malvisguy212:
^^^ bible say answer a FOOL according to his FOLLY.

malvisguy212:
okay, I will lift aso rock for you, but first go there ,I will joined up with you , when you reach , take a picture of you and aso rock post it to nairaland, when I see it , I'll know you are there, I'll meet you there.

malvisguy212:
okay.

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(injeel and torah) ? https://www.nairaland.com/2535883/allegedly-corrupted-scripture-questions-muslims

lexiconkabir:

malvisguy212:
carnal minded man you are, muslims claimed they believe in miracle but in reality , they don't , muslims feel embarrassed to know that All the prophet performed miracle except muhammed, this is nothing but a big blow to muslims. I know you will say "the quran is a miracle" nonsense, should we say Shakespeare is a miracle ? Delude muslim.

trapQ:
GADDAFFI (former president of LIBYA)

Sent a letter to prophet TB joshua on the matters at hand.
The prophet replied that GOD said to tell him to hand over power, and the tyrant rained abuses, saying who is the prophet to tell him what to do.

He died shortly after. A rather humiliating and shameful death.

truthman2012:


But you intended to change my thread from Islamic Angels Are Wiser to discussion about satan.

I think allahh knows a little better than you or you know better than him and that is why you are condemning the Scripture he recommended to Muhammad.

rabzy01:
I like this response of yours because you are sounding more logical here than your original post.

Now that you assumed that the words "DRAGON" and "SERPENT" in Rev 12:9 are both metaphors, why not assumed also that the word "ANGEL" in the same verse is a metaphor too? That is to say that the phrase "his angels" in the verse could mean:
his host,
his army,
his helpers,
his servants or
his supporters.

Remember that satan was not referred to as an angel in Rev 12:9 but was referred to as a dragon and a serpent there.

Why should we assumed that the names satan was referred to are metaphors and at the same time assumed that the name he was not referred to is his? Why?

Since there are metaphors in the bibble, can there be metaphors in the Qur'an?

joecooper:



..... Then I think you missed the part that says " He arose"

truthman2012:


You don't compare the Bible with the quran. The Bible is from Yahweh and the quran from allahh who copied some words from the bible.

Allahh became known about 650 years after Jesus had gone. Before then the meccans knew him as one of the idols in Kaaba. Even now allahh is worshiped in islam after they have promoted to the status of their true God the same way he was worshiped when he was an idol.

Read: https://www.nairaland.com/2287893/allah-loves-pagans-hates-jews

Besides, the quran cannot be understood without the Bible as no details are given about the key prophets it stole from the Bible. Again, it is incomplete on its own without reference to hadiths.

The same Bible you want to paint black is the standard your quran manipulatively recommended for Muhammad:

Quran 10:94] - And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43). Even at Muhammad's time till today the Torah was valid for judgment, but only the people turned away from it according to Allah.

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47). The Gospel was also valid for judgment at Muhammad's time and till date.

Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e the Jews and the Christians) Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye standfast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelations that has come to you from your Lord (Quran 5:71). How could Allah say Jew and Christian should stand fast by the Law and Gospel if they have been corrupted?

Now, what is your problem with the Bible.

ifeness:


Don't take the bible literally. Yes they are reptilians who use advance technology. Some of of them mean good and others are bad who created religion and slaves who serve them.

krattoss:
Religion no go kill person oo

ifex370:
my God is everything

rabzy01:
If only that you are a little bit not lazy, you would have found out that your question has been answered by the angels themselves in 2:32 thus:

They (the angels) said, "Exalted are You (Allah); we have no knowledge except what You (Allah) have taught us. Indeed, it is You (Allah) who is the Knowing, the Wise." Al-Baqara (2:32)

basilico:
Angels advicing Allah that man will shed blood .Allah goes ahead and creates man despite their opinions.
Angels are wiser than Allah
I love this thread.
Muslims are quoting folk tales .When you do the same they dismiss you and ask for Arabic Quran evidence

truthman2012:


Muslims are carnal minded because they lack God's spirit and that is why they look at things from carnal perspective.

How many mountains did Jesus Himself cast into the sea? That should show you that the statement is figurative. It is talking about doing what is impossible to man.

joecooper:
Those WHO mocked the Name of JESUS :
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truthman2012:


Your questions summarized are:

1. Why do SOME pastors add charm to get done what they want?

2. You term Jesus whose name is the TRUTH (John 14:6) a liar due to your lack of knowledge as you said God does not answer all prayers.

Firstly, who was Jesus addressing? He was addressing the disciples who had dedicated their entire lives to God. He knew what they believed and their level of FAITH. Now tell me where any of the disciples prayed it was not answered.

It is only those who can live the kind of life lived by the disciples that are qualified for Jesus promise in those verses of the bible you cited. It has to do with the level of FAITH and DEDICATION, which those pastors who add something to God could not attain.

I tell you the truth, am a good example of Jesus answering prayers. If a Christian prayes and it is not answered, it is either the request is not the will of God for his life or his faith cannot carry his request.

Sin is a hinderance to prayers, it does matter you are a Christian. Infact the bible says God does not answer the prayer of a sinner (John 9:31)


Thoses verses have CONDITIONS attached to them to work. It is only those who can meet the conditions that it will work for.

truthman2012:


Even though you may not understand, let me say this in case there are people thinking like you.

When the Yorubas says Omoekun (lion's child), what do they mean? They are likening the child to a lion because he is very strong.

So in the same respect satan is likened to:

- Dragon because he does what the dragon does.

-Snake because it is tricky and poisonous.

-I wonder why you query satan being called devil because they are one and the same.

-Yes, satan has angels. They are the angels who supported him to rebel against God. Iblis as a jinn in islam has jinns who joined him in doing evil, is that not so?

Medicis:
You are not wise at all, because if you are, you'll not be asking me whether cherubim and seraphim church is a church of satan or not. I think you should go to them and ask them this question youself. WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF A CHERUB?

rabzy01:
If only that you are a little bit not lazy, you would have found out that your question has been answered by the angels themselves in 2:32 thus:

They (the angels) said, "Exalted are You (Allah); we have no knowledge except what You (Allah) have taught us. Indeed, it is You (Allah) who is the Knowing, the Wise." Al-Baqara (2:32)

truthman2012:


Just like you have not addressed why allahh's angels are wiser than him.

malvisguy212:
you are beating someone ,is it right for me to attack you without finding out , what causes the fight ? You pick one verse and then conclude , God is a murderer. The killing of the first born is the ten plague ,prior to the first plague God had warn Pharaoh to let the isrealite go , but he refused , hence he fall on the judgement of God.

rabzy01:
I will give you references from the Qur'an which clearly tell us that satan is in deed from among the jin.

Before I do that, I want you to please:

1- show me one, I say only one verse in the bible that says satan is not a jinn.

2 - give me one reference in the bible that says satan is or was an angel.

rabzy01:
I asked two questions. You gave one verse. The verse you quoted does not answer any of the questions. Ironically, the verse brings more confusion. No where it says satan was an angel and it did not say he is not a jinn. Lets look at the verse again:

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him". Rev. 12:9

From the verse:

1 SATAN IS A DRAGON

2 SATAN IS A SERPENT (SNAKE)

3 SATAN IS A DEVIL

4 SATAN HAS ANGELS

5 SATAN TOGETHER WITH HIS ANGELS WERE THROWN DOWN


More confusion than solution.

rabzy01:
No, I am not satisfied and I am not confused. It's you who is confused.

Now tell me, IS DRAGON a name or a creature?
IS SEPRPENT a name or creature? Indeed both are creatures just like the angels and the jinn.

Satan, devil, shaitan, iblis on the other hand are names or attributes.

Since the verse did not say satan is angel, my question to you regarding the verse REV 12:9 is: IS SATAN A DRAGON, A SNAKE OR BOTH?

One of the characteristics of the jinns is ability to metamorphose into different beigns or objects. It follows therefore that if satan is both a dragon and a snake, then he is a jinny since he was not called an angel.

Medicis:
cherub/ˈtʃɛrəb/
noun
a winged angelic being described in biblical tradition as attending on God, represented in ancient Middle Eastern art as a lion or bull with eagles' wings and a human face and regarded in traditional Christian angelology as an angel of the second highest order of the ninefold celestial hierarchy. Ezekiel 28:14-19King James Version (KJV)

14 Thou art the anointed CHERUB that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering CHERUB, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more

truthman2012:


Why should that straightforward verse confuse you?

You saw Satan having other names, is that your confusion? How many names do you give to satan in islam: Shaytan and Iblis. How many names do you have?

You are now satisfied he is an angel who has other rebellous angels with him.

joecooper:
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truthman2012:


Rev. 12:9

The great dragon was hurled
down--that ancient serpent called
the devil, or Satan, who leads the
whole world astray. He was hurled
to the earth, and his ANGELS with
him.

mvalentine:
Bro, as a muslim, you can goan die because you'll never understand anything in the bible, ka gane ko?

truthman2012:


What evidence?

That satan is a jinn that lived among angels?
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Don't tell your story, give us islamic references.