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Kobojunkie:
I love the way you IGNORE MOST ALL MY POSTS but try to tell me instead what YOU need me to know based on what you think, and tell me there is no blindness or bias with you, ROFLMAO!!! The above is from one of my old posts on here with you. Enjoy!!

You have this unusual habit of accusing me of something you do yourself.
I provided multiple sources, so that should show you that my posts are based off of what I've learned, and not based off of what I think.

You made that post before you posted about how other groups are doing much better than native Black Americans, and this is part of the reason as to why I said your posts are inconsistent.

Kobojunkie:
Herein lies the problem. You are approaching me here assuming that I don't know there are AAs that are successful out there but I am sorry you are not a mind reader and can not go around thinking EVERY Nigerian, Somali, Ethiopian you meet, all think the same way. In your bias, however you continue, even to this point to miss out on what the message has been and I am sorry, I can not help you with that.

LOL, there is no problem and there's no bias. I never attempted to read your mind, but you should focus more on your comprehension skills, being that I never claimed that ALL Nigerians, Somalis, and Ethiopians think the same way. I even told you that an African I know acknowledged that we are successful here, but your recollections have obviously failed you. When you enter into a thread, and see your people are being generalized, what sort of message is this going to imply to you BTW, I 've never asked for your assistance, so you could've kept that thought in that brain of yours. You need to help yourself more anyone else.

Kobojunkie:
I have given you a link to the US CENSUS Bureau so you can educate yourself even more on what the message has been thus far. I have even gone ahead to help you with information from the very links you post yourself but you seem stuck on what you think that you can not see past all that.

The stats I provided had absolutely nothing to do with the US Census, or the total US black population. All you had to do was read the articles, but you couldn't even do that. The articles even mentioned native Black American household names, like Oprah and Bill Cosby, and you still believed the article included African immigrants, so you apparently have some deficiencies to work on. One more thing, I added up the total black population here and it exceeds 43 million, so you may want to sharpen your research skills as well.

Kobojunkie:
If you want to continue believing as you do, that is fine by me but do not go around thinking you CAN READ MY MIND or you have me figured out. Read my posts as is instead of trying too hard to tie us all together with the few you claim do not see AAs in the right light. When you do that, then we can have a real debate, else, you are no different from those whose minds you claim to be trying hard to change at this point.

No, I can't read your mind, but I can read your posts. You've mentioned how Africans are more successful than us, how Hispanic immigrants are doing better than us, and how the stats I displayed were just used to uplift AAs and how Africans are involved to boost our stats. The more I provided proof, the more inconsistent your posts became.
I've already stated on numerous occasions that I don't dislike Africans, and in a debate, you(Kobojunkie) at least need to know how to read.

tpia:
you noticed wrong. There are no neighborhoods specific to Africans. Africans in white neighborhoods live there because of the demographics. Someone based in a majority white area can't reasonably be expected to go search for a distant black neighborhood just because they don't want to identify with AA, as you're implying here.

You know I noticed correctly, lol. What I implied has absolutely nothing to do with what you just wrote.

tpia:
Affluent AAs can also be found in white neighborhoods. I don't see you claiming the same for them.

Maybe in an overwhelmingly white city, like Portland perhaps. Affluent AAs on the move are always searching for more affluent AA communities, so of course I'm not going to claim the same for them.

tpia:
as for Africans believing AAs don't live in nice communities- you're really lying through your teeth here, because I already pointed out the fact that Africans also live in the affluent black communities you quoted, from Maryland. Give it a rest, will you.

Give what a rest I haven't exhausted anything I've conversated with other Nigerians, Somalis and Ethiopians, and the overwhelming majority of them believed we all live in ghettos. They're totally unaware of how well we're doing in America. In regards to Maryland, your assumption that Africans live in those affluent AA communities just because you say or want them to is naive.

tpia:
where did anyone say Africans arent part of the crime statistics for AAs? You're the one trying to streamline the positive achievements of AAs and say Africans arent included. You must have a very restricted viewpoint if you're ignoring the numerous threads on Nairaland showcasing Nigerians who have been involved in criminal activity in the US.

I was trying to show Kobojunkie that we're more successful than he thinks, and the stats I displayed didn't include Africans, no offense. Sorry, I'm not concerned with your people's activities, and I came here because I saw that my people were being generalized.

tpia:
A lot of Africans live in the projects right along with AAs. These ones must be invisible to you.

The Africans I conversed with gave me the impression that they were all middle class, lol. Besides, I live in an affluent native Black American neighborhood, so the thought of traveling to the ghetto in search of poor Africans never crossed my mind. However, I am sort of curious now.

tpia:
as per low opinions, thats a mutual thing, and you know it.as per your last sentence, thats all most people are saying. You really need to preach your message to some other people here.

I've never taken Black unity seriously, and I never will.

Thankfully, I won't have to waste my time preaching. Black Americans are starting to figure it out all by themselves.

Kobojunkie:
. NO WHERE IN THE MONITOR's ARTICLE ARE YOU TOLD THAT ARTICLE REFERS ONLY TO AFRICAN AMERICANS AND NOT BLACKS FROM AFRICAN INCLUDED. CAN YOU NOT GET IT??

You should ask yourself that very same question. The article doesn't have to tell you that they're only referring to AA's, and not African immigrants. We're two different groups of people. The article would've specifically mentioned Africans immigrants and credit their hard work work, but they didn't because the article has nothing to do with Africans. We're are identified differently.

Read these quotes from the article, for instance:


"Everyone knows the 'crack to glory' story of the rappers,"

They aren't talking about Africans because drugs are a major problem in AA inner cities, and you guys resent rap music.

"Middle-class, African-American life has been invisible to mainstream America for most of the 20th century, says American University professor Leonard Steinhorn, coauthor of "By the Color of Our Skin: The Illusion of Integration and the Reality of Race." This derives largely from what he calls the sin of decades of segregation in the suburbs, the traditional home of the middle class."

AA communities are segregated, and have gone unoticed.


"He points to such consciousness-raising moments as the 2005 surprise box office success of Tyler Perry's "Diary of a Mad Black Woman," revealing to Hollywood studios the presence of a large, underserved middle-class black audience."

Given the misconceptions and generalizations Africans have about AA's, I seriously doubt that large numbers of Nigerians and other African groups would line up to see Tyler Perry's movie, which was a huge success.


"The appearance of such athletes as Tiger Woods and Serena and Venus Williams in traditionally white sports such as golf and tennis were more such moments, agrees Smokey Fontaine, chief content officer for the social-networking site, Black Planet. The biggest is of course Oprah, who represents not just affluent but powerful black America, he adds."

Tiger Woods, Serena Williams and Oprah represent the the AA community, not the African immigrant community.

Kobojunkie:
WOW!!! You don't seem to want to get it cause you seem stuck on what you want. NO WHERE IN THE MONITOR's ARTICLE ARE YOU TOLD THAT ARTICLE REFERS ONLY TO AFRICAN AMERICANS AND NOT BLACKS FROM AFRICAN INCLUDED. CAN YOU NOT GET IT??

A few days ago you told me that it was recorded that Africans are more educated and more successful than AA's. If this is true, then shouldn't it already be be understood that Africans in America have a visible middle class. Our celebrities; Oprah, Bill Cosby and Tiger Woods have absolutely nothing to do with Africans. The article clearly mentions how our middle class has gone unoticed and how our neighborhoods are segregated from others. Your belief that any mention of our middle class automatically includes Africans or other black immigrants is amusing. You're referred to as an African immigrant, or a Nigerian American.

Kobojunkie:
ARE YOU INSANE? This THREAD IS ABOUT THE WHINERS AND HENCE THE FOCUS ON THOSE WHO WHINE BEING JUSTIFIED OR NOT IN THEIR WHINING? WHAT THE FRELL IS EATING YOU?

Coming from a person who thinks "shove it or die" is an appropriate slogan, you have no right to question my sanity. I just think this thread is insulting, considering that no one has the authority to determine the validity of another person's complaint.

Kobojunkie:
DID YOU EVEN BOTHER READING FROM YOUR OWN CENSUS REPORT? ASK THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN POSTING ON HERE AND MAYBE THEY WILL PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION AS WELL. WHY does this have to be another BLIND DEBATE OF " MY PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN YOURS, BECAUSE I SAY SO, EVEN WHEN THE STATS SAY IT IS NOT SO". If you want to believe what you are saying SO HARD, then fine with me. Everyone has to fight for theirs, but when you want to deal with facts and actually deal with the real numbers, let me know. Till then, this is moot.

There is no debate. You're doing everything in your power to discredit how well we're doing here. Your insecurities are beginning to shine through.

For anyone interested:  


This article details how Affluent AA's are blossoming in the Dallas, TX area.


The Dallas Morning News

Black wealth blossoms in suburbs: D-FW ranks among top U.S. areas for well-off professionals

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     The number of black households in the metro area that earn at least $100,000 tripled during the 1990s, propelling Dallas-Fort Worth into the ranks of the nation's leading metropolitan areas for upper-income black professionals, according to a Dallas Morning News analysis.
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     Adjusted for inflation, $100,000 in 2000 is the equivalent of about $75,000 in 1990, the baseline for the analysis.
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     Among 28 metropolitan areas with at least 1 million people, and in which at least 10 percent of households are black, the Dallas-Fort Worth area has the sixth-highest percentage of black households making at least $100,000. That places the D-FW area behind established centers of black affluence such as Atlanta and Washington, D.C., and ahead of Indianapolis, Houston and Philadelphia.
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     The D-FW area also posted the fifth-biggest gain in upper-income black households during the 1990s, growing from about 5,300 to more than 16,000 households.
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     Unlike Atlanta and Washington, D.C., the affluent black population in the D-FW area is more spread out, with small, growing pockets in newer, more affluent cities and larger populations emerging in older inner-ring suburbs with larger black populations.
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     As their numbers grow here, affluent blacks are changing more than the demographics of their communities. They are making their mark in the business community. They are demanding more from their local schools. They are creating large, primarily black churches. Political power still eludes them, however, given their relatively small numbers and the lack of a concentrated geographic bloc of voters.
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     Fueling the increase in affluent blacks is a growing North Texas economy, which is attracting black professionals from other cities as well as launching black residents already in the area into higher income brackets.

Catching Up

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     Upper-income black households in Dallas grew 84 percent from the 1990 to 2000 census, but the city's growth trailed both the state and the D-FW region as a whole.
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     About half of blacks in households earning six figures moved between 1995 and 2000, according to census figures. Seventy percent moved within the D-FW area. Five percent moved from another part of Texas. The rest came from other parts of the country.
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     In many area suburbs, the number of affluent households increased significantly. But many of those increases seem dramatic because they started from such small bases in 1989, the year for which the 1990 census income data were gathered.

Rising median income

   * In more than 20 D-FW-area cities with at least 200 black households, median black household income exceeds the median income for black households nationwide.
   * In 13 local cities, the income for black households exceeds the median for all U.S. households.
   * And in six of those cities, the median household income for black households exceeds that city's overall median income.

http://www.namb.net/site/apps/nl/content3.asp?c=9qKILUOzEpH&b=1677311&ct=2536221




The amount of AA(non African immigrant) churches in the Dallas suburbs correlates with the article above.


All Nations Fellowship Church
5146 S. Country Club Rd., Garland
972-303-6511
www.anfchurch.org
About 250 members

First Baptist Church of Hamilton Park
300 Phillips St., Richardson
972-235-4235
www.fbchp.org
About 5,000 members

Greenville Avenue Church of Christ
1013 S. Greenville Ave., Richardson
972-644-2335
www.gacoc.org
About 2,500 members

Living Waters Family Worship Center
(Temporary Worship Site )
Spears Elementary School
8500 Wade Blvd., Frisco
214-387-9602
www.LWFWC.org
About 300 worshippers

The LOVE Church
(Temporary Worship Site)
Renaissance Hotel
900 E. Lookout Dr., Richardson
www.thelovechurch.com
About 300 members

North Dallas Community Bible Fellowship
(Sherman Campus)
1010 & 1020 S. Sherman St., Richardson
(Centennial Campus)
302 Centennial Blvd., Richardson
972-437-3493
www.ndcbf.org
About 4,500 members

Northeast Bible Church
4101 East Park Blvd., Suite 101, Plano
469-574-6322
www.northeastbiblechurch.org
About 200 worshippers

Shiloh Missionary Baptist Church
920 E. 14th St., Plano
972-423-6695
www.shilohbaptistchurch.org
About 2,000 worshippers

St. John Baptist Church
North Family Fellowship
2805 Market Loop, Ste. 300, Southlake
817-410-8990
www.sjbcfamily.net
About 1,000 worshippers


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/longterm/stories/062905dnwebchurchlinks.54f12199.html

Kobojunkie:
@Reston, I see this is not going to get anywhere at all as you choose to continue denying what is apparent in all those posts of yours.

What's obvious is that we're doing much better than you're willing to admit.    The information I provided shatters the fundamental beliefs you have of AA's, and that upsets you.   I'll once again post the article detailing how the the AA middle class has finally come into the spotlight.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1031/p13s01-algn.html

Kobojunkie:
Just so you know, you are proving the point being made by the @Poster here. That african americans have it all and so the WHINES we heard back during the elections are just that WHINES and unjustified.

Most of us don't whine, but the fact that you're choosing to obsess over a handful of complaints is beyond absurd.  Your energies should be directed towards your Nigerian people.   

Kobojunkie:
If you ever want to convince me, find me data that separates Africans and people of carribean origin, from the numbers of blacks in American and then gives a break down on each group. Else, you are just making noise. I happen to know that even as an African in America, I am constantly being counted as a black American/African American. I go to apply for jobs and that selection still says Black/African American. You go to apply to college, you are either international or Black/African American. From what I know, that is where some of the earnings and education data for all these comes from and if you could only understand how flawed that is for you to argue your point based on that data.

2 days ago you said it was recorded that Africans are much more successful than we are, but since you weren't able to prove that, you're now saying the stats of Africans are combined with AA stats to boost AA incomes, purchasing power and business revenues.  Given the inconsistency of your posts from the past few days, your "noise" is much more sensational than mine.

@ Kobojunkie

This article mentions the AA, or Black American middle class and how it's "INVISIBLE" and segregated.  The article also notes that 10% or 2 million African Americans earn 75,000 or more each year.  Read this in it's entirety.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1031/p13s01-algn.html


This article mentions how those same 2 million affluent AA's have a spending power of 29 billion.   They also mentioned how we like to spend a lot of money on clothes.  That's something we're known for.

http://www.mediabuyerplanner.com/2008/09/15/affluent-african-americans-wield-298b-in-spending-power/


This article atalks about Affluent African Americans in Hartford, CT.

http://www.s4.brown.edu/cen2000/othersay/090703Hartford.pdf



Read about an affluent AA community in Atlanta called Cascade Heights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascade_Heights


Check out the top 25 black neighborhoods.

http://higley1000.com/about-this-site/methodology/top-25-b

tpia:
@ reston: one of the links you posted about affluent African American communities in the US, lists maryland, which has one of the highest concentrations of Nigerian immigrants after Houston and Georgia?

Yes Maryland does have a lot of Nigerians, but that doesn't mean that they live in those specific communities listed. The total US Nigerian population hovers around a million or so, and like every other group of people, there is a considerable amount of Nigerians that aren't affluent(income wise). African and African American, or Black American suburbians live in SEGREGATED communities. The overwhelming majority of Africans believe our middle class is nonexistant, and this is why I'm usually met with so much resistance when I try to explain to Africans that we're doing much better than they realize. I live in an area in metro Atlanta where there are literally DOZENS of large middle class AA, or BA subdivisions. There aren't any Africans in these areas, and I've noticed that Africans typically live in white neighborhoods, and that's because they believe we don't live in nice communities.

tpia:
I don't know why you're acting as if you don't know Africans are routinely included when making blanket statements about black incomes and achievements in the US.

What you don't realize is that the US has already estimated the number of Ethiopians, Ghanaians, and Nigerians living in the country. Keep in mind that Africans in America reject being called African American because we have so many negative stereotypes, and they don't want to lumped in together with us. For instance, they prefer to be called Somali American or Ethiopian American. Anyway, our government is able to keep track of their respective poverty rates, graduations rates and homeownership rates. The fact that the government can do all of this, and then just become lazy and lump all of our incomes together is unbelievable. I'm sure that Africans have done nothing to boost the "black" poverty and crime rates in this nation. The belief that people seem to have about Africans boosting our incomes, or only our POSITIVE statistics is downright insulting.

tpia:
In any case, you could have also posted your message on another thread where Africans and AAs are trying to unite.

How can we unite when most you people have so many low opinions about us. Most of you constantly try to discredit our success here, and wish to believe that we're mostly poor when we're not. The bizarre thing is that most AA's are oblivious to this. I don't dislike or hate Africans, but I understand that we all have different cultures, different histories and different experiences.

OK I'm back,

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry but this has absolutely nothing to do with culture but about what the stats continue to show. It seems to me that you are sort of approaching this from a sentimental point as an AA ( which is what you claim to be) and I am sorry that is not going to work for me. It is RECORDED as FACTUAL that in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AA’s are not doing as well as Africans in AMERICA.

There must be some misunderstanding because I'm not very emotional.

Well you always have the freedom to believe whatever allows you to keep your pride intact, even if you have to fabricate. I've had a few other Africans even admit that we are doing better(no offense), so your conformation or approval is irrelevant in this matter.

Kobojunkie:
Check all the polls and you will see that even Hispanics are doing tremendously better than AA’s considering most of these are immigrants in this country still. Can we please stick to Facts and not continue to manufacture FACTS out of sentiments?.

Hispanics have higher high school dropout rates, while 86% of AA's attain their high school diploma. We have more adults with college degrees and generate higher revenues through our businesses. So what you stated, in regards to Hispanics is utterly untrue. The facts I presented in my earlier posts are indeed the truth. The problem is that you've consistently been told that we're not doing well here, so you instantly believe it. Your refusal to believe the FACTS I provided is simply outrageous and hilarious.

Check out this link in it's entirety. You can also read about our affluent communities, which are also separated from the African communities.

http://africanamericandigest.com/Statistics_About_African_Americans.html

http://africanamericandigest.com/Affluent_African_American_Communities.html

Kobojunkie:
@Tpia already pointed out to you earlier that majority of the stats that try to lift AAs as a group that is doing well in America continue to INCLUDE people of AFRICAN immigrants in those numbers and that is where we are not able to get the most accurate readings from those.

LOLOL, your belief that we need the assistance from the African immigrant community to appear more successful is not only beyond arrogant, but outright ignorant. The stats are there to prove to the naysayers that most of us are doing well here, but of course people are ridiculous enough to believe that they know more about our community than we do ourselves. Out of all of the Africans I've conversed with, you're the only one to say anything like this. You clearly feel threatened by something.

Kobojunkie:
Did you intentionally skip this part of the report on the link you posted that says

I didn't skip over anything. We're referred to as African American, black, or Black American. I figured you were already aware of this, since you seem to know everything about AA's already.

1) The article noted that over half of our buying power is concentrated in the South. Apparently a lot of AA's live down here.

2) The article mentioned how we spend money on cruise vacations and nice clothes. Now I'm not saying Africans can't dress, but buying nice and expensive clothes is something we're known for, not to mention that quite a few Africans still prefer to wear their traditional clothing. Africans are also least likely to go on cruises, when compared to traveling back to Africa.

You should ask yourself why a good portion of commercials use AA's, and even advertisements are geared towards AA's. An Asian guy in another forum was curious as to why we're used in advertising so much. It should be more obvious to you now.

Kobojunkie:
Africans are Africans. Be they from Morocco Or Egypt Or even South Africa. They are all Africans and are mostly affected by the state of government and all the crisis in Africa.

Well ok dude, I understand. The Africans I conversed with were quick to express how different their cultures are from each other. They implied how each tribe is different from the other, etc. Africa does have issues, but you're forgetting that the people in government are their countrymen too, and don't forget about the religious and ethnic tensions.

Kobojunkie:
I do focus on my people but in America, I note that I am bundled as one of the blacks in America in most cases and so what’s the fuzz?

There's no fuzz at all. It's just that the average person can easily determine the difference between a Jamaican man, a Nigerian man, and a Black Latino.

Kobojunkie:
Well, be it as it may, it still remains that Africans in America are still considered to excel more than there African American counterparts. Sure, there are indications that the AA numbers are rising but it still remains that Africans are more educated and considered more successful percentage wise then the AAs’, regardless of definition applies to success. Check the US census for more information. This is from census numbers. Now, when we consider the businesses, you do understand that the purchasing power attributed to AA’s in most researches still include Africans are members of the AA community?

Everyone culture in America believes they're doing better than AA's, but it's certainly not the truth, and that's mainly attributed to the lack of information. AA's are considered to be more successful than Africans here and abroad, and I believe it's because we were able to take advantage of the opportunities we created, while Africans failed to take advantage of the opportunities given to them by the colonial powers. In regards to your last few sentences, you seem to be implying that the US census separates our educational successes, but then combines our purchasing power and business revenues. If so, then what you just stated is an outright lie. I hope you don't have a problem with us attaining a purchasing power of 892 billion. Here in America, you're either referred to as an African immigrant or a Nigerian American, not an African American. All of our stats are separated, because we are different people.

http://www.marketingcharts.com/television/affluent-african-americans-making-impact-on-consumer-economy-3412/



One more thing, even though it doesn't matter, you're still comparing us to DIFFERENT African nationalities, unless Africa now is considered to be a borderless nation.

Kobojunkie:
Actually, if you have EVER taken time out to read my posts on here, you would note that I am just as critical of Nigerians as I am of AA’s and White trash. In my opinion, the average AA has no reason not to excel in America, as the Average African in America or the Average White in America. Hence the reason why I do not accept that I can not tell some AA who comes up with the RACE CARD reason to SHOVE IT OR DIE, regardless of how hardcore his complaint may be.

For Africa, we have our issues and we see that issue eating into the future of our kids on a daily basis but I believe for all, AAs and Africans alike (be they black Africans, Caucasian or Egyptian) America continues to offer a LEVEL playing ground for all those who want to succeed and so I do not accept the playing of the RACE CARD as a reason for not to SUCCEED in America, no matter what race or group you belong to. That excuse died a long time ago. I have even met Nigerians who play that card when questioned about there choices in America. Should I accept that excuse from a fellow Nigerian? HECK NO!!! I won’t and I certainly would not accept it from an AA who was born and raised here either.

I just think it would be better for you to focus on your own people.

Kobojunkie:
Are you serious? I should refrain from judgment? You mean if I met a black man who whines to me about how the GOVERNMENT kept him from going to school (maybe not in those exact words but it is sort of like the government is always to blame) and that all white people around him came together to make sure he did not attend college and his life take a miserable path, I should wait to get more information before I decide, based on what you posted above, to tell him to go DIE?

Well if you see it that way, then go for it!

Kobojunkie:
Here is an example I like to give. Africans who come to America continue to excel more than there African American counterparts who were born and raised in the same land. Most of these Africans experienced serious discrimination from their own governments and even families back in Africa, prior to moving to America. Some of these Africans steal away on boats or more recently were allowed the opportunity to relocate by way of the visa lottery program.
Another Example to look at is this, case of Africans who were born in Africa, seem to mirror the same as those who were born outside of America. The numbers show they tend to be more educated and more able to take advantage of opportunities available to them in America.

No, that's not true, and I say that because African Americans are continuing to excel just like people of other cultures. A considerable portion of AA's have associate and bachelor's degrees, and remember there are a plethora of ways to excel here in the US. For instance, many of us are real estate agents, real estate brokers, electricians, pc technicians, authors, magazine editors and columists, which pay very well, but don't require a college degree. Also keep in mind that AA businesses earn more than the businesses of other cultures, and we have a purchasing power of 892 billion. We wouldn't be able to purchase so much if we didn't have a strong middle class.

I also want to mention that it does little justice to compare Africans in America and AA's, mainly because you're comparing us to people of various nationalities and races, and the African immigrant population only hovers a little over 2 million. Here in America, Egyptians, Berbers, whites, and Indians from your continent are also classified as African.

Kobojunkie:
The numbers show they tend to be more educated and more able to take advantage of opportunities available to them in America.

Africans across the internet seem to echo this same sentiment, but you all fail to realize that Africans gained their independence roughly around the same time we gained our civil rights. Through your gained indenpendence, each respective African nation were given a stable economy, a strong infrastructure, control over their own natural resources and millions of dollars. You guys have had plenty of opportunities to create and maintain efficient economies, as well as generate wealth and affluence. You folks also have colleges and universities over there too.

Kobojunkie:
Now here is the question. Are you then going to tell me it is the case that African American’s are more discriminated against than Africans who happen to be in America? I have always wanted to have this question answered in all honesty.

Nope, AA's aren't discriminated against any more than other races are.

Kobojunkie:
Over the years, we have seen members of the black community get into various high offices across country, but still we have people in the black community who believe the system and the WHITES are against them. We have seen black millionaires and billionaires but NO, the whites have remained against the blacks in the minds of many in the black community. Even this election was made about race as many still held to that old belief. With Obama’s election however, I will gladly tell white Americans to ignore situations where those cards are played and basically tell anyone who brings up the race issue to SHOVE IT OR DIE. What say you?

You should do whatever uplifts your spirits, but you need to understand that you're criticizing AA's for doing something that Nigerians do themselves. I do find it peculiar that you're so preoccupied with our complaints and concerns.

Horus:
Why do you say other blacks??,we are one race of blacks and we should all be concerned about every blacks on the planet.If we are divided and not united ,we will not progress.

Sorry, there's no such thing as black solidarity. There is too much division, competition, etc. We're separated by our different experiences and history, etc.

Kobojunkie:
Wow!! You mean African Americans are doing this well in America?

Yes it's true! We're all perceived as being poor because of the constant negative imagery.

Kobojunkie:
Now I can tell all those who tell me stories of how the system is working against them and how every other white person is racists to them, to go SHOVE IT OR DIE!!!

No, I would refrain from casting judgement until you're able to obtain more info on their situation. Even though racism can't keep us from succeeding, discrimination is very real and can create some minor setbacks. Not all of us experience this sort of thing, but it can be frustrating and annoying. The issue is that we assume foreign blacks will instantly understand our frustrations because they're black too, when in fact we're completely different groups of people. Now if those individuals are CHRONIC complainers, then maybe your last few words would be appropriate.

tpia:
of course these figures include Africans in America. ie people who were born in Africa but immigrated to America.

But will you see someone admit this little fact? No.

We're all one when we're trying to pull some fast numbers on each other, but everybody knows where his family house is located after the curtain gets drawn.

No, the stats I provided only include African Americans, or Black Americans. The African immigrant population here barely exceeds 2 million, and their stats are separated from ours.

Horus:
There are today over two million Americans incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails throughout the United States. More than one-half, or one million, are black men and women. The devastating human costs of the mass incarceration of one out of every 35 individuals within black America are beyond imagination.

Why are you concerned about American incarceration rates It would make more sense for you to focus on your rates in the UK. It's amazing how you guys just sit around and try to find some negative stats on other blacks to make yourselves feel better.

Eezzy,  through Africa's gained independence from their colonial powers, the Africans themselves have had similar opportunities as well.  African nations were given a stable economy, a strong infrastructure, control over their own natural resources and millions of dollars.  Africans gained their sovereignty roughly around the same time we gained our civil rights, and I find it amazing how this is always overlooked.  

Eezzy, Nigerians prefer to act and sing too, otherwise your Nollywood wouldn't be in existence.  Most of us are succeeding here in America, but instead of doing genuine research, you would rather generalize.  The majority of us aren't whiners because we wouldn't have gained our civil rights if we were.   The lack of knowledge is to blame for your opinion.

I'm an African American, and I'd like to say that people of all races complain from time to time, but no one has the authority to determine whether someone else's complaint is legit or not.

I noticed some members here posted a few stats on African Americans, so I hope the stats I provided below will prove to you that we are doing much better than you realize.



1) Black Americans have a buying power of 892 billion dollars.

2) Black Americans give more than 11 billion dollars to charity each year.

3) More than 1 of every 4 Black Americans works in management, professional, and related occupations.

4) Over 4 million Black American households earn 50,000 dollars or more.

5) Over 2 million Black American households earn 75,000 dollars or more.

6) Over one million Black American households earn 100,000 or more.

7) Over one million Black Americans hold Phd's, Medical and Law Degrees.

Black American businesses generate over 90 billion in revenues.

9) Over 16 million Black Americans live in the suburbs.

10) 75% of Black Americans are middle class, working class citizens.

11) There are two black American billionaires; Oprah Winfrey and Robert L. Johnson.

12) If Black Americans had their own country they would have the 16th largest economy in the world based on gross domestic product(GDP).

13) Click below to read about a few of the many Affluent Black American communities across the US.

http://www.africanamericandigest.com/Affluent,

14) Click below to read about our Black American CEO's and Politicians.

http://www.blackvoices.com/black-history-month/black-ceos

Sources:
http://www.africanamericandigest.com/
http://www.marketingcharts.com/television/aff,