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Truthseeker10:
You claimed that it was not possible for a congregation not to have an interpreter.

Explain 1 Corinthians 14:28 below.

New International Version
If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

Read from verses 26

RightChannel:
Read from verses 26


26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.

Truthseeker10:
is there a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues? If yes, explain.

Praying in tongues is a personal, spirit led prayer to God that builds up the individual praying, whereas speaking in tongues is a manifestation of the Spirit for the edification of others, requiring interpretation to benefit the church.

MaxInDHouse:
You have no excuse there is nothing like praying in tongues and apostle Paul has condemned it because it doesn't add up!

You still haven't answer my question, I asked as at the time Paul layed his hands upon them, what was he doing? Is he praying, singing or dancing?

Truthseeker10:
You can answer this as well.

is there a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues? If yes, explain.

Read from verses 26


26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.

Truthseeker10:
You can answer this as well.

is there a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues? If yes, explain.

Too much questiona, do it one after the other

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible did not say, let's leave that as something not revealed but as for what is written no one prayed in tongue that is why Paul was correcting people who thought presumptuously saying jargons could be approved after all they can say it's praying and praying is part of worship in Christianity!

As at the time he layed his hand on them, he was praying after then they received Holy Spirit. Peter and John in Acts 8:17 did the same

Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

What you need to ask your elders in Jws is that why not giving room for Holy Spirit to operate in your Kingdom Hall and your lives?

Truthseeker10:
is there a difference between speaking in tongues and praying in tongues? If yes, explain.

You asked for this, we are not done with it before asking another question!

Truthseeker10:
Explain 1 Corinthians 14:28 below.

New International Version
If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

Truthseeker10:
Explain 1 Corinthians 14:28 below.

New International Version
If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

Are we done with the speaking in tongues before jumping here?

Truthseeker10:
Why can't you do that since it is from the same holy spirit?

Did you understand this very verse?

1 Corinthians 12:10
to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

Truthseeker10:
Do you mean that you have all the gifts listed below?

1 Corinthians 12:10
to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

You asked is there any gift that you don't have here?

And I said YES

I don't have miraculous gift to wake up the dead as some Apostles of Christ did and some are doing!

Truthseeker10:
In the verse below that you quoted, is there any gift that you don't have here?

1 Corinthians 12:10
to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

Yes

We should give room for Holy Spirit to operate in our lives!

Truthseeker10:
Do you have the gift of interpreting or you have the gift of tongues? Which one sir?

I have both!

Truthseeker10:
So if I pray in tongues in your presence, you would be able to interprete all what I have said?

Yes because I have the gift!

Truthseeker10:
So everyone with holy spirit is a tongue interpreter?

Read this verse again, I've sent it to you earlier!

1 Corinthians 12:10
to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

Truthseeker10:
So how would I know if your unknown tongues in prayer is genuine?

If you have Holy Spirit, you'll know

But if you don't give Holy Spirit chance to operate in your kingdom hall (so far if you are one of them) where you are gathered, you won't know all these!

Holy Spirit is meant for everyone who seek for him

Truthseeker10:
are you talking to me? How does this answer connect to the verse that I quoted?

Which verse did you quoted?

If you need explanation to the verse you are asking explanation for, I will send you a link to get all you needed!

Truthseeker10:
So what if there was no interpreter, would praying in tongues still be conducted? Would one be obligated to believe that a person actually speaks in tongues if one does not understand what the person is saying?

And it is not possible not to see anyone without the gift of interpretation of tongues among the congregation!

1 Corinthians 12:10
to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

Truthseeker10:
Below is 1 Corinthians 14:16

New International Version
16. Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying?

In the bolded above, what was to be said "Amen" to?

What Paul did is exactly the samething Peter and John did in Acts 8:17

Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible didn't say he was praying all what he needs to do is LAY HIS HAND ON THEM!
Please stop adding to God's word speak differs from pray that's why Paul is telling them that they need to know the purpose of praying because when others don't understand what you are saying then it is futile and they are justified if they choose not to say "amen"😟

At the moment when he layed his hands on them, what is Apostle Paul doing? Maybe he was singing right?

Truthseeker10:
is Apostle paul not asking you that if you were to pray in an unknown tongue, that others would not say Amen to your prayers because they don't understand?

If someone is praying in an unknown language which the congregations didn't understand, there should be an interpreter that understand the congregational's language to interpret for them!

Truthseeker10:
is Apostle paul not asking you that if you were to pray in an unknown tongue, that others would not say Amen to your prayers because they don't understand?

Did you mean speaking in tongues?

Truthseeker10:
Explain 1 Corinthians 14:16, 17 below.

New International Version
16. Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying?

17.You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified

Is 1 Corinthians 14:16, 17 part of what I've quoted here?

MaxInDHouse:
Paul laid his hand and they SPOKE not pray in tongues!

Paul that layed his hands on them, is he singing if not praying at that moment?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy praying in tongues is nonsense that is what Paul is saying and no believer did that in the first century except those who are presumptuous so Paul is using that letter to correct the misconception!

Reread Paul's letter again but this time meditate on what he said not just quoting simply because you want to make it appear like he approved it.

Paul that layed his hands on people, after that the Holy sprit came upon them and they began to speak in tongues, prophesied will called the Spirit of God

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Is that the meaning you gave to Act 19:6 inside your hall?

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For turning Bible upside down?

MaxInDHouse:
Just quote where they PRAY in tongue.
Thank you!

RightChannel:
Is laying hand as Paul did here and the Holy spirit came upon them has nothing to do with praying?

Acts 19:6
And when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.

1 Corinthians 14:2
For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:14-15
14. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
15. So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.

Are you still confused?? 🤔

MaxInDHouse:
Is speaking the same as praying?

Is laying hand as Paul did here and the Holy spirit came upon them has nothing to do with praying?

Acts 19:6
And when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.

1 Corinthians 14:2
For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:14-15
14. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
15. So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.

MaxInDHouse:
There is nowhere in the Bible that people pray in tongues stop deceiving yourself because of your love for false religions claiming Christians!

Acts 19:6
And when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.


Is this verse and many others I gave you previously missing inside your own Bible, I thought you said to be a Christian?

MaxInDHouse:
This shows you expected members of JW to know everything in the Bible.
Why such high expectations? Matthew 5:14-16
Please quote the words as found written in your copy of the Bible for everyone to see that first century disciples of Christ were actually PRAYING in tongues!

It is now first century disciples of Christ praying in tongues, before it was present biblical backing for this praying in tongues thing? Read all the verses attached, the answer to your question is there

You will later ask where Abraham, Isaac etc are praying in tongues, is it not you!

boxypane:
I thought I was the only one seeing. A very lazy striker. No hustling spirit.

Very very lazy striker