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Offtopic rant: Formal education is not important because of the "degree". It is important because it educates you. Yes I know we all think now-a-days education is worthless, but besides anything else, your college performance "atleast" tells how sincere you were doing a task which you you knew is important. I don't care what degree someone has when I take interviews, all that matters if they have the needed skills. But if someone has a poor score, it does reflects on how 'sincere' they have been. "Hard work" is a skill in itself. Besides, college/school teaches a lot of soft/social skills which IMHO are more important, and a lot harder to learn elsewhere.

Also, I think most people find it worthless because 'they' are not able to relate how it will help later and NOT because what is taught is useless. If you disagree with me, please ask yourself this question a few years later. Or look back at what you were taught a few years back.

Now back to topic: It all depends on an individual and on what s/he wants in life. Before dropping, a sensible person would have made a plan of what to do next, thinking about it later is sure sign of foolishness. What were the reasons s/he dropped for? lack of interest? more interest in something else? no interest in learning anything? laziness? incompetency? bigger goals? financial contraints? wanted to do something else? or just because he didnt wanted to do that? _file_the_blank_?

Being a college dropout or not is not a good way to classify people. What matters is what a person's goals/aims are. College may or may not fit in the plans. Another thing which matters is how much effort the person wants to put to reach the goals, and how much effort he is actually able to put in.

Just my 2 cents. By the way, our Seun is a dropout. And I can say a 'successful' dropout :-)

I was interested in knowing average Nigerian pay because there is nothing stopping Indian companies from outsourcing their work to other countries, if the difference in cost is attractive enough.

Can you give a rough estimate of what average salary do Nigerian developers get. What is the average pay of a web developer working .Net/PHP? what about C++ developers? For people with how many years of experience?

I didn't meant it to turn into a bidding battle. I guess it all depends upon personal choice based on facts, investment and returns.

Ofcourse, if local market can handle the request at competitive prices, it should be preffered. Nothing works better than two people discussing the problem sitting in the same room. Language and same cultural background may also help to some extent, I dont know how much.

I agree with the "don't bring them here. just pay for the service". As for needing a agent, I think a better word is a "manager". Someone who manages the hiring, overlooks the work and ensures prompt and quality delivery of end product. Most established players won't even need to hire as they already have a buffer of people ready to work on new projects. You just pay for what you get done, without worrying about all the hassles. And its cheaper in the end.

As for currency conversions, I am an Indian in India and talked in US$ so that we have a "common ground". I wont understand if you talk in Nairas and you wont understand if I told you rates in Indian Rupees. For international deals, either US$ or anyone one of the the currency used by either player can be used for contracts. People hired are ofcourse paid in local currency.

And, if you are interested in exploring more the option of working with an Indian organization on this, I work in a similar organization and we can talk about business (the nature of work you want get done, the rates, timeline, contracts etc...). If you prefer talking about it in private rather than on the forum, we can exchange mail IDs.

I am an Indian software developer but I don't really know the answer to your question. An average web-developer (php or .net) with 2-3 years experience earns around US$ 250-600 per month (pay varies from company to company, most are on lower side of this scale). C++ developers are costlier, with a good developer with 3 years experience possibly earning upto US$ 500-1000 per month.

Nigeria is not very high on "to visit" countries list people here have in mind. So they will expect good compensation if they are to work there.

by-the-way, what is the average pay of Nigerian developers, is it cheaper to hire Nigerians than it is to hire Indians? (You know why I am asking this ;-) (further offshoring?)

AngelBaby, I am surprised that you haven't made the call yet. Do your part... NOW.

Maybe if more honest nigerians start showing up... image will change

I cant really think of anything concrete... but its just that Nigerians (AFAIK) arnt famous for anything else online. As more honest online businesses start showing up, their image will become like US/India... a mix of good and bad guys.

Here are my 2 cents on this...

You still love this guy but he apparently is not worth all your love.

Tell him that you are glad that he is alive... give him one last kiss... one last hug... and one last slap... and bid him goodbye.

(The guy has a character problem, today its Moni, rest assured tomorrow it will be someone else too. Moni isnt getting a deal you need to be jealous of. Just be glad that you came to know about it soon enough and walk on.)

"I'd bet with my life that that poor little boy was not waiting for 50 people to help, he was waiting for one person, one person to do something, anything to save him. Just one. But no one came."

The fate of mankind is doomed not because of the [b]million [/b]evil-doers who do bad, but because of the [b]few [/b]good people who do not do good.

So promise yourself that next time YOU get an opportunity to do something good, you WILL use it. No matter how small a thing it is, maybe as small as offering a seat to an old person in a crowded bus/train (I can't believe how many people who WANT to do this, don't do it because they feel SHY of doing it.).

Instead of blaming others, let US make this world a better place to live in. If you can't do that, you have NO RIGHT to blame that reporter or anyone in that 50+ people crowd.


Sachin Garg [India]
http://www.sachingarg.com

by the way, if you think that its someelse's job to step ahead and start the petitioning process, what makes YOU any different from any of those 50+ people? (Instead of pondering over that dead kid, ponder over yourself)