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ValentineMary:
See ur life who first called intelligent designer? read it up. And u would know who first brought God into this discussion.

i once gave him a whole lot of present evolution in action..bt of course he refused...
Any present lack of knowledge does nt imply god or an intelligent designer..
Thats scienc... always improving with new observations...nd the future of science is very bright

hopefulLandlord:
Even telling the Otemanuduno example still hasn't made him understand

willful blindness..jst wants his own beliefs when all the facts prove otherwise

otemanuduno:
Hahn, Hahn my God isn't a God of violence so it's impossible for me to kill for him. Let the bloody god of Winner01, Muafrika2, Goddys and KingEbukasblog carry on killing other tribes. Reverad the Almighty God, the Father of Yahweh, Vishnu, Odin, Jupiter, Mercury and all other small small gods is a UNIVERSAL GOD and doesn't need to be killing other tribes. And I, Otem, can't kill anyone except for SELF-DEFENCE.

is it Hitler you guys are talking about? Hitler is a Christian na. He is an Aryan Christian.

yes..thank u..exactly...
Thats the word...they dont knw abt the aryan mysticm at all...and they refused to read it...

felixomor:
Ok which of the gods or god did he believe in? Muslim, greek or which? Pls one answer, no dribbles this time.

he believed in the nazi god....shikina...#simple nazism was a religion based on deism..

hopefulLandlord:
They wish we would just take their word for it

They've always hammered this thing over and over and I've always ignored, not because its correct but because I wanted them to dig the hole to be big, very big, so you could see now that asides "book" "screengrabs" they have no proof of him being atheist

Anywhere they "think" the proof is, all it shows is his antichristian stance, it also shows that he's not in support of atheism, he killed anyone against Nazism, be it Christians Muslim Judaism and atheist, he spared no one

So basically if Otemanuduno kills many jews and Christians and atheist too, these apologists would call him atheist since he is not in support of a general religious movement

What they didn't notice is that Nazism is a religion on its own just like Otemanuduno's UFO religion

It was dishonest Christians that couldn't call him a "Christian" or "Muslim" that quickly called him atheist

This intellectual dishonesty is what these guys are defending with conjecture and guesses when in fact scholars have not been able to call him atheist, just apologists websites (screengrab of Ebuka) and a book

"" Is he a Christian? No

Is he a Muslim? No

Is he a Buddhist? No

Therefore he's atheist, his words confirm that, words he said when he also said things against atheism (but that was "wished away" ) ""

That's the logic here

They all know more than scholars and have come to their conclusion and want all and sundry to accept their own conclusion as "fact"

Its really hilarious

i dn laff sotey i dn start to cry for them...they dnt want to agree that he was vividly against atheism...
They refuse to acknowledge that nazism was the religion itself..which its set of beliefs and rules for worship was a positive christianity....a form of christianity without jews and their god as the center of christianity...
Hitler was against the normal jewish christianity yes we all knw that...bt if that makes him an atheist..then boko haram,,isis,,islamists who have killed christians automatically turn to atheists in christian view..by their definition...and christians become atheists to islamists...is that not completely wrong?

4kings:
well i dont believe in the mainstream view of 'the son','the holy spirit', the concept of grace and favour, but i believe there is a creator, in which we are all interconnected. And ancient practice(not religion) like chi energy for example confirms this.

possibly...m nt against the idea of a god controlling me...bt jst that the one presented by religion is false and man made

felixomor:
The funniest thing is that it is clearly written on the page "Hitler didnt believe in God".
But somebody saw it and said thats the "Christian God". Abeg tell me the type of 'god" he now believed in, if u say he believed, since u want to dribble like an olodo?
Mscheww!
Yeye dey smell

it was written :according to bulllock..hitler didnt believe in god....and it happened to be in between two writings abt his detestion to jewish christians..the writer(bullock) is a christian...so invariably the god he knws and wud acknowledge as god is the christian god
..ts a biography...nt hitler's direct statement...u need to grab that...
I also asked u this...
If i were a sango worshipper..and u were to write my bio..what wud u write?..aint it raphiemontella didnt believe in god?...
N if i were to be a christian
...wont it be raphie believed in god?
Because u are a christain..if it was written by an islamist dnt u fink tthe second instance wud change to raphie didnt believe in god also?....

Hitler himself used his very own mouts to say he believed in god...he also made many referrences to god almighty and his lord...(a supreme of the world bt nt the one told by jews)
Hitler was a deist who practisd nazism..
If u can grab..grab...

hopefulLandlord:
Even the link one of them gave only said there were "rumours" of him being atheist

But guess what? In that same link he gave, there's a whole subheading given to his views that opposed atheism

They keep repeating "Hitler was an atheist" creating threads upon threads to that effect, they believe that if they repeat it a huge number of times, people would believe it when in fact Hitler is not atheist

So what my smart Christian did was to take "rumour" as "fact" while wishing away the true "fact" that he was against atheism while hoping we won't visit the link and read its contents, unfortunately for him, we did

Yet he calls us dumb? He must be dumber than dumb then

exactly...i repeated times witout number...read the links..they wudnt listen..
Ignorance at its peak brother...

Eddlad:
That would still mean nothing much really, possibly the "creators" of Christianity thought a bit more.

lol...

felixomor:
At least Ignorance is still better than 'stubborn ignorance' (at work in u) which will continue to argue after its own evidence goes against him. Pathetic.

u still didnt provide where it did so..
Willful blindness

KingEbukaNaija:
Yikes ! We'll continue in the morning abeg . Have a good sleep guys

Good night...

4kings:
yep, u disagree?

yh i do...
M an atheist..i dnt believe in a big sky daddy..
That stuff tries to show origins of certain claimed heavenly beings the son..the holy spirit..angels...etc...which i have no belief in..
Unless the bible/quran/book of mormon is rewrritten truthfully..
Even at that sef...u never can conclude

naijadeyhia:
Hitler was not Religious.

Hitler was Anti-theist which is an arm of Atheism.

Anti-theist

This group regularly speaks out against religion and religious beliefs, usually by positioning themselves as “diametrically opposed to religious ideology,”

“Anti-theists view religion as ignorance and see any individual or institution associated with it as backward and socially detrimental,”. “The Anti-Theist has a clear and – in their view, superior – understanding of the limitations and danger of religions.”

Anti-theists are outspoken, devoted and – at times – confrontational about their disbelief. They believe that “obvious fallacies in religion and belief should be aggressively addressed in some form or another.

The above explains why Hitler was relentlessly brutal against Jews during the Holocaust. I think you need to research your Atheism....it is not Just as simple as disbelief in god or gods or higher powers. Its more detailed than that.


http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/15/the-six-types-of-atheists/

jst look at what u are saying...someone who publicly condemned atheism an atheist..
Read those links properly man...u'd understand that hitler preferred islam to christians...christians were kinda shallow to him...hitler didnt hate other gods..jst the christiann god....
Someone who said my feelings point me to my god..smtin like that.
Thats why i said u shud read nazism....bt u wont...until u do u cant get the picture....for smone who banned atheistic activities an atheist..mehn ur thinking sef...
For someone who's nazi germany had sets of rules for worship in churches...they dnt jst believe in the idealogy of the jewish supernatural god...
Read up deism..u need to do ur research on nazism..i keep ringing it like a bell..yet..christianity is nt the only religion..

hopefulLandlord:
Even the link one of them gave only said there were "rumours" of him being atheist

But guess what? In that same link he gave, there's a whole subheading given to his views that opposed atheism

They keep repeating "Hitler was an atheist" creating threads upon threads to that effect, they believe that if they repeat it a huge number of times, people would believe it when in fact Hitler is not atheist

So what my smart Christian did was to take "rumour" as "fact" while wishing away the true "fact" that he was against atheism while hoping we won't visit the link and read its contents, unfortunately for him, we did

Yet he calls us dumb? He must be dumber than dumb then

exactly...i repeated times witout number...read the links..they wudnt listen..
Ignorance at its peak brother...

KingEbukaNaija:
You are misconstruing that verse . Bro , ra can mean lots of things bad . It does not stick to one meaning . Its more of a context kind of interpretation .

next..
Daniel 4:10-11,20
daniels tree is so tall enoof that it is seen all over the world...how does that work on a spheroid shaped earth?

4kings:
From an esoteric(Gnostic) understanding
God is all that there ever was, is, and will be, a spirit that dwell in our body(His House).
Meaning my view of the mainstream belief of god to be a seperate being is wrong, but in reality we are already ONE with God on a level that our limited egos can never fully comprehend nor understand.

The pneumatics in the early greece, which were the highest class of spiritual humans, realize gnosis, a personal, experiential knowledge allowing them to transcend the material world. They received direct revelation of Jesus Christ, the inner truth, or divine spark of Sophia (wisdom), which i belive was what paul and some early greek philosophers were really talking about.

You probably have not heard this before and wondering why i am equating your historical(which i dont agree) Jesus with inner revelation. I'm not on weed .

oh...uve read abt thos aeon's and emanations of god..lol

KingEbukaNaija:
You are misconstruing that verse . Bro , ra can mean lots of things bad . It does not stick to one meaning . Its more of a context kind of interpretation .

bt its primary and foundational meaning is evil...fact...and i believe no one wud translate better than the original kjv guys..because in that time atheism wasnt rampant and bible was nt used as an integral weapon to atheist...my best bet is this modern translator...tryna make a bad news land softly...
Lemme bring the next tho

Eddlad:
Evidence for the soul? I don't understand.

proof that the soul exists

KingEbukaNaija:
He discussed it with raphieMontella towards the precipice of his death .

lol...

hopefulLandlord:
He was antichristian but not antigod

exactly...anti jewish christianity nt anti god

KingEbukaNaija:
this is your sauce bro . And it tastes nothing like credible . Do you realise that this source is the only one that contains these quotes ?

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

seriously u mean u dnt knw wikipedia has branches?...
Uve nt heard of wikihow before?...blood of moses...
Abeg enter am...reach ending..and see if its wikipedia or not...na wa

KingEbukaNaija:
I asked for 1941 to 1945

the last collection..
I am now as before a Catholic and will always
remain so. Adolf Hitler in 1941 to General Gerhart Engel.

I believe in God, and I am convinced that He will
not desert 67 million Germans who have worked
so hard to regain their rightful position in the
world. Statement to Ward Price.

You see, it's been our misfortune to have the
wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?(inside the third reich)
The Ten Commandments are a code of living to
which there's no refutation. These precepts
correspond to irrefragable needs of the human
soul; they're inspired by the best religious spirit,
and the Churches here support themselves on a
solid foundation. Evening 24th October 1941
.......ur quote which u brought sef is disputed on its authenticity..according to wikipedia...
The one abt christianity being invented by a sick brain
all theses i gave u
...re referrences to god...the belief in a being as the creator..smtin nt atheistic

...

KingEbukaNaija:
I asked for 1941 to 1945

okay...m coming
But he who dares to use the word "God" for such
devilish activity blasphemes against Providence
and, according to our belief, he cannot end
except in destruction. Speech before the Reichstag 4 May 1941


From the time when the Movement I consisted of
seven men, until we took over power in January
1933, the path was so miraculous that only
Providence itself with its blessing could have
made this possible... Our enemies must not
deceive themselves—in the 2,000 years of German history known to us, our people have
never been more united than today. The Lord of
the Universe has treated us so well in the past
years that we bow in gratitude to a providence
which has allowed us to be members of such a
great nation. We thank Him that we also can be entered with honor into the ever-lasting book of
German history! Speech before Reichstag 11 December 1941

May therefore God give us the strength to
continue to do our duty and with this prayer we
bow in homage before our dead heroes, before
those whom they have left behind in
bereavement, and before all the other victims of
this war. Radio address 15 March 1942

1943 I, too, am religious; that is, religious deep inside,
and I believe that Providence weighs us human
beings, and that he who is unable to pass the test
of Providence but is destroyed by it has not been
destined for greater things. Speech delivered 8 November 1943;

1944 I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but
deep down I am a pious man, and believe that
whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural
laws framed by God and never capitulates will
never be deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in
the end, receive the blessings of Providence. Speech delivered on 5 July 1944;

The bomb which was planted by Colonel Count
von Stauffenberg burst two metres to my right. It
very seriously injured a number of associates
dear to me; one of them has died. I myself am
completely uninjured except for some very small
scrapes, bruises or burns. I regard it as a confirmation of my assignment from Providence
to continue to pursue my life's goal as I have
done hitherto. Radio broadcast 20 July 1944;

1945 God the Almighty has made our nation. By
defending its existence we are defending His
work. Radio address, 30 January 1945;

KingEbukaNaija:
I asked for 1941 to 1945

okay...m coming

So far as the Evangelical Confessions are concerned we are determined to put an end to
existing divisions, which are concerned only
with the forms of organization, and to create a
single Evangelical Church for the whole Reich...
And we know that were the great German
reformer [Martin Luther] with us to-day he would rejoice to be freed from the necessity of his own
time and, like Ulrich von Hutten, his last prayer
would be not for the Churches of the separate
States: it would be of Germany that he would
think and of the Evangelical Church of Germany. Proclamation at the Parteitag at Nuremberg, 5
September 1934;
wwud an atheist try to unify the church?

Pls take a lil time to read them

While we destroyed the Centre Party, we have
not only brought thousands of priests back into
the Church, but to millions of respectable people
we have restored their faith in their religion and
in their priests. The union of the Evangelical
Church in a single Church for the whole Reich, the Concordat with the Catholic Church, these are
but milestones on the road which leads to the
establishment of a useful relation and a useful co
operation between the Reich and the two
Confessions. New Year Message 1 January 1934; from

We have experienced a miracle, something
unique, something the like of which there has
hardly been in the history of the world. God first
allowed our people to be victorious for four and
a half years, then He abased us, laid upon us a
period of shamelessness, but now after a struggle of fourteen years he has permitted us to
bring that period to a close. It is a miracle which
has been wrought upon the German people.... It
shows us that the Almighty has not deserted our
people, that He received it into favour at the
moment when it rediscovered itself. And that our people shall never again lose itself, that must be
our vow so long as we shall live and so long as
the Lord gives us the strength to carry on the
fight. Speech 19 March 1934 to the Old Guard of
the Party at Munich;(believed in a miracle #ur supernatural)

Finally, I would like to say something to those
people who keep talking to me about religion: I
am also religious, profoundly religious on the
inside, and I believe that Providence weighs us
human beings. Speech 26 March 1934....

August 2, 1934 — Hitler becomes Führer of the German Nation I know that here and there the objection has
been raised: Yes, but you have deserted
Christianity. No, it is not that we have deserted
Christianity; it is those who came before us who
deserted Christianity. We have only carried
through a clear division between politics, which have to do with terrestrial things, and religion,
which must concern itself with the celestial
sphere. There has been no interference with the
doctrine of the Confessions or with their religious
freedom, nor will there be any such interference.
On the contrary the State protects religion, though always on the one condition that religion
will not be used as a cover for political ends. There may have been a time when even parties
founded on the ecclesiastical basis were a
necessity. At that time Liberalism was opposed to
the Church, while Marxism was anti-religious. But
that time is past. National Socialism neither
opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real
Christianity. The Church's interests cannot fail to coincide with
ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of
degeneracy in the world of to-day, in our fight
against the Bolshevist culture, against an atheistic
movement, against criminality, and in our
struggle for the consciousness of a community in our national life, for the conquest of hatred and
disunion between the classes, for the conquest
of civil war and unrest, of strife and discord.
These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian
principles. Speech delivered at Koblenz 26 August 1934;

this one also....note the word celestial
cc kingebukanaija

We were convinced that the people needs and
requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken
the fight against the atheistic movement, and that
not merely with a few theoretical declarations:
we have stamped it out. Speech delivered in Berlin 24 October 1933;
cc kingebukanaija
so u knw he had all the power he already needed..its nt a matter oof lieing to be in power

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. Speech 26 April 1933 made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933; after assuming office o..he was already chancellor...kingebuka...more is cooming

KingEbukaNaija:
@hopefulLandlord . Hitler must have spoken against atheism when he was a Christian .

hitler spoke against atheism frm the conception of the nazi party till his death

KingEbukaNaija:
You are the one twisting it just to suit your claims . Hitler was an atheist . And the memorandum clearly implied he was an atheist . He did not believe in divinity in nature and that rules him out as a pantheist . He does not believe in the supernatural , that rules him out as a deist . You are now left with atheism . Go to bed bro !

i believe u didnt read my link on hitlers quote...
He believed in the supernatural...read my link on his quotes...or signify and i bring thos quotes here...u choose....
Nazism is a religion of its own...i keep sayinng this...check it up on wikipedia...
Nazism is a kinda deism which promotes positive christianity...positive christianity was the line of worship for god...he believed christianity was frm the heart and shud be shoown in good deeds etc
baba an atheist doesnt laydown and follow rules of worship of a god...any god...be it the naturelike way u wanna put it...
Atheists detest all gods....
Hitler publicly decried atheism like a lot...he shut down secular schools because they had no religious foundations...he believed religion was necessary...shut down atheistic movement and organisations in germany..
What more do u need?
Lets present pure facts..

hopefulLandlord:
Even the link one of them gave only said there were "rumours" of him being atheist

But guess what? In that same link he gave, there's a whole subheading given to his views that opposed atheism

They keep repeating "Hitler was an atheist" creating threads upon threads to that effect, they believe that if they repeat it a huge number of times, people would believe it when in fact Hitler is not atheist

So what my smart Christian did was to take "rumour" as "fact" while wishing away the true "fact" that he was against atheism while hoping we won't visit the link and read its contents, unfortunately for him, we did

Yet he calls us dumb? He must be dumber than dumb then

exactly...i repeated times witout number...read the links..they wudnt listen..
Ignorance at its peak brother...