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Nickshrapnel:
Ah! So you agree that you’re a kid

Kaycee7:
Well, if it's a play, it's a good one and works well with the heel persona she had before leaving.

Kaycee7:
Abeg, can someone point me in the direction of Rhonda's comments. Since DSTv expire, I just dey for wrestling darkness like this.

100naira:
I want to ask, Richochet offend Vince?

From Being one of the hottest prospects in wwe to a squash match against Lesnar to losing almost every match as a tag team wrestler.


By the way he had a decent match with cedric against the viking raiders.

TLona1:
He faked injury and got off the pitch to avoid criticism should Portugal had lost. Thanks to Eder who saved the day

TLona1:
Ronaldo has only performed well in just one UCL final so let's forget that.


For the question you asked, I'll answer by asking you to give me one final Ronaldo bossed in the Portuguese shirt

If you can't, run back to your hole!

FirstbornWds:
It's obvious you're out of points and ramblings to type. Can we move on to another debate.

Melevyn11, you've been avoiding my question. Hope all is well?

Sommyroy10:
Lmao. Attention from a stupid fellow?
You might beat your record today.

Expert17:
Purple clown and meLLEmeLLe gettting it hot

Sommyroy10:
Corrected

FirstbornWds:
Are you really this daft? Or are you trying to showcase stupidity for likes and shares?


I said,


Can you PLEASE define what your "influential" means in terms of the related argument context?


Is it really hard to comprehend?

Simply define it. If you're right, we move on, if not, then take to correction.

smh

Your Brain power is X 0 = 0

Your ability to never understand stuff is till

hulk616:
ok i know why my name was called.

FirstbornWds:
Lol. I expected you to have replied the "bitter truth" with insults already. I'm disappointed by you for once.

Please, can you define what your "influential" mean?

Let me use your own words/answer to dismantle your points.

FirstbornWds:
Can everyone see this? This is the confirmation that out dear purple is imbalanced, football-wise( I wouldn't know about real life instances though).

What he, Purple, is trying to tell us is that great players don't have their bad days when they play awfully bad and the teammates would have to step up.

Jesus, Ddippset... We've wasted time responding to confirmed slowpoke and we actually thought we were arguing. Wouldn't it be justified if I say this guy is just clowning around?

I mean,

Ronald didn't even play in the Euro 2016 final against France yet our dear slowpoke wants us to believe he was sublime and influential to the win.

How's Hulk616 not better than this guy? Even the other guy with a matric number will gladly surrender his heavyweight championship in stupidity to you.

What's this nonsense?

TLona1:
Choi! See lies

2014 be scored a penalty when the game was already sealed and dusted having given a disaster class performance


2016 he did not score any goal in the whole 180 minutes.. Stop lying.

2018, he was the worst Madrid player on the pitch and the second worst player after Karius. He was lurking inside Trent's pocket

Mtchew absolute reaching I've already given you documented facts

answer my own question...the ball Messi kicked out of the stadium in the Copa America final is still floating in space...why?

ddippset:
This is serious..

Am I supposed to bring up an article written by me?

This all shows how dubious you are.

There are other sites that rank differently, who did you choose this one

and I'm the dubious one

ddippset:
Are we talking about a winner's medal or analysing their performances in finals?

ddippset:
The 10 greatest goals in Champions League history
Cristiano Ronaldo’s overhead kick took the world’s breath away on Tuesday evening but how does it rank in Champions League history?
Well, we don’t know.
Goals are notoriously hard to rank because everyone has different tastes – perfect team play, spectacular individual skill, solo efforts?
Does the goal have to be as unique as possible? That certainly helps.
And the significance? It’s a lot harder to remember group stage goals and scoring when your side is already four goals up is not quite the same but those goals deserve some consideration, even if the weighting works against them.
We’ve done our best to take all of the above into account so, without further ado, here are our 10 best goals in Champions League history.
Here goes nothing…


10: Frank Lampard v Barcelona
We can’t think of another goal like this, not on this stage. A forgotten moment of genius and a deft piece of skill.
And yes, he meant it.
https://twitter.com/andriu_rd/status/973965185131171840


9: Claudio López v PSV Eindhoven
Volleys are hard and they look great but it feels like there’s so often luck involved, an element of hit and hope.
That wasn’t the case here – López swivelled and simultaneously controlled and smashed the ball all in one touch. All the more better having come from a long pass.
#OnThisDay in 1999, Claudio Lopez scored this fantastic goal for @valenciacf_en against PSV in the Champions League. Wonderful stuff! pic.twitter.com/CP5Nya5EK9
— Hypergoals (@hypergoals) September 21, 2017


8: Juninho v Bayern Munich
If we were going to include a free-kick (and we were always going to) it had to be one from Juninho.
The master of the dead ball hit his best ever against Bayern Munich and, for bonus points, sent a bewildered Oliver Kahn crashing into his post.


7: Cristiano Ronaldo v Ajax
Team goals often get overlooked. They aren’t spectacular enough for some people, we guess. Those people are wrong.
Ronaldo has scored every type of goal imaginable but it’s unfairly forgotten that Mourinho’s Madrid was a breathtaking counter-attacking machine.
This was them at their very best: swift, destructive, elegant, unstoppable.


6: Lionel Messi v Bayern Munich
Jérôme Boateng was the best defender in the world at the time, Manuel Neuer the best goalkeeper and Pep Guardiola was considered the best coach as he returned to Camp Nou.
Lionel Messi made all three of them look absolutely ridiculous.
You can almost hear someone in the distance shout ‘TIMBER!’ as the Argentine sends Boateng spinning before he chips Neuer with his ‘weak’ foot.


5: Thierry Henry v Real Madrid
The Bernabéu has seen some unbelievable players and even more unbelievable goals but this still seemed to take them by surprise.
Perhaps the most impressive thing is that four players actually get close to Henry but it looks like nobody does. His long stride takes him away from one, two, three Galácticos and he strikes just as a young Sergio Ramos arrives.
For a man who specialised in them, this was probably the best solo goal of his career.


4: Dejan Stanković v Schalke
Oh, a halfway line volley? That’s cool.
Yeah it’s cool and it’s even cooler when it comes at San Siro within the opening minute of a Champions League game.
Poor Manuel Neuer couldn’t believe his luck.
https://twitter.com/TitanicGoals/status/759803189663150081
3: Cristiano Ronaldo v Juventus
Maybe the best goal of Ronaldo’s 649 career goals to date. Yes, really.
The five metre dash to reach it. The seven foot leap. The connection while almost upside down and still moving backwards in midair. Perfectly into the corner.
All around the stadium, Juventus fans stood up to applaud. That says it all.



2: Zinedine Zidane v Bayer Leverkusen
A scorer in two World Cup finals, Zidane was a man for the occasion. He lived up to it once again in the 2002 Champions League final.
Roberto Carlos’ cross seems to spend an age in the air as Zidane sets himself, waiting for it to drop.
The most striking thing is just how high the Frenchman gets his leg as he makes contact with the ball.

For many it’s the greatest goal ever scored in European football, but…


1: Lionel Messi v Real Madrid
At the height of Pep Guardiola’s rivalry with José Mourinho, his greatest pupil secured a place in history. Sometimes you can just sense something special is unravelling right before you and this goal was exactly that.
Like he usually does, Sergio Busquets saw it before the rest of us, stopping the ball dead before allowing Messi to do the rest.
The two biggest and best clubs in the world, the most competitive rivalry in the world, was decided within the blink of an eye.

ddippset:
In which of the finals did Ronaldo score the over head kick?

ddippset:
How are you talking about Ronaldo for Madrid and Messi for Argentina?

Did Messi not play finals as well for Barca?


You are such a dubious character.

ddippset:
beasted.

The only thing he beasted in those finals was one 50 yard sprint on the left wing..

TLona1:
2014 and 2018, he was literally the worst player on the pitch on the pitch

2016, he was nowhere to be found throughout the whole 180 minutes

2017, well he did well as he buried two sublime tap ins

ddippset:
Ask purple later.


But for now just work strictly with the diagram.

Analyse it objectively and tell us who's choked more in finals.

TLona1:
No be lie. The only UCL final he beasted was the one in 2017 and you known what I'm talking about

FirstbornWds:
Why would I think such? Even if the insults or let me put it straight, the "bitter truth" is aimed at straightening you, I'm absolutely sure you won't find reasons in it.

Just I like said, I anticipated your reply and it really didn't come as a surprise. It's almost a common thing amongst Madridiots. The only person that has proven to be "different" is FergieRaww.

The different is in quotes is basically because I can see through his post and see the "insult" embedded in it but I'll choose to ignore because it ain't direct ( I stand to be corrected, though).

Sommyroy10:
Lol. That is true. But that is just a small water from the ocean man. You hardly see me argue this stuffs man. I just come and reply to facts that aren't that accurate or troll a bit when it is necessary. The word big game player is overused and overemphasized bro. It's not like your MCM has a better stats but that's another talk. Whether you agree or not, the amount of the man of the match award he has won in those KO matches is impressive. He chokes because he does not score? Or does not assist? I bet you, go and have a review of those KO matches, if possible watch the matches, tell me where he wasn't the better amongst the 22, where a player from his own team out performs him, include the opponents (I didn't say all, but majorly)

You call it Stat padding, but if he doesn't score against Nigeria, or Bosnia it's choking but if your MCM scores against Morocco, his jump celebration is higher than his former. Maradona that was praised for single handedly winning the world cup for Argentina, was misplaced in the final, but you don't see anyone crying cis other stepped up. The truth is your guy bleeped up with that screenshot he posted. The post was against everything he was saying.

This debate about who is greater is only between fans, Infact fan boys. The pundits, journalist, coach, greats, players that their opinion actually matter, has a harder time finding where to put Ronaldo in the GOAT list between 5th and 7th. While Messi is always between 1st and 2nd and do you think they don't know he has been to 4 finals and not won? It's more than that. Cheers

Now unto the defender debate, we didn't settle the midfielder own because you were biased baba. Now if you would agree that a defender can actually be better than Cannavaro despite his fifa best player award, we can engage.

FirstbornWds:
Bless you brother. Pu7pl3, comman take a look at this and see if you can find sense in it.

FirstbornWds:
Just as I predicted.

You are just not bright...so you think cos you didn't quote me I won't see the insults and dish it right back at your petty medieval asslicking arse?

Lewl

ddippset:
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Lionel Messi: 10 great managers that have answered the debate
givemesport.com Apr 12, 2020 4:26 PM

Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi are two of the greatest players of all time.

But who is better?

Many of the world's greatest managers in the world have answered the debate in the past.

Alex Ferguson, Diego Simeone and Jurgen Klopp are just three high-profile coaches that have given their opinion.

We've listed 10 legendary managers that have answered the debate and who they believed was better below.



1. Alex Ferguson - Cristiano Ronaldo
This isn't that surprising, given Ferguson brought Ronaldo to Manchester United and managed him for six years.

He outlined the differences between the two back in 2016.

“Now don’t get me wrong, Messi is a fantastic player, it’s like he’s wearing slippers when he controls the ball," he said in 2016, per Sports Illustrated.

"But here, for me, is the difference. Messi is a Barcelona player. But Ronaldo could play for Stockport County and score a hat trick. He has everything. He can shoot with both feet, head the ball, he’s as brave as a lion..."



2. Fabio Capello - Lionel Messi
Capello, who has been a critic of Ronaldo since he joined Juventus, went with Messi.

"It's one thing to be an outsider, and another thing, to be a genius," he told Marca, per calciomercato.

"The difference is enormous, since a genius does what nobody imagines. Ronaldo is an extraordinary footballer, but Messi is a genius."


3. Diego Simeone - Lionel Messi
A leaked WhatsApp clip in 2018 appeared to show Simeone claiming Ronaldo was better than Messi.

He clarified those comments shortly after and said that Messi was better.

"If I had to choose between Messi and Ronaldo then most likely I would choose Messi," Simeone told reporters, per Goal.

"Yes I said [Ronaldo] on the video, but the conversation was between me and [Atleti assistant] German Burgos, talking about football as everyone talks about it.

"When I talked about Messi and Ronaldo it wasn't from the perspective of who is the best in the world.

"I just meant that if you have the chance to sign one of them for a normal club, with normal players, Ronaldo would probably fit in better.

"But with Messi, surrounded by great players, Messi is better than Ronaldo."



4. Jurgen Klopp - Lionel Messi
Klopp made it clear he thought Messi was better when speaking at a Q&A in 2018.

“I have only one selfie on my smartphone. That’s with Messi. Cristiano Ronaldo was in the room as well…”



5. Zinedine Zidane - Cristiano Ronaldo
Zidane managed Ronaldo for many years so it's not much surprise he went with the Portuguese.

“Cristiano is the best. Messi is his rival and it's the rivalry everyone wants to see,” the Frenchman said.

“But Ronaldo is phenomenal. There are no words to describe him. He is much better than me even though I had a great career. He's the greatest of all time.”



6. Jose Mourinho - neither
In 2013, Mourinho said Ronaldo was the best. Three years later, he named Messi and not Ronaldo in his three greatest players of all time.

But, speaking to BeIN Sports last year, Mourinho refused to pick a favourite.

“I think it’s unfair to both of them when somebody [says] this one is better than the other one. I think they are just different,” he commented.

“When you go to Messi and Ronaldo, I think it’s just unfair to compare the players. The only thing I can say is that when I had Ronaldo on my side, I was a very happy man.

“And when I had to play against Messi - and also against Ronaldo because I played against Ronaldo a few times - I had to think a lot to try and help my team have chances to succeed."



7. Pep Guardiola - Lionel Messi
Guardiola managed Messi at Barcelona and in 2016, he said that the Argentine was on a different level to Ronaldo.

"Messi is the best, he is definitely the best," he said, per ESPN. "He knows how to play, score and make the other players play. He is always there.

"With all the respect to all the players, first to Cristiano Ronaldo -- congratulations to him for the award -- I think Messi is on another level."




8. Joachim Low - Lionel Messi
The World Cup winning manager was asked the question by Bild in 2018 and he went with Messi.

"I would stick with Messi," Low told Bild, per Goal.

"Cristiano Ronaldo is sensational, a very good professional, an incredible goalscoring machine for many years, but Messi is the most complete player I have seen.

"He is a great team player. He's provided 30 to 40 assists for the last 10 years as well as scoring around 50 goals.

"He's capable of leaving eight or nine players in his path and his goals always stay in your memory."



9. Arsene Wenger - neither
Wenger was asked about who he thought was better last September. Wenger doesn't like to compare the two, but did say managers would be more tempted by Messi.

“I would say that they are so good that it’s difficult to choose – in 10 footballers of the year, it’s five and five, so that shows they are really on the same level.

“Artistically, Messi is as well a guy who can give the final ball, so he’s maybe more a creative player than Ronaldo.

“Ronaldo is more a finisher, better in the air, more athletic, and Messi is the more artistic.

“So basically you are always tempted a little bit more by a player like Messi.”



10. Vicente Del Bosque - Lionel Messi
Real Madrid legend and World Cup winning manager Del Bosque went with Messi.

"He [Messi] almost always plays well," he told Mundo Deportivo, per Goal. "There are players who never do it wrong. He has an impressive regularity. He is a great player.

"I'm staying with Messi. I see a more natural soccer player, from his time in the neighbourhood, playing with friends on the street. Even so, Cristiano has extraordinary courage, with physical and technical conditions as a great scorer, but I'm staying with Messi."




Final tally:
Lionel Messi - 6

Cristiano Ronaldo - 2

Neither - 2

Out of the 10 great managers listed above, the majority went with Messi over Ronaldo.

But we think Wenger and Mourinho put it best. Both are both incredible footballers and will go down as two of the best ever.


10 Great Managers!

10 managers who know all about their careers both at club level and international level.



But some big ol' Pussies led by a purple one think they know better.

FirstbornWds:
FergieRaww gave his opinion. I gave mine and we since moved on.


There's no how in the world anybody would agree that Ronnie was a forward. I still stand on that.

If you want, we can continue the debate. It's as simple as that.

Like I said earlier, engaging you in a discussion is like beating a dead horse. It'll only end up with you spewing thoughtless ideas and insults. But I don't blame you. It is what it is.

FirstbornWds:
And what if he has scored most of those assisted goals against one or two or three teams?

What if most of those goals were accumulated against fewer teams in every participated finals. Or did you choose to forget that it's possible?