₦airaland Forum

Dedetwo:
Anybody who wrote the bolded crap should have IQ in his\her stream of thought. Nigeria is indeed basket of fools. At least, Ojukwu worked with consultative body of the elders from eastern region before the proclamation of Biafra. Elder's group did Gowon before assuming power as the head of state and which body did Gowon when announced that Nigeria has been divided into 12 states? Such action was termed a major constitutional change. Only foolish Colonel such as Gowon will wake up in the morning and proclaim Nigeria has been divided into 12 states when a section of the country did not recognize his usurpation of the position of Head of State.

Who did Nzeogwu consult before he went round murdering elected leaders of the country in cold blood?

Shooting them dead in their homes?

You do realise that that was what precipitated the whole crisis?

Dedetwo:
The bolded showed you are truly ill-educated. You are a typical Nigerian who makes the most noise on a subject matter he/she knows little about.

You cannot substitute educated debate with ad hominem attacks. If you cannot address that statement I made with a relevant countervailing argument, kindly get lost.

wirinet:
What do you mean by Eastern Region did not recognize Gowon as head of state? Who was the eastern region that did not recognise Gowon as head of State? If the eastern region recognised General Ironsi as head of State, how come they did not recognise Gowon as head of State? You should have said Lt.Col Ojukwu did not recognise Gowon as his commander in chief. So who did the east recognise as the head of State? -Ojukwu? In all successful coups the leader automatically becomes the head of state. Sergeants have become head of state after a successful could. Any officer that refuses to recognise the new head of state is mandated to retire.

Who appointed the 4 Regional governors? The former head of state of course. What happens if Gowon removes and reappoint the 4 Regional governors. Except you tell me that the 4 Regional governors are independent of the command structure of the army and they are already independent.

The January 1966 coup and July counter coup really messed things up. The aftermath and the war itself was just political struggles between senior officers of the military. The civilians including politicians were held hostage by the military. Even the so called Aburi Accord was power sharing agreement between the military. The politicians were practically left out.

Thanks for this response. I was also about to tell him that it was Ojukwu, the military governor, who refused to recognise Gowon, not the Eastern region. The conflict partly arose from this personality clash between Ojukwu and Gowon, in which Ojukwu did not believe Gowon should be head of state.

We often forget that these were just young guys in their early 30s, not sufficiently mature to take on the huge leadership responsibilities they assumed.

Nowenuse:
Why are you crying over the loss of the Igbos? You are not an Igbo person, neither are you from the Middlebelt (where the bulk of the Nigerian soldiers who fought that war were from)...
So what is your pain or stress in all of this?

People like TY Danjuma have come out in shame to denounce their roles in the civil war and here you are bragging about the same war.

Are you sure you are sane?

You are a nasty, stupid, illiterate vagabond to purport to know where I am from or not from, while having absolutely no clue who I am.

Are you a clairvoyant?

Bush village dunce with mosquito brain. If you cannot debate an issue without getting personal with ad hominem attacks and claiming to know what you don't know, then GET LOST FROM HERE.

Tobrasky:
The Igbo hating bastard is here again

Oh lawd...here we go again..

Dude, you must really suffer from deep insecurity and inferiority complex to think that any criticism of an ''Igbo'' governor's acts must arise from a non-Igbo who must have a hatred of Igbos.

What a sick, dysfunctional mind you have.

You don't even know who I am or where I am from!

Do you realise we have millions of detribalized Nigerians in this country?

How would you know when you've spent all your life in Igboland mixing only with tribalistic Igbos like yourself?

YOU HAVE A LOW IQ and very low exposure. That is why you reason like a mosquito brain.

Pusyiter:
Is not a question of being a racist
Did he mention the truth?

What ''truth''? How can you wake up and stereotype whole groups of people?

Lugard wasn't even well educated. Probably just secondary school.

Looks like cheap stuff from China, similar to that thing built by Okorocha in Owerri.

gidgiddy:
Ojukwu seceded because Gowon failed to implement the Aburi agreement they both signed, not because of the pogrom

That's an even worse reason to secede.

I don't even know why Gowon agreed to meet Ojukwu in Aburi for anything.

He was the military ruler of Nigeria. What he said was LAW, under the terms of military rule.

It was just Gowon being his normal gentleman self.

He had no reason to meet Ojukwu, his subordinate, to discuss anything.

As soon as he created those 12 states, Ojukwu should have backed down and returned to his state house in Enugu to continue his duties like other military governors, not looking to secede and fight war with an army of 3,000 soldiers armed with toy guns and cutlasses.

Rubbish.

Samson0599:
Old fool...I marvel at ur senselessness and stupidity, your twaddling is gravely overwhelming.... We are talking of the reality on ground you are giving me few scenarios. If I knew you are this daft I wouldn't have quote you in the first place. Your well beloved government has just ordered for 400 exotic cars abroad and vehemently rejected the Nigerian brands from Innoson motors. This is same government always talking about domesticating our own products.

How is that your concern? Are you a dictator that will tell govt officials what to do or not do in every situation?

Must everything the govt does be to your liking?

Has INNOSON not been receiving numerous orders for his vehicles from govts all over the land?

So because of INNOSON no govt official must buy any foreign made cars again?

YOU, do you buy only locally made goods in your life?

We all know the answer to that - a big fat NO.

As you point your finger, 4 fingers point back at your hypocritical, holier-than-thou self.

myobjective:
Most Nigerians are one-way traffic, too stupid and emotional make a rational decision. Most of the anti-Buhari crowd are those pro-Jonathan supporter that will not let go of what happened 5 years ago.

We can all agree that the Buhari regime is the worst in Nigeria history but their reasons for criticizing him was not because of his shortcomings but because of the fact that he defeated clueless Jonathan at the pole. They see any negative policies against is government as a game not minding that a ban on a permanent visa to the United States is a ploy to stop permanent immigration to the state which will most likely affect the middle income and educated struggling class since the politicians and their cronies wouldn't be looking at settling in the USA anytime soon.

The pertaining question these fools need to ask is where will the over $20billion remittance come from if Nigerians are shot out from accessing and working in the world's largest economy. Most of the remittance coming into Nigeria is one of the reasons why southern Nigeria is way ahead of northern Nigeria in development. In fact, a permanent visa ban on Nigeria is a slap on southern Nigerians who are most likely going to travel out in search of greener pasture

Bro, I said on one thread that Trump's ban was directed at the very SOUTHERNERS, especially Igbos, who settle en masse in America.

How many Hausa Fulani travel to America or abroad? Just a tiny insignificant handful.

Yet these moro.n.s worship Trump, despite his hatred for them.

It's truly astonishing.

7lives:
I remembered posting it somewhere on this forum that Trump is a white supremacist, probably wearing a boxer short made from Hitler's swastikas.
Most of them don't know Jack about the history of black people in America, some of them will probably see a Malcolm X as a nuisance.
Guy abeg ignore them jor.

Do you know that these dumb Nigerian youths who worship Trump are unaware that he sleeps with a copy of Hitler's Mein Kampf at his bedside?

Trump's own biographer recorded this.

I bet these dullards have never even heard of that book.

Do they read or research anything?

Blackblunt:
Thunder fire you for the mention,useless animal!

The anger and hate of the ban will finish you!!!The ban remains for ever,develop your country,goat,you haven't seen anything.See your own mother opening her useless smelly 'thing' for street urchins!!!! Son of a bitch!!!

Your mother wakes up every morning to f.u.ck the street dogs in your stinking slum, and the result was a mongrel called Blackblunt, who has now ''graduated'' to licking white racists' assholes. I guess you're making progress.

Randy100:
You are an idiot and a special idiot at that. I just have to dignify you a little with this response.

I'm an idiot because I told you the truth, slaveboy?

Go and approach any of Trump's resorts and see how quickly they throw out your black ass.

Slave-minded, self-hating dunce worshiping a racist.

PicLtd:
Just as you would love buhari and Gowon if they raped your mother.

Err.. no... Buhari and Gowon are not sexual assaulters like Trump, who himself admitted to ''grabbing women by the pussy''.

You don't know he said that because you are an air head dullard with a retired brain.

Bolacarpainter:
Dejumo Lewis is one veteran actor I have so much respect for

Yep.....When people like Dejumo Lewis talk, you listen.

This is Kabiyesi talking, afterall.

But I think the Nollywood name is pretty much here to stay, as people seem to be ok with it in general.

LegendHero:
If you try to sit down and understand these self-hating guys, you will understand that they don’t like Trump because of true love BUT because they believe in the ideology of “An enemy of my enemy is my friend”.

All these Trump love started with the removal of Jonathan which they believed was orchestrated by the democrat and Obama. Later someone promised them Trump will give them Biafra and they celebrated openly when he won in 2016 with a public parade.

If you ask them why they like Trump and how it affects them personally, they don’t have a reason than to say he is developing America. It’s because the hate they nurture is more than their inherent dignity.

You can’t correct these set of people, they are like zombies. You can’t also pray for them because they are beyond redemption.

Just sit back, relax, and laugh at their stupidity.

Honestly they're pathetic. These are the people that Trump said he does not want in America because they would refuse to ''return to their huts in Nigeria''.

How can you support someone who despises you and thinks you are a primitive hut dweller?

Samson0599:
Bro your patriotism for Nigeria no be here.... well I was more patriotic than this when I was still in the University..... From the way you talk , you must either be born with a silver spoon or you are part of the government,hence you have never tasted the harsh realities this hopeless country has meted to it's citizens ...My wish would have been for all the whole countries of the continents to ban Nigeria from their country so that we go get sense by force and our politicians will have no choice than to fix the country,fix our healthcare ,fix our schools, fix the infrastructures and so on. Again Mr patriotism,can you tell me one thing the common man enjoy in the country as a citizen of the country,none if must tell you , ordinary basic amenities we are being denied and you are shouting patriotism, patriotism my foot...a country where you have to pay before getting job or you must know a high ranking politician.,a country where it's citizens are treated as slaves, let me not talk much. Good morning

Abeg get lost, LAZY FOOL. All those startups in Yaba that are receiving millions of dollars in investor funding from overseas are being established by your mates and your juniors who have never stepped foot out of Nigeria, and have no connections to any politicians.

INNOSON, the world's first and biggest black owned vehicle manufacturer, was started here in Nigeria by a guy who started by trading in spare parts, and can barely speak English.

There is a girl who learnt how to bake fancy cakes with unusual ingredients for free online, and today, has a thriving business in Lagos that earns her nothing less than 5,000 dollars every month. Small girl of 22 yrs.

There are Nigerians on Upwork and Fiverr raking in thousands of dollars a month providing basic admin services to people around the world.

There are Nigerians who go online and learn Forex trading for free, and today, are making money - dollars - in their pyjamas at home.

When I was your age, we had no phones. No internet. No Google. No email. No Whatsapp. Yet we hustled and hustled in the sun. To do business you had to enter Molue and travel to meet your business partner. Nothing like phone. So you will reach there and he's not there, so you go back in your Molue. That was daily life for us.

We were at the mercy of armed robbers back then. They were everywhere, and you couldn't step out comfortably after 7pm. By 10pm the roads were virtually deserted. Yet we never hated Nigeria.

Food? In my day there was no Indomie. No starch. No spaghetti. No wheat. No poundo. No Shoprite or malls. Rice was for the rich. Eaten only on Sundays.

If you entered a buka your only choices were eba or amala. Or you go hungry. Meat was so expensive that you were lucky to have more than one piece of meat in your plate.

Today you can start an entire business on your smartphone, and earn huge amounts of dollars without stepping out of your house. The cities are generally safe now. People party and club all night and don't worry about robbers disturbing their peace. All this, yet you hate Nigeria with a passion, and moan all day, all night.

As far as I'm concerned, this generation of Nigerian youths are, with a few exceptions, the most useless in our history as a nation.

Don't go and use your brains and be creative/productive, you hear?

Sit there blaming your fathers for your uselessness. Rubbish.

Randy100:
Useless CNN, always obsess with Trump. They are always talking about how bad Trump is but can't say any good thing on what he has done. Nigeria and the lifeless one should have themselves to blame for the visa ban. Trump till 2024 till CNN get brain.

Brainless dunce, Trump won't even allow a black like you anywhere near him. He refused to rent his numerous flats to black people, and was taken to court for it and had to pay millions of dollars in fines. That is how much he hates YOU, slaveboy. You love somebody who considers you subhuman. You are a disgrace to Africa and to the black world.

donb06:
Sorry we are not demonising Him..... He's clearly one....
At least we were told Buhari is a man off integrity.....do u know what that means?? He keeps to his words.... He is really keeping to his words he said way back 2003.... To implement Sharia in all states of the federation...and all the violent things in said

I understand your point.... But I just can't defend the indefensible

How is he implementing sharia?

Just talking rubbish like fools.

EBUBS:
Mugu... Keep looking for mistakes when you're a bunch of mistake...

Bro which kind mistake be that? How did his finger reach to i and L and e?

EBUBS:
This man tiled my entire village in a space of the years... Who does that... Guess he's a super governor

Wow...never knew you could tile a village.

DMerciful:
You are brandishing beer parlour gossips! Zik supported the call for declaration of Biafra.

He NEVER supported any ''call for declaration of Biafra''. He acted as a diplomatic envoy for Igbos during the war, out of loyalty to his people, seeking international assistance to prevent Igbo annihilation.

When it became fruitless a year later, he told Ojukwu to end the war. Ojukwu refused, and Zik switched allegiance to the Federal Govt, and
continued his diplomatic efforts to end the conflict. Zik was a true hero of the Igbo people.

DMerciful:
No wonder you are taking this position, completely out of ignorance! There was a meeting of all the leaders of the groups that made up the eastern region including the political leaders, religious leaders, judicial leaders, academic leaders, military leaders. Remember we were operating regional governments but Ironsi only replaced the premiers by military governors but all other institutions were regionally operated as it were in 1963!

They were all greedy elite thieves with eyes on the oil.

They knew there was no ''threat'' of Nigerian forces coming down to kill all Igbos after the pogrom, like Ojukwu falsely claimed. They supported him in his propaganda and lies. They were corrupt elements, not elected representatives of Igbos, since it was a military dictatorship in power at the time.

The few Igbo leaders with conscience who warned Ojukwu against secession, like Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe (Zik of Africa) of blessed memory, and Brigadier Hilary Njoku, were ignored and sidelined, and called 'efulefu' (lost people).

The result?

2 million dead Igbos.

^^See updated response.

DMerciful:
What led to Igbo problems is just envy, nothing more. Civilians shouldn't be held accountable for actions of military men who owe them no allegiance. It was the actions of Awolowo and Akintola that trigger the coupists in the first place; they were planning to install Awolowo.
You said Ironsi did not execute Nzeogwu, did the Nigerian military not give Nzeogwu a national burial under Gowon? Inspite of killing Northern elders and carrying the first coup?
Why did Nigeria give him a national burial? Cant you see the irony? You accused Igbos of not doing anything to Nzeogwu, a man Nigeria celebrated nationally when he died!
This is to tell you they weren't angry with Nzeogwu because his actions gave them the excuse they needed to deal with Igbos in line with the ideological hatred of Igbos by Amadu Bello!

Why did the Igbo elite/intelligentsia not appeal to Ironsi to try the coup plotters led by Nzeogwu? Leaders from the other regions did.

It was the lack of justice for the slain leaders that led to the massacre of Igbos in the north by the northern masses, not ''envy'', you NARCISSIST.
Gowon'a actions regarding Nzeogwu speak to his role as a gentleman officer and a stickler for protocol, rather than any tacit approval of the wanton slaughter of elected Nigerian leaders by Nzeogwu and his men.

Area4Area:
Who are the "'you guys" you were referring to?
Most of you feel anyone against your idea of Biafra now means that person is not Igbo.

What did YOU fight for because my late father fought on the Biafran side, did you see the war?
Northern leaders were killed in cold blood and you expected some hugs and kisses from the northerners?

You want Biafra today from the one Nigeria Igbo leaders helped in creating. You want Biafra today, why not in 1945, pre independence, 1963, 1966, why 1967? Was it because Nigerians especially northerners have learnt how to deal with the Igbos that they decided to opt out? Nonsense

Bro, it was the discovery of oil in large quantities in the Niger Delta in the early 1960s that led to the rise of Igbo secessionist sentiment. It is why they always include the Niger Delta region, which is non-Igbo, in their 'Biafra' maps. If they truly wanted ''self determination'' as an innocent aspiration, they would simply draw a map that was just Igboland, plus maybe a tiny land corridor leading to the sea for international trade. But no.. They include the entire delta region in 'Biafra'. It's all about oil.

DMerciful:
You are educated so you should understand how the military works. Nzeogwu, Ironsi, Ifeajuna,and the yoruba officers in Nzeogwu's team do not answer to Igbo civilians or Yoruba civilians. They were military men with no mandate because they were never voted for. There was no referendum or election in Igboland were these people were elected as representatives. It's like punishing the North for the sins of Abacha who has no mandate from the North. If you're finding a way to blame the Igbos for the actions of coupist and dictators then you have no honor or integrity. I wonder how a person who know how military
dictatorship work will say Igbo civilians will tell Igbo coupists and dictator what to do. Did Abacha not dethrone the Saudana of Sokoto? Stop talking like a child!

Did they TRY?

Was it not Yorubas and Hausas that were appealing to the same 'military dictator' Ironsi, to apprehend Nzeogwu and co and try them for murder?

Why did Igbo elders and leaders keep quiet?

Or you think other Nigerians didn't notice that the Igbo elite were silent?

Stop taking your countrymen for fools. That will lead to the end of your problems.

DMerciful:
Which Igbo leaders? Do you think if Okpara was killed only by Northern coupist in the military,
the Igbo civilians would start killing Northerners in their midst? That's preposterous! Igbos would never do that. Igbos have been in Nigeria since 1914 just to start from there yet have never killed Nigerians in their midst.

Igbos killed Nigerians in their midst. They killed the Prime Minister, Tafawa Balewa, plus Akintola, the leader of the western region, plus Ahmadu Bello, the Sardauna of Sokoto, leader of the North. Plus Brigadier Maimalari and others.

Who asked you to go and kill leaders of other regions in cold blood?

Why did Igbos and Igbo elders not command Ironsi to bring the perpertrators of such heinous murders to justice? It was Yorubas and Hausas that pled with him for 7 months, to his deafening silence.

Because YOU do not ''worship your leaders'' does not mean others don't ''worship'' theirs, inugwo? Umu anuofia.

It was simply Igbo arrogance and narcissism, and feeling they were better or superior to other Nigerians that led to the whole debacle. Now you know better.

DMerciful:
If Hausa officers kill Igbo leaders( Igbos do not have leaders they worship), Igbos will not go killing Hausa civilians in Igboland. They will target the officers. Have you wondered why Northerners kill Easterners even till now if there is a comic cartoon of Mohd in Denmark? That's their way! They kill with very little or no provocation from their victims. Show me one incident where Igbos started killing other Nigerians in their midst

All this is hypothetical rubbish. Igbo leaders have never been targeted for slaughter by people from other regions, plus with no repercussions to the murderers, so YOU DON'T KNOW how they would react if it occurred.

DMerciful:
Ojukwu received approval for seccession from the Eastern assembly. It was by no means unilateral. Pls read books and not gossips

What ''Eastern Assembly''?

Are you aware we are talking of a period of military rule?

What assembly?

DMerciful:
Amadu Bello, Balewa, Akintola and Okotie Eboh was killed by Nzeogwu and his gangs including
Yoruba officers, and they were not elected so cannot be said to have carried the mandate of the generality of Igbos. So what concerns Igbos with the actions of military men?
During the pogrom, they retaliated against Igbo military officers, why kill thousands of civilians who were not in the army? Gowon started the war but know the Biafra will come to pass!

You don't dictate to a people how to react after you murder their leaders and refuse to bring the perpetrators to justice!

That you expect them to act 'rationally' after such a grievous injustice and disruption of their world, just shows the deep narcissism of many Igbos.

If a small group of Hausa barbers in Onitsha woke up one day and slaughtered all the Igbo leaders, including the Obi of Onitsha with machine guns in cold blood, and were allowed to walk free for 7 months by the Hausa ruler of the country, would Onitsha residents target only Hausa barbers, or would they target Hausas?

femolii:
Propaganda.

But even propagandists have names nahh?

Have a record of some sort one may refer to, to give them some semblance of credibility.

This does not even rise to the level of propaganda.

This is just childish, amateur rubbish.