₦airaland Forum

Kinematics:
Blood of Zachariah!... nothing i no go see for nairaland.

Even lai Muhammed is learning from you.

Are you still shock those guys can claim any where

ifynicky:
Do you think Ndigbo is just only present 5 SE states? you mentioned SS, do you know Ndigbo are in SS states? Incrwae you are not an Igbo person. Ndigbo means Igbo people and Igbo people comprise of present SE and large number of SS and few in Kogi and Benue.

Igbos out side south east are simply foreigners in another man's land

ken6488:
Igbos out side south east are simply foreigners in another man's land

U tagging them that doesnt mean they are? The problem is pple typing here do not know abt their origin and history. How can anyone say Igbos are only 5 SE states? Because they divided pple and did those stuffs? Where is Gongola state today? We need to educate some pple who do not understand. Its nt ur call or anyone to tell who is Igbo or not.....

ifynicky:
U tagging them that doesnt mean they are? The problem is pple typing here do not know abt their origin and history. How can anyone say Igbos are only 5 SE states? Because they divided pple and did those stuffs? Where is Gongola state today? We need to educate some pple who do not understand. Its nt ur call or anyone to tell who is Igbo or not.....

We are not talking about ancient time here, this is the future, igbo only have 5 states in the current Nigeria

Take it or leave it

ken6488:
Whe have heard from you, able mighty igbo

Clowns, be claiming where you don't belong

A matter of time you people start claiming Lagos as igbo

Very cunning set of people

Only fools and idiots are claiming Lagos and anywhere else. My concern is only Igboland. No inch will be left behind.

Kinematics:
Blood of Zachariah!... nothing i no go see for nairaland.

Even lai Muhammed is learning from you.

Kai Mohammed must be learning how to tell the TRUTH from me. He's already proficient at lying

[s][quote author= post=99565207]First read these short post below and move on to the long one after that.....


NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 


SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit. 

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine. 

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'. 

REWIND TO 2014. 
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance. 

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did. 

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more. 

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one and a half tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma. 

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game. 

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu. 


Lol .
No be only waist, Na Ikebe

Una no go killi person for dis forum with laughter.....[/quote][/s]

awgumayor:
Only fools and idiots are claiming Lagos and anywhere else. My concern is only Igboland. No inch will be left behind.

Exactly we are in same page,
Just because igbo are in a place doesn't automatically make it an igbo land


I know most of the history of these places, so you guys know your limit

ken6488:
Igbos will be the first to complain fulanisation agenda, always crying about Fulani

But forgetting they are worse than the fulani when it comes to clamming another man's land

We are no longer talking about Biafra but Ndigbo republic. Which land are we claiming again? Is isoko Igboland? You better start planning on how you can survive Fulani onslaught when the time comes because, Benin republic can be too far and it is already occupying.

AdakaBoro8:
when did u get this false information?

So to you, a town first named UBANI by the locals, was first occupied by non-Igbos. What then, was the name given to the town by non-Igbo localls?

Anyway, view my signature and read the snippet from the first book ever written about UBANI (BONNY), by a neutral British observer, in 1830

ken6488:
We are not talking about ancient time here, this is the future, igbo only have 5 states in the current Nigeria

Take it or leave it

We are saying thesame thing. SE is a geopolitical zone. "GEO".. you may want to check the meaning. You or anyone cnt say who is Igbo and who is not..... okay. The Igbos know themselves and it runs from some present SS states, SE states and few in NC zone. Do you know how many states make up Ndigbo ohaneze?

Easternblood:
And your enclave is heaven right? Lol,Ndi Yoruba Ndi iberibe eh!!! Useless bastards,your enclave is a South West

Tribalistic ba*t*rd....... Osu Nyamiri...

OfoIgbo:
2023

You go wait tire.....

Kinematics:
Ibos are still living in the 20th century. They don't know that this is the 21st century... Someone is even making reference to Gongola state.

Oh as Rivers people we should start crying because Bayelsa was carved out of Rivers .

Nonsense and ipigs.

Or delta should be crying they are caved from bendel

ken6488:
They keep claim
Asaba
Ph
Part of benue

The question is

Why is it that those places population don't compose of 80% igbo like to core igbo states like abia

You are talking shit. One can't claim what he already has. When the chips are done then, come and drag those places with us.

This is why I keep warning everyone that keep keeps
.saying

SS/SE They are separate

Stop tagging them along

awgumayor:
You are talking shit. One can't claim what he already has. When the chips are done then, come and drag those places with us.

You have been beaten before
It can happen again. Trust me it will be a humiliating defeat for you guys

ken6488:
Igbos out side south east are simply foreigners in another man's land

The same way Yoruba in Kwarra, Kogi, Delta are foreigners? The same way Hausas in North East are foreigners? You think the unconstitutional geographical zones have anything to do with people's ethnicity.

Kinematics:
See who is talking about hit and run
Cowards that have been running since 1967

[b]Small touch Wike touch una for Oyigbo all of una run...

So acting as a traitor and inviting Nigerian army to attack people of Obigbo is a brave act to you?

Don't worry, you all will pay for that crime against people of Obigbo, we are keeping the record and that's why Obigbo will always go with us to ensure they're fully protected.

awgumayor:
The same way Yoruba in Kwarra, Kogi, Delta are foreigners? The same way Hausas in North East are foreigners? You think the unconstitutional geographical zones have anything to do with people's ethnicity.

That's your headache, do you know how many ethnic groups make up Belgium?
French, German, many more

You have to accept the fact now

ken6488:
Igbos out side south east are simply foreigners in another man's land

Childish talk, they've occupied those lands since recorded history. We are far stronger than you if it comes to hostilities and we are also far more connected in the global diplomatic circle, so heads or tails you will be crushed to smithereens

ken6488:
This is why I keep warning everyone that keep keeps
.saying

SS/SE They are separate

Stop tagging them along

You don't have sense, provided there are Igbos in both SE and SS, we will always combine the two regions during discussions and there is nothing you can do about it because we are forever bonded with our blood brothers

BastardWike:
Childish talk, they've occupied those lands since recorded history. We are far stronger than you if it comes to hostilities and we are also far more connected in the global diplomatic circle, so heads or tails you will be crushed to smithereens

Connected my ass

It will just take a little naval blockade to totally seal you guys off

ken6488:
We are not talking about ancient time here, this is the future, igbo only have 5 states in the current Nigeria

Take it or leave it

Just like Imo and Abia are among Niger delta states... incase you do not know. Does it mean Imo ans Abi are not Igbo states? You may want to check this from the latest NDDC meeting

https://www.nairaland.com/6441222/nddc-time-politics-over-time

No need to insult anyone.. its just a conversation okay.

BastardWike:
So acting as a traitor and inviting Nigerian army to attack people of Obigbo is a brave act to you?

Don't worry, you all will pay for that crime against people of Obigbo, we are keeping the record and that's why Obigbo will always go with us to ensure they're fully protected.

Oga protector, did the indigines complain to you

ifynicky:
Just like Imo and Abia are among Niger delta states... incase you do not know. Does it mean Imo ans Abi are not Igbo states? You may want to check this from the latest NDDC meeting

https://www.nairaland.com/6441222/nddc-time-politics-over-time

No need to insult anyone.. its just a conversation okay.

It is there choice to stay with us or go as we will not be needing them
Delta
Edo
Akwa
Rivers
Cross rivers

Are enough we are very OK with it so I advise you guys to also accept your 5

ken6488:
It is there choice to stay with us or go as we will not be needing them
Delta
Edo
Akwa
Rivers
Cross rivers

Are enough we are very OK with it so I advise you guys to also accept your 5

What I am trying to say is even if Delta or rivers are part of present SS states, it does not mean that SOME PARTS of the states are not Igbo people.
and they are part of Ndigbo

Kwashiman:
Finally someone with a scope of realism, I'm tired of hearing and seeing that stupid IPOB untenable manifesto of including all the nooks and crannies of the minority ethnic groups into "Biafra", that's not an utopian project worth wasting one's time on cause we're just neighbors with these minority groups and nothing more. The Alaigbo Republic will be a purely homogeneous nation of only Igbos consisting of the 5 SE geopolitical states, the Enuani part of Anioma who are direct descendants of the Nri kingdom and have never denied their beautiful Igbo identities and that is it! The Ukwani and Ika are Benin so those ones are not even in the conversation. Then the most Igbophobic elements found predominantly in Rivers state (Ikwerre, Ogba, Etche, Omuma) are inconsequential and can also join their Bini brothers for all we care...

Remove Etche from there