example, just because Hezekiah’s name means “The Mighty G-d” doesn’t mean that Hezekiah is actually G-d. Ezekiel’s name means “The Strength of G-d” but G-d didn’t go to Ezekiel every time He did something since Ezekiel was His strength. Having a divine name doesn’t make you divine.

�​ ​Fifth, the phrase “The Zeal Of The L-rd Of Hosts shall accomplish this” is a phrase only found in passages describing Hezekiah’s miraculous victory over Assyria.
(See Isa 9:6-7; Isa 37:32; 2 Kin 19:31)

�​ In conclusion, when Isaiah 9:6-7 is read in context with Isaiah 8:23-10:34, it becomes clear that it is talking about �King Hezekiah. This verse is not discussing any future event or The Messiah. Rather, Isaiah is describing the exaltation of King Hezekiah and The divine names G-d bestowed upon him following the miracle when Jerusalem was saved from The Assyrian siege. This is when 185,000 Assyrian soldiers surrounded Jerusalem and G-d sent an angel into the Assyrian camp, killing all 185,000 of them. The King of Assyria, Sennacherib, escaped and was killed by members of his own house. This took place in the year 701 BCE/BC.

(See 2 Kin 18:1-19:37; Isa 8:23-10:34; Isa 36:1-37:38; 2 Chr 30:1-32:23)

Enjoy the benefits of your Torah!

sonmvayina:
This are all your opinion, i dont see you quotting the prophet that God used to intimate the paople about this plan.

For isaiah 9:6

Did the prophet Isaiah prophesy (Isa 9:6-7) that The Messiah would be G-d in human form? Let's examine it

�“For to us a child will be born, to us a son� is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty G-d, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the growth of his government and peace, there will be no end. He will rule over his kingdom, sitting on the throne of David, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness from this time onward and forevermore. The zeal of the L-RD of the Heavenly Armies will accomplish this.” (Isa 9:6-7 KJV)

☝️ ​Once again, the problem with this is that it’s a Christian translation and the
translators either accidentally or purposely mistranslated key phrases. This is
why neither the original Hebrew nor The Jewish translations word it this way.

�​First, it does not say, “For a child will be born” (future tense). It says
“HAS BEEN born” (past tense) (Hebrew- Yulad).
�​ ​Second, it does not say, “The government will rest on his shoulders”
(future tense). It says, “was placed upon his shoulder” (Past Tense) (Hebrew- Al).
�​ Third, it does not say “his name shall be called” (future tense). It says “his
name was called” (past tense) (Hebrew- VaYikra). Matter of fact, every
religious Jew knows this since “VaYikra” is the Hebrew word for the book of
Leviticus, which literally means “and he called.”

☝️ ​So, we see in every instance in this passage the Christian translators translated everything written in the past tense into future tense�‍♀️ (possibly to lead people to think that this passage was talking about Jesus/Yeshua/Yahusha being G-d). Furthermore, we now see that Isaiah 9:6-7 (Isaiah 9:5-6 in a Jewish/Hebrew Bible) literally says, � ''For a child� has been born to us, a son is given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the Wondrous Adviser, the mighty G-d, The everlasting Father, caaaalled his name, "The Prince of Peace."� To him who increases the authority and for peace without end, on David’s throne, and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness, from now on to eternity, the zeal of The L-rd Of Hosts shall accomplish this.”
(Isa 9:6-7)

�​ ​Fourth, to clarify from a Jewish understanding; JUST BECAUSE someone has a divine name DOES NOT mean they are divine themselves☝️☝️☝️. Here are some examples of Jewish names and what they mean:
�​Isaiah = Salvation of Y-h
​� Hezekiah = The Mighty Y-h
​� Ezekiel = Strength of El
� ​Tovia = Goodness of Y-h
� ​Elienai = El is my eyes
� ​Jehoiada = knowledge of Y-h
​� Elisha = El is salvation
� Hananiah = Gracious Y-h
� ​Elijah =The L-rd El
� Gedaliah = The Great Y-h
� Jesse = Y-h sees
� Eliab = Father El
� Eli = my El
� Eliezar =The help of El
� Netanyahu = Y-h gives

☝️ For example, just because Hezekiah’s name means “The Mighty G-d” doesn’t mean that Hezekiah is actually G-d. Ezekiel’s name means “The Strength of G-d” but G-d didn’t go to Ezekiel every time He did something since Ezekiel was His strength. Having a divine name doesn’t make you divine.

�​ ​Fifth, the phrase “The Zeal Of The L-rd Of Hosts shall accomplish this” is a phrase only found in passages describing Hezekiah’s miraculous victory over Assyria.
(See Isa 9:6-7; Isa 37:32; 2 Kin 19:31)

�​ In conclusion, when Isaiah 9:6-7 is read in context with Isaiah 8:23-10:34, it becomes clear that it is talking about �King Hezekiah. This verse is not discussing any future event or The Messiah. Rather, Isaiah is describing the exaltation of King Hezekiah and The divine names G-d bestowed upon him following the miracle when Jerusalem was saved from The Assyrian siege. This is when 185,000 Assyrian soldiers surrounded Jerusalem and G-d sent an angel into the Assyrian camp, killing all 185,000 of them. The King of Assyria, Sennacherib, escaped and was killed by members of his own house. This took place in the year 701 BCE/BC.

(See 2 Kin 18:1-19:37; Isa 8:23-10:34; Isa 36:1-37:38; 2 Chr 30:1-32:23)

The problem is that Language is confusing men, when you say or hear God what comes to mind is the Creator, 1Co 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. The creator here is the Father and Jesus was used to carry out the work, quote author=franklytrue post=99196596]'Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.' - John 14:9-11

'For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.' - John 5:22-23 (also 1 John 2: 22-23)

God is the Saviour. Jesus is the Saviour. Are there two Saviours? No. He is the same God.

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." - Isaiah 43:11 (Isaiah 43:3, ch 45:15,21, ch 63:8, Psalm 106:21, Hosea 13:4, etc)
"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." - Luke 2:11
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;" - Titus 2:13 (Acts 5:31, Titus 3:4, 1 John 4:14, Jude 1:25, etc)

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father ARE ONE." - John 10:26-30

O false Witnesses that have no experiential intimate knowledge of Jehovah and deny His greatness with your revised and amended bible "Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?" - Job 11:7

God is beyond your limited knowledge and flawed reasoning. God hides these things from the 'wise and prudent' and reveals them unto babes. The Son reveals the Father to us and the Father reveals the Son to us. This is a relationship. It is intimate knowledge you cannot get just by reasoning. Humble yourselves and let the Father reveal Himself to you. (Matt. 11:25-27, Luke 10:21-22, John 14:23)

The LORD, he is the God. Jesus Christ is the Lord. Jesus Christ is God.

He is the Word with God in the beginning, that created all things; the Word made flesh -God manifest in flesh.
The Word was God. Jesus Christ is the Word. Jesus Christ is the Lord. Jesus Christ is God. Receive Him as your Saviour, honour Him, worship Him and keep His commandments for you do so to the Father that sent Him. (1 Kings 18:39, John 1:1-18, Phil. 2:9-11, Col. 1:15-19, Heb. 1:1-6, 1John 1:1-18, Matt. 28:18-20, ch 10:40, John 12:48, ch 13:20, 1 John 2:22-23, ch 5:20, 1 Tim. 3:16)

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