malvisguy212:
Jesus is the fullness of God,God dwell in the flash to have a personal relationship with his creatures,fullfiled his promise he gave to us, adam sin and lost the relationship he had with God, however, God is merciful and loving, he decided to reconcile us back to himself.

This is the question no Muslim have been able to answer;

The quran say God change the face of Jesus to judas and the Jews killed judas instead of Jesus. In other word, Allah created a false religion with his own hand and waited for 600 years before sending muhammed to say "they crucified him not" ALL THE JEW THAT BELIEVE JESUS WAS KILLED BEFORE THE COMING OF MUHAMMED , WHO GONNA TAKE THE BLAME FOR THERE UNBELIEF? ALLAH OR SATAN? No doubt Allah is the same as devil, you guys misinterpreted the holiness of God.

Muhammed is like the ethiopian eunuch in Acts chapter 8, he was reading the bible without understanding until the holy spirit told Philip to go and guide him, your cannal mind can't interpret the true nature of God.

lastmessenger:

With God all things are possible. Another you need to understand is that Jesus was not created. Jesus has always been there and we are told that through Him( Christ ) everything that was made was made.
Jesus Christ a part of the Godhead took the form of a man and died for the sins of the whole.when he was on earth he was in connection with the father( enjoyed fellowship with him) but during the sacrifice He has to die like a man and that is why He reacted and cried like a man. He felt forsaken and even before He died He actually asked for the cup to be taken from Him if it is possible( still showing his human nature)

lastmessenger:

Jesus was dying on the cross as a man. Here God the father was sacrificing him for the sins of the whole world. He has turned his back on Christ. The union between the father and the son is no longer there and here Jesus felt forsaken( he was talking like a man).

lastmessenger:

Notice when he said until all is accomplished. Actually all have been accomplished the day Christ died and that is why he said on the cross it is finished.The requirement of the law was fulfilled on the cross by Jesus himself. A new and better law is here established by Jesus Christ and the law is simple.
Love The Lord thy God with all your heart and all your might
The. Second is love thy neighbour as you love yourself.

lastmessenger:

No it is not unfair in anyway. Like I sad earlier God has His timing.
Jesus never said the ruling of the Old Testament should be followed eventhough he lived under the ruling of the Old Testament. He established a completely different rules better than what was obtainable in the Old Testament.

Firmjudge:
Sameera025, Check your PM...!!

lastmessenger:

The Godhead comprises of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The father was reveale to them in the Old Testament.
Yes there were not totally forgiven as shown in the fact that they continued to offer sacrifice every year for the forgiveness of sins. The animal sacrifice offered a temporary cleansing but then Christ came and offered the final offering which is once and for all.
Yes they they did not go to heaven. The men who lived a righteous life were confined in Abraham's bosom.

lastmessenger:

God has a timing and when the time came the son was sent to redeem Nankind. In the Old Testament God was revealed to man mostly as God the father then Christ came( the son) and right now is the dispensation of the Holy Spirit.
In the Old Testament they people of Israel worshipped the God that was revealed to them but they truth remains that they were not perfect to go heaven. For the bible says " without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin" so the blood of Christ was shed and forgiveness were granted to all people who accepted Christ a their Lord and savior.

Firmjudge:


sameera025, i have never seen such decurom as you displayed here i want to earn your religion in a manner like this and iwill have and love e us email eachother because of my busy schedule starting from tomro.
you can turn it down if its not ok for you.

Firmjudge:

NO, but here is your answer.

In the light of the question about Jesus existance, here is a bible qout from the bible
Apostle John {Yohanna}
John (Yohanna)1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John (Yohanna)1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John (Yohanna)1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John (Yohanna)1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD MADE.
The bible simply infer that JESUS has being in existance right from time.
iwill answer your next question.

lastmessenger:

David and Moses spoke about Christ who would come. Abraham did not speak about Christ but the even in his life pointed to Christ eg when God asked him to sacrifice Isaac.
Noah, Joseph and even Jacob did not talk about Christ but the truth is that these men still needed to be saved through the sacrifice. They were not totally redeemed until the Christ was sacrificed.

Rich4god:
I still continue to say, even though islam dont support terrorism, the actions of muslims world wide makes pple believe that muslims support terrorism...
Look at how muslims are protesting against the charlie hebdo cover page burning churches as if its the church that published it *lack of tolerance by these set of pple*...

How come there were no such massive rally condeming the killings....

Am not supporting charlie hebdo using the prophet in its magazine, but I believe, they did that to show that they were not intimitated by the attack + sm partisan politics behind the sane... But that doesnt gv the muslims the go ahead to destroy pples properties in the name of protest...
I knw, if not cos of boko haram menance, the north would have joined in the rally and we all knw who will bear the grunt... The southerners ofcos...

Alot need to be done to educate muslims on the issues of the quran.

lastmessenger:

Please I was not referring to you. I actually was writing to the silly guy that wrote that rubbish.

Firmjudge:



Thank you for your reply i have studied what you sent.

If AT timrdhi Dr SHAFAAT SAYS ABBAS WAS A SMALL BOY below is another SOURCE, why and how did he get to infer it is not authentic yet At-Tirmidhi has keept the narration.
BTW belowis from a diff Narrator

I will take your responces but in studying islam this is the website i use to read a hadith from.
www.sunnah.com
and this is what i have found again.

Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)
Reference
: Sunan an-Nasa'i 4018
In-book reference
: Book 37, Hadith 53
: Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4023

Abu Umamah bin Sahl and 'Abdullah bin 'Amir bin Rabi'ah said:

"We were with 'Uthman when he was under siege and we could hear what was said from Al-Balat. 'Uthman came in one day, then he came out, and said: 'They are threatening to kill me.' We said: 'Allah will suffice you against them.' He said: 'Why would they kill me? I heard the Messenger of Allah [SAW] say: It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim except in one of three cases: A man who reverts to Kufr after becoming Muslim,[/b] or commits adultery after being married, or one who kills a soul unlawfully. By Allah, I did not commit adultery during Jahiliyyah or in Islam, I never wished to follow any other religion since Allah guided me, and I have never killed anyone, so why do they want to kill me?'"

Please like i have said i just want to know if it is acceptable in islam because seeing some countries practice it till date baffles me.

Note i took this thing out of a muslim website to avoid being labelled a bigot trying to spoil islam
except maybe you have an answer for me.


Please clear up this or me.
I appreciate what you are doing but i see people will soon spoil this place and it will then loss it meaning.

http://sunnah.com/nasai/37

lastmessenger:

The idea of Islamising Nigeria is a very stupid idea that is being fed to gullible people. Op You did no try at all.

lastmessenger:
when man erred from the command not to eat the fruit of the knowledge good and evil, man died a spiritual death even though he was still physically alive. now a sacrifice was needed to bring back man to that point where he can enjoy the same fellowship he had with God in the garden of EDEN. who will qualify for this sacrifice must be a sinless. nobody or creature on earth was sinless therefore God himself have to send his son(Christ) who was there during the creation of all things in the form of a man to die for the sins of the whole world. now the command is simple for us Christians, a way has been carved out by God himself for us to reach him and the way is Jesus christ. if you worship christ, you are worshiping God cos they are the same in the Godhead.
A better physical analogy is the present democratic system of Government where there is the executive, the legislature and the judiciary. Here you dont only obey the executive but both the legislatures and the judiciary.the three arms of government is equal even though they have different functions, therefore Christ is the Godhead that was sacrificed for the sins of the whole world, the Holy spirit and the power of God that performs the physical wonders of God while the Father is the Godhead which issues the command.
Another thing you have to understand is that when Christ was on earth, sometime he related to God as higher being. the simple reason is because then he is relating with God as a human. at other time he relates with God as an equal knowing fully that he was once in the realm of the glory sharing equality with God in the Godhead. But now he died, he has risen and has gone back to where he shared equality with the father God, therefore for us to have access to the Godhead( the union), it must have to be through Christ. if you worship Christ, you are automatically worshiping the father and even the holy spirit for they are all equal and share the same glory.

malvisguy212:
They but wish that ye should reject
Faith, as they do, and thus be on the
same footing (as they): But take not
friends from their ranks until they
flee in the way of God (From what is
forbidden). BUT IF THEY TURN
RENEGADE, SEIZED THEM AND SLAY
THEM wherever ye find them ; and
(in any case) take no friends or
helpers from their ranks; - Except
those who join a group between
whom and you there is a treaty (of
peace), or those who approach you
with hearts restraining them from
fighting you as well as fighting their
own people. If God had pleased, He
could have given them power over
you, and they would have fought you:
Therefore if they withdraw from you
but fight you not, and (instead) send
you (Guarantees of) peace, then God
Hath opened no way for you (to war
against them). Surah.4:89-90. Y. Ali

9jaforlife:
sameera025 I commend your efforts of educating the ill informed people about this blessed religion. Personally I don't believe that they are sincere about their "ignorance", like Empiree was trying to explain in his post, they (at least some of them) know exactly what they're doing. This is apparent in the manner in which they hurl insults at the Prophet (peace be on him) and call Muslims unjustifiable names while quoting mutilated verses of the quran rather than come forth to ask questions with open minds. Some will even call Islam a bad religion because of a bad experience that they had with a single Muslim, while disregarding acts of kindness that they might have received from other Muslims; yet such people will not call Christianity a bad religion even when they have encountered uglier experiences with scores of Christians.

However, you and AgentOfAllah have been exemplary in the way you handled this thread. Based on my favourite Edmund Burke quote which AgentOfAllah referred to in one of his posts- "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". It's better to enlighten the truly ignorant ones by furnishing them with valid information to counter the worldwide diffused lies, rather than watch and allow those who hide behind religion to perpetrate evil to win! This brings me to the topic of the 'real culprits'.

The bad picture in which Islam has been painted is caused by many factors including lack of education in some regions, but we often forget the action of the West. When people compile long lists of Muslim terrorists, claiming wrongly that it's because of teachings that they received through Islam, they never ask how these terror groups came about in the first place, and how they gained prominence across the globe. Hilary Clinton has gone public on how America birthed AlQaeda in order to fight the Soviet Union (it's on YouTube). During the Cold War, in the clash between America's Capitalism and Soviet's Communism, America funded and armed Islamic Jihadists to establish dominance, forgetting that it might have deadly consequences for them and the world in future. This is linked to claims that Osama was a longtime ally of America's CIA where he and his Afghan Arab Fighters received arms, before that alliance went sour; what Robin Cook (a former foreign Secretary in the UK) referred to as "a monumental miscalculation by Western security agencies". You can click or cut and paste this link to get a detailed gist: http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881 and/or http://thediplomat.com/2014/09/how-the-us-made-isis-a-threat/#disqus_thread

When the West aid these "Islamic Militants" for their selfish interests of gai ning dominance, whether amongst themselves or in the oil rich Middle East, it's PURELY political/economic; NOTHING to do with converting people to Islam. Sadly, such deadly empowerments naturally boomerang as it becomes easy for these terrorists to take advantage of the powers that has been handed to them. Unfortunately the trend is dangerously extending to new regions in the world as seen in the emergence of Boko Haram. The religion card is often played because people easily fall for it. If we all belonged to the same faith, world leaders would still have used other reasons to divide and rule, whether it's race or ethnicity. Haven't the 'superior' whites done it to blacks? Hasn't it happened many times between Hausas/Igbos/Yorubas in Nigeria? Or between the Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda?

The earlier we all realize the truth of this matter, the better it is for us all.

Empiree:
You seemed to have sent me a msg. I didn't see any unfortunately.

lastmessenger:

First Christ is not just a man, he is the same with his father. The union between the father, the son( Christ) and the Holy Spirit is a mysterious union one which no one can explain in full terms but one thing is sure Christ said I and my father, we are one.
The God he is referring to is his father, and the reason why we must go through Christ to get to the father is because of the fallen nature of man. Only in Christ are we made perfect( here God impacts his own righteousness)whereby we can have access to to God.
A simple earthly analogy is that you cannot walk to the government house and go straight to the governors office. Somebody must introduce you to the governor.
Simply put,we worship God through Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth and the life

Firmjudge:
Sameera025 salaam,
I have being following your thread keenly and i discovered how you answered ajibam question by using this qoute from At-Tirmidhi hadeth.
::::::
(I added the hadeth numbers below to show you i know what am saying.)
"Do not be people without minds of your own,
saying that if others treat you well you will treat
them well, and that if they do wrong you will do
wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong
(even) if they do evil." (Al-Tirmidhi)
[Al-Tirmidhi #1325]

Now fast forward to Rich4God question on Killing apostate you only qouted the quran, i went to my library and i was able to get this same hadeth from the above book you qouted refuting what you have said that it is not allowed forgetting that hadeths are the deeds and sayings of Mohammed. (Reference number included.)
Ahmad ibn ‘Abdah al-Dabbi al-Basri related to us: ‘Abd al- Wahhab al- Thaqafi related to us: Ayyub related to us from ‘Ikrimah that ‘Ali burned some people who abandoned Islam. This reached Ibn ‘Abbas and he said: I would have
killed them in accordance with the word of the Messenger of God:
‘Whoever changed his religion kill him’. I would not have burnt them in view of the word of the Messenger of God: ‘Do not punish with the punishment of God.’ This reached
‘Ali and he said: Ibn ‘Abbas has spoken the truth” (Tirmidhi 1378) A-IV)


Now my question is do you affirm this or not, if not what is your take on the fact that this is coming from the same source you once qouted in answering Ajibam question.
Please this is not to pull a long debate or discourage what you are trying to do here which i fully endorse but just drawing your attention to this kind of standard.
Thank you.

lastmessenger:

Showing men the way to God. He said I am the way, the truth and the life, for no man Can come to the father except by me. This is not a religion. It is open for everybody wherever you are anytime and anywhere. Even if a prostitute is standing on the road side waiting for men, there and then if she accepts Christ, she will be saved.

ebamma:
some hardwork u are doing here,but my Pakistani muslim friends are presently rioting near the French consulate in Islamabad over the new charlie hebdo cartoon,
and there is a facebook page with a Je suis Kouachi tag, praising the brothers who committed the Paris murders with over 20,000 likes,
guess who this 'likers' are?,
Islam needs rebranding

lastmessenger:

I am not an athiest but I have always told my friends that I can marry anybody not minding her religion. When Christ was on earth, he did not establish a religion nor did he condemn any religion. this is why i believe it is wrong to judge someone based on his religion. Anybody who has love for a fellow human in her heart is acceptable by me and I don't care about her religion

lastmessenger:

Ok Allah is different from the God of the Christians. The fact that Muslim women is not allowed to marry a Christians is the reason why the divide and animosity will not end anytime soon. Until we see ourselves as humans first before our respective religion, the world may not know peace.

Rich4god:
@sameera025, agentofAllah, empiree and co... Hope you guys are seeing what is going on in Niger, Turkey and other muslim countries... In as much as charlie hebdo went over the edge to use Mohammed on their front cover... But that doesnt warrant all these protest and destruction of properties as seen in Niger republic. When will muslims organize a massive rally against BH, IS, Al qaeda and their likes. These are the kind of action that makes pple feel and believe that islam is a violent religion and supports terrorism...

lastmessenger:

Good response. Do you believe the Christians and Muslims are worshipping the same God?
Final question, can you marry a christain and will your family allow it?