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Kobojunkie:
Why drag this? You opened accused me here, so I ask you where is the evidence you have of my cherry-picking as far as the Truth of God is concerned?

budaatum:
I threw your own false words back in your face. Go read your own posts for the evidence you require.

Kobojunkie:
So your accusation was a lie?

budaatum:
That, is precisely what is being claimed in the Gospel According to John.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Basically, that Jesus was an avatar, as in a "concrete embodiment of something abstract".

Kobojunkie:
Not the hindu specific definition
From this, I am able to declare that Jesus Christ is God's avatar on Earth.

Martian:
2. an icon or figure representing a particular person in video games, internet forums, etc.

Do you mean earth is like a video game or other A.I. environment rendered by God, who thereafter decided to participate in the game through an avatar?
Like Mortal Kombat?
Chose your Character:
Lui Kang
Raiden
Jesus
Johnny Cage
Sub-Zero

budaatum:
Really? As in, you checked the evidence of your own posts and found it to be a lie, or you did not bother to check and just want to believe it is a lie inside your head?

Trust me. I feel for your inability to reflect.

Kobojunkie:
So your accusation was a lie?

Martian:
They similar as in they represent embodiments abstract ideas but they are not the the same. That Jesus was the embodiment of the greek "divine reason" is what John is claiming, while an avatar could just be one of the incarnations of any a hindu god(s). Potayto Potahto.

budaatum:
The Bible you yourself said:
Trust me, the below is your truest statement. It is unfortunate that you do not even seem to understand what you yourself write!

Kobojunkie:
The apostles did not have the Book you call the Bible. Many of them were uneducated so even the scriptures during their time was far from them.
Instead, those who have the Bible to read have chosen to worship it as if a god of sorts when it was never intended as one. It is indeed a book that contains the Word of God(Jesus Christ) but itself is not holy or divine in anyway or form.

budaatum:
Whatever abstract idea Jesus was embodying, was an avatar of that body, is the point.

The world has evolved from avatar just meaning a hindu god, Martian. We humans and our language kinda do work that way.

Kobojunkie:
I believe I was quite clear on the meaning I implied

Martian:
No you aren't clear.

Which idea/definition do you have in mind:
Hindu God
Divine Reason
Video Games
Avatar the Movie

You've used video games and avatar the move so far in your posts.

Kobojunkie:
Not the Hindu specific definition
From this, I am able to declare that Jesus Christ is God's avatar on Earth.

Martian:
Your peculiar definition
Expand?

Kobojunkie:
Not the hindu specific definition.

(Another definition for avatar found in the dictionary) 2. an icon or figure representing a particular person in video games, internet forums, etc.
From this, I am able to declare that Jesus Christ is God's avatar on Earth.

Kobojunkie:
2. an icon or figure representing a particular person in video games, internet forums, etc.

Martian:
Potayto Potahto when it comes to Hindu Avatar/Divine Reason like I said to Buda. But you are not clear about your meaning.

Kobojunkie:
I can't trust you because you are merely a human being ......

budaatum:
Ignore buda. Go back and read what you yourself wrote in this thread and see what the Holy Spirit ministers to you in your own words.

When you are done. And only when you are done!
Click on this link. Scroll to the bottom and work your way up to see how far the Lord God Almighty has brought you and buda, and know that Christ has only just begun working on you and I.

By thy Fruits, Kobojunkie. And not by your mere beliefs!

budaatum:
You obviously do not know buda, so listen very carefully.
You will note that I keep telling you to read what you yourself write. In fact, let me post it again so you can not claim you did not see.
Kobojunkie, if you trust mere human buda more than you can trust your own self as guided by the Holy Spirit that the Lord Jesus Christ has sent to minister to you, you kobojunkie, and the buda that you trusted, will both burn in the hottest pit of hell for both being stupid ignorant fuqs!
You, Sir, are warned!

Jeremiah 17 vs 5-10 (ERV)
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5. Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength,[a] whose heart turns away from the Lord.
6. He is like a shrub in the desert, and shall not see any good come. He shall dwell in the parched places of the wilderness, in an uninhabited salt land.
7. “But those who trust in the Lord will be blessed. They know that the Lord will do what he says.
8. They will be strong like trees planted near a stream that send out roots to the water. They have nothing to fear when the days get hot. Their leaves are always green. They never worry, even in a year that has no rain. They always produce fruit.
9. “Nothing can hide its evil as well as the human mind. It can be very sick, and no one really understands it.
10. But I am the Lord, and I can look into a person’s heart. I can test a person’s mind and decide what each one should have. I can give each person the right payment for what they do.

budaatum:
As in Potayto Potahto a potato is a potato?

I doubt my meaning can be any much clearer.

Kobojunkie:
See, the declaration made by God through His prophet Jeremiah!

Martian:
Potayto Potahto but Kobojunkie was talking about Tomayto.

budaatum:
Kindly separate potatoes from tomatoes.

Kobojunkie:
I do see how you conveniently ignore the part where I state what it is that is important in all that is written in the very same bible.

Kobojunkie:
Forget the doctrine of Trinity which itself is a doctrine put together by men, something Jesus Christ calls a lie. Instead, learn of God from the Word of God.

According to Jesus Christ, He is the Word of God... The Truth of God, the one through which God spoke everything into being that was created. You can read up on this by carefully reading through the Gospels.
Most important in what sense? You forgot to specify a context.

Anyways, we know that God Himself is Love and every one of His acts is Love in action.
And as far as opinions on these things go, Paul's opinion, on what is most important, is his opinion. If you do not agree, that is fine too. But where Jesus Christ is concerned, when it comes to His commandments for His followers, He spoke of love as most important when it comes to the things of God...

...and since God Himself is Love , Jesus Christ commands love for one's enemies(going the extra mile to appease them) so that by doing so, one becomes perfect even as the Father is Perfect.


Here is what I have personally learned in my walk so far with God. Faith is not some mental gymnastics as is popularly believed. Instead, faith is instead a collection of all the good works done in obedience to the commandments of Jesus Christ, trusting fully in the Father's lead.

God has work for everyone who believes in Him to do, and Jesus Christ never hid this fact from His followers in any way. He told them parable after parable explaining that there is indeed work to be done and every worker will be judged according to how well they do the work given them. So, yes, Faith is just as important as your works since they are not as independent of each other as many have, and continue to assume to this very moment.

Heaven is a reward available only to do who submit to the lead of the Spirit of God, obeying His commandments as a result. So, to everyone who wants to make it into the Kingdom of Heaven, that is very important.

P.S. All of Paul's letters were directed at those in the specified churches who already believed and had the Spirit of God living in them. Trying to understand one as one who has yet to understand the truth of God is like trying to climb over a high wall while in a wheelchair.

Martian:
i.e. he doesn't mean embodiment of logos.

budaatum:
Do I need to repeat for you what will happen if you trust mere human buda more than you can trust your own self as guided by the Holy Spirit that the Lord Jesus Christ has sent to minister to you kobojunkie, or can I trust that you recognise that what I wrote means exactly what Jeremiah promised you as follows:
Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in buda and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord
Please confirm if you understand that buda and Jeremiah are saying the exact same thing.

Jeremiah 17 vs 7-10 (ERV)
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7. “But those who trust in the Lord will be blessed. They know that the Lord will do what he says.
8. They will be strong like trees planted near a stream that send out roots to the water. They have nothing to fear when the days get hot. Their leaves are always green. They never worry, even in a year that has no rain. They always produce fruit.
9. “Nothing can hide its evil as well as the human mind. It can be very sick, and no one really understands it.
10. But I am the Lord, and I can look into a person’s heart. I can test a person’s mind and decide what each one should have. I can give each person the right payment for what they do.

Ihedinobi3:
I have already explained why I would rather not take that approach.

It is your thread and your inquiry. So you are certainly free to handle it as you please. Also, I am not the only respondent here nor are you forced to consider my opinion or response important enough to make any adjustments.

However, I don't have the time, energy, or inclination to get embroiled in endless arguments about things that those I discuss with don't really care about. I am a Bible teacher. My job is to explain Bible teachings to anyone who is willing to listen. So, I certainly can explain the Bible's position on your 12 items.

The question though is why you would believe me if you believe that the Bible's position is unknowable. It would be a waste of time on my part to do what you consider impossible.

So, again, I would suggest that you try to think about and answer for yourself why you think that the Bible does not have a clear position that can be known for sure. If we can unravel that knot, then it will be easier to explain the things that you have problems with.

Again, it's your call. This is your inquiry or challenge after all. You know how important it is to you to discover truth here. So you know exactly what you are willing to put on the line in that pursuit. You don't need to follow my advice at all if you don't want to.

Kobojunkie:
According to God, we are cursed if we trust in "self" since we are also human - flesh and blood. Rather, we are all called to our trust in God.

budaatum:
"He" kobojunkie doesn't mean, or "He" Christ does not mean?

budaatum:
The above statement is very true and insightful op, and is why many call it a "Living Book", because the more you breathed into it the more it comes alive inside your mind.

The Bible is a big complex book that develops your brain and mind. While as a child you may believe what you read, and understand as a child and think as a child who sees through glass darkly and knows only in part, you will find that as you grow and develop, you will put childish things away and become an adult who sees face to face so that you shall know even as also I am known.

However, and note the seeming contradiction, to become an adult who sees face to face, you must become as a child and be reborn, as in, abandon your beliefs and start as one born out of one's mother's womb as a baby who knows nothing. And then must you ask and seek and knock with all your heart and soul and mind and being until you find understanding. It is precisely this that the Pharisees could not do and which ended with Crucify Him.

If anyone told you picking up your heavy cross and following Christ is easy, they either see you as a child and do not wish to scare you and so ask that you just believe for now until you receive the ministering Holy Spirit, or you have asked for bread and been handed a serpent and a scorpion by those of whom Christ said "Woe"! And there are those who bother not to understand and just collect their thirty pieces of silver and say "Hail, master" and kiss Christ.

May we all gain understanding, in Jesus' Mighty Name.

Ref:
https://www.nairaland.com/6270982/tell-me-how-african-atheist

Martian:
Christ is not universally regarded as the logos by Christians because most don’t know what the logos mean, and not all who know regard him as such.

Myer:
From our earlier discussions, you seem to only believe the words of Jesus.

Myer:
But what do you make of his words in this verses concerning the work of the Holyspirit?
John 16:5-15
But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’
But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart.

Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.